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RE: The God pill
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This the way that Atheists can make anything unprovable if applied to anything.

This standard is why so many Skeptics are just silly. Claiming lack of evidence yet becoming so skeptical that nothing can ever convince them.
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RE: The God pill
Luke 4:12 "Do not test The Lord your God".

When you demand evidence for the existence of God you are placing yourself as judge and jury with God on trial.

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RE: The God pill
Plenty of Christian as well as Muslim and Buddhist mystics have found overwhelming evidence of the existence of a higher being.

Only because a primitive bushman is unable to understand the concept and existence of a modern city, a skyscraper or a plane - that does not mean that those things don't exist.

The methodology is just different. What if I were to tell him that the proof comes after strong prayer, meditation or contemplation?

Heck - in the future advanced technology may actually prove the existence of Spirit, a divine voice, life after death and even God, but that may be thousands or million of years away. And technology is frail - a couple generations down the line that same species may have already lost the tech and again cannot prove anything.
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RE: The God pill
(07-12-2019 03:52 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
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(06-30-2019 04:45 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Still - even the Spanish Inquisition saw that Teresa of Avila was a saint despite her saying that reincarnation is real.

Is there a source for this? I've never heard of it and can't find any mention of it.

She mentioned it a few times, but the church downplays it since obviously the concept is viewed as heresy.

https://www.amazon.com/Teresa-Avila-Book...1590305736

But she was visited by the Inquisition because of it, though as I mentioned - even those stern clergymen saw that she was a saint. She also mentioned out-of-body travel and other things that many mystics talk about.

My guess is that the Inquisitors simply forgave her for going against the church dogma, since she also had not trouble adhering to the church hierarchy and was clearly a very believing person.

I suspect that you mis-remembered something. Teresa of Avila entered the Carmelite Monastery of the Incarnation in 1535. I doubt very much that she believed in reincarnation, which is not a Christian belief or found in the bible. Your memory may have confused Incarnation, where she resided, with reincarnation from some prior reading.

https://www.carmelitedcj.org/carmel/sain...a-of-avila
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Here's my theory. God is self evident, which means that to understand God is to know that He exists. Not only can self evident things be known purely by understanding them, but they also don't produce independent evidence outside of their own existence.

If God wants people to believe that He's real, He doesn't want that belief to be based on evidence outside of Himself, because He wants the belief to be indisputable and real. He wants you to know.

So the only way to know if there's a god is to think about the idea. If you don't reach the conclusion that He's self evident and therefore indisputably real, then either you don't have a sufficient explanation, or you do but you don't fully understand it, or you do but you're in denial.

And if you do conclude that it's real, then either you've got a false explanation that doesn't actually explain God, or you do and so now you know that God is real.

Whether God exists or not is dependent only on whether He exists or not. You either get it or you don't. And maybe there is no god (but there is), but if there is (which there is) then the only way to have evidence is to access God's self evidence by fully understanding what God supposedly (actually) is. And if you ask, He'll kindly help you to understand. That's assuming that He exists (which He does).

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Quote:Here's my theory.

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Yes my theory, because I'm trying to figure things out. Tomorrow I may have another theory. How am I supposed to reach the truth without thinking?

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RE: The God pill
Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Think less, but better.

«Spring brings cherry blossoms to comfort you, the summer stars, the harvest moon in fall, and the powdered snow in winter. All of these things, and the promise of them, is what makes sake taste so good. If the taste is bad, it comes from you.»

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Read what older, smarter men have written. Take advice on what to read from men who have gotten good results.

Most of us have conditioned ourselves to ignore advice because society has delivered reams and reams of it that send us in the wrong direction, but trying to do this by yourself is like a deaf man playing marco polo. The first step is to humble yourself, not just before God but before men closer to God than yourself.

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RE: The God pill
(07-12-2019 09:30 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(07-12-2019 03:52 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(07-11-2019 08:43 PM)iop890 Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 04:45 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Still - even the Spanish Inquisition saw that Teresa of Avila was a saint despite her saying that reincarnation is real.

Is there a source for this? I've never heard of it and can't find any mention of it.

She mentioned it a few times, but the church downplays it since obviously the concept is viewed as heresy.

https://www.amazon.com/Teresa-Avila-Book...1590305736

But she was visited by the Inquisition because of it, though as I mentioned - even those stern clergymen saw that she was a saint. She also mentioned out-of-body travel and other things that many mystics talk about.

My guess is that the Inquisitors simply forgave her for going against the church dogma, since she also had not trouble adhering to the church hierarchy and was clearly a very believing person.

I suspect that you mis-remembered something. Teresa of Avila entered the Carmelite Monastery of the Incarnation in 1535. I doubt very much that she believed in reincarnation, which is not a Christian belief or found in the bible. Your memory may have confused Incarnation, where she resided, with reincarnation from some prior reading.

https://www.carmelitedcj.org/carmel/sain...a-of-avila

Nope - it has nothing to do with what she read of course. She alluded to having lives before and she mentioned out-of-body travel. This is the difference to mystics - they have their own experiences apart from the official path. Quite a few Franciscans also report the very same things.

There was a real reason why the Inquisition visited her - it wasn't just a courtesy visit.

Buddhist and Hindu thinking of reincarnation is dogma. It's a certain kind of belief that in the way portrayed may not be true. When one of their saints says: "Reincarnation does not work the way you say it - you are sometimes born a beggar and then a prince and then a farmer next time. Also you are never reborn 40 times as a Dalai Lama, because that would not give you new experiences." Then you have again a mystic butting heads with the current dogma of their religion.

Either way - don't want to deviate on the topic too much. Check out her writing - she left an autobiography, though I think that some of the works have been edited.

Ultimately the Inquisition did not mind her deviating comments, probably brushing it off as unimportant relative to the light coming from her and her deference to the church's hierarchy. That is also one of the things that saved St. Francis who also got criticized by the church.
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(07-13-2019 04:49 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Read what older, smarter men have written. Take advice on what to read from men who have gotten good results.

Most of us have conditioned ourselves to ignore advice because society has delivered reams and reams of it that send us in the wrong direction, but trying to do this by yourself is like a deaf man playing marco polo. The first step is to humble yourself, not just before God but before men closer to God than yourself.

I don't quote the bible or what others have written. That doesn't mean I don't listen to others. I do, and I also think a lot. I do both.

Most of these discussion I find boring, because it's just people quoting things at each other. I'd rather express things in my own words.

The fact that I express things in my own way and come up with ideas and theories of my own means that I'm thinking about the things that I read and watch. Processing things is necessary. I never said this is the ultimate truth, I'm just saying where I'm currently at. No one lives inside my head except me and God, so only we know what I mean when I say "here's my theory".

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(07-13-2019 04:08 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  Yes my theory, because I'm trying to figure things out. Tomorrow I may have another theory. How am I supposed to reach the truth without thinking?


Repentance means "to change your mind about God".

Pray and ask God for the gift of repentance. It can only come from Him.

One can come up with as many theories as they please, but the concept of Truth only makes sense within a Christian worldview and with the Christian God existing. This is why atheists posit the flying spaghetti monster. Firstly because atheism is absurd, and secondly because you need an omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent personal being for Truth to make sense.
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(07-13-2019 04:08 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  Yes my theory, because I'm trying to figure things out. Tomorrow I may have another theory. How am I supposed to reach the truth without thinking?


Repentance means "to change your mind about God".

Pray and ask God for the gift of repentance. It can only come from Him.

One can come up with as many theories as they please, but the concept of Truth only makes sense within a Christian worldview and with the Christian God existing. This is why atheists posit the flying spaghetti monster. Firstly because atheism is absurd, and secondly because you need an omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent personal being for Truth to make sense.

I do, I ask for understanding all the time. In the meantime all I can do is think and try to understand and process what I currently have as best as I can, hence my current understanding, which will probably keep changing.

People have been having these discussions for hundreds of years. They quote the bible at each other and form 1,000 denominations based on their theories. I'm not looking to form my own religion or truth, I'm just going through my own process as well as conferring with the man Himself rather than getting involved in all of that. I don't even want to call this a religion.

By the way instead of focusing on the phrase "here's my theory" (as if I meant "I know everything"), how about analyzing what I said. Is God self evident? I think what I said makes sense, what do you think?

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(07-13-2019 04:08 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  Yes my theory, because I'm trying to figure things out. Tomorrow I may have another theory. How am I supposed to reach the truth without thinking?

By reading the bible. That is its purpose: to instruct men as to the ways of God and to lead them closer to God.
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(07-13-2019 10:01 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(07-13-2019 04:08 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  Yes my theory, because I'm trying to figure things out. Tomorrow I may have another theory. How am I supposed to reach the truth without thinking?

By reading the bible. That is its purpose: to instruct men as to the ways of God and to lead them closer to God.

I can't read the bible. Too long, too complicated, it's too much. Plenty of other people have read it and know it inside out, so I'd rather get the cliffs notes from them.

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(07-13-2019 04:08 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  Yes my theory, because I'm trying to figure things out. Tomorrow I may have another theory. How am I supposed to reach the truth without thinking?

The only thing you need to figure out is your faith, not the workings of God. You are operating from a position of self-righteousness, that through personal research, you will understand God from an intellectual or metaphysical point of view, instead of following church authority about what they have concluded God is. You are not your own pope. You are not designed to figure out God above 2,000 years of tradition simply from reading internet articles. You need a spiritual guide (a priest or supremely graced teacher) to guide you through this, and you must submit to what his teachings of the Lord are.

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(07-13-2019 09:13 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  By the way instead of focusing on the phrase "here's my theory" (as if I meant "I know everything"), how about analyzing what I said.

Because if you do not accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you are not saved and all that your theories do is place you on the path to hell. There is no easier way to say it than that. By relying upon your own "theories" you are ignoring the word of God, which He has granted to you, and you are engaging in unbridled vanity. In fact, by not submitting to the one true God, you are making yourself your own god.

We, as Christian men, are holding you accountable to save you from yourself, because He will ultimately hold you accountable for this sin of vanity.
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(07-13-2019 10:06 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  
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(07-13-2019 04:08 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  Yes my theory, because I'm trying to figure things out. Tomorrow I may have another theory. How am I supposed to reach the truth without thinking?

By reading the bible. That is its purpose: to instruct men as to the ways of God and to lead them closer to God.

I can't read the bible. Too long, too complicated, it's too much. Plenty of other people have read it and know it inside out, so I'd rather get the cliffs notes from them.

Now we can add laziness to the list of your systemic sins, as well as vanity. I am not trying to be harsh, just telling you the reality of the situation.

There are plenty of instructional tools out there that allow you to get through the entire bible in a year or so by simply reading a few passages a day. It is a small price to pay to get to know the Lord of the Universe. Or, as a first step, simply select one of the four Gospels (1 of 66 books in the bible) and just continue reading it until you fully understand it (researching things that you do not understand as you go through it).

If this many Christian men are telling you that what you are doing is a bad idea, then it is almost certainly a bad idea. You need to adopt some humility in your life. BTW: that is one of the chief purposes of fellowship in church, i.e., to have godly men hold you accountable in your life.
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My biggest pet peeve is being misunderstood, and right now I'm getting a big dose of it. If I continue with this conversation I'll just get more annoyed. I'll leave it there.

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(07-13-2019 10:33 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  My biggest pet peeve is being misunderstood, and right now I'm getting a big dose of it. If I continue with this conversation I'll just get more annoyed. I'll leave it there.

Of course this is so, because you lack humility! You're trying to figure everything out, and then you get "annoyed" when we don't see the wisdom or understanding in your "theory." Your problem is not one of understanding, but of being humble, first before God, and also forum elders who you're refusing to listen to.

The hard lesson you need is this: your theories are trash. Your self-righteousness is trash. You think you are coming to God, but you're going further away from him. You're on a New Age path where you try to invent a personal belief system that is most suiting to you and your pride and your intellect. Throw it all away for the sake of your soul! And the day you can read this admonition without feeling "annoyed" or embarassed or humiliated means that are getting closer. If you can't look in the mirror right now and say "I know absolutely nothing," you are far away from the path.

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Pride really is the deadliest of the seven sins. It took me a long time to get to the point where I realized that I really didn't know better. I struggled with the Catholic teachings on birth control and more broadly Humanae Vitae for quite a while until I figured out that they're not rules - Christianity is not about rules. It's about love. The Magisterium, Scriptures, saints, and Church all exist to help us better ourselves and get closer to God so that we may be saved in his Love rather than damned for eternity. Avoiding premarital sex increases your self worth and allows you to love more deeply the woman who comes along for you. And if you don't love her enough to accept a child, why have sex? You don't love her enough to accept that gift from her.

The bible is pretty short, especially the gospel itself. You could read the entire New Testament in a week if you spent a few hours a day on it, easily. I just laugh now when I hear people claim they are "spiritual but not religious" or say things like "I believe some parts of the bible but like, obviously not all of it".

The problem is when you've accepted the Church and then continue to fall into weakness and sin. The struggle never ends but we must follow the example of Christ in that suffering brings perfection.

Wish me grace brothers, and I will for you. We all need it.
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(07-13-2019 10:33 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  My biggest pet peeve is being misunderstood, and right now I'm getting a big dose of it. If I continue with this conversation I'll just get more annoyed. I'll leave it there.

We understand you perfectly. This was the central point of your stated thesis, which is quite plainly wrong:

(07-12-2019 05:56 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  If God wants people to believe that He's real, He doesn't want that belief to be based on evidence outside of Himself, because He wants the belief to be indisputable and real.

Knowing the nature of men, God placed plenty of "evidence outside of Himself" on the Earth: the perfection of nature; the unified work of the Holy Scripture; the learned elders; the body and the existence of the church itself; just to name a few. Your vanity is not allowing you to see that your stated theory is just plain wrong. Regardless of how it occurs, your belief in Him can be indisputable and real.

I pray that one day in the future, you can come back to this thread as a mature Christian, and re-read what you wrote here today -- and can laugh at it. And I say that in love. I am not in any way mocking you. Many of us have all traveled this same path. The important thing is that, at the end of your travels, you reach the right destination.
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...and look both ways before crossing the street in the meanwhile.

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By far the best and "easiest" way to come to know God is by child like faith and obedience.

Like a young kid believes in Father Christmas. The child doesn't know anything, or have the reasoning capacity to to come up with theories, or desire to twist reality to accommodate their own situation. You see that happen later.

The child just wants him to be real with all his heart because he recognizes him as good while he himself knows he can be bad, so he tries to be good as much as possible.

If I could go back and tell my child self one thing it would be something that stops me from trying to figure out this world with my own reasoning. I have wasted a lot of time contemplating this world and all the things wrong with it, and how that effects me, but it was mostly a waste of time. I should have trusted more in The Bible and done what I knew deep down was right rather than trying to rationalize some path to it.

The Bible says the path and gate to Truth is narrow while the path to Hell is wide.

Ones own theories are the wide path most travelled. The narrow path is very specific, and it is what us Christians are talking about in this thread.

Mat 7:13 "Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it."
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