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(01-27-2020 10:51 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  To me it seems we should be taking Hungary and Polands' lead.

Christianity must come back into the Public Sphere. Our Countries, Local Governments, Leaders, Organizations, High School football teams all need to be openly placed under the Kingship of Jesus Christ.

No more time to worry about the unbelievers feeling uncomfortable. Put prayer back in School. Can we close shopping on Sundays, at least in the morning so people can go to Church.

We need leaders who put their knee down to Christ, not who speak vaguely of God like a freemason does.

The Hungary-Poland model is pretty empty, to be honest. Essentially, it involves using similar 'nationalist' tropes and policies to those that were popular in inter-war Europe.

The problem with this model is that the conception of individual rights and freedoms is weak, and the rule of law tends to be eroded by populism. This basic injustice at the heart of the system makes it fissile, and prone to subversion and/or collapse.

Plus, the results in terms of concrete changes tend to be quite modest. The birth rate in Hungary is 1.45, while in Poland it is just 1.32. This does not suggest any great cultural renewal in the making, for all the 'identitarian' rhetoric and symbolic legislation.

The big challenge for Christianity – at least in twenty-first century Europe – will be to make itself relevant again from a policy perspective. This can only happen via an organic, bottom-up spiritual renewal: God has to actually matter once again to the average person in the street in at least a minimally profound way. Right now, that is very difficult to envisage.
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RE: The God pill
(01-27-2020 04:12 PM)Serie A Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 10:51 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  To me it seems we should be taking Hungary and Polands' lead.

Christianity must come back into the Public Sphere. Our Countries, Local Governments, Leaders, Organizations, High School football teams all need to be openly placed under the Kingship of Jesus Christ.

No more time to worry about the unbelievers feeling uncomfortable. Put prayer back in School. Can we close shopping on Sundays, at least in the morning so people can go to Church.

We need leaders who put their knee down to Christ, not who speak vaguely of God like a freemason does.

The Hungary-Poland model is pretty empty, to be honest. Essentially, it involves using similar 'nationalist' tropes and policies to those that were popular in inter-war Europe.

The problem with this model is that the conception of individual rights and freedoms is weak, and the rule of law tends to be eroded by populism.

This sounds perfect.
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(01-27-2020 04:12 PM)Serie A Wrote:  The problem with this model is that the conception of individual rights and freedoms is weak, and the rule of law tends to be eroded by populism. This basic injustice at the heart of the system makes it fissile, and prone to subversion and/or collapse.

So the problem with this model is that it doesn't solve the absolute least of our problems and is prone to the things that are already a reality and doesn't bring back things we de facto surrendered decades ago?

I think I can live with that.
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(01-27-2020 10:51 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  To me it seems we should be taking Hungary and Polands' lead.

Christianity must come back into the Public Sphere. Our Countries, Local Governments, Leaders, Organizations, High School football teams all need to be openly placed under the Kingship of Jesus Christ.

No more time to worry about the unbelievers feeling uncomfortable. Put prayer back in School. Can we close shopping on Sundays, at least in the morning so people can go to Church.

We need leaders who put their knee down to Christ, not who speak vaguely of God like a freemason does.

How do you propose to deal with Militant Atheist organizations that want religion out of the Public Square like the Freedom from Religion Foundation and so forth.

They will do all they can to stop that.
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(01-27-2020 07:07 PM)kel Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 04:12 PM)Serie A Wrote:  The problem with this model is that the conception of individual rights and freedoms is weak, and the rule of law tends to be eroded by populism. This basic injustice at the heart of the system makes it fissile, and prone to subversion and/or collapse.

So the problem with this model is that it doesn't solve the absolute least of our problems and is prone to the things that are already a reality and doesn't bring back things we de facto surrendered decades ago?

I think I can live with that.

Individual rights and freedoms and the rule of law are not optional extras for any political system. In their absence, grievances tend to stack up very quickly, and the basic level of justice that is needed for a system to remain stable cannot be sustained. In effect, the status quo ends up undermining itself.

Unfortunately – and this is only one opinion, naturally – it seems that there is something severely lacking in much of the contemporary discourse on this subject. One gets the sense that far too many religious people (not just Christians) would be happy to advocate the promulgation of banana republics in the name of God – as if God doesn't care about the quality of laws, jurisprudence, wisdom, compassion...
01-28-2020 07:27 AM
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(01-27-2020 08:31 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 10:51 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  To me it seems we should be taking Hungary and Polands' lead.

Christianity must come back into the Public Sphere. Our Countries, Local Governments, Leaders, Organizations, High School football teams all need to be openly placed under the Kingship of Jesus Christ.

No more time to worry about the unbelievers feeling uncomfortable. Put prayer back in School. Can we close shopping on Sundays, at least in the morning so people can go to Church.

We need leaders who put their knee down to Christ, not who speak vaguely of God like a freemason does.

How do you propose to deal with Militant Atheist organizations that want religion out of the Public Square like the Freedom from Religion Foundation and so forth.

They will do all they can to stop that.

I suppose we would only have to deal with them if they broke the laws grounded in Christian Morals.

They would have to consider sending their kids to private schools or home schooling, or follow along with the system in place. Many devout Christians do these things now. The shoe would just be on the other foot.

I really do think people would appreciate Sundays off. I think in these cases you start with what is politically wanted in Christianity. Lower interest rates on credit cards, cancel the abortion project, take back Sunday. Losing our day of rest was like women becoming feminists, it was just a huge scam.

For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. Rom 1:22
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Well this is intense:

GOD AS THE WEEPING LIGHT TO THE WORLD
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Quote:Ever since history began, man fallen away from Paradise has tried to kill God. Since the time of the fall, God’s presence has been an unbearable wound for man, a cunning killer. It triggered the memory of Paradise lost, filling him with pain and indignation; it became his inner revolt when he recalled how beautiful and good he had been; it triggered the gnashing of his teeth at the thought of the lost Father’s embrace, in which Adam had leaned his head on the Father’s bosom and heard God’s heartbeat.

Orphaned, amidst the thorns of the earth and his own passions, man tried to destroy every image that would raise up his mind to the Lover of mankind and extinguish every gleam of the thought of the bliss of Paradise. He started erasing every reminiscence of God, His beautiful face, inspiring look, every angelic voice, every flap of the wings, the celestial fragrance, the taste of heavenly fruits—in a word, any sparkle of love in his heart.

However, the entire world, alas, continued to remind him of God—of the lost gifts, the love that is above our nature, the everlasting light, and the lost hopes. Then, frantic with spite, man began to do his best to kill God. First he killed God in himself, kissing and idolizing deaf and blind matter, cutting off all the “arteries of light” in his “spiritual body”, plunging himself into non-existence, playing with death, giving himself up to the most rabid passions.

Next he set about killing God in nature. Everything reminded him of God. Every instance of a bird twittering reminded him of Paradise. So he slaughtered birds and stopped up his ears in order not to hear their song. All kinds of flowers would hurt him, reminding him of the ineffable Garden of love. So he eradicated flowers, with indescribable fury and hatred mowing them and tearing them out by the root. A child’s smile would break his heart, so he began exterminating children. He ruined their childhood by teaching them to lie, steal, hurt and murder. He littered and polluted all of nature in the search for comfort and energy, for he had neither the peace of Paradise nor the uncreated energies of heavenly grace anymore.

Then he set about killing God in fellow humans. First he slew the naïve Abel, then all those who were not of his tribe, kin, religion, race etc. Thus wars appeared from the need to kill God. However, God was so far away, so high and inaccessible for man made of the dirt that he started killing the image of God in other people he met. Hence various murderous ideologies, racism, epidemics of diseases invented in labs, abortions with millions of babies massacred in the slaughter houses called “mothers”, chemicals that ruin everything under the pretext of “curing”, pharmacies with synthetic nightmares, pills against life and especially eternal life.

But God persisted in living, since He is eternal. And then man started killing himself at every moment of the death called “life” to destroy the image of God in himself. Conscience, a sense of guilt and pain after committing a murder—all of this cannot be torn away from the depth of the human soul in any other way than through suicide. Hence euthanasia, drugs (that offer pleasure in exchange for life), depression as a result of the absence of God, and so on.

In the twilight of history, God Himself shone forth on earth to tell us about our new home, our new life, our new and eternal citizenship—the Heavenly Kingdom. And guess what man did? He put God Who became man to death. He invented various ruses and tricks, shook his head at the sight of miracles, closed his ears so as not to hear the life-giving words, closed his eyes at the sight of numerous cures, found “rational explanations” for the whole universe of the wonders of the life of Christ. And then he executed Him with the hatred accumulated from the very dawn of history. But Christ rose from the dead, ascended to heaven and drew humanity (infected by death) to Himself through His resurrected Body—that is, the Church.

God is unkillable. By trying to kill Him in ourselves we kill ourselves. By driving Him away from our lives we throw ourselves out of being, for we are animate dust. By striving to forget His love we plunge ourselves into the total oblivion called hell.

But, nevertheless, God, the holy Call of eternity, comes every time we call Him, even when He knows that we will kill Him later. He is so close that a single thought will be enough for Him to come and give us peace. A hand given to a beggar is enough for Him to stretch a helping hand to us and get us out of the depths. A smile given to a stranger is enough for Him, the Creator, to smile to us in secret. A piece of bread offered to an unfortunate wretch is enough for Him to give us the Bread of life, His Body of Eucharist, the Communion. And we need nothing except a tear of pain and repentance to see Him, the weeping Light to the world.

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Would anyone be interested in a Bible readthrough/study group?

I've been trying to reconnect with Christianity. I was born into a nominally Catholic family, but just nominally. Besides being baptized, I went to church only for weddings (which are never held in church anymore) or funerals. I was your typical atheist from puberty to, well, present basically, but I'm trying. I was going to follow the Jewish annual cycle of reading the Torah to start, but I missed Simchat Torah, so I'm thinking now of doing a complete read-through, or a New Testament read-through, or something of that nature over the course of the next year.

I know there are a lot of Christians on here, and a lot more non-Christians who, like me, are concerned with what a godless society hath wrought and are open to reconnecting. Given that spectrum - from pious theologians to well-read atheists to people who've never touched a bible - I think we could have a good little study group.

Here are a few schedules:

https://www.ligonier.org/blog/bible-reading-plans/
https://www.biblegateway.com/reading-pla...-year/next

But I'm open to suggestions, including ones that are a bit more thematic and aim to have a comprehensive, contextual reading rather than a start-at-page-one approach. I leave that decision to the more wise amongst us and public opinion.

Would anyone else be interested? If so, what kind of reading plan would you like to do? If there is interest, I will start a new thread with the schedule and we can begin in the next week or two and have discussions there.
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@debeguiled

Indeed likewise the modernist and post-modernist abominations of architecture and art are also attempts to banish paradise and the God who made paradise from his remembrance.

The hatred of beauty in that which is built as much as that which naturally occurs is proxy for hatred of God.
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(02-01-2020 09:54 PM)kel Wrote:  Would anyone be interested in a Bible readthrough/study group?

I've been trying to reconnect with Christianity. I was born into a nominally Catholic family, but just nominally. Besides being baptized, I went to church only for weddings (which are never held in church anymore) or funerals. I was your typical atheist from puberty to, well, present basically, but I'm trying. I was going to follow the Jewish annual cycle of reading the Torah to start, but I missed Simchat Torah, so I'm thinking now of doing a complete read-through, or a New Testament read-through, or something of that nature over the course of the next year.

I know there are a lot of Christians on here, and a lot more non-Christians who, like me, are concerned with what a godless society hath wrought and are open to reconnecting. Given that spectrum - from pious theologians to well-read atheists to people who've never touched a bible - I think we could have a good little study group.

Here are a few schedules:

https://www.ligonier.org/blog/bible-reading-plans/
https://www.biblegateway.com/reading-pla...-year/next

But I'm open to suggestions, including ones that are a bit more thematic and aim to have a comprehensive, contextual reading rather than a start-at-page-one approach. I leave that decision to the more wise amongst us and public opinion.

Would anyone else be interested? If so, what kind of reading plan would you like to do? If there is interest, I will start a new thread with the schedule and we can begin in the next week or two and have discussions there.

Similar background, and yes I would be interested, lets get a few more and see where this goes.

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(02-01-2020 09:54 PM)kel Wrote:  Would anyone be interested in a Bible readthrough/study group?

...

But I'm open to suggestions, including ones that are a bit more thematic and aim to have a comprehensive, contextual reading rather than a start-at-page-one approach.

Here are two potential non-linear plans:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/202ooeuw2l6kj...tracking=1

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/202ooeuw2l6kj...tracking=1
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It's getting close to a year and a half since I started asking God to help me get my life on track. I'm all out of ideas and I don't know what to do. I'm a complete loser with so much potential but nothing to show for it.

At first I stopped all my efforts because I wanted to trust Him. Then after a few months I got frustrated and I thought maybe I should do something and then He will help. But nothing has happened, as least as far as I can tell. Now I'm back to doing nothing because I can't think of anything to do.

Then a couple of days ago I had an idea. Why not thank Him for this frustration and boredom as my life passes me by, and this feeling of being useless and unproductive. Why not thank Him for every negative feeling I'm having.

If this is a test, or His way of gradually making me mad so I'll rely only on Him, then surely I should be thanking Him. Maybe He's got something amazing planned. But then again, I already know I need His help, so why the wait? I get it.

Should I keep thanking Him and enduring this (not that I have any alternative, it's not like I have any bright ideas)? Is He waiting for me to break down completely and hit rock bottom? How much longer is He going to torment me? I have no idea what's going on. I've had no insights, no events or coincidences, nothing. Complete silence. A year and a half is a long time, it's really depressing and boring.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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(02-05-2020 07:29 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  It's getting close to a year and a half since I started asking God to help me get my life on track. I'm all out of ideas and I don't know what to do. I'm a complete loser with so much potential but nothing to show for it.

At first I stopped all my efforts because I wanted to trust Him. Then after a few months I got frustrated and I thought maybe I should do something and then He will help. But nothing has happened, as least as far as I can tell. Now I'm back to doing nothing because I can't think of anything to do.

Then a couple of days ago I had an idea. Why not thank Him for this frustration and boredom as my life passes me by, and this feeling of being useless and unproductive. Why not thank Him for every negative feeling I'm having.

If this is a test, or His way of gradually making me mad so I'll rely only on Him, then surely I should be thanking Him. Maybe He's got something amazing planned. But then again, I already know I need His help, so why the wait? I get it.

Should I keep thanking Him and enduring this (not that I have any alternative, it's not like I have any bright ideas)? Is He waiting for me to break down completely and hit rock bottom? How much longer is He going to torment me? I have no idea what's going on. I've had no insights, no events or coincidences, nothing. Complete silence. A year and a half is a long time, it's really depressing and boring.

First, He is not tormenting you. God does not torment His own (although He may allow others to torment you, as in the case of Job). Second, never do nothing. God did not magically make the ark for Noah. He made Noah and his family work for many decades to build the ark.

If you have that much time on your hands, study Scripture for a certain amount of time per day (even if only ten minutes), visit all the Bible-believing churches in your area and commit to one that you like, and then join a Bible study and other church groups. All of this will open doors for you. You may have a sudden epiphany while reading Scripture, or you may meet a godly woman at church, or meet a crucial business contact at bible study.

Without a proper context of your life and your particular problems, it is hard to provide specific advice. But the one thing that I can say is that doing nothing accomplishes nothing. For example, set a ten-year goal and then work backwards to five-year goals and yearly goals that will get you where you want to be in ten years.
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Vlad, I have had a preacher recommend praising God when you face difficulty, and I tried it. This was years (decades) ago, when I would come home from church, and my wife was a crazy, raging bitch like you only hear about in the worst stories of the craziest bitchez.

I came home, and praised God silently when she started in, and she sweetened right up. She did not know about my praising God, but the situation improved anyway.

That being said, I was self employed at the time, and I put all my faith in God and prayed for guidance and wisdom, and I tithed, and followed God with all my heart, as I tried to make my business work.

As you would expect, I went bankrupt.

You have to solve your own problems. God provides supernatural guidance as often as he provides supernatural healing. It happens sometimes, where you can't deny it, but it's nothing you can count on. I'm sure a scriptural proof exists for my practical experience.

You have to solve your own problems, and it might take 20 years for you to finally find the lesson you're looking for right now. I hope not.

Eventually, with 2020 hindsight, you may see God's hand in the whole situation.

God is very tricky. If you could make him work in your life reliably, it wouldn't take faith for you to believe in him, because you could see that prayer works, and you could count on it. It doesn't work that way. It's all supposed to work out after you die. Nothing more is promised.

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Thanks for responding Tail Gunner. When I said tormenting me I didn't mean to say that He's keeping me waiting in a mischievous/sadistic way, just that whatever it is that He's doing, it's unpleasant. It's just frustrating, it makes me wonder how much longer this is going to go on for.

Church isn't for me, and the bible is way too complicated. I'm not going to confuse myself or get involved in organized religion. But I do listen to sermons every night, as it's easier to understand things when they're explained and put into context (it's also inspiring to hear someone get worked up). And I pray a lot. Not formal prayers, I mean I talk to Him like He's a guy standing next to me. And I cry and plead a lot, and when I do I pour it all onto Him.

As for doing something, I'm all out of ideas. I've got nothing. Honestly nothing at all. I'm as stuck as anyone can be.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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(02-05-2020 07:56 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  Vlad, I have had a preacher recommend praising God when you face difficulty, and I tried it. This was years (decades) ago, when I would come home from church, and my wife was a crazy, raging bitch like you only hear about in the worst stories of the craziest bitchez.

I came home, and praised God silently when she started in, and she sweetened right up. She did not know about my praising God, but the situation improved anyway.

That being said, I was self employed at the time, and I put all my faith in God and prayed for guidance and wisdom, and I tithed, and followed God with all my heart, as I tried to make my business work.

As you would expect, I went bankrupt.

You have to solve your own problems. God provides supernatural guidance as often as he provides supernatural healing. It happens sometimes, where you can't deny it, but it's nothing you can count on. I'm sure a scriptural proof exists for my practical experience.

You have to solve your own problems, and it might take 20 years for you to finally find the lesson you're looking for right now. I hope not.

Eventually, with 2020 hindsight, you may see God's hand in the whole situation.

God is very tricky. If you could make him work in your life reliably, it wouldn't take faith for you to believe in him, because you could see that prayer works, and you could count on it. It doesn't work that way. It's all supposed to work out after you die. Nothing more is promised.

I do find it quite funny when I say thank you for this horrible feeling. It's very counter intuitive, which I find amusing. It's not actually that hard, surprisingly. I'll keep doing that and I'll do it sincerely. I'd love to get stuck into some task that I could do to get things going, but as I say I'm all out of ideas. I don't know, I'll figure something out.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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Solving spiritual problems is difficult for a layman. Have you been talking to a priest or receiving spiritual guidance?

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(02-05-2020 08:22 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Solving spiritual problems is difficult for a layman. Have you been talking to a priest or receiving spiritual guidance?

People here are trying to guide him, but he is having none of it. I advised him to study Scripture and to find a Bible-believing church (because fellowship with other believers is a basic tenet of practicing Christianity). But he responds: "Church isn't for me, and the bible is way too complicated."

He claims: "As for doing something, I'm all out of ideas. I've got nothing. Honestly nothing at all. I'm as stuck as anyone can be." But, aside from prayer, he has not even done the very basics. No reading of scripture; no church attendance; no bible study; no helping of the needy; no contact with a spiritual adviser. Absolutely nothing. Yet, he expects results.

This is your tough love for today, Vlad. I am just calling it the way that I see it. You are right about one thing: You are indeed doing nothing. Absolutely nothing. Hence, your problems. If you were God, would you help someone like yourself? God provides you with a game plan for life (the Bible) and not only do you not follow its advice, but you do not even bother reading it. You are like the child who kills his own parents -- and then complains that he is an orphan.
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(02-05-2020 08:22 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Solving spiritual problems is difficult for a layman. Have you been talking to a priest or receiving spiritual guidance?

Just before refreshing the page and reading your post, I said to God : If this is my life, if this is it, if I'm not meant to achieve anything or be somebody, or if you're going to take me in some unexpected direction even if it's something I dislike, or if I die tomorrow, then so be it, I'll accept it. I'll take anything, as long as I know it's from you.

No I haven't spoken to anyone. Maybe I should. But I just don't want to hear the usual stuff that you'd expect from a priest. I want to hear something meaningful to me.

I can't describe how lost I feel. If rock bottom is on it's way, I hope it comes soon.

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(02-05-2020 08:37 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  I can't describe how lost I feel. If rock bottom is on it's way, I hope it comes soon.

If hitting rock bottom is the only way that you will listen to God and read scripture, find a Bible-believing church, attend church, join a bible study, and speak with a spiritual adviser, then hitting rock bottom is what it will take. Of course, you could always take the short cut -- and actually listen to God.
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Ever since deepening my connection with God and going further down this path, I've noticed an intensely increased sensitivity to unethical behavior and sin. More so in other people's behavior than my own since I feel I'm on the right path.

For example I found out about certain situations in my workplace and I felt nauseous. I couldn't function and almost had a panic attack.

This is strange for me because in the past I would be unphased. It's like finally being able to understand viscerally maybe 0.0001% of suffering Jesus felt when dying for mankinds sin. It's an awful terrible feeling really.

The other problem is that degeneracy is everywhere, I feel like retreating to a monastery. It's hard to make progress when you are forced to interact with unethical people at work for example. Not all are bad of course but it weighs on me.
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Vladimir, it sounds like you're letting yourself get in the way of God. You say you want His help; but in the specific way that you want, delivered by the specific mechanism you want, while avoiding the buildings and books that you don't want to deal with. You say you want Christ, but His Body "isn't for you." You say you want to hear His voice, but His Word is "too complicated." It's hard for everyone to realize, especially at first, that God doesn't exist on our terms, to help us on our terms, according to our timetable and our desires. Who are we to make such demands? If God gives us a Church and a Bible, He has already done more for us than we deserve. He has already given us the roadmap and the tools.

If you were trying to build a car, would you say that the instructions are too complex and you find wrenches too boring? And if you had a friend who told you he wanted to build a car with no instructions or tools, what would you think of his approach?

The truth is that God works with us according to HIS way, and HIS time, and HIS terms. And the more forcefully we try to hold onto our own, the more distant His becomes from us. We have to surrender - truly, completely, fully surrender - in saying "Your will be done." The scariest words in the English language. It is only once our egos and our pride begin to break that the Light starts to permeate our darkness and illuminate the Way.

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(02-05-2020 08:22 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Solving spiritual problems is difficult for a layman. Have you been talking to a priest or receiving spiritual guidance?

Just before refreshing the page and reading your post, I said to God : If this is my life, if this is it, if I'm not meant to achieve anything or be somebody, or if you're going to take me in some unexpected direction even if it's something I dislike, or if I die tomorrow, then so be it, I'll accept it. I'll take anything, as long as I know it's from you.

No I haven't spoken to anyone. Maybe I should. But I just don't want to hear the usual stuff that you'd expect from a priest. I want to hear something meaningful to me.

I can't describe how lost I feel. If rock bottom is on it's way, I hope it comes soon.

I think you're under heavy deception and need to join a church with a pastor that you can trust. You won't be able to save yourself or know God alone. Some men can sort of pull that off, but it's clear you can't.

You've been ignoring advice on this thread for months now, so it seems like you made up your mind about what a relationship with God should be. I don't see much humility in what you're stating, only despair.

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(02-05-2020 07:29 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  It's getting close to a year and a half since I started asking God to help me get my life on track. I'm all out of ideas and I don't know what to do. I'm a complete loser with so much potential but nothing to show for it...

...How much longer is He going to torment me? I have no idea what's going on. I've had no insights, no events or coincidences, nothing. Complete silence. A year and a half is a long time, it's really depressing and boring.

Vladimir, in the past couple of years, I have lost everything that was important to me and it was my fault. I won't go into my situation because I already discussed it extensively on another thread.

I too feel like a complete loser with so much potential but nothing to show for it. I too have moments where I feel like I don't know how long God is going to punish me and I feel like I have no answers.

Even since I started believing in God about a year ago, I've had moments where it seemed like I was getting my life back on track, even moments where God performed miracles for me, and then I somehow fucked it up again and ended up back at square one.

I would think to myself "How could this be? I believe in God and I've been doing everything to live the way He wants me to, and then I make one little mistake and He chooses to punish me so severely? This is so unfair!"

But then when I actually sat down and made a list of everything I did leading up to those moments, it turned out I had been disrespecting God in many ways that I didn't even realize at the time.

I guess my point is that God isn't "tormenting" you (or me, for that matter). Everything God does is righteous and good. If God is punishing you, it is not without good reason. It can be hard to admit this because it means you are responsible for your own suffering, but it also means that if you live God's will from now on, He will do right by you.

This is easier said than done. For me personally, in the situation I am in, it is hard for me to believe that God will save me if I submit myself to Him. A lot of times, it feels like it is too late and I'd be better off dead. But I know that trusting God is the only thing I can do to get myself where I need to be. If I don't submit myself to God and trust Him, I will inevitably keep suffering (and so will those around me).

Also, I agree with the people who are saying you should go to church. I recently started going (like literally 3 Sundays ago was my first time ever going to church). I have a meeting with the priest next Sunday. Hopefully, he can help guide me spiritually, and if he can't, then I will find a different church. But I definitely can't go through this process on my own by just reading the Bible and praying alone in my room.
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(02-05-2020 08:37 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  
(02-05-2020 08:22 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Solving spiritual problems is difficult for a layman. Have you been talking to a priest or receiving spiritual guidance?

Just before refreshing the page and reading your post, I said to God : If this is my life, if this is it, if I'm not meant to achieve anything or be somebody, or if you're going to take me in some unexpected direction even if it's something I dislike, or if I die tomorrow, then so be it, I'll accept it. I'll take anything, as long as I know it's from you.

No I haven't spoken to anyone. Maybe I should. But I just don't want to hear the usual stuff that you'd expect from a priest. I want to hear something meaningful to me.

I can't describe how lost I feel. If rock bottom is on it's way, I hope it comes soon.

Well, I like your honesty. My favorite Catholic mystic was a guy in the 14th century named Henry Suso. He gave his life over to God, and thought things were already hard, and couldn't believe how much harder they got. His spiritual biography is basically saying over and over: I knew it was going to be hard, but not this hard.

When I feel God doesn't love me, sometimes I read Suso and feel better. Mostly it doesn't work, but sometimes it does.

I like this quote from him:

https://books.google.com/books?id=gCjpQI...so&f=false

Quote:One fact caused him sore distress. He had no one to whom he could express his troubles, no one who was searching the same way for the same thing he was called to. And so he went about, an unloved stranger, and with great self-disicpline he stayed away.

Maybe your only problems is that your peer group all died in the 1300s.

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