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RE: Older players (Mid 30s & 40+), Advice for 25yo
You young guys are so economically fucked compared to my generation. Its absolutely frightening.
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04-16-2019 11:52 AM
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I don't post much any more but I'll post here. Seems like one of the last useful threads on the forum.

I will cover career development and marriage/children since those topics I know intimately.

The first thing I would ask you to work on, OP, if you're 25 is your Inner game. Honestly, this is an area I only developed starting in my mid 30s and I'm only now really starting to reap the benefits of it, 5 fucking years later. If you have the opportunity to improve your inner game at 25, your 30s will be a much more immersive learning experience. I don't want to keep this theoretical. So let's get deeper. I'll keep this discussion to career related components. Say at 25, you're working for a Corporation where your compensation is fixed, meaning you get one set salary for doing a job, say, as a data analyst or something. Unless you are in a great place in any STEM or Finance fields, get your ass out of that job, and go into something with a more variable income, like sales. Learn to sell. It will be invaluable when the time comes later for you to take a step into business or other more risky ventures. If you want context regarding my journey, feel free to search my threads for more information.

As far as women, understand the risks intimately. As one poster mentioned here, it would be great to settle down at this age with a homely feminine girl. If you do, and her values align, you can have a great life with healthy kids and a fulfilling mindset. I got married at 28 and my kids are the most fulfilling aspect of my life. That being said, if you get married, make absolutely sure that banging multiple women is at least out of your system to the point you are at least marginally sick of it from a mental fulfillment standpoint. If you don't, your desire to game will show up in the middle of marriage. This also happened to me in my mid-30s. You can read my forum posts. I gamed hard and.. got caught. Was it worth it? That's a question for another thread.

There are many friends I have, a lot of them, forum members, that gamed hard until their 40s and now are finding it hard to settle down. Some are finding it hard to find a suitable mate. This isn't a surprise. That being said, gaming women, while fulfilling, can drain you so much that you want a break sometimes. At least in my case, I admit that I did. If you don't have this break and get obsessed, you may not be able to meaningfully assess what life means to you. If it means that you want to settle down, you will never see it if you're banging a chick every night. It will get somewhat addictive. The opportunity cost of gaming really comes down to the lack of thought development given around the aspect of starting a real family. Also if you're in your 40s and marry a woman in her mid 30s, the risks of having a child to her are high. Not only that, raising children will not be easy at that age. It can drain you some days. It used to drain me enough in my 30s. If you want this, you have to work for it.

I'll leave it there for now.

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04-18-2019 11:43 AM
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RE: Older players (Mid 30s & 40+), Advice for 25yo
I have to say reading the posts on here recently, what in the actual hell happened to this forum?

I remember being a huge fan of Roosh's work of traveling around the world to fuck various kinds of pussy and being a lifelong playboy only to find trash posts on here telling dudes to find a wife and get married. If some guys want to go down that path then fine but trying to force all young men down that path is pure insanity. If a guy wants to spend his life fucking randoms and fucking hot girls, that is his choice, he has no obligation to get married so I am not sure where the garbage on here is coming from.

It used to be about building up your value and fucking young hot women at an older age, even if you have to eventually rely on escort game and status/sugar daddy game rather than just your looks. At times I wonder if there is a conspiracy theory from the morally self-righteous radical right wing or someone to almost destroy the prime years of young men on here. How the player aspirations went to forcing men to be family-oriented. I have enough intuition to see through all of that shit but still, something really changed for the worse when this kind of a mindset of telling men to settle down took hold on here.

The playboy lifestyle is not for everyone but to actively berate it? That's crabs in a bucket 101.
04-18-2019 10:17 PM
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RE: Older players (Mid 30s & 40+), Advice for 25yo
I think marriage is basicly a 100% bad deal in the USSA and Western sphere countries. Also if you get a wife from Colombia, Estonia, ukraine etc and take her back, she will revert to the American standards over time. Dont getarried and live in the west, its a trap, a scam.

If you want to get married figure out how to make a life in Eastern Europe, Colombia or SEA.

If you dont want to live outside the west...... Then pursue a life of fucking women and building your business and your body.
04-19-2019 02:36 AM
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(04-18-2019 10:17 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  At times I wonder if there is a conspiracy theory from the morally self-righteous radical right wing or someone to almost destroy the prime years of young men on here. How the player aspirations went to forcing men to be family-oriented. I have enough intuition to see through all of that shit but still, something really changed for the worse when this kind of a mindset of telling men to settle down took hold on here.

Put down the tin foil hat, bro.

There's no conspiracy on this forum trying to shame guys out of banging every hot chick in sight. If you wanna bang away, go ahead. Have at it.

What you are seeing is that forum members are getting older, and that comes with increasing desire to have children. The older I get, the closer I get to 40, the more and more I want kids. Totally natural and there's nothing insidious about it.

If you're seeing it as a crabs in the bucket mentality and taking it as such, then I think your inner game needs some work.
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RE: Older players (Mid 30s & 40+), Advice for 25yo
What CleanSlate wrote is true.

I started developing my "game" and became "red pill" about 7 years ago. At the time I thaught that i would never get married or settle down and thaught anybody that did was an idiot. I looked forward to a life of debauchery

Fast forward 7 years, I am happily married with 2 kids and 1 in the oven. Never would have thaught this would happen. The interesting thing is that it was game and the red pill mindset that lead me to eastern europe and I met my wife in a day game session. I still apply game principles like negging, dread and maintaining frame etc to my wife to this day.

I look forward to raising masculine sons and a feminine daughter.

Im not sure this would have been as likely in the USA or the West. Im not saying its impossible, just much more difficult.
04-19-2019 05:47 AM
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(04-18-2019 10:17 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  I have to say reading the posts on here recently, what in the actual hell happened to this forum?

I remember being a huge fan of Roosh's work of traveling around the world to fuck various kinds of pussy and being a lifelong playboy only to find trash posts on here telling dudes to find a wife and get married. If some guys want to go down that path then fine but trying to force all young men down that path is pure insanity. If a guy wants to spend his life fucking randoms and fucking hot girls, that is his choice, he has no obligation to get married so I am not sure where the garbage on here is coming from.

It used to be about building up your value and fucking young hot women at an older age, even if you have to eventually rely on escort game and status/sugar daddy game rather than just your looks. At times I wonder if there is a conspiracy theory from the morally self-righteous radical right wing or someone to almost destroy the prime years of young men on here. How the player aspirations went to forcing men to be family-oriented. I have enough intuition to see through all of that shit but still, something really changed for the worse when this kind of a mindset of telling men to settle down took hold on here.

The playboy lifestyle is not for everyone but to actively berate it? That's crabs in a bucket 101.

There was also a time when people used game and put it out on the forum for others to learn from; and newbies learned from them and got better.

People like you need to learn from iconoclast007 above.

For the 1000th time bro, work on your inner game.

These posts of yours add zero value. I've been through this with you at least once a month here.

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I truly believe that life is a balance.

A hedonistic lifestyle might make me feel jaded and not be able to settle down, but I might be hungry for new piece of ass/note if I don't pimp out and get the players lifestyle out of system.

Then my question is, where do I draw the line?
Is it 10 more lays? 25 more lays? 50 lays? Does it depend on the person? Just go fuck around and chill out once a while to calibrate where I am at?

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04-20-2019 11:50 AM
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My journey involved learning how to "spin plates". I stopped worrying about number of bangs and focused exclusively on quality. I based my succsess on threesomes and the quality of the girls I had in rotation.

This mindset brought pussy abundance to me. Eventually my wife convinced me to settle down and here I am with kids and a family.

That said, the urge will never leave me and in the right covert circumstance I poach a nice piece on the side, very selectively. Honestly, its makes my marriage stronger as I am fullfilled and my wife senses my aloofness and options and gives me more BJ's instinctively.

The " hedonistic" lifestyle is natural. Monogamy is societal influencing. It is neother good or bad, it just is. The paradigm is that the better you are at game, in my humble opinion.... The higher the likely hood of you fjnding a top notch wife and mother and keeping her indefinitely.

In a previous post I reccomended the book Rational Male. I would suggest you buy it and read it with a highlighter multiple times and hold onto the content as your bible for game.
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(04-18-2019 10:17 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  I have to say reading the posts on here recently, what in the actual hell happened to this forum?

I remember being a huge fan of Roosh's work of traveling around the world to fuck various kinds of pussy and being a lifelong playboy only to find trash posts on here telling dudes to find a wife and get married. If some guys want to go down that path then fine but trying to force all young men down that path is pure insanity. If a guy wants to spend his life fucking randoms and fucking hot girls, that is his choice, he has no obligation to get married so I am not sure where the garbage on here is coming from.

It used to be about building up your value and fucking young hot women at an older age, even if you have to eventually rely on escort game and status/sugar daddy game rather than just your looks. At times I wonder if there is a conspiracy theory from the morally self-righteous radical right wing or someone to almost destroy the prime years of young men on here. How the player aspirations went to forcing men to be family-oriented. I have enough intuition to see through all of that shit but still, something really changed for the worse when this kind of a mindset of telling men to settle down took hold on here.

The playboy lifestyle is not for everyone but to actively berate it? That's crabs in a bucket 101.

This is probably your best post so far.
04-20-2019 03:15 PM
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(04-20-2019 11:50 AM)bgbusiness Wrote:  I truly believe that life is a balance.

A hedonistic lifestyle might make me feel jaded and not be able to settle down, but I might be hungry for new piece of ass/note if I don't pimp out and get the players lifestyle out of system.

Then my question is, where do I draw the line?
Is it 10 more lays? 25 more lays? 50 lays? Does it depend on the person? Just go fuck around and chill out once a while to calibrate where I am at?

It's different for everyone. I'd say 20 as a minimum is a good guideline amount. For me it was 50+. For others it may be hundreds.
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(04-12-2019 09:56 AM)Lime Wrote:  
(04-11-2019 06:51 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  
(04-11-2019 06:02 AM)Lime Wrote:  ^Leonard, these diseases are not gay specific, as many straight guys like to believe. You can get throat cancer from eating pussy they say. Of course this applies to women with a high notch count.

Yes, to the pussy eating part, that is the heterosexual male major risk. The throat cancer can be deadly. The other threat is just having genital warts and, of course, your ability to infect your sexual partners (so, say your wife) with a disease that causes cervical and vulvar cancer, both of which can be lethal.

No, to the second part about the high notch count. A girl could have had only one partner and the very first guy she had sex with infected her with HPV. But, obviously, the higher the notch count, it becomes an almost statistical certainty she will be infected if she never got the vaccine before becoming sexually active.

I read on some Dutch websites that indeed the risk is higher among the gay demographic. Pussy eating is the problem, my uncle taught me this already years ago. I have been very selective about which pussy I eat since, still one infected can be enough. Most often, the virus is destroyed. There are 100 strains, of which only a few cause the cancer. I suppose the risk is smaller if Im careful about which pussies to eat?

Not necessarily, but I've read some studies that suggest a strong mouthwash and brushing your teeth after going down on a chick is your only defense if you don't use one of those mouth condoms. "Dental dam." You can buy them or make them out of a regular condom. just be careful that the condom isn't coated with spermicide because that will make your mouth go numb and tastes nasty.

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