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I'm already very long-winded in this thread and I'm about to be really long-winded. But you asked for it (list of links provided below).

(06-06-2019 01:08 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Can anyone recommend good books for experiences with altered states of consciousness that are not drug-induced?

[. . .] I'm also just curious about the non-induced path to these types of experiences, even if it's more difficult and less intense.

I've always been interested in the natural means of going to these places too. But I'm gonna level with you--my experience down that avenue has left me feeling like most/all of the non-chemical paths to consciousness expansion are mild to the point of being negligible, or are absolutely exaggerated.

Though you definitely achieve that tingly and warm feeling of divinity while sober, outright visions and entity contact just won't happen to most of us without medication.

I'm no expert on this subject though and plenty of other folks invested way more discipline and effort into this than I have. All that said, here are some things/books/lectures that have worked for me.

(Important Note: Everything below is drawing primarily from my own experiences and prejudices. I'm expressing what seems true for me and presenting it in a way that I assume is true for you if you are like me.)

Melatonin/Lucid Dreams

If legality is the concern, melatonin is IME the most high-percentage way to get "out there."

Yep, the popular sleep supplement melatonin.

Some have noted melatonin's structural similarity to DMT, and it is actually classified as a tryptamine. I read or heard somewhere that because of these properties, melatonin potentiates certain psychoactive substances. I'm not sure if that's true because melatonin seems to only be "psychedelic" when you're asleep.

But it is seriously psychedelic when you're asleep.

People often report really crazy dreams while on melatonin. There's a Huff Post article that claims that people with normal sleep cycles taking melatonin don't actually have increased REM sleep. That might be true in that a healthy person has lots of REM sleep naturally. But that isn't the real psychedelic property of melatonin per se--the psychedelic property is its total alteration of the character of your dream and your increased ability to remember those dreams.

Dreams and high-intensity psychedelic experiences share a lot of the same "feel." Namely, placing you in a unique mental environment with mystical physics. Where you can see different energy dynamics at work. Where you can gain insights that can be taken out of those experiences.

Melatonin makes this much easier for me in that it allows me to remember my dreams. That alone makes dreams more psychedelic because it makes it easier for me to interact and build off of them. More importantly, melatonin makes it easier to lucid dream.

Literally just this morning I had a layered lucid dream on melatonin that felt like a trip. Many strong trips have this feeling to them that is akin to some kind of pull or shock of energy. If you "tune into" this energy or focus on it, the trip will break open into a higher state of tripping. Mushrooms have this most noticeable feelings like this. Salvia has this kind of feel to it too, but its so violent that you don't feel like you have that option to focus in on it or not. It just takes you.

My lucid dream on melatonin felt exactly like a shrooms-level pull. Combine a lot of melatonin with typical lucid dream techniques, and I'm positive that you will be able to explore extremely alien realms.

Some lucid dream techniques that worked for me can be found here (especially the "state test").

One thing I would note is that to get really psychedelic with it, you need to master the skill of turning on a "trip" once you get control of the lucid dream. Most people focus on controlling the turbulence of a lucid dream once you realize it's a dream. But one often-neglected aspect (that will be extremely important for your purposes) is the imagination to take your dream to the place you want to go.

You will find in a lucid dream that the first thing you will do is let yourself "teleport" to the easiest place you can while still holding onto the lucid dream. Rarely do you stay in the place you were in when you realized you were in a lucid dream (at least for me). This morning, for example, I teleported to the bus I would ride home in when I was in middle school.

But you don't want to end up there. You want to go really out there. One technique I'm trying to use that I came up with is to try to "crash the system" rendering your dream so you are launched into the deepest depths of your subconsciousness with the goal of going "past" your own mind into something indeterminate.

When you're lucid dreaming, you are constantly asking questions and answering them at the same time. You're asking what you want to render, and then you answer by trying to render it. But you'll find that you won't have perfect control of the dream. Some things just won't appear. That gives you the opportunity to wedge something in that mechanism that "frees" you of the dream. A state of neither dreaming nor being awake. A place we know nothing about.

To do this (and I don't know if this will actually work because this is all my thinking here), ask the dream to take you underneath the dream. Taking a tab of acid in the dream may help this. I have had dreams where I took acid or 3-MeO-PCP and actually felt the subjective effects of these substances. You can try to blast yourself off past the dream, to the mechanics underneath the dream, by actually getting high in the dream at the same time.

Other techniques that could work include Hindi/Buddhist thought experiments for enlightenment, and carrying those into the dream. (I'll talk more about those below.)

Triggering this effect, though, is is easier said than done. It's like trying to pull a trigger without jerking when you first learn to shoot. But maybe if a few of us really try to get there, we can refine these techniques and have something to contribute to the guys here who can't invest the time, money and risk in psychedelics.

Kundalini Yoga

There are reports of people experiencing profound altered states through kindalini yoga. I have not seen anything of the sort. Maybe I didn't try hard enough or have the right mindset or didn't consult the right resources, but all of that just seems like hype to me.

It may not be that way for you. Again, I have not tried this with success, so the reference I give you might be total garbage, but here is what I checked out.

Eastern Enlightenment & Meditation

I have spent the most time and effort on this kind of mind-expansion and I'm confident I've experienced as much from it as anyone who hasn't dedicated their life to it. So I'm confident that I've felt the exact sensations people talk about when they talk about powerful meditative experiences.

Alan Watts might be a cliche authority in this field for some but he genuinely is a great introduction into this style of mind alteration. I especially found his explanation of meditation helpful.

But let me preface this by saying that I almost guarantee you you won't be exploring any divine landscapes and having conversations with intelligent beings of pure light. Maybe you'll see a vision of some energy source during meditation, and you probably will have some interesting insights, but don't expect anything too crazy.

Contemplating reality-challenging insights, or koans, is a quick way to get that nice warm feeling that seems to be a primary goal for Taoism/Hinduism/Buddhism. These philosophies of divinity seem to put a lot of emphasis on that feeling or high you get from breaking down those simplifications of life that have us deny our own importance in the universe.

If you want to get the most out of these Eastern approaches, I'd say don't focus so much on trying to have visions. Try instead to look at it as a kind of spiritual entertainment, where you are getting high off of these interesting ideas.

I could mention a lot of books like the I Ching or Tao Te Ching, but I personally did not find an academic approach to these things that helpful. Most people seem to read the more integral Eastern texts out of a sense of duty to familiarize one's self with the doctrines and become "worldly" or "spiritually learned." This is the wrong approach to me. Not that it isn't intellectually stimulating--but these ancient texts (especially I Ching) really don't seem to genuinely produce spiritual change.

Reading them will benefit you for sure (I guess). But will they get you closer to the specific endeavor of experiencing mind-alteration? Not if you're like me (or maybe not if you have my bad attitude). One exception may be this.

I'll also mention this book. I think the author has been rumored to be a fraud. I personally think he is, especially in the martial arts context where he has made ridiculous claims of being able to break bones by just slapping people. But I have a friend who read this book, knowing what I just told you, and tried his meditative techniques anyway. Immediately after, he became sick and delirious for a short time. So even though the author is questionable, there may be something to qigong meditation generally. Probably not though. I'm just including this reference for a sense of completeness so you can look into the subject matter yourself. I don't recommend buying the book--if you're really interested in it, PM me and I can send you my copy.

Christian Prayer

Prayer can induce mind-altering states. Most of us raised in the psuedo-Christian, Happy Meal-style churches in the West are handicapped in this regard because we have been vaccinated against genuine connections with God.

The classic idea of God as a man that takes on the personality and characteristics of aggressively judgmental Christians or cheesy, pansy LGBTQ+ loving pastors and priests is so embedded in our subconsciouses that it predisposes us against genuinely talking to God. Instead we kneel and have make-believe conversations with an imaginary friend that is disappointed in your for sinning and wants you to live a Veggie Tales-esque life.

One step into the intensity of any kind of otherworldly experience will counsel you against such an idea. God is not a cliche machine.

Sadly, these portrayals are the easiest ways to make God something the masses can digest. It is inoffensive and makes for easy cartoon lessons.

To feel the "religious experience," i.e. the sensation of genuine "power prayer" (which is really a non-chemical psychedelic experience), you need a state of mind very few of us possess. Starting with Eastern meditation and making your way back to your childhood faith (assuming you're a Westerner with the typical shallow Christian experience) is an easier way to find this kind of insight than just doing what you've been doing your whole life.

There's a quote somewhere that goes something like "Meditation is easy. Prayer is what's hard." I have found that to be absolutely true, probably for the reasons above.

The first step here is to dissolve the preconceptions of God that simplify Him down into something conceptually easy to talk about.

God is the definition of the transcendental and "God" is the word we use to describe He which cannot be described.

You need to understand all the implications of that statement before you approach prayer with the aim to experience something out of it. And you also need to approach prayer without trying to experience anything special. This might be helpful in that endeavor.

I can't be much more helpful because I honestly have not had much success in true prayer. It is something I constantly work on and I have only found tiny tastes of the transcendental directly through prayer. Most of my powerful religious experiences came unexpectedly. (Maybe that's the point)


Word of Caution

One thing I will also say is be careful with your journey to expand your consciousness while sober. When you're on a drug, you always have that thing you can fall back on. You can logically explain away your experiences by saying, "Oh, that was just a drug." So if you feel something too profound, you can take away from it by attributing it to the drug.

But when you're sober and you're meditating and you suddenly see some vision or get some feeling and come to some conclusion, you'll have a harder time explaining that away. You'll have a harder time convincing yourself that that conclusion isn't real.

See, we aren't really built for transcendental truths like we may have been at one time. When people get a taste of genuine "enlightenment," or God's love, they will feel the urge to take their feelings out of context. For two reasons: 1) we're imperfect, and 2) these feelings are pretty strong if you aren't experienced with feeling them.

So you will find people who start thinking they're literally Jesus Christ. Or thinking Jesus wants them to pray to their door because Jesus's face looks like it is imprinted in that door. Or believing they are literally God, having tricked themselves into thinking they are not. Alan Watts talks about this effect somewhere in this video and warns against it (another reason he's a good introduction to this subject matter).

Plenty of heavy trippers have thought they were God while on a drug. But once they come down, they realize that's a dumb thing to think and they realize that they were experiencing some deep truth about their nature while conflating it with their conscious experience. But if you get that kind of feeling and confusion while sober, you're not coming down. This is how you get religious fanatics and people who are suddenly schizophrenic.

With that in mind, let me know how your psychonaut journey goes. Hopefully in all of this you found something helpful to you.

TL;DR

Lucid Dreaming Links
Kundalini Yoga Links (For those that found more success than I did here, please post about those experiences)
Eastern Meditation & Philosophy
Christian Prayer
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Very interesting. I always get Lynchian dreams when I take melatonin and thought for a long time it's just me.
The kind of where you wake up in the middle of night wondering where the hell were you, and wondering if it's a good idea to go back there.
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(06-06-2019 01:08 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Can anyone recommend good books for experiences with altered states of consciousness that are not drug-induced?

Stanislav Grof - Holotropic Breathwork: Breathing techniques to gain altered states of consciousness

I once read a book about fasting from an orthodox priest but I can't remember the title, pretty sure one of these will also be good:
https://bestchristianbooks.xyz/fasting/

Jason Augustus Comb - 21th century mage: modern interpretation of the "Knowledge and Conversation of Your Holy Guardian Angel" ritual. If you are a devout Christian I don't think this will be something for you since you have to contact demons at the ending of the working.

Stephen LaBerge - Lucid Dreaming... Book with techniques to attain lucid dreaming
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@Tex

Great write up! I see you mention Daoism, however there is no word on the art of Neigong - internal cultivation. It is a system similar to pranayama, just as expansive, the foundational technique being a cultivation of bodily relaxation with ever deepening abdominal breathing. I have been practicing with varying levels of discipline and dedication for a few years now, and have had some modest achievements:

- the learned ability to induce a heavy, fuzzy indica body high from 10-20 minutes of work
- the ability to induce a full body orgasm in as little as a single breath
- instances of ‘seeing’ and ‘feeling’ qi or energy
- increased sensitivity with regards to the physical senses
- various visions and sporadic releases of past trauma

I second your parting warning - I’ve seen it happen myself. Especially if you combine these techniques with psychedelics drugs! In fact, personally I find even the smallest amount of canabis to be overwhelming at times due to the hightened sensitivity - open eyed visuals, entity contact, states of ecstasy, etc. from a single puff of a joint.

I would add another more practical one, one which I am struggling with myself.

If you do cultivate yourself, if it truly calls to you and you develop the discipline to deepen your practice, it will become ever increasingly difficult for you to find someone to be with. Unless you happen upon a woman who shares your passion (truly, most spiritual chicks are simply narcissists wearing a costume) and discipline (practically impossible) they will never be on your level.

Personally, I have only found one woman who had anywhere near the sensitivity I’ve had with maintained and constant, diligent practice. She was an absolute trainwreck. Red flags are always red. Luckily, I dodged that bullet - a friend wasn’t so lucky, instead left heartbroken and dealing with herpes and a nasty case of the clap.
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Spiritual chicks are the worst and often the sluttiest. Women don't have similar spiritual development drive, if one at all.
It's all new age ego stroking crap.
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I'm loving the direction this thread is going.

@Thrice, I've never personally pursued Neigong or any heavy exercises focusing on advanced breathing because I assumed it wouldn't do much for me, but after reading your experience with it I might give it a go.

Another thing I thought was interesting on the subject of dangers here was Carl Jung's forward to one of the editions of the Tibetan Book of the Dead (a book I came back to after writing my last post):

Carl Jung Wrote:One often hears and reads about the dangers of yoga, particularly
of the ill—reputed Kundaliniyoga. The deliberately induced psychotic
state, which in certain unstable individuals might easily lead to a real
psychosis, is a danger that needs to be taken very seriously indeed.
These things really are dangerous and ought not to be meddled with in
our typically Western way. It is a meddling with fate, which strikes at
the very roots of human existence and can let loose a flood of
sufferings of which no sane person ever dreamed. These sufferings
correspond to the hellish torments of the Chönyid state, described in
the text as follows:—

Then the Lord of Death will place round thy neck a rope
and drag thee along; he will cut off thy head, tear out thy heart,
pull out thy intestines, lick up thy brain, drink thy blood, eat thy
flesh, and gnaw thy bones; but thou wilt be incapable of dying.
Even when thy body is hacked to pieces, it will revive again. The
repeated hacking will cause intense pain and torture.


These tortures aptly describe the real nature of the danger: it is a
disintegration of the wholeness of the Bardo body, which is a kind of
‘subtle body’ constituting the visible envelope of the psychic self in the
after—death state. The psychological equivalent of this
dismemberment is psychic dissociation. In its deleterious form it would
be schizophrenia (split mind).

That describes the feeling (if not the details really) of bad trips. Non-chemically induced experiences like that need extra-strong psyches.

Strengthening the psyche again finds emphasis here for people like us. Strength of the psyche when the psyche itself can't be identified. So, then, strength of the psyche from the universe, from itself, from its doppelgänger, from the supra-universe, etc.

All these exercises feel to me like worthwhile pursuits if for no other reason than it's the best way to know for sure how to navigate death.

We know more about the meta-realms than those who teach about these realms. It isn't second-hand knowledge to us.

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Descriptions of destruction of your subtle matter bodies fit description of experiences by alien abductees and shamanic initiations.

I firmly believe alien abduction phenomena is same what was before visit from fairies. Also that this phenomena is purely non physical, so like an forced etheric projection/OBE (projection in Etheric layer that is between material world and Astral) and that these beings "operate" on your etheric body. They probe you, poke you with needles, etc.

In the case of shamanic initiations, there are no needles or probing, but instead may be decapitation, disembowelment, tearing the heart out. Of course these are not literal physical experiences but it's like a feeling your are subjected to that torture. After the torture is done, shaman is "put together" and he/she starts his life anew, with the Old Knowledge.
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@Tex

Neigong is, foundationally, a physical art. My Master explains it as such:

“What is the point of strengthening the soul, or the mind, or the heart, and leaving the body behind? Would you mount the engine of a Lamborghini in a burned out Honda Civic?”

A good place to start is A Comprehensive Guide to Daoist Neigong by Damo Mitchell. The works of Mantak Chia are also extremely accessible - especially The Multi-Orgasmic Man.

However, deep study requires a mastery of traditional Chinese medicine, which can be particularly alien to the Western mind.

Good luck.
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Isn't this thread somewhat against the Bible ? I don't know the text , but I don't think the "psychonaut" type of stuff has a good influence on human beings. I would prefer to see this thread not encouraged by Roosh , but im not in his mind.
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Neither can I speak for Roosh.

Yes and no, I would say.

Recall, “To you I have given every herb, bearing seed, to eat.” Yet, I hear its echo, “The herb user shall be cut off from the people.”

As in all things it is a tenuously fine line. The way is narrow. However, there are but two commandments, and the careful soul will break neither with such explorations as these. Truly told, it was not until I began practicing the aforementioned neigong that I could bring myself to love GOD in fullness.
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(06-12-2019 01:27 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Isn't this thread somewhat against the Bible ? I don't know the text , but I don't think the "psychonaut" type of stuff has a good influence on human beings. I would prefer to see this thread not encouraged by Roosh , but im not in his mind.

This is not the Bible forum. This is the Roosh V Forum with rules that prohibit discussing premarital sex because those techniques actively flow from contributions of Roosh and you can argue that they contribute to the degradation of the world. I don't agree with those premises really but that's the rules and I respect the letter and spirit of them.

This thread is for discussing the thrills, chills and dangers of being a psychonaut.

Nothing here advocates for immorality, premarital sex, or the use of illegal drugs but rather discusses the experiences of people who have done certain substances/experiences (Roosh being in that camp) and the considerations of those who choose to do them as a matter of regularity; and discussing the means of experiencing life-beyond-life through non-chemical means.

Psychoactive substances, be it morning glory seeds or salvia (which obviously is warned against being used here) or mushrooms, are not for everyone and you can make an argument it is against the Bible.

I personally think God leads some of us to the burning bush for a reason and these things have been responsible for affirming paths that were not previously thought possible. But of course, you reap what you sow and if you abuse these things, they destroy you, because they contain a sliver of the power of God and they are not toys.

We all understand that here in this thread. And we do not define psychonaut by these terms alone.

Let me absolutely explain to you that being alive in this chaotic, disorganized, soulless world is the psychonaut experience. And death is the ultimate psychonaut experience. If you think we were put here to not experience anything but the world of flesh and spiritless physicality, I'd say you don't understand the purpose of having been born. And you absolutely do not understand the Bible. Or the religious experience that God gives us just to show us that this is not as real as His realm is.

As far as this thread's place in the new forum, we illustrate experiences that have already happened by people who do these things and go through these experiences so the rest of the forum doesn't necessarily have to. Some of us have data points to add to the world of spiritual existence and this thread adds significant value to that endeavor. Not to mention this thread has already steered multiple people from playing with certain substances they might have tried otherwise because now they know the nature and dangers of them. This thread does a concrete service to people and educates the men of this forum, many of whom are high-testosterone enough to be predisposed with experimenting with danger, on what these experiences really do to you.

You mention it is not beneficial to the human being to be a psychonaut. In that I take it you mean using psychoactive substances is bad for you physically and possibly spiritually. That premise is deeply challenged by research that shows the neuroregenerative and memory-enhancing and even test-increasing properties of popularly-used psychoactive substances. Whether they are inherently good for you comes down to the psychological dangers of these drugs, which are unpredictable and very real. And you wouldn't know any qualitative information on these dangers without threads like this and people like us.

Your appeal to Roosh not to encourage this thread is an obvious trolling move meant to weaponize and manipulate the rules to suit your sensibilities. Not to mention Roosh does not participate in or mention this thread at all as far as I am aware.

I would prefer to see your kinds of posts not encouraged by Roosh, but I'm not in his mind.

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(06-12-2019 01:27 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Isn't this thread somewhat against the Bible ? I don't know the text , but I don't think the "psychonaut" type of stuff has a good influence on human beings. I would prefer to see this thread not encouraged by Roosh , but im not in his mind.

This dude has jumped in on every thread about drugs voicing his opinion, which has now ranged all the way from "all these junkies on rvf" to "this is not biblical", bringing absolutely nothing worthwhile to the table.
Meanwhile men are pouring out advanced science and deep theories, combined with important knowledge and experiences, and all this guy has to say is "drugs are bad mkay"

Hey Sostav, heres an idea for you. STFU and stay away from topics you know nothing about.
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About 3 weeks ago i ate 7.5 grams of dried psylocibin cubensis mushrooms and went into my pitch black basement......

It was by far the most profound, spiritual, rewarding experience of my life. I literally feel like a different, better man.

I intend to return again, soon.

I will add, for 30 full days prior to my adventure, i refrained from ejaculating. I also fasted for 3 days prior drinking only water.

Durring the 30 days of semen retention prior to my trip, i cultivated my "chi" energy by meditating and envisioning the intense energy in my balls moving up my spine to my brain.

I felt so powerful, full of testosterone and vibrant virility. Clean and pure from fasting.

Then the mushrooms hit me like a nuclear bomb...

When I arrived to the spirit world, i met my spirit animal in the form of a black jaguar. I also met a female energy that was impressed with the preperation, energy, confidence and lack of fear i came with. She stayed with me and guided me through the journey. I asked her questions and she gave me answers. She also gave me answers that I didnt know I needed to hear but were much more important, Very impportant answers.

I have also experimented with training Yoga, JiuJitsu, weightlifting and language learning while on micro to moderate doses of. 3 to. 5 grams dried. I have experienced profound performance enhancing effects.

On my next trip, i will go camping and build a hut free of light, sound or stimulations and connected to the earth, free of any electronics or other energies. I will fast for 7 days and retain semen for 30 days prior.

We humans have been doing this for thousands and thousands of years....
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RE: The Ultimate Psychonaut Lounge - For Those Who Are Serious
(06-12-2019 06:21 PM)RiskIt4Biscuit Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 01:27 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Isn't this thread somewhat against the Bible ? I don't know the text , but I don't think the "psychonaut" type of stuff has a good influence on human beings. I would prefer to see this thread not encouraged by Roosh , but im not in his mind.

This dude has jumped in on every thread about drugs voicing his opinion, which has now ranged all the way from "all these junkies on rvf" to "this is not biblical", bringing absolutely nothing worthwhile to the table.
Meanwhile men are pouring out advanced science and deep theories, combined with important knowledge and experiences, and all this guy has to say is "drugs are bad mkay"

Hey Sostav, heres an idea for you. STFU and stay away from topics you know nothing about.

Wow ; you are amazing ! What a superb argumentation ! You really make me want to change my mind about drugs...
I hope you are not addict because you behave like one
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(09-11-2019 02:00 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Wow ; you are amazing ! What a superb argumentation ! You really make me want to change my mind about drugs...
I hope you are not addict because you behave like one

Psychedelics are not for everyone. Smile
I'd even say, they are for a very little portion of the population.

Don't force yourself into this world, if you enjoy your own belief system, whatever it is (no judgement).
You'd just end up wounding yourself, and you don't seem to need such thing.
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RE: The Ultimate Psychonaut Lounge - For Those Who Are Serious
(06-12-2019 03:48 PM)Tex Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 01:27 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Isn't this thread somewhat against the Bible ? I don't know the text , but I don't think the "psychonaut" type of stuff has a good influence on human beings. I would prefer to see this thread not encouraged by Roosh , but im not in his mind.

This is not the Bible forum. This is the Roosh V Forum with rules that prohibit discussing premarital sex because those techniques actively flow from contributions of Roosh and you can argue that they contribute to the degradation of the world. I don't agree with those premises really but that's the rules and I respect the letter and spirit of them.

This thread is for discussing the thrills, chills and dangers of being a psychonaut.

Nothing here advocates for immorality, premarital sex, or the use of illegal drugs but rather discusses the experiences of people who have done certain substances/experiences (Roosh being in that camp) and the considerations of those who choose to do them as a matter of regularity; and discussing the means of experiencing life-beyond-life through non-chemical means.

Psychoactive substances, be it morning glory seeds or salvia (which obviously is warned against being used here) or mushrooms, are not for everyone and you can make an argument it is against the Bible.

I personally think God leads some of us to the burning bush for a reason and these things have been responsible for affirming paths that were not previously thought possible. But of course, you reap what you sow and if you abuse these things, they destroy you, because they contain a sliver of the power of God and they are not toys.

We all understand that here in this thread. And we do not define psychonaut by these terms alone.

Let me absolutely explain to you that being alive in this chaotic, disorganized, soulless world is the psychonaut experience. And death is the ultimate psychonaut experience. If you think we were put here to not experience anything but the world of flesh and spiritless physicality, I'd say you don't understand the purpose of having been born. And you absolutely do not understand the Bible. Or the religious experience that God gives us just to show us that this is not as real as His realm is.

As far as this thread's place in the new forum, we illustrate experiences that have already happened by people who do these things and go through these experiences so the rest of the forum doesn't necessarily have to. Some of us have data points to add to the world of spiritual existence and this thread adds significant value to that endeavor. Not to mention this thread has already steered multiple people from playing with certain substances they might have tried otherwise because now they know the nature and dangers of them. This thread does a concrete service to people and educates the men of this forum, many of whom are high-testosterone enough to be predisposed with experimenting with danger, on what these experiences really do to you.

You mention it is not beneficial to the human being to be a psychonaut. In that I take it you mean using psychoactive substances is bad for you physically and possibly spiritually. That premise is deeply challenged by research that shows the neuroregenerative and memory-enhancing and even test-increasing properties of popularly-used psychoactive substances. Whether they are inherently good for you comes down to the psychological dangers of these drugs, which are unpredictable and very real. And you wouldn't know any qualitative information on these dangers without threads like this and people like us.

Your appeal to Roosh not to encourage this thread is an obvious trolling move meant to weaponize and manipulate the rules to suit your sensibilities. Not to mention Roosh does not participate in or mention this thread at all as far as I am aware.

I would prefer to see your kinds of posts not encouraged by Roosh, but I'm not in his mind.

I can only disagree with most of what you are saying but I thank you for the time and effort you put in your message .
If a lot of things in this thread can prevent people from being misinformed and harm their health it s fine. I am worried about this type of practice to become the norm.
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Well yes ; you are right with this.
I do not understand the whole thing but definitely have a bias against drugs or psychoactive substances ; it s probably because I'm an altruist that I feel bad for most of the guys posting on this thread .
For me these are unnatural things ; to alter yourself using drugs is comparable somewhat to allowing homosexuality or bisexuality ; it is some sort of disrespect for your internal/ moral life and in a way or another higher powers will punish you back... But that s just my opinion.
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(09-11-2019 03:49 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  it s probably because I'm an altruist that I feel bad for most of the guys posting on this thread .
For me these are unnatural things ; to alter yourself using drugs is comparable somewhat to allowing homosexuality or bisexuality ; it is some sort of disrespect for your internal/ moral life and in a way or another higher powers will punish you back... But that s just my opinion.
As you speak your mind, I'm going to be honest with you friend, so please don't take it badly.

I think most people (99%) following a religion are NPCs.
They didn't read entirely and with attention their sacred texts.
They didn't have any connection with a divine being, through prayers.
They are just following what their parents / friends / church guru is telling them to do and think.
In this way, they are the exact same thing as a leftist, programmed by his TV, feeling "sorry" for the nazis right wingers who are on the wrong side of history.
They are empty husks.
I don't feel sorry for them, as they don't really exist (do they even have a soul?).

To me, it's not possible to truly believe in one religion, except if you had a divine calling.
Whatever it is; it doesn't have to be an Angel coming down from the sky to teach you about God.
It doesn't have to be a Miracle saving you from an imminent death.
It doesn't have to be the sea opening up in front of you.
But it has to be something.

For example, you prayed and felt God's love all around you, so strongly that it was almost palpable.
Or you entered a Church and felt compelled to sit and listen to the preacher, as if a powerful invisible hand was pushing you.

In all humility and seriousness, in which category are you?

Psychedelics can (and will) forcefully show you what the world really is.
If you have enough consciousness to receive the message, that is to say.
You can believe the media, saying "drugs are bad m'kay", while at the same time drinking coffee, smoking, watching TV and drinking alcohol (oh the irony)...or do your own researches, have your own experiences.

Since the rise of Internet, we can't use the "I didn't know" as an excuse to our behaviour and limited intellectual preconceptions.
Information is everywhere, just at our fingertips.
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I was suspended for discussing "illegal activities" here once. But now its cool?
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(09-11-2019 03:49 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Well yes ; you are right with this.
I do not understand the whole thing but definitely have a bias against drugs or psychoactive substances ; it s probably because I'm an altruist that I feel bad for most of the guys posting on this thread .
For me these are unnatural things ; to alter yourself using drugs is comparable somewhat to allowing homosexuality or bisexuality ; it is some sort of disrespect for your internal/ moral life and in a way or another higher powers will punish you back... But that s just my opinion.

So you don't drink alcohol/coffee/tea?

As I've posted before in this thread you can be a psychonaut without using psychoactive substances too...
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Zero alcohol zero coffee although I have some tea from time to time . I am very strict and dislike any sort of psychoactive substance .Once someone told me that chocolate is also bad but I do enjoy chocolate Wink
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(09-11-2019 04:16 PM)Latan Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 03:49 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  it s probably because I'm an altruist that I feel bad for most of the guys posting on this thread .
For me these are unnatural things ; to alter yourself using drugs is comparable somewhat to allowing homosexuality or bisexuality ; it is some sort of disrespect for your internal/ moral life and in a way or another higher powers will punish you back... But that s just my opinion.
As you speak your mind, I'm going to be honest with you friend, so please don't take it badly.

I think most people (99%) following a religion are NPCs.
They didn't read entirely and with attention their sacred texts.
They didn't have any connection with a divine being, through prayers.
They are just following what their parents / friends / church guru is telling them to do and think.
In this way, they are the exact same thing as a leftist, programmed by his TV, feeling "sorry" for the nazis right wingers who are on the wrong side of history.
They are empty husks.
I don't feel sorry for them, as they don't really exist (do they even have a soul?).

To me, it's not possible to truly believe in one religion, except if you had a divine calling.
Whatever it is; it doesn't have to be an Angel coming down from the sky to teach you about God.
It doesn't have to be a Miracle saving you from an imminent death.
It doesn't have to be the sea opening up in front of you.
But it has to be something.

For example, you prayed and felt God's love all around you, so strongly that it was almost palpable.
Or you entered a Church and felt compelled to sit and listen to the preacher, as if a powerful invisible hand was pushing you.

In all humility and seriousness, in which category are you?

Psychedelics can (and will) forcefully show you what the world really is.
If you have enough consciousness to receive the message, that is to say.
You can believe the media, saying "drugs are bad m'kay", while at the same time drinking coffee, smoking, watching TV and drinking alcohol (oh the irony)...or do your own researches, have your own experiences.

Since the rise of Internet, we can't use the "I didn't know" as an excuse to our behaviour and limited intellectual preconceptions.
Information is everywhere, just at our fingertips.

Believe it or not ; I had an experience with God calling me and communicated with me and I was in my normal state. This is what pushed me into religion .
I believe like you that God speaks to you at some point ; but using psychedelics might trigger this communication in an artificial way ; I prefer to have it all naturally .
About people following religion without understanding it ; you might be right ; but I have the feeling that you feel superior to them in the way you are talking about them .
And I don't drink alcohol or coffee at all neither watch TV....
This is not a competition of who is the most healthy so I don't want to brag ; we all have our bad habits ; but I am still yet to understand how can psychedelics be healthy on long term for your health
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(09-12-2019 04:04 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Zero alcohol zero coffee although I have some tea from time to time . I am very strict and dislike any sort of psychoactive substance .Once someone told me that chocolate is also bad but I do enjoy chocolate Wink

Depending on the tea you drink it's probably caffeinated... caffeine is a psychoactive substance...

Chocolate contains Phenethylamine which is a psycho active substance... There are only traces from it in Chocolate but they are there...

If you think chemical psycho active substances are unnatural I agree wholeheartedly with you... Natural psycho active substances are, like the name implies, natural... So altering your state of consciousness with natural psycho active substances is only natural... But feel free to disagree with it, I'm pretty sure you will. I respect your opinion but I don't agree with it.

Lastly... Abusing psycho active substances is of course not good for yourself nor for your bystanders.
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Meliorare; I understand your point of view .
But let's say that we are riding the Tour de France ; and you allow doping and I don't .
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(09-12-2019 04:07 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Believe it or not ; I had an experience with God calling me and communicated with me and I was in my normal state. This is what pushed me into religion .
I believe like you that God speaks to you at some point ; but using psychedelics might trigger this communication in an artificial way ; I prefer to have it all naturally .
About people following religion without understanding it ; you might be right ; but I have the feeling that you feel superior to them in the way you are talking about them .
And I don't drink alcohol or coffee at all neither watch TV....
This is not a competition of who is the most healthy so I don't want to brag ; we all have our bad habits ; but I am still yet to understand how can psychedelics be healthy on long term for your health

Thanks for your answer.
I believe you, when you say you encountered your God.

I shouldn't have used the broad term "psychedelics", as I only know DMT (and only the N,N-Dimethyltryptamine variation, which widely differs from 5-MEO-DMT for example).
You stressed the unnatural part of such substances multiple times : DMT is naturally produced by all living creatures on Earth, including the humans, who produce it in their brains.

The only reason why you don't trip each time you eat a salad, is because DMT is destroyed in your stomach.
But you consume it each and everyday of your life.
DMT is as natural as water.

You're right, an overconsumption of any drug is unhealthy.
Take too much coffee, you'll die.
Using DMT to breakthrough more than 2 times a year, is considered a heavy utilisation for most psychonauts.
As you wouldn't take so much coffee that you'd die, a psychonaut won't take so much DMT that he'll lose himself.

Psychedelics are a natural tool for personnal growth.
Learning more about the fabric of this reality, trying to see behind this material veil, was in ancient times seen as a life long realisation.
We forgot this, in our modern society.
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