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Is it part of European culture ? I have the feeling that our ancestors never really went through such rituals at high scale ; in comparison with other cultures .

I admit I am not knowledgeable in all this but I do not see south American native cultures and African tribes / prototurkish shamanism to have produced great intellectual societies ....
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(09-12-2019 04:42 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Meliorare; I understand your point of view .
But let's say that we are riding the Tour de France ; and you allow doping and I don't .

depends... I would allow natural ephedrine by using the ephedra sinica plant, natural caffeine from coffee or tea (eg. ilex guayusa) or any other herbal stimulants

but I wouldn't allow any chemicals... those aren't natural in my book... or to use your lingo, those aren't created by God the almighty Smile
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(09-12-2019 05:06 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Is it part of European culture ? I have the feeling that our ancestors never really went through such rituals at high scale ; in comparison with other cultures .

I admit I am not knowledgeable in all this but I do not see south American native cultures and African tribes / prototurkish shamanism to have produced great intellectual societies ....

There are indications our great European civilisations used psycho active substances... Eg. the Kykeon in ancient Greece. Our beers used to be mixed with psycho active substances (our wines too) until the Bavarian Beer Act.

There are indications that our ancestors used amanita's, belladonna, henbane bell, mandrake, hemlock, wolfsbane, jimson weed, black henbane and probably a whole lot more.

Some people think that all this knowledge of the plants was eradicated by the Inquisition. I do not know if this is truly proven though.
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I don't know if it s true but I can say well done to the Inquisition
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(09-12-2019 06:25 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  I don't know if it s true but I can say well done to the Inquisition

funny how the influx of Christianity here just strengthens my believe that leaving the church/christianity was the best decision I ever made...
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Edit : deleted.
Had fun feeding the troll, now it's getting boring.
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I dream of a world where we’ve become so sophisticated as a people that the most intellectually, spiritually, religiously and masculinity-edifying drugs for people are made available without being colored by the caveats of horrific PTSD-inducing trips and addiction.

But that world would be a world where no one earns their salvation. If depression really was fixed by a pill, the meaning of depression would disappear.

Only then would we live in a world where drugs act the way people religiously opposed to drugs think they act.

These things aren’t shortcuts and they’re not even on their own the answer to anything. If they were then we wouldn’t need to be alive. The living experience is the focal point of human salvation and drugs bring the religious light animating that experience into a more proximate reach. Some people can handle that mind-bending experience of true religious knowledge with true human knowledge. Some can’t.

But I do believe eventually we will all be FORCED to choose whether we integrate these experiences in fact or continue to live in a kind of bipolar hell world where satan is constantly allowed to play his games outside the manifold of God.

The world needs people bold enough to dip their hands into this technology that nature was holding out for us the entire time. Any talk beyond that is either self-limiting or satanic, if we’re going to start pointing out the way things really are. And that always was the point of this forum anyway.

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It's not hard to go to church, pay lip service to morals and values, repent for your sins, pray however you feel like praying, sort out yourself before an understanding priest with a vested interest in keeping you coming back, and then telling everyone who looks like they're doing it wrong to you that God is not on their side.

It's hard to take psychedelics. It's hard to walk your talk. It's hard to say all these things, claim you have such-and-such a relationship with God, and then actually go to in there to see if you got it right.

You can't hide behind the excuse that these chemicals aren't just one mutation away from being completely natural neurotransmitters. You can't say the vast majority of these chemicals are physically harmful for you--or at least more harmful than Tylenol, caffeine, and the general lifestyle choice 90% of the people in the West live.

Don't come on this thread saying it's easy to take a drug when you haven't gone in the trenches and looked God in the face.

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I am against recreational use of drugs, and I don't even drink alcohol. But, I have been researching the recent evidence on psychedelics, and the evidence is becoming overwhelming that they have legitimate medical uses. They are now classified as Schedule 1 drugs, which means that they don't have any medical applications. However, this is clearly wrong and it is just a matter of time before there is legalization. Also, as a side note, my neighbor is a retired chemistry professor and gives CBD oil to his aging chihuahua for his arthritis. He also told me that these drugs can cure some types of cancer.

To show how seriously the government takes this, there is now a DARPA research program to find pscyhedelic drugs that don't cause hallucinations.

https://www.slashgear.com/darpa-seeks-ps...-13591691/

This is a fascinating paper that shows how LSD research is being used to construct a new model of the brain.

"The Entropic Brain: A Theory of Conscious States Informed by Neuroimaging Research with Psychedelic Drugs"

https://www.researchgate.net/publication...elic_Drugs

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^Yeah we’ve all known as a society that logically the drug scheduling is so completely wrong as to suggest there’s an ulterior motive involved. I actually wrote a paper on that I might post a link to on here soon.

We understand the long-term effects of LSD, mushrooms, etc. Hundreds of years of human use in some cases. The literature points to strong correlations with neurological stimulation that improves long-term memory comprehension and pattern recognition, general psychological well-being in healthy users, and increasing empathy. They also increase human growth hormone I believe (at least LSD). The LD-50 for LSD have never been concretely established in humans by any study I found convincing, and the studies that point to an LD-50 set it at very high. The toxicity profile for these substances is consistently lower than household medicines and chemicals people think are safe, like Tylenol.

The idea of looking for psychedelics that don’t cause hallucinations is ridiculous in my opinion. And we have plenty that give you a range of mild visual distortions. Very few experiences actually result in “hallucinations” as you think the term is used.

But visual distortion are a must if your goal is to bring a psychedelic experience to the user, an experience which can be described as “dissolving boundaries.” You could look for a drug that produces purely cognitive hallucinations, but what’s wrong with some pretty colors? Laugh

To save DARPA some time, substances like 2-CB (at low doses), 4-AcO-DMT, plain leaf Salvia at low doses, and maybe 2-CE would give the experience absent hallucinations or real significant visual distortions.

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Update on salvia: I got my hands on pure salvia leaf at a local shop and started using it after working out to stimulate my brain before I start working on my laptop before sleep, and it’s a very easy and pleasant experience. Contrast that to the existential hell I entered doing 60x extract of the plant.

The natural alkaloids in the plant are sufficient for a relaxing, safe, non-impairing and legal experience. You could definitely push it to enter new dimensions, but you would need to try to get there.

A lot like this but less intense (he did a lot of fresh leaf):




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Tex, how did you take the pure salvia leaf? I could only find 20-50x extract in my area. I tried both smoking it and taking it sublingually. The former was tough because I'm not used to smoking and immediately coughed it out without much effect. I didn't want to take a bigger hit. The latter had very little if any effect.

Recently, I had ayahuasca for the first time. To be on the safe side, I had only one shot even though I could have had more. It was not as intense as I had expected. On the contrary it was much more gentle than some of my strongest experiences on shrooms. In fact, out of the 18 times I've used these classical psychedelics, my top 3 most intense trips have all been shrooms, and in the strongest case with a strong side of edibles.

Despite being only of moderate intensity, the experience definitely cut deeper than my previous trips on shrooms. The most difficult part has been returning to my normal life and my office job. I think there was always a part of me that didn't like the corporate world (or academia before that), and yet I had always suppressed that part of myself so that I could continue. But now I feel that the ayahuasca experience has opened up that suppressed part of me again. I hadn't experienced this sort of life-changing effect on shrooms, despite having experienced things such as ego dissolution and near-death experiences.

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This thread is crossing the line into promoting illegal/intoxicating substances, so I will close it.

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