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(04-15-2019 10:00 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  
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(04-15-2019 08:46 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  At the end of all alleged facts, Hitler cut a deal with Stalin (Molotov/Ribbentrop) and invaded Poland.

You don't even have to get into annexation of Sudetenland and Austria.

There was no war between UK, France, and Germany until Hitler invaded Poland.

Hitler also declared war on the USA, not the other way around.

Even if for some reason you agree with his aims, Hitler was a fuck-up.

[Image: D-Express-Judea-24-03-33.gif]

Jews declaring war on Germany and the boycott of German goods happens well before WW2 or any invasions of Poland.

I missed the lesson in History where "Judea" bombed or attacked Germany on the ground in 1933. So what if Jews organized to boycott German goods? What does that have to do with invading Poland?

The Daily Express was at the time an old Tory imperial newspaper which was sympathetic to Hitler in the same way that Edward VIII / Duke of Windsor was sympathetic to him.

Anyways, German GDP per capita was growing rapidly throughout the 1930s before Hitler attacked Poland, so what was the reason for invading Poland again?

Yes, Hitler was a fuck-up.

[Image: German-GDP-per-capita-1930-1950-Groninge...Centre.png]
German GDP per capita 1930-1950.

Wasn't Poland invaded because of the brutal atrocities carried out against 10s of thousands of ethnic Germans?

Meanwhile the USA invades a desert thousands of miles away because "dangerous goat fuckers live there".
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David Irving's books on World War II are quite interesting, along similar lines (but with a bit less of the Nazi fetishism.) He's probably the most objective observer of the events that I've read, and he's got the obligatory denunciations of "Holocaust denial!" to back him up. His "Hitler's War" is on Unz's archive of free HTML books. Definitely worth a read.
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I've seen it. It's a serious white pill. Uplifting and strongly recommended.

Aaaannnd it's been taken down:

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This video contains content from BBC Studios, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."

It's laughable how desperate they are. It's just words and information. Why is this so scary?
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(04-15-2019 10:12 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  
(04-15-2019 10:00 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  
(04-15-2019 09:08 AM)Man of Truth Wrote:  
(04-15-2019 08:46 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  At the end of all alleged facts, Hitler cut a deal with Stalin (Molotov/Ribbentrop) and invaded Poland.

You don't even have to get into annexation of Sudetenland and Austria.

There was no war between UK, France, and Germany until Hitler invaded Poland.

Hitler also declared war on the USA, not the other way around.

Even if for some reason you agree with his aims, Hitler was a fuck-up.

[Image: D-Express-Judea-24-03-33.gif]

Jews declaring war on Germany and the boycott of German goods happens well before WW2 or any invasions of Poland.

I missed the lesson in History where "Judea" bombed or attacked Germany on the ground in 1933. So what if Jews organized to boycott German goods? What does that have to do with invading Poland?

The Daily Express was at the time an old Tory imperial newspaper which was sympathetic to Hitler in the same way that Edward VIII / Duke of Windsor was sympathetic to him.

Anyways, German GDP per capita was growing rapidly throughout the 1930s before Hitler attacked Poland, so what was the reason for invading Poland again?

Yes, Hitler was a fuck-up.

[Image: German-GDP-per-capita-1930-1950-Groninge...Centre.png]
German GDP per capita 1930-1950.

Wasn't Poland invaded because of the brutal atrocities carried out against 10s of thousands of ethnic Germans?

Meanwhile the USA invades a desert thousands of miles away because "dangerous goat fuckers live there".

Lol. Poland cooperated with Hitler to divide up Czechoslovakia in 1938.

Hitler then made demands for the return of Danzig to Germany and a strip across the Polish corridor, territory lost after WWI

By August 1939, Hitler and Stalin had already divided up Poland in planning for the invasion. Hitler made more demands on Danzig. The Germans staged a false flag attack before the invasion.

Look, if you love Hitler, you'll believe any bullshit to exonerate him. But Hitler was a fuck-up at best, the devil himself at worst.
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(04-15-2019 09:29 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  
(04-15-2019 03:40 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Does every historical event have to be turned into a convoluted plot? Can’t it just be possible that Hitler was an evil fuck who wanted to exterminate Jews and Slavs? I get that we’re skeptical on this forum but sometimes I gotta go with the mainstream narrative.

Good goy.

The whole Exterminating Slavs thing is a huge furphy too. I suspect invented as a divide as Slavs have traditionally endured centuries of Jewish meddling and animosity.

The German city Dresden held tens of thousands of Slavic refugees hardly the act of a leadr who wanted to exterminate them. Most of which were brutally killed in the allied intensive fire bombings.

The genocidal Holodomor not to mention the (((Bolshevik))) revolution slaughtered millions of Slavs that was ethnically and religiously motivated but as the late Alexandr Solzhenitsyn once said, the world remains ignorant and uncaring of the greatest human slaughter of all time because the media is in the hands of the perpetrators.

The worldly crimes of the Jew are buried and unchecked even illegal to investigate or at best you're branded an anti-Semite and discredited. Countless movies, tv, books, and educational curriculums on their (what's good for the Jew) version of history are pumped fervently into the masses. The ultimate victim. The free pass to do as thou wilt with impunity. The ego of the British/American hero is stroked, the contemplation that millions of Husbands, Sons and Brothers were sent to be sacrificed in horrific ways for a people who truly hated them and have conspired to bring absolute wrath and dominance upon them to this day unfathomable and so the lies are digested.
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(04-15-2019 10:21 AM)Feyoder Wrote:  I've seen it. It's a serious white pill. Uplifting and strongly recommended.

Aaaannnd it's been taken down:

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It's laughable how desperate they are. It's just words and information. Why is this so scary?

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(04-15-2019 10:25 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  Lol. Poland cooperated with Hitler to divide up Czechoslovakia in 1938.

Hitler then made demands for the return of Danzig to Germany and a strip across the Polish corridor, territory lost after WWI

By August 1939, Hitler and Stalin had already divided up Poland in planning for the invasion. Hitler made more demands on Danzig. The Germans staged a false flag attack before the invasion.

Look, if you love Hitler, you'll believe any bullshit to exonerate him. But Hitler was a fuck-up at best, the devil himself at worst.

So... there weren't atrocities against Germans in Poland?

I don't love Hitler, and I'm also skeptical of the narrative and the people who constructed it. That puts me in the middle, searching for real answers.
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(04-15-2019 10:21 AM)Feyoder Wrote:  I've seen it. It's a serious white pill. Uplifting and strongly recommended.

Aaaannnd it's been taken down:

"Video unavailable
This video contains content from BBC Studios, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."

It's laughable how desperate they are. It's just words and information. Why is this so scary?

That's absolutely insane. It's still available in America at least.

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(04-15-2019 10:21 AM)Feyoder Wrote:  I've seen it. It's a serious white pill. Uplifting and strongly recommended.

Aaaannnd it's been taken down:

"Video unavailable
This video contains content from BBC Studios, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."

It's laughable how desperate they are. It's just words and information. Why is this so scary?
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I recommend reading "Mein Kampf" as well as Hitler's "Second Book". They will not be what you expect. Both of them delve into Hitler's ideas about national socialism (a lot of it is nothing more than modern social democracy policy) as well as the future Germanic state. Much of the national socialism can be viewed as a blend of modern European social democracy blended with the kind of traditionalism advocated by certain alt-right factions and Rod Dreher's "crunchy" conservatism.

Hitler actually says very little about the Jews in "Main Kampf". However, he is adamant that the Weimar republic politicians, media leaders, and bankers are the problem with Weimar Germany. One thing that is very clear in both books is that Germany needs to be "bigger" (lebensraum) and that the additional land can come only at the expense of some other group of people (Slavic people) as he advocated making Germany into a greater European land empire based on expansion to the east.

The horrific lesson of Nazism that is far underappreciated today is how uncontrolled bureaucracy is what resulted in the holocaust as well as the intended extermination of the Slavic races. Hitler despised the Jewish elite but probably had no issues with normal middle-class Jews. However, once the bureaucracy of the SS and the camps was in place, the holocaust kept expanding until all Jews were caught up in it. It is this nature of bureaucracy that leads to the expression "the banality of evil".

It is this nature of bureaucracy we see today in the education system, the vaccine controversy in the health care system, and even in the case of Mercedes Carrera.

I believe there was a book published in the early 1970's that discussed precisely this issue. I believe it was David irving that wrote this book.
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(04-15-2019 12:22 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  I recommend reading "Mein Kampf" as well as Hitler's "Second Book". They will not be what you expect. Both of them delve into Hitler's ideas about national socialism (a lot of it is nothing more than modern social democracy policy) as well as the future Germanic state. Much of the national socialism can be viewed as a blend of modern European social democracy blended with the kind of traditionalism advocated by certain alt-right factions and Rod Dreher's "crunchy" conservatism.

Hitler actually says very little about the Jews in "Main Kampf". However, he is adamant that the Weimar republic politicians, media leaders, and bankers are the problem with Weimar Germany. One thing that is very clear in both books is that Germany needs to be "bigger" (lebensraum) and that the additional land can come only at the expense of some other group of people (Slavic people) as he advocated making Germany into a greater European land empire based on expansion to the east.

The horrific lesson of Nazism that is far underappreciated today is how uncontrolled bureaucracy is what resulted in the holocaust as well as the intended extermination of the Slavic races. Hitler despised the Jewish elite but probably had no issues with normal middle-class Jews. However, once the bureaucracy of the SS and the camps was in place, the holocaust kept expanding until all Jews were caught up in it. It is this nature of bureaucracy that leads to the expression "the banality of evil".

It is this nature of bureaucracy we see today in the education system, the vaccine controversy in the health care system, and even in the case of Mercedes Carrera.

I believe there was a book published in the early 1970's that discussed precisely this issue. I believe it was David irving that wrote this book.
What you are missing is that he may not have thought the normal class jews were the scheming ones, but you damn sure they were the ones fine with what was going on. It's more like "yeah, I know you arent directly causing this, but you're buying into it all the same with no remorse. You don't put Germany first." This is kind of why we have the same attitude toward muslims and their tolerance of the violent acts of their religion. Yeah, you aren't doing them, but you damn sure are compliant with the behavior.
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(04-15-2019 10:27 AM)Man of Truth Wrote:  
(04-15-2019 09:29 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  
(04-15-2019 03:40 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Does every historical event have to be turned into a convoluted plot? Can’t it just be possible that Hitler was an evil fuck who wanted to exterminate Jews and Slavs? I get that we’re skeptical on this forum but sometimes I gotta go with the mainstream narrative.

Good goy.

The whole Exterminating Slavs thing is a huge furphy too. I suspect invented as a divide as Slavs have traditionally endured centuries of Jewish meddling and animosity.

The German city Dresden held tens of thousands of Slavic refugees hardly the act of a leadr who wanted to exterminate them. Most of which were brutally killed in the allied intensive fire bombings.

The genocidal Holodomor not to mention the (((Bolshevik))) revolution slaughtered millions of Slavs that was ethnically and religiously motivated but as the late Alexandr Solzhenitsyn once said, the world remains ignorant and uncaring of the greatest human slaughter of all time because the media is in the hands of the perpetrators.

The worldly crimes of the Jew are buried and unchecked even illegal to investigate or at best you're branded an anti-Semite and discredited. Countless movies, tv, books, and educational curriculums on their (what's good for the Jew) version of history are pumped fervently into the masses. The ultimate victim. The free pass to do as thou wilt with impunity. The ego of the British/American hero is stroked, the contemplation that millions of Husbands, Sons and Brothers were sent to be sacrificed in horrific ways for a people who truly hated them and have conspired to bring absolute wrath and dominance upon them to this day unfathomable and so the lies are digested.

What they did to Germany after 1945 is left fallow in the public's mind for good reason, at least a million Germans died in POW camps, by wars end jnon Jewish-German people and everybody under the sun were in the work camps, in the cities the allies they kept going back for bombing after bombing run just to prove a point, to blow a hole so deep in their cultural memory and perhaps even genetic memory they'd feel even in their DNA decades later.

There are theories of genetic memory that are very reasonable, they say that Irish people still walk like with their heads stooped looking at the ground, as result of colonialism or Irish Great Famine of the 1840's.

I made this post in the holocaust thread last year:

Quote:Its the foundation myth for everything in our society, the Nazi's and the term itself became the gold standard of evil to which every controversial idea proposed is compared, and allows those opinions to be cast away.

The war in retrospect if the stories of "holocaust" camps were just work camps for ammunition/POW would make it hard to justify the war in the long view, I honestly believe it made easier to justify we were the good guys and that WE all the millions of men who died throwing themselves into gunfire, was all worth it in the face of clear evil such as mass gassings. Look at what average people know about WW1, they barely care because its just another war to them, there's no clearly defined bad guy. Its Terminator 1 to Terminator 2, WW1 is just a bit too unpolished (and eerie) for mass consumption compared to WW2.

Without the holocaust, WW2 becomes hard to explain to the ordinary person, too relativistic. Banking? Boring. Rothchild? Too complicated. Usury? What's that? The capstone or epilogue of the holocaust makes it clear that we fought for a good reason AFTER ALL the great reveal, no matter what the cost to ourselves, blows away all ambiguity. Think of it as the big blow out, the great reveal, the grand finale, that's needed, a story and tale so horrific and grueling but ultimately deep inspiring that would last the ages and would be told to your children and your children's children.

Now imagine instead returning to the Shire but you could never see the grand defeat of Sauron on screen. In fact imagine the defeat of Sauron as not grand at all, just bland hand to hand fist fights with nameless faceless cliched looking men.

That is WW2 without the holocaust.

Also Scorpions post from the thread (first page)

Quote:I will start out by saying that I have spent hundreds of hours researching this topic. That includes reading a large amount of both mainstream and revisionist scholarship. I realize this is a very controversial subject and that my views here will probably upset some people, and that some people will lose respect for me for posting this. However, I am loyal only to the truth. I believe these things because I am convinced of the truth of my research. If you disagree with me, then please, by all means correct me and change my mind. I am willing to have a debate over the facts. Now, my conclusions based on the sum of all my research into this topic:

1) The official Holocaust™ narrative ("Six million Jews were systematically murdered in gas chambers and their bodies incinerated") as it it taught and commonly believed is false. It simply did not happen. Period. There were no gas chambers.

2) What actually did happen: Millions of Jews were rounded up and sent to concentration camps both within Germany and in the occupied East. They were used for free labor during the war. Conditions during the end of the war resulted in mass starvation and disease in some of the camps. This is where the terrible and iconic Holocaust pictures come from (although no one ever stops to think how people who were supposedly gassed within hours of getting off the train had months to sit around and become emaciated through starvation).

3) Stories of gas chambers emerged and were passed around by hysterical prisoners. Rumors went wild. That's very typical during wartime and in low information environment.

4) Following the war, the persecution of the Jews (which inarguably happened - they did suffer tremendously under the Nazis) was wildly exaggerated and the Holocaust narrative was pushed as justification for the establishment of a Zionist state in Palestine. The Holocaust thus became the justification and the founding myth for the State of Israel. This is the most important thing to understand. This is the motive behind the lies and distortion, and is the reason that Holocaust revision is criminal today. If the Holocaust narrative did not happen as they say it did, the Jews know that the entire justification for the existence of Israel is called into question, and the very real crimes they committed during the 1948 war (and the crimes they continue to perpetuate today against the Palestinians) will be inexcusable.

5) There is no Holocaust conspiracy. At this point almost 100% of people who push the official Holocaust narrative actually believe it wholeheartedly. The Holocaust functions as a quasi-religious belief in today's secular society. It is especially important among secular Jews as a socially binding belief. I want to emphasize that again: the Holocaust is a religious belief that binds Jews together. With the invention of the Holocaust myth, the Jews essentially turned themselves as a group into their own Christ - the six million Jews who were sacrificed in order that the rest of the Jews might live (Israel). This is the other reason why the Holocaust narrative is defended so vociferously: it is not a matter of historical debate for these people. It is their religion.

6) Laws against Holocaust denial give the game away: obviously you do not need to pass laws to question historical events. That's like passing a law against questioning the sunrise. You only pass laws to stop people from asking heretical questions. And being a religious belief, any questioning of the Holocaust is therefore heresy and is treated as such.

7) Most people in the West today - including non-Jews - have been utterly brainwashed to regard the Holocaust in religious terms and never question any aspect of it. This programming runs extremely deep. It's very difficult to get people to discuss this topic rationally without getting angry. You would think that telling people that six million innocent Jews did not actually get murdered in horrific fashion would be good news. But you would be wrong. In fact, if you tell people that, they get extremely upset and call you an anti-Semite.





Ernst Zundel couldn't get his mail delivered to his house in Canada in the 80's (which means bills and your livelihood are screwed in those days), the Canadian Schaefer siblings locked up recently for questioning, the sister travelled to Germany and was picked up by the police after making a Youtube video in Canada about it:





the 80 something well German spoken woman thrown in prison....the list goes on.



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(04-15-2019 11:09 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  
(04-15-2019 10:25 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  Lol. Poland cooperated with Hitler to divide up Czechoslovakia in 1938.

Hitler then made demands for the return of Danzig to Germany and a strip across the Polish corridor, territory lost after WWI

By August 1939, Hitler and Stalin had already divided up Poland in planning for the invasion. Hitler made more demands on Danzig. The Germans staged a false flag attack before the invasion.

Look, if you love Hitler, you'll believe any bullshit to exonerate him. But Hitler was a fuck-up at best, the devil himself at worst.

So... there weren't atrocities against Germans in Poland?

I don't love Hitler, and I'm also skeptical of the narrative and the people who constructed it. That puts me in the middle, searching for real answers.

No, there were not atrocities against Germans in Poland.
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(04-15-2019 01:36 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  
(04-15-2019 11:09 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  
(04-15-2019 10:25 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  Lol. Poland cooperated with Hitler to divide up Czechoslovakia in 1938.

Hitler then made demands for the return of Danzig to Germany and a strip across the Polish corridor, territory lost after WWI

By August 1939, Hitler and Stalin had already divided up Poland in planning for the invasion. Hitler made more demands on Danzig. The Germans staged a false flag attack before the invasion.

Look, if you love Hitler, you'll believe any bullshit to exonerate him. But Hitler was a fuck-up at best, the devil himself at worst.

So... there weren't atrocities against Germans in Poland?

I don't love Hitler, and I'm also skeptical of the narrative and the people who constructed it. That puts me in the middle, searching for real answers.

No, there were not atrocities against Germans in Poland.

The documentary in the OP states at 1:11:30 that a total of 58,000 Germans were slaughtered in Danzig and Bromberg in the weeks leading up to the invasion. I read also somewhere that the number is exaggerated, but so isn't a bunch of shit coming from the other side concerning the official narrative.

With some things we can honestly never be sure who's telling the absolute truth.
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(04-15-2019 10:12 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  
(04-15-2019 10:00 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  
(04-15-2019 09:08 AM)Man of Truth Wrote:  
(04-15-2019 08:46 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  At the end of all alleged facts, Hitler cut a deal with Stalin (Molotov/Ribbentrop) and invaded Poland.

You don't even have to get into annexation of Sudetenland and Austria.

There was no war between UK, France, and Germany until Hitler invaded Poland.

Hitler also declared war on the USA, not the other way around.

Even if for some reason you agree with his aims, Hitler was a fuck-up.

[Image: D-Express-Judea-24-03-33.gif]

Jews declaring war on Germany and the boycott of German goods happens well before WW2 or any invasions of Poland.

I missed the lesson in History where "Judea" bombed or attacked Germany on the ground in 1933. So what if Jews organized to boycott German goods? What does that have to do with invading Poland?

The Daily Express was at the time an old Tory imperial newspaper which was sympathetic to Hitler in the same way that Edward VIII / Duke of Windsor was sympathetic to him.

Anyways, German GDP per capita was growing rapidly throughout the 1930s before Hitler attacked Poland, so what was the reason for invading Poland again?

Yes, Hitler was a fuck-up.

[Image: German-GDP-per-capita-1930-1950-Groninge...Centre.png]
German GDP per capita 1930-1950.

Wasn't Poland invaded because of the brutal atrocities carried out against 10s of thousands of ethnic Germans?

Meanwhile the USA invades a desert thousands of miles away because "dangerous goat fuckers live there".


Poland and Germany had a dispute over Danzig. Hitler didn't want a war against the West, or even with Poland. The main drive for WW2 was from key Allies figures like Churchill.

Pat Buchanan did a good job of documenting this in this book, he goes over the Polish/Danzig issue 9 min into this interview:

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(04-15-2019 10:27 AM)Man of Truth Wrote:  The whole Exterminating Slavs thing is a huge furphy too. I suspect invented as a divide as Slavs have traditionally endured centuries of Jewish meddling and animosity.

No it seems true if you replace the word Slavs with "natives".

The whole period from the Bolshevik communists (who wiped out native Russians, Ukrainians etc) to National Zionist WW2 which wiped out native Poles, native Germans, native Balts as part of war... seems to imply that exterminating the Slavs was true, but not only the Slavs! ALL natives were thinned out, had their power taken away from their native homelands and were replaced with foreign run governments.

Stalin was not Russian... Hitler was not German...

And out of all this war, death and destruction, only one group of non-native people were rounded up and protected in ghettos or "concentration camps" while the war raged on, then shipped off to a whole new country. That's some specially chosen treatment right there. WTF?

So yeah, the war WAS about Jews. The war WAS about killing off Slavs... but not only. Did native Germans collectively get the blame because of Hitler's National Zionist sponsored deception and mind-fuckery? Who knows.

FYI, I haven't seen that documentary. Does it explain any of this?

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(04-15-2019 12:22 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  I recommend reading "Mein Kampf" as well as Hitler's "Second Book". They will not be what you expect. Both of them delve into Hitler's ideas about national socialism (a lot of it is nothing more than modern social democracy policy) as well as the future Germanic state. Much of the national socialism can be viewed as a blend of modern European social democracy blended with the kind of traditionalism advocated by certain alt-right factions and Rod Dreher's "crunchy" conservatism.

Hitler actually says very little about the Jews in "Main Kampf". However, he is adamant that the Weimar republic politicians, media leaders, and bankers are the problem with Weimar Germany. One thing that is very clear in both books is that Germany needs to be "bigger" (lebensraum) and that the additional land can come only at the expense of some other group of people (Slavic people) as he advocated making Germany into a greater European land empire based on expansion to the east.

Replace "National Socialism" (NaZi) with (inter)National Zionism and you get the current year, no?

The "Lebensraum" exists as "globalism", and socialism is obviously in effect worldwide, just not on the national scale but INTERNATIONAL.

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(04-15-2019 03:48 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  
Quote:Everything you know about the World War II is WRONG. Most history books are ready to acknowledge that WWII was continuation of the unresolved issues of WWI. This book goes farther to explain that both wars were incited by British finance capitalists and industrialists to destroy Germany as a competitor to the British Empire. WWII was just to finish the job. The story unfolds that Germany was becoming an economic powerhouse with a growing colonial system after the country was united under Bismark. Germany was beginning to step on the British economy. Germany was wrongly blamed for starting WWI, and the Treaty of Versailles ruined the country. German people were forced into starvation and poverty by the terms of the Treaty

My Dad had a lady come in from time to time to clean the house while my Grandmother went back to work after she had her 7 kids. This woman grew-up in Germany during the war. She said just about everything that this guy is saying, except for more of a bent on British conspiracies. This also includes that Poland actually did start the war, with the help from MI-6. Russia started the Second Front, FDR and Churchill conspired to have Pear Harbor Bombed, and the Holocaust was a complete myth. Operation Valkyrie was a propaganda hoax, etc. Everyone though that she was brainwashed, and was still parroting the narrative that she grew up on.

I would not say that the history of WWII, like any major event, is as cut and dry as you read it in history books. However, lobbing accusations like these, I want to see a lot more proof than just a few documents dug up, especially when Propaganda was used by both sides so heavily during that time.

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Poland was the trigger for a long standing Anglo Zionist plan to cut Germany down to size. The Poles massacred thousands of ethnic Germans in Bromberg,formerly W Prussia til the Versailles Treaty, forcing Hitler to act.

Quote:This german catholic priest of the Church of the sacred Heart of Bromberg (today: Bydgoszcz/Poland) in silent prayer in front of the bodies of massacred ethnic-german civilians, Bromberg september 3rd-5th 1939.
http://http://www.ww2incolor.com/dramatic/prst-bl.html

Also Gen Smygly Rydz,Polish dictator actually wanted to recreate a Polish empire-having bullied Lithuania and Czechoslovakia he accepted Western security guarantees against Germany and acted against their citizens. Hitler was wiling to bend over backwards!
Quote:At one point, Hitler had even agreed to give up claims to western Prussia in exchange for the return of Danzig and a 1-mile wide highway - railway passage linking Germany to eastern Prussia.
http://http://www.tomatobubble.com/smigly_rydz.html

Millions of non ethnic Germans served btw;even blacks-one may have been KIA just outside Stalingrad with an SS unit but I can't confirm.

These inconvenient facts force a complete rewrite of world war 2 and all post war Euro history!


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(04-15-2019 01:23 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  What they did to Germany after 1945 is left fallow in the public's mind for good reason, at least a million Germans died in POW camps, by wars end jnon Jewish-German people and everybody under the sun were in the work camps, in the cities the allies they kept going back for bombing after bombing run just to prove a point, to blow a hole so deep in their cultural memory and perhaps even genetic memory they'd feel even in their DNA decades later.

There are theories of genetic memory that are very reasonable, they say that Irish people still walk like with their heads stooped looking at the ground, as result of colonialism or Irish Great Famine of the 1840's.

I made this post in the holocaust thread last year:

Quote:Its the foundation myth for everything in our society, the Nazi's and the term itself became the gold standard of evil to which every controversial idea proposed is compared, and allows those opinions to be cast away.

The war in retrospect if the stories of "holocaust" camps were just work camps for ammunition/POW would make it hard to justify the war in the long view, I honestly believe it made easier to justify we were the good guys and that WE all the millions of men who died throwing themselves into gunfire, was all worth it in the face of clear evil such as mass gassings. Look at what average people know about WW1, they barely care because its just another war to them, there's no clearly defined bad guy. Its Terminator 1 to Terminator 2, WW1 is just a bit too unpolished (and eerie) for mass consumption compared to WW2.

Without the holocaust, WW2 becomes hard to explain to the ordinary person, too relativistic. Banking? Boring. Rothchild? Too complicated. Usury? What's that? The capstone or epilogue of the holocaust makes it clear that we fought for a good reason AFTER ALL the great reveal, no matter what the cost to ourselves, blows away all ambiguity. Think of it as the big blow out, the great reveal, the grand finale, that's needed, a story and tale so horrific and grueling but ultimately deep inspiring that would last the ages and would be told to your children and your children's children.

Now imagine instead returning to the Shire but you could never see the grand defeat of Sauron on screen. In fact imagine the defeat of Sauron as not grand at all, just bland hand to hand fist fights with nameless faceless cliched looking men.

That is WW2 without the holocaust.

I think their original intent was to completely exterminate the Germans. There was a lot of propaganda coming from Russian and American Jews stressing the urgency of wiping the Germans off the map down to the last man woman and child.

They must have realized at some point the Holocaust industry would be more beneficial to their greater plans perfectly disguising and shielding their evil machinations.
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I haven't yet had the time to see the entire series. A glance at the first episode seems to indicate a lot of footage stitched together from other documentaries, with scrolling text and robotic narration added. I don't want to be a tattle-tale, but I'm surprised the makers or contributors to those films haven't moved to shut this down. All the astroturf reviews on IMDB (uniform in length, tone, 10/10 score, etc.) are pretty funny too. This seems to be made for the easily impressionable disaffected folks out there. There are probably similar films (or at least books) by communists about how Stalin did nothing wrong.

Having said all that, I do think that after all this time, WW2 needs to be looked at in a more sober, analytical way. Right now it's impossible to discuss it honestly because it's invariably connected to the Holocaust, or to emotionally charged narratives like the plucky resistance of the British, the perfidious attack on Pearl Harbor, etc. Mainstream historiography (and derivative documentaries, Hollywood films, etc.) will never do this because there are no commercial benefits while there are great political risks involved in trying to discuss the war honestly.

So while I'm not holding out for it, I would very much like to see more mainstream coverage of WW2 stripped down to its essence: to treat it as essentially the great rebellion of Central Europe against the maritime powers and Russia, comparing and contrasting it with WW1 or even the Napoleonic Wars. To understand the calculation by Churchill to make the UK subservient to America. To understand that FDR was planning war with Germany and Japan. To acknowledge that the Western Allies delivered Eastern Europe to the tender mercies of Stalin (this, at least, became permissible in public discussion since the Cold War). To talk about the social consequences of the destruction of the European powers, which arguably led to the revolutionary spirit taking over in France, the UK, and (West) Germany in the 1960s. To acknowledge that Hitler would have gone down in history as a great reformer if he'd stopped after Bohemia.

All of these are uncomfortable truths but they can be discussed without even touching on Holocaust revisionism or anything like that, and yet it's not happening, because it would destroy one of the greatest narratives underpinning oligarchic power today.

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(04-16-2019 04:22 AM)wwsd Wrote:  Having said all that, I do think that after all this time, WW2 needs to be looked at in a more sober, analytical way.

This is it. 75 years later, we should be able to cast a dispassionate historian's eye over these awful times.

But if anything, it's getting even harder to discuss this stuff objectively. As soon as you raise the possibility that the official narrative we've all grown up with should be examined in more detail, people (even on here) somehow equate that with 'he's saying Hitler was a good guy!!'. It's bizarre, but it still continues to happen.

I just wish I could find more mainstream historians that would get involved. I don't want to be spoon-fed history, but neither do I want to be subjected to revisionism.

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(04-15-2019 10:12 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  
(04-15-2019 10:00 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  
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(04-15-2019 08:46 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  At the end of all alleged facts, Hitler cut a deal with Stalin (Molotov/Ribbentrop) and invaded Poland.

You don't even have to get into annexation of Sudetenland and Austria.

There was no war between UK, France, and Germany until Hitler invaded Poland.

Hitler also declared war on the USA, not the other way around.

Even if for some reason you agree with his aims, Hitler was a fuck-up.

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Jews declaring war on Germany and the boycott of German goods happens well before WW2 or any invasions of Poland.

I missed the lesson in History where "Judea" bombed or attacked Germany on the ground in 1933. So what if Jews organized to boycott German goods? What does that have to do with invading Poland?

The Daily Express was at the time an old Tory imperial newspaper which was sympathetic to Hitler in the same way that Edward VIII / Duke of Windsor was sympathetic to him.

Anyways, German GDP per capita was growing rapidly throughout the 1930s before Hitler attacked Poland, so what was the reason for invading Poland again?

Yes, Hitler was a fuck-up.

[Image: German-GDP-per-capita-1930-1950-Groninge...Centre.png]
German GDP per capita 1930-1950.

Wasn't Poland invaded because of the brutal atrocities carried out against 10s of thousands of ethnic Germans?

Meanwhile the USA invades a desert thousands of miles away because "dangerous goat fuckers live there".

Dangerous goat fuckers that the Deep State USA trains, funds, embellishes with weapons and welcomes into the mother land.
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In the historical debate, I'm on these guys' side.

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(04-16-2019 05:35 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  In the historical debate, I'm on these guys' side.

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No one here has anything against the men who served in ww2 for the US. I have relatives that died there. That has jack shit to do with the men behind the curtains pulling the strings without a fuck to give for the men actually fighting and dying. You know this, but you only want to acknowledge what makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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