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(06-06-2019 12:56 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  Nothing wrong settling down with a chick in her mid to late 20s, even 30-32 is ok if she hasn't ridden the carousel too hard.
If you settle down with a woman, who isn't virgin, your marriage has a 50 % chance to fail with you losing everything.

Quote:As big a problem though is when older guys tell younger guys that your SMV peaks at 38
It peaks in the 40s.

Quote:and that it'll be easy at that time to settle down with a young chick
Young chicks don't settle down. You can have fun with them, but that's it.

Quote:Instead, most guys on the forum are lamenting that they want to settle down but all they are finding are desperate 36 year olds that are finally ready to get married and have kids.
Exactly, the coin has two sides. Fertile, high quality women ready to create a family simply became unavailable in this broken society.

Quote:I'm 50 and I'll be an empty nester next year and I'm glad for it. There's no way I would have energy to have small children at my age.
That it's not your job as a man, it's your wifes task. This is another problem with modern degeneracy: All this equality bullshit.

Quote:Telling young guys who want to eventually settle down to wait until they're almost 40 is as bad of advice as telling them to get married at 22.
It's not about "wait". It's about doing something other, more important than chasing plates. And when the time is right, let them come on their own and qualify them hard.

Guys now being 40 are in the wrong time and place for tradcon stuff, simple as that. But for guys now being 20 the world will look entirely different 15-25 years from now. They have no reason to follow boomer advice and get locked down with today's 20 years old carousel riders. This generation of women is lost, wait for the next one.
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RE: Dangers of "Settling Down" at 40+
No guy lusts over a 30 year old experienced woman. They lust over 18 year old fertile inexperienced virgins. Thats the holy grail.

On that same token, no woman, given the option, gets wet over a 20 year old dude with high school game and dad’s money.

Best example I can give is that movie (Legend) with Tom Hardy where he’s an english gangster; he rolls up to a girl’s house in a nice suit, appearing to be in his 30s, and pulls the young girl with ease. Its yin and yang; young, feminine, and submissive strongly attracts older, masculine, and dominant. Can’t argue biology.

No way would I have been able to pull the kind of women I could get now in my early 20s.

Of course this only applies to guys that actually reach that level of SMV in older age; most dont. Most are fat, balding, and not nearly as wealthy as they should be, and have no game. So for most, none of this applies.
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(06-06-2019 01:52 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  Of course this only applies to guys that actually reach that level of SMV in older age; most dont. Most are fat, balding, and not nearly as wealthy as they should be, and have no game. So for most, none of this applies.

I'm the handsome, well-dressed musician type, and relatively poor (artistry doesn't win much bread). I don't pull every girl, but there is a certain demographic, which can't resist.
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(06-06-2019 11:15 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
Quote:- Finding a 25-30 quality female in the west is extremely hard. You can get lucky...but odds are you won't. I am not rich too.
Why do you want to find a post-wall woman?

Quote:I have met a girl...and she would qualify as wife material. She passed all my red flags tests during the two first dates... but she was 36. I felt like she wanted to have kids so bad. She brought that up after our second date.
So that's a huge red flag.

Would you consider 25-30 as post wall already?
I would be very content with 25. I can go till 30 if they managed to stay in shape..and are of quality.

I would more pickier if I had a 1% SMV...but I've got to work with what I have right now...

36 year old wanting kids so bad is indeed a huge red flag. That's why I walked away.
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^All women above a certain age, want kids.

I don't see why that is a huge red flag.

Alot of women will keep it quiet, but at least you know up front what she wants.

I know women who contacted me when they were close to 40, looking to have kids.

Most of us are regular dudes, to think you are going to meet this perfect woman is not realistic.

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(06-06-2019 01:37 PM)wwtl Wrote:  
(06-06-2019 12:56 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  Nothing wrong settling down with a chick in her mid to late 20s, even 30-32 is ok if she hasn't ridden the carousel too hard.
If you settle down with a woman, who isn't virgin, your marriage has a 50 % chance to fail with you losing everything.

Quote:As big a problem though is when older guys tell younger guys that your SMV peaks at 38
It peaks in the 40s.

Quote:and that it'll be easy at that time to settle down with a young chick
Young chicks don't settle down. You can have fun with them, but that's it.

Quote:Instead, most guys on the forum are lamenting that they want to settle down but all they are finding are desperate 36 year olds that are finally ready to get married and have kids.
Exactly, the coin has two sides. Fertile, high quality women ready to create a family simply became unavailable in this broken society.

Quote:I'm 50 and I'll be an empty nester next year and I'm glad for it. There's no way I would have energy to have small children at my age.
That it's not your job as a man, it's your wifes task. This is another problem with modern degeneracy: All this equality bullshit.

Quote:Telling young guys who want to eventually settle down to wait until they're almost 40 is as bad of advice as telling them to get married at 22.
It's not about "wait". It's about doing something other, more important than chasing plates. And when the time is right, let them come on their own and qualify them hard.

Guys now being 40 are in the wrong time and place for tradcon stuff, simple as that. But for guys now being 20 the world will look entirely different 15-25 years from now. They have no reason to follow boomer advice and get locked down with today's 20 years old carousel riders. This generation of women is lost, wait for the next one.

Your a newbie, yet you are breaking down posts like you are the expert.

Leonard is a respected member and is married. I would listen to someone who talks from experience over a newbie.

How old are you?

Let's not paint a pretty picture which is not realistic.

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(06-06-2019 04:11 PM)mehdreamer Wrote:  Would you consider 25-30 as post wall already?
Yes, I consider age 24 the wall, at least for marriage material. It's when fertility and egg quality starts declining sharply. And in modern times it takes a while, before you start making kids, and she doesn't get younger while doing LTR-building.

Quote:I would more pickier if I had a 1% SMV...but I've got to work with what I have right now...
Sometimes I generalize from my perspective as a white man. Everything I said about peak SMV and the age range might be entirely different for Non-Caucasians. So take it with a grain of salt.
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(06-06-2019 04:21 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Your a newbie, yet you are breaking down posts like you are the expert.
I registered on this forum, once it turned Christian, but I'm neither a newbie to the Internet nor to the concept of alt.seduction.fast.

Quote:Leonard is a respected member and is married. I would listen to someone who talks from experience over a newbie.
When I was young I listened to married people telling me it's just a matter of time until little wwtl finds his perfect match to marry and procreate with. Then the communist shithole fell apart and so did the entire society I grew up in. Shit hit the fan, especially in the dating market and all advice I got was so useless, that it took years to figure it out.

With such a history the argumentum ad verecundiam doesn't stick anymore. I'm not a convert walking with the Lord, because I listened to respected authorities, quite the opposite.
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(06-06-2019 04:21 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Your a newbie, yet you are breaking down posts like you are the expert.

Leonard is a respected member and is married. I would listen to someone who talks from experience over a newbie.

How old are you?

Let's not paint a pretty picture which is not realistic.


I'm not saying Leonard is or isn't right, but it's pretty ignorant to "listen to someone talks from experience" that you've never met in person and you only know as an internet username. For all you know he might be a virgin living in his mother's basement, regurgitating advice he's heard elsewhere. This is unlikely, but we're talking about internet personas here..

But yeah, I agree with you that wwtl's posts make him sound young and inexperienced
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How many posts has Leonard written and how long has he been here, so yes he could be a basement dweller and so could I for that matter.

However, a ton of people have met me and I'm not shying away from anyone.

At age 20 you are at your physical prime, no one is advocating getting married at that age. Not for a man at least and it would be hard to wife up a girl at that age.

What I am saying is that 40 is the perfect age, I myself have mild regret not doing it at that age.

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wwtl. Sounds like some Christian radio station from Zanesville Ohio.

I can confirm that Rudebwoy is not a basement dweller. Well wait he probably sneaked some of his girlfriends down to his Mom's basement when he was 20.
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(06-06-2019 04:19 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^All women above a certain age, want kids.

I don't see why that is a huge red flag.

Alot of women will keep it quiet, but at least you know up front what she wants.

I know women who contacted me when they were close to 40, looking to have kids.

Most of us are regular dudes, to think you are going to meet this perfect woman is not realistic.

It's also why relationships can be expected to eventually end unless there are kids.
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This whole talk of male SMV "peak" is relative to the age of the woman you aim to settle down with.

@wwtl, male SMV peak is not after 40/45 unless you want "leftover" women over the age of 25/30. Male SMV peak is 35 for quality women of ages 18-24.

Certainly you could find a basic rural Philippino woman aged 20 if you're a 45 year old guy, but for all white countries including EE a 25 year age gap would be an anomaly, especially if you're looking for quality.
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I'm not sure what wwtl's arguments are because my eyes no longer register posts with multiple quote bubbles. It's become like an ingrained "ignore post" feature. No offence wwtl. Stop doing it. It's awful. Are people supposed to reply to your posts by breaking them down so there are now two bubbles and a reply per sentence? Don't do it, man. Just reply to the post as a whole.

Anyway, on another note guys saying "my dad did x" really ought to be providing a time machine back to the 70's or 80's or whatever decade it was that their dad made it to 50 and wifed up someone nice. Just like the Boomers are ridiculed for saying "just get a degree and start buying houses" when it comes to finance, if you take their advice of "have fun until 50 and then just find someone nice to settle down with" then you're going to be disappointed.

God only knows what things are going to be like for pair bonding in ten or twenty years. There's a slim chance they'll be better but I suspect they'll be probably be much, much worse. Unless your projected income and assets are bulletproof then you can't be relying on that necessarily either.

The generational rhythm is that you become a father at around 25 and a grandfather around 50. Modern medical care can stretch that to 30/60. Average male life expectancy is heading to about 80 in the West (but a severe depression would drop that like a rock) meaning that assuming your first son follows in your footsteps then your first grandson would be 30 by the time you died if you married and produced an heir at 25. If you waited 5 years (and so did your son) then your first grandson would be 20 when you fell off the perch.

This stuff is no joke. There are enormous benefits to having grandparents present in a tribal unit that relate to the well being of your sons and grandsons. Becoming senile or requiring extensive care at the same time your son is beginning to bring children of his own into the world is an enormous burden that turns you from the anchor of the family to its destroyer.

That this kind of situation is now seen as "normal" is simply an example of how far our societies have fallen.

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I am about to turn 44 and starting my second career, for me personally I have no problem finding women 22-25 but I am in great shape and above average height. It was easier to do 10 years ago, but it is still possible now- my biggest obstacle is my work and lack of free time. 18- 21 year old women are available, but they are flaky and have no incentive to obey and submit the way I desire and they are all latinas/afro Caribbean women from lower middle class homes and mostly products of single parent homes- they also are all social media addicts and will only put down their smartphone to look at their smartwatches . I am leaving this country to find a woman if I want to start a family, I hear Georgia and Ukraine are a nice place to start.....

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(06-07-2019 07:23 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The generational rhythm is that you become a father at around 25 and a grandfather around 50.
The average age of new fathers (first born child) is 35 over here and this already includes young Muslims with arranged marriages with import virgins skewing the numbers down, there is no upper limit.

This is not a wish or proposal, it's reality recorded in the census.
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My observation with women in their 30s is that the gold digging is paradoxically far worse once they're looking to settle down. Of course I'm not bothering with post-wall women which probably has a lot to do with it, but every time I mention I'm job hunting that kills the conversation. And I'm not about to bring a brokerage account statement to convince some dried out ex-slut otherwise.
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(06-07-2019 08:46 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  My observation with women in their 30s is that the gold digging is paradoxically far worse once they're looking to settle down. Of course I'm not bothering with post-wall women which probably has a lot to do with it, but every time I mention I'm job hunting that kills the conversation. And I'm not about to bring a brokerage account statement to convince some dried out ex-slut otherwise.

Yes. It also means that men in their 40's who know the game are able to exploit this aspect of gold digging women in their 30's for free and easy sex.

Women desperate to nest who are in their 30's are almost comically easy to manipulate. Its almost as if all their years of experience blowing off men and ladder climbing relationships was for nothing as their wombs begin to shrivel.

Perhaps a woman's uterus is as attached to their brains as they like to joke that a man's brain is connected to his dick. Ha.
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(06-07-2019 08:46 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  My observation with women in their 30s is that the gold digging is paradoxically far worse once they're looking to settle down. Of course I'm not bothering with post-wall women which probably has a lot to do with it, but every time I mention I'm job hunting that kills the conversation. And I'm not about to bring a brokerage account statement to convince some dried out ex-slut otherwise.
I'm in the situation, that I moved worldly goals to chase (job, house, car, boat, lots of notches) to the bottom of my priorities to spend time in solitude living a frugal lifestyle seeking answers.

In the end I found the answer (logos).

Though I planned this journey being about five years long, but it took me fifteen years instead. So now I found Christ, but all the other credentials of a beta provider are missing.

Do I regret this? Should I have gotten lots notches instead? It was the only way and it was my own way.
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(06-07-2019 02:50 PM)wwtl Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 07:23 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The generational rhythm is that you become a father at around 25 and a grandfather around 50.
The average age of new fathers (first born child) is 35 over here and this already includes young Muslims with arranged marriages with import virgins skewing the numbers down, there is no upper limit.

This is not a wish or proposal, it's reality recorded in the census.

That's only true in civilized countries. In asia and Africa they breed young.
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(06-08-2019 02:50 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  In asia and Africa they breed young.
And starve to death.
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Women of all ages want a man they respect, value and admire.

Women in the age group of :

18-24 want the cool, good looking, popular guy who their friends approve of.

25-30 want a man with a plan who is going places, has vision and goals.

30 plus want a man who has arrived. He doesn’t need to figure things out or discover who he is or where he is going.

These are generalizations in America. Abroad, depending on the country there is more fluidity. With that said, times are changing in places like Eastern Europe. It’s a global dating market and women are delaying marriage and long term commitments to travel and enjoy their twenties, thus delaying having children. Most women at 18 don’t want to settle down, not even your dream virgin Russian village girl.

The biggest issue I see with older guys is they have been brainwashed by the PUA community to NEXT a girl if they aren’t being “compliant” or show some natural human flaws. Life is difficult for everyone, even the hot girl who seems to be coasting through life. I assure you that they too have real problems. Accepting human weaknesses is one big lesson I have learned. As long as those weaknesses aren’t pathological, don’t write off a woman who is just struggling on her path. This compliance and “next her “ stuff needs to be thought through from a larger perspective.
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If your over 40 all hope is lost, once you hit 40 you have two choices, live the next 40 years or so, if you live that long in agonising loneliness with only memories of 'the good old days' to keep you company. Or just end it there and then.

Your only chance might be to wife up a woman from a far flung province in the Philippines where they dont have the internet yet because the buff young chads have all Pinnays even on lock down now, or if your lucky you might still be able to snag a solid 2 something like this.

   


Lets not sugar coat it gentlemen if you have not settled down by 40 your life may as well be over.
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(06-08-2019 04:33 AM)kazz Wrote:  If your over 40 all hope is lost, once you hit 40 you have two choices, live the next 40 years or so, if you live that long in agonising loneliness with only memories of 'the good old days' to keep you company. Or just end it there and then.

Your only chance might be to wife up a woman from a far flung province in the Philippines where they dont have the internet yet because the buff young chads have all Pinnays even on lock down now, or if your lucky you might still be able to snag a solid 2 something like this.




Lets not sugar coat it gentlemen if you have not settled down by 40 your life may as well be over.

If that was an attempt at sarcastic humour, good one. If not, do we have an award for stupidest post of the day?
In case of the latter I'm guessing kazz is either very young or over 40 but feeling like a total failure and projecting that onto the rest of us.
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Nah, I know a 45 y/o guy who consistently bangs chicks half his age, although exclusively through online game. He has aged well and is in good shape and has his money on lock. So it’s possible if you took care of your body and are not a loser. However I do wonder how the next decade or so pans out for him woman-wise. I think he would like to settle down but he’s been through so many chicks that she would probably have to be a submissive bonafide 10/10
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