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(05-08-2019 07:41 AM)ArcticTraveler Wrote:  
(05-08-2019 05:16 AM)ChefAllDay Wrote:  
(05-08-2019 02:27 AM)ArcticTraveler Wrote:  Try starting at a church or maybe some mainstream cultural event such as at a museum or some "old world ethnic" day and so forth.

Dude, that's brilliant. Every tier 1-3 city in NA has huge ethnic groups that do regular events.

There's a good chance women involved in that kind of know how to cook adding a bonus.

Seconded, this is brilliant thinking outside the box and something I'll have to try. Girls connected to their family and by extention culture tend to be much higher quality.

(05-10-2019 03:13 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  There are so many hot, young, fit girls in the NYC-NJ-PA-DE area it's not even funny.

Miami has a ton. Houston has plenty. Vegas.

Most of the guys complaining don't have the game to get hot girls, so they blame 'american women' or something else that excuses their lack of skills/talents.

No hot girls where you live? Move.

I did.

Hot young and fit does not necessarily mean LTR/marriage material. Sadly in those cities it tends to expedite their journey on the road to utter irredeemable skankdom.

On this thread I think there's some great insight but also seems to be a lot of despair, God knows I'm more guilty of that than most. We know things are getting worse, much worse. But there are those of us here who still wish to rage against the dying of the light.

America is indeed bad, but it's a big place with a wide range of girls, and as someone who has travelled all over the world, trust me with the instant validation of the Internet it's getting worse everywhere and location arbitrage isn't necessarily the solution, or at least any advantages that might exist if you aren't from that culture /place are quickly fading. The poz is spreading and I think we can all feel that we're one major economic downturn away from unimaginable chaos, as just when we think the pendulum of degeneracy and hostility towards straight (white) men has peaked, it somehow gets nudged just a bit higher still.

VincentVinturi you made a good point I think, about how as an American it's infinitely easier to communicate and across cultural /linguistic lines it is legit tough, I've experienced so much of that. As has been pointed out, you also miss the subtle red flags only their guys would detect, which is bad and potentially disastrous.

Personally, I've found myself back in the US again, in a major degenerate craphole, and am thinking outside the box. Communicating with forum members and personal friends who I respect, getting their input.

One thing I would ask is as a community of guys who have successfully slogged through and navigated the soul crushing "game" as a response to modern hypergamy and degeneracy, are we not more loudly making our demands in girls known? To our friends, our relatives, our priests, and so on as we seek their wisdom and also register our interest with their networks?

I'm a guy in my mid thirties only interested in college age girls, and I for one simply refuse to marry a girl who is not a virgin, as in all my experiences as a very high n guy, a girl's n count has been the single most determining factor in quality, without a shadow of doubt. If I don't end up finding it then I will either lower my standards in other areas, or not get hitched up. The thought of committing to a girl who has, through her fault or that of her parents for not raising her right, carelessly discarded the most important thing that she could give to her husband, repulses me and once her looks started to fade I would resent her for my being a sloppy seconds cuck. On the flip side, knowing that back then she chose me to give the greatest gift she had to give, would be something that would help weather the storms relationships invariably face.

The second one is whether she grew up in a small town or a big city, and the third is how close she is to her family. Of course, these three are not entirely unrelated.

Someone pointed out marriage is still a raw deal in America regardless, due to laws etc. But why not just pay for a top lawyer and prenup the hell out of it? Or better yet, don't involve the State at all. Guy I know has a wonderful large family, never got married to the mother of his kids, though after many years she (hilariously) still pressures him to do so.

Maybe it's time we all start focusing on thinking outside the box in order to find those gems that exist rare as they are, and not let the presence of a growing number of large, dirty lumps of coal deter us.

The more we value those gems, the more gems that get produced.

At some point, there's nowhere left to run.

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RE: Are American Women Really That Bad?
How have you guys found American women to be when they are in their 30s and 40s?

There has been a focus in this forum on young women and women who are 7+ in looks. We all know that these women are notoriously flaky and hard to deal with.

But the OP said he's 44. That's my general age range, too. Some guys in this range might be interested in older age brackets, such as 35 to 45. Of course, you usually need to be comfortable with the fact that they're divorced and/or have kids.
10-16-2019 10:18 AM
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Why would you want to be in an LTR with a woman you can't have kids with? Whats the point? Cut off should be 27 and that's pushing it even.
10-16-2019 10:41 AM
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(10-16-2019 10:41 AM)tr1cky Wrote:  Why would you want to be in an LTR with a woman you can't have kids with? Whats the point? Cut off should be 27 and that's pushing it even.

If you already have kids and don't want any more.
10-16-2019 10:50 AM
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Yes, womb, they can be OK at those ages because they don't have as many expectations having finally realized they have pretty much hit the wall. It depends what you are looking for --- but yes, they will have different life experiences and possibly kids, it sounds like similar to you.

tr1cky, he's making the best of his situation. Just be pleased he's not creating more problems in the attention serviced west. Those that have had their kids should move on and make the best, leaving the field open for others who haven't taken a shot at a family, so as not to cause more logjams in the existing shit-show.

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^ That's a good point. What happens when one wakes up to the red pill and finds himself in a sticky situation? He can certainly make the best of it but must approach the situation in the right angle.

It looks like Womb is looking for a nanny (that he marries) to help finish raising his kids. For whatever reason the mother(s) is/are out of the picture. It might not even be worth it if your kids are closer to 18. It would be better to just red pill the heck out of them during those ages.

I don't have any experience with post wall women (35-45) so can't tell which ones are good a good fit. EE women are more real about sexual dynamics so I can't imagine them expecting to have kids at that age if they are still single. SE Asian women don't care about age so much but don't know about what they think about being a nanny.

I doubt a single western women below 35 would be comfortable raising somebody else's kids, or any woman really but worth looking into? The younger the better.
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Forgot to mention too that kids hate it when their parents are divorced. Kids can build up a lot of resentment for your new wife and it's kind of a good point. I know a guy in a situation like this and he is constantly dealing with his kids disrespecting their new "mother." Hes a very good red pilled guy though but boy, it's a never ending battle between managing his kids and his Latin wife (who tends to be very emotional).
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(10-16-2019 10:18 AM)WombRaider Wrote:  How have you guys found American women to be when they are in their 30s and 40s?
I recently met an American girl on holiday in London, she seemed relatively normal, athletic, ambitious, successful work-life and drop-dead gorgeous. She didn't want kids though, for some that is a turn-off and for others, it's a turn on.

If there were a chance of me actually being in the US on the regular, I'd have tried to date her but I was more than happy with the outcome regardless.
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Globally Tinder has 10 million active daily users of which 77% are men of that only a certain number are American. I didn't bother looking into the stats more cause they are bit hard to find.

There are loads of attractive, decent American women. What are you going to do to get them? Are you gonna stay at home and never go our or socialize? Are you gonna rely soley on apps? Are you gonna bitch about wanting a young wife, but never go places where young women are? Cmon guys get your head out of your ass. You let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch. An above average and socially proficient man will have no issues getting the same in a woman provided he makes a concerted effort instead of relying on an easy win
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RE: Are American Women Really That Bad?
2 separate issues in where they lack and both are key to success/relationship:

1. All guys on this forum have higher SMV elsewhere, even the young/affluent/good looking. Now that I’m 41, it’s not really up for debate that I need the bump

2. Family. Western society has beaten normal feminine values towards the relationship out
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No one at RVF has high SMV in the west? Red pill men are in shape and dress with style. Why do we need to leave to raise our "smv" higher to land a quality woman?

I dont think its "western society" thats beaten the "normal feminine values towards relationships". Birth control and women in the workforce (both have benefits and consequences) have given women many more options in life. She does not need a man anymore.

If you find a good woman and offer her what she needs you will have a good chance to have a long term relationship. Problem is most men dont offer women what they need/want.
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(10-17-2019 03:39 PM)tr1cky Wrote:  If you find a good woman and offer her what she needs you will have a good chance to have a long term relationship. Problem is most men dont offer women what they need/want.

Many men are entitled. Lets not forget historically only 40% of men managed to pass on their genes.

Also, Game really did send many men down the wrong path, getting them to overvalue short term, easy-come-easy-go types of relationships.

Some men here still think if you bang a girl early you are more likely to be with her long-term.

It looks like we are at a turning point though.
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(10-17-2019 03:39 PM)tr1cky Wrote:  No one at RVF has high SMV in the west? Red pill men are in shape and dress with style. Why do we need to leave to raise our "smv" higher to land a quality woman?

Even if it's high at home, it's still higher elsewhere.
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(10-17-2019 02:26 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  Are you gonna bitch about wanting a young wife, but never go places where young women are? Cmon guys get your head out of your ass. You let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch. An above average and socially proficient man will have no issues getting the same in a woman provided he makes a concerted effort instead of relying on an easy win.

Good points here, but most have a hard time telling others, even generally "where the young women are" in the west.

And please don't say, "College."

It's not easy to go to other places, but if you combine women with the rapidly degrading culture (if you are thinking of kids and their future) it is becoming easier by the month to consider the move to other places.
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Say that you had a good place to find quality young women, why would you tell about it to the other men? If I find a spot in the forest with excellent mushrooms, I am not sharing. Go find your own.
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I agree, but then why bring it up in a negative tone on the forum? It's not like you are going to every city to find your "top secret" niche that somehow allows you to horde all the women. You still need to act, others are just looking for ideas to act on --- literally that's it.

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RE: Are American Women Really That Bad?
Many people who learned game had their lives turn out shitty. How would their lives have turned out without game? I suspect still shitty.

I dont disagree about the higher SMV but many people do not want to move aboard to a third world country to find women. I think you can find an amazing woman to marry/LTR in the US.

Even with a turn to Christ you can still cold approach women, go to lounges and restaurants, talk to women at church, etc. How many new women in the past 90 days have those people who claim American girls are that bad talked to?

It really blows my mind when people say there are no good women in the west. Are you sure its ALL women in the west? More likely its YOU. But thats a painful thing to admit. Its called the red pill for a reason.
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Short story time with Lian

Decided to pick up a slice of pizza today, and as I walk back to my car this girl passes me, I think she's cute probably mid 20s. In my experience I know there is almost zero chance of her having long term potential, which is why I didn't bother stopping her there and then. Game fatigue is real... Still, it isn't totally zero and why not, what else am I doing, be nice to say hi to a cute girl and even be nice to tell her so... I looked back saw her go in the pizza shop and figure she's prob parked near me.

So I just eat the slice in the car, I figure if she comes out while I'm eating great if not I'll just leave when I'm done.

Sure enough few min later she gets into the car behind me. I pop out (she's parked right behind and can see me approach), keep in mind this is suburbia and daylight, and I'm well aware of social cues etc and have done similar things before, and when I get to the window she just looks at me with dead eyes, the eyes of contempt mixed with thousand cock stare mixed with what strikes me as evil incarnate.

In shock I kind of fumble back to my car half feeling like total crap, half wondering how something so innocuous could result in such a reaction, and that any human being could give such strong despicable bitch vibes that quickly.

So halfway back I turn around and slowly go back with an "it's all good there's a charming / endearing explanation" demeanor letting her know just wanted to say hi, and even sort of apologise saying oh just thought you were cute making her feel good regardless.. and through her cold window she gives me one last contemptuous look like she wants to kill me, and drives away, me jumping back to avoid possibly getting hit.

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^There's probably a write up on Tumblr somewhere about the guy who tried to "rape" her.

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(10-17-2019 05:14 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  I agree, but then why bring it up in a negative tone on the forum? It's not like you are going to every city to find your "top secret" niche that somehow allows you to horde all the women. You still need to act, others are just looking for ideas to act on --- literally that's it.

I have mentioned "my" niche often before: dance class. In particular Salsa where you usually switch partners often. Not only most women are very fit, they are also in their natural feminine state, since they need to follow your lead. While many are just out to dance, some girls are also looking for "fun". This is where some basic game and logistics come into play.

Hopefully I am not misleading you, since all of my experience is from Germany, but the obesity statistics of Germany are not that far behind the US statistics. Actually, Germany is the country with the highest(!) percentage of fat and obese people in Europe[1].

1.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_Germany#2011_%E2%80%93_Present
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(10-17-2019 05:59 PM)Lian Wrote:  Short story time with Lian

Decided to pick up a slice of pizza today, and as I walk back to my car this girl passes me, I think she's cute probably mid 20s. In my experience I know there is almost zero chance of her having long term potential, which is why I didn't bother stopping her there and then. Game fatigue is real... Still, it isn't totally zero and why not, what else am I doing, be nice to say hi to a cute girl and even be nice to tell her so... I looked back saw her go in the pizza shop and figure she's prob parked near me.

So I just eat the slice in the car, I figure if she comes out while I'm eating great if not I'll just leave when I'm done.

Sure enough few min later she gets into the car behind me. I pop out (she's parked right behind and can see me approach), keep in mind this is suburbia and daylight, and I'm well aware of social cues etc and have done similar things before, and when I get to the window she just looks at me with dead eyes, the eyes of contempt mixed with thousand cock stare mixed with what strikes me as evil incarnate.

In shock I kind of fumble back to my car half feeling like total crap, half wondering how something so innocuous could result in such a reaction, and that any human being could give such strong despicable bitch vibes that quickly.

So halfway back I turn around and slowly go back with an "it's all good there's a charming / endearing explanation" demeanor letting her know just wanted to say hi, and even sort of apologise saying oh just thought you were cute making her feel good regardless.. and through her cold window she gives me one last contemptuous look like she wants to kill me, and drives away, me jumping back to avoid possibly getting hit.

I'll do you one. A weeks ago or so I was walking back to my car from work and I see this "cute" chick with enormous titties and muscular toned calves walking about 20 yards in front of me. I rarely see cute to hot women with gigantic breasts who aren't bbws out and about. I knew I had to approach. I approach her and she's clearly taken a back and nervous. We chat for under a minute and she's awkwardly tells me she has a boyfriend. We go our separate ways. On a scale of 1-10 I would give her a 7, but her breasts were out of this world. No telling how amazing those things would be unleashed from a bra. That said, she would not turn any heads.

Fast forward this week. I see a tall(6ft) absolutely amazing looking woman in a lounge. She was with a male friend. I couldn't tell if he was an orbiter or with her romantically. This girl was an objective 9 and many people would bump her up to a dime. She stuck out like a sore thumb in a lounge full of attractive women. Absolutely fucking stunning this woman is. She's a fair bit older than my preference but showed no signs of wear and tear and has a pretty damn good career. We went out Monday. I walk in the joint with her and all eye's are on us. During the date she's feminine compliant and flirty. I go for a kiss right at the bar and she fully complies we leave and make out and fondle each other more. I'll probably seal the deal Saturday. I've been with easily over 150 women and this chick is definitely in the top 5

The point is you win some you lose some. I could have let being rejected by the big titty chick ruin my interactions with women for a period of time or just chocked it off as her loss.
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(10-16-2019 10:41 AM)tr1cky Wrote:  Why would you want to be in an LTR with a woman you can't have kids with? Whats the point? Cut off should be 27 and that's pushing it even.

Well, my wife was 28 when I met her and it worked out and we had kids (I was past 40 when we met). Admittedly it would have been even better if she'd been a few years younger.

I've met some legitimately sexy and feminine women in their 40s in the US. Were I single and not looking to have kids, I might have even gone there. Although the twist is that they were all from Russia or Romania.

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(10-18-2019 08:48 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  [quote='Lian' pid='2030389' dateline='1571353176']
Short story time with Lian

Decided to pick up a slice of pizza today, and as I walk back to my car this girl passes me, I think she's cute probably mid 20s. In my experience I know there is almost zero chance of her having long term potential, which is why I didn't bother stopping her there and then. Game fatigue is real... Still, it isn't totally zero and why not, what else am I doing, be nice to say hi to a cute girl and even be nice to tell her so... I looked back saw her go in the pizza shop and figure she's prob parked near me.

So I just eat the slice in the car, I figure if she comes out while I'm eating great if not I'll just leave when I'm done.

Sure enough few min later she gets into the car behind me. I pop out (she's parked right behind and can see me approach), keep in mind this is suburbia and daylight, and I'm well aware of social cues etc and have done similar things before, and when I get to the window she just looks at me with dead eyes, the eyes of contempt mixed with thousand cock stare mixed with what strikes me as evil incarnate.

In shock I kind of fumble back to my car half feeling like total crap, half wondering how something so innocuous could result in such a reaction, and that any human being could give such strong despicable bitch vibes that quickly.

So halfway back I turn around and slowly go back with an "it's all good there's a charming / endearing explanation" demeanor letting her know just wanted to say hi, and even sort of apologise saying oh just thought you were cute making her feel good regardless.. and through her cold window she gives me one last contemptuous look like she wants to kill me, and drives away, me jumping back to avoid possibly getting hit.

I'll do you one. A weeks ago or so I was walking back to my car from work and I see this "cute" chick with enormous titties and muscular toned calves walking about 20 yards in front of me. I rarely see cute to hot women with gigantic breasts who aren't bbws out and about. I knew I had to approach. I approach her and she's clearly taken a back and nervous. We chat for under a minute and she's awkwardly tells me she has a boyfriend. We go our separate ways. On a scale of 1-10 I would give her a 7, but her breasts were out of this world. No telling how amazing those things would be unleashed from a bra. That said, she would not turn any heads.

Fast forward this week. I see a tall(6ft) absolutely amazing looking woman in a lounge. She was with a male friend. I couldn't tell if he was an orbiter or with her romantically. This girl was an objective 9 and many people would bump her up to a dime. She stuck out like a sore thumb in a lounge full of attractive women. Absolutely fucking stunning this woman is. She's a fair bit older than my preference but showed no signs of wear and tear and has a pretty damn good career. We went out Monday. I walk in the joint with her and all eye's are on us. During the date she's feminine compliant and flirty. I go for a kiss right at the bar and she fully complies we leave and make out and fondle each other more. I'll probably seal the deal Saturday. I've been with easily over 150 women and this chick is definitely in the top 5

The point is you win some you lose some. I could have let being rejected by the big titty chick ruin my interactions with women for a period of time or just chocked it off as her loss.
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RE: Are American Women Really That Bad?
(10-17-2019 05:59 PM)Lian Wrote:  Sure enough few min later she gets into the car behind me. I pop out (she's parked right behind and can see me approach), keep in mind this is suburbia and daylight, and I'm well aware of social cues etc and have done similar things before, and when I get to the window she just looks at me with dead eyes, the eyes of contempt mixed with thousand cock stare mixed with what strikes me as evil incarnate.

Don't want to derail the thread too much, but this was a really awful and awkward approach and is why you got blown out. You should have waited until she was walking out of the restaurant and met her halfway as you walked back in (pretend you left something inside if she asks). Then you say something like, "Wow that smells great, what pizza did you get?". A low probability play, but much better than creeping up to her car window in the parking lot after you've obviously been waiting for her (literally a move women associate with psychos and kidnappers).

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(This post was last modified: 10-18-2019 12:17 PM by scorpion.)
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RE: Are American Women Really That Bad?
I agree. Something about being in a car is a negative trigger. But instead of asking about the pizza I would do a cold read.

Look at her pizza, then at her, flash a bewildered look, look back down to the pizza and up to her and say "really? A cheese pizza? You seem more like a pineapple pizza type of girl.

Wait, do you like pineapple pizza?

If yes - *shakes head* so basic. I bet you like pumpkin spice lattes too....
If no - *inquisitive then dismissive look* oh you must be a pizza snob then. Pineapple pizza is so amazing.

Or you could keep running uncalibrated game and blame western women as being the devil reincarnate. If you want a LTR with a high quality woman you need to tighten your game up.

Ps. Going up to a woman and telling her shes so cute you had to say hello isn't game. Its being bold. I understand why roosh is moving away from promoting casual fornication as the end goal of game but you still need game to land, marry, reproduce and keep a high quality woman in the west. Or you can move to Thailand and pay a girl to be your LTR. I don't even hate on that but I wish guys here would be more honest about it, because that is what theyre doing.

*cue guys saying i dont pay her brah! I just let her move into my condo that costs more per month than she could make in a year. And i pay for dinner and drinks because thats what you do with a traditional woman brah!*
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