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(11-04-2019 11:01 AM)JayMor Wrote:  From an Australian perspective, American women I've met have been nothing but attractive, receptive and fun. This is probably in response to the accent and unfamiliarity. I can see how things change for the worse with age but as I haven't spent enough time in the US I can't comment on this or from a resident's perspective.

From what I've seen of other Anglo women (Aussies, Brits, Canadians, etc.) American women are actually the best the Anglosphere has to offer. Which is a lot like being the most powerful ice hockey team in Central America.

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(11-04-2019 09:19 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 05:04 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  I understand the general complaints in this thread but a lot of the dialogue I'm seeing is greatly exaggerated. I suggest everyone grab a flight to the nearest major SEC, ACC or PAC 10 Football school. Take a day or two off work and walk around the campus.
1. You will find high percentage of women than men
2. You will find on avg by at least a point the girls look better than the men.
3. Plenty of avg guys on a campus are punching at or above their weight if they are socially intelligent.

A lot of guys who want an avg woman aren't even avg themselves. They are below avg. You really have to look at yourself in the mirror and do and honest assessment. Further, you will have to get out of your comfort zone and approach women and get off these goddamn apps. This means if you work at home start working a Starbucks, maybe you go to target instead of buying everything off Amazon, try leaving the house Friday and Saturday night. You can not be completely introverted and expect a decent woman to suddenly materialize out of thin air.

I won't lay into quaker as much, but the introductory suggestion of going to a place where there are a higher number of 18-21 year old girls is amusing. Of course these women (the ones you don't filter out for being bad looking, which might be quite a few) will "look better than the men." By the way, they aren't really men, yet, if they ever will be. As a result, those that do in fact do ok --- of course they are punching above their weight, by definition.

Having said that, quaker is right that you have to be honest about what you are, and put work into becoming something better. That is, of course, if you want to get better results.

I think Quaker is absolutely correct on this subject. Yeah too many American women have shitty attitudes, especially as they get older but lets be honest, most dudes that are complaining want something for nothing. They have no interest in getting in shape, no interest in working hard towards a sustainable career, no interest in expanding their social circle or improving their social skills and so on and so on. I have said it before and I will say it again, American women suck because too many American men suck. Like it or not, the poor quality of women we have in this society are a reflection of the poor quality of men in our society. Men can't demand a better class of women while they themselves fail miserably at being strong men.

No man who has zero interest in making himself better and making himself stand apart from the crowd deserves a good looking, quality chick. However, it's much easier to sit on a keyboard and complain than to actually go and try to do something to make the situation better for themselves. Everything is someone else's fault, whether its minorities or boomers (this is the latest scapegoat in the clusterfuck that is the manosphere) or whoever the next scapegoat is. Sad reality we have today with too many dudes.
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(11-05-2019 12:32 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 09:19 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 05:04 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  I understand the general complaints in this thread but a lot of the dialogue I'm seeing is greatly exaggerated. I suggest everyone grab a flight to the nearest major SEC, ACC or PAC 10 Football school. Take a day or two off work and walk around the campus.
1. You will find high percentage of women than men
2. You will find on avg by at least a point the girls look better than the men.
3. Plenty of avg guys on a campus are punching at or above their weight if they are socially intelligent.

A lot of guys who want an avg woman aren't even avg themselves. They are below avg. You really have to look at yourself in the mirror and do and honest assessment. Further, you will have to get out of your comfort zone and approach women and get off these goddamn apps. This means if you work at home start working a Starbucks, maybe you go to target instead of buying everything off Amazon, try leaving the house Friday and Saturday night. You can not be completely introverted and expect a decent woman to suddenly materialize out of thin air.

I won't lay into quaker as much, but the introductory suggestion of going to a place where there are a higher number of 18-21 year old girls is amusing. Of course these women (the ones you don't filter out for being bad looking, which might be quite a few) will "look better than the men." By the way, they aren't really men, yet, if they ever will be. As a result, those that do in fact do ok --- of course they are punching above their weight, by definition.

Having said that, quaker is right that you have to be honest about what you are, and put work into becoming something better. That is, of course, if you want to get better results.

I think Quaker is absolutely correct on this subject. Yeah too many American women have shitty attitudes, especially as they get older but lets be honest, most dudes that are complaining want something for nothing. They have no interest in getting in shape, no interest in working hard towards a sustainable career, no interest in expanding their social circle or improving their social skills and so on and so on. I have said it before and I will say it again, American women suck because too many American men suck. Like it or not, the poor quality of women we have in this society are a reflection of the poor quality of men in our society. Men can't demand a better class of women while they themselves fail miserably at being strong men.

No man who has zero interest in making himself better and making himself stand apart from the crowd deserves a good looking, quality chick. However, it's much easier to sit on a keyboard and complain than to actually go and try to do something to make the situation better for themselves. Everything is someone else's fault, whether its minorities or boomers (this is the latest scapegoat in the clusterfuck that is the manosphere) or whoever the next scapegoat is. Sad reality we have today with too many dudes.

I don't disagree with you guys but its difficult even for those of us that do work on ourselves here looking for any sort of LTR. My friend came over Saturday and we hit the pump track for an hour and half, it was a good workout and I was glad he was able to make it. The reason he was able to was because he got ghosted yet again on another date. I've was ghosted 4 times in a row a few months back and just stopped at that point because I realized it was a waste of time trying to date some of the women here. Now its easy to say well yeah you aren't XYZ and you suck so of course you're gonna have bad results because you aren't putting in the work etc. But my friend who is not quite in to the manosphere as I am at all, brought up that he doesn't understand it. We all have something going for us. My friend has been been working out for 10+ years and has about as pretty muscular natty body as you can have, he said our other friend is a above average good looking guy and has his own place, and I've got the successful business, yet we all get shit on all the time these days. And while the decline has always been going on, now nearing 2020 its more present than ever where I get ghosted 4 times in a row in a week a half where as 5 years ago I was pulling dates easy couple times a week.

Theres a decline and I agree that american men that suck are a large contributor to it, but as someone who does have his shit together along with my friends, we feel the trickle down effect of how much both american men and women suck affect us. I'm at the point where I have no real interest anymore here and do plan to eventually go overseas where my status is higher and more appreciated for what it is, the way I see it theres no point to keep playing a losing game when I can have a better life elsewhere and find a traditional LTR.
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(11-05-2019 06:56 PM)Zenta Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 12:32 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 09:19 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 05:04 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  I understand the general complaints in this thread but a lot of the dialogue I'm seeing is greatly exaggerated. I suggest everyone grab a flight to the nearest major SEC, ACC or PAC 10 Football school. Take a day or two off work and walk around the campus.
1. You will find high percentage of women than men
2. You will find on avg by at least a point the girls look better than the men.
3. Plenty of avg guys on a campus are punching at or above their weight if they are socially intelligent.

A lot of guys who want an avg woman aren't even avg themselves. They are below avg. You really have to look at yourself in the mirror and do and honest assessment. Further, you will have to get out of your comfort zone and approach women and get off these goddamn apps. This means if you work at home start working a Starbucks, maybe you go to target instead of buying everything off Amazon, try leaving the house Friday and Saturday night. You can not be completely introverted and expect a decent woman to suddenly materialize out of thin air.

I won't lay into quaker as much, but the introductory suggestion of going to a place where there are a higher number of 18-21 year old girls is amusing. Of course these women (the ones you don't filter out for being bad looking, which might be quite a few) will "look better than the men." By the way, they aren't really men, yet, if they ever will be. As a result, those that do in fact do ok --- of course they are punching above their weight, by definition.

Having said that, quaker is right that you have to be honest about what you are, and put work into becoming something better. That is, of course, if you want to get better results.

I think Quaker is absolutely correct on this subject. Yeah too many American women have shitty attitudes, especially as they get older but lets be honest, most dudes that are complaining want something for nothing. They have no interest in getting in shape, no interest in working hard towards a sustainable career, no interest in expanding their social circle or improving their social skills and so on and so on. I have said it before and I will say it again, American women suck because too many American men suck. Like it or not, the poor quality of women we have in this society are a reflection of the poor quality of men in our society. Men can't demand a better class of women while they themselves fail miserably at being strong men.

No man who has zero interest in making himself better and making himself stand apart from the crowd deserves a good looking, quality chick. However, it's much easier to sit on a keyboard and complain than to actually go and try to do something to make the situation better for themselves. Everything is someone else's fault, whether its minorities or boomers (this is the latest scapegoat in the clusterfuck that is the manosphere) or whoever the next scapegoat is. Sad reality we have today with too many dudes.

I don't disagree with you guys but its difficult even for those of us that do work on ourselves here looking for any sort of LTR. My friend came over Saturday and we hit the pump track for an hour and half, it was a good workout and I was glad he was able to make it. The reason he was able to was because he got ghosted yet again on another date. I've was ghosted 4 times in a row a few months back and just stopped at that point because I realized it was a waste of time trying to date some of the women here. Now its easy to say well yeah you aren't XYZ and you suck so of course you're gonna have bad results because you aren't putting in the work etc. But my friend who is not quite in to the manosphere as I am at all, brought up that he doesn't understand it. We all have something going for us. My friend has been been working out for 10+ years and has about as pretty muscular natty body as you can have, he said our other friend is a above average good looking guy and has his own place, and I've got the successful business, yet we all get shit on all the time these days. And while the decline has always been going on, now nearing 2020 its more present than ever where I get ghosted 4 times in a row in a week a half where as 5 years ago I was pulling dates easy couple times a week.

Theres a decline and I agree that american men that suck are a large contributor to it, but as someone who does have his shit together along with my friends, we feel the trickle down effect of how much both american men and women suck affect us. I'm at the point where I have no real interest anymore here and do plan to eventually go overseas where my status is higher and more appreciated for what it is, the way I see it theres no point to keep playing a losing game when I can have a better life elsewhere and find a traditional LTR.

I don't want to sh*t on your parade, but, if you are thinking about going overseas - be realistic with your expectations, and if you genuinely want to find an LTR over there - expect to have to genuinely put the work in over the long term.

Don't go over there in desperation because you hate the West, or with the wrong 'easy wins short term mentality' mindset.

Going overseas has often been sold in the men's communities as the magic bullet.

The reality is that probably 90%+ of the men that go over there are either there for casual dating (and they aren't going to find the same challenges and barriers as men there for LTRs), older guys who never got their life fully together and just want to enjoy themselves, younger guys who go over there to build their lives and set themselves up financially (and therefore they often aren't going to be able to truly catch or keep a quality girl until they do reach a certain point of development), or guys that are just extreme or weird in some, way, shape or form.

You've mostly been hearing from these men when you hear about it - and it puts reality out of whack.

It's much rarer for a truly high quality man (that has some level of success in the West) to go over there with the right mindset and truly put in the time to find and maintain a LTR.

The guys that I am aware of that have been in LTR's for multiple years so far over there have done some combination of the following in some order or another:
1. Lived over there long enough to find a place they like
2. Found a girl
3. Learnt the language
4. Learnt the culture
5. Formed community bonds (with expats and/or locals)
6. Have a decent bankroll and are usually location independent with their work, or can spend up to half the year or more in the girl's home country

In addition, some of the main hubs/cities are starting to become more and more westernized and are losing their traditionalism. This is becoming more reflected in the girls – and especially more so now that these girls are getting discovered through Instagram and having all sorts of sugar daddy offers to go study in another country, have their apartment paid for, and so on and so forth.

Can going overseas be easier in some ways? Absolutely.

But, don't look at it as an easy solution. You'll run into other challenges you may not have where you live now (extremely cold winters, being away from immediate family, distrusting locals, shitty infrastructure in some places, shitty food and options in some places, where you are going to live and put roots down long term, where you might end up raising your kids, and so on).

There's also a huge different between eastern europe, and a place like south east asia.

You have to build an overall life you are fulfilled with at the end of the day - the girl or partner you end up with is one part of that (albeit a significant part).
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Thanks for the post GT777733. I am have been and am aware of how overseas is, and I am not only going there for a LTR but because I would like to relocate there when I no longer have any responsibilities left here in the states. I will be financially set by then and already am well along the way in that regards, but I take care of a few family members and business here in the states which abates my ability relocate overseas now while I'm younger in my 30's.

Tr1cky, online and day game, though I no longer do any OLD as its its run its course IMHO. I also do not have as much free time or energy to daygame as some people here do so I've dialed back on that as well. This isn't an issue of get out and talk to girls and you'll find one, I have no issue doing that nor do I have any issue holding a woman's attention. Just my personal experience of constantly getting shit on in the states vs otherwise overseas plus wanting to relocate over there leads me to this decision.
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Me = married a foreign gal... 15+ years.. still married. I dated a few non-American women in college (two were from Taiwan) and decided I preferred non-US born / raised women; not just for dating, but as an overall preference to be around.

Two factors that plague my generation (Gen X). Feminism and the divorce tsunami that hit during the age of no-fault divorce. My generation are the 'latchkey' kids who came home from school to an empty house: Mom at work and Dad long gone.

The issues with feminism are legion (as discussed often on this forum). The biggest factor for me is feminism, as an extension of cultural Marxism, needs strict censorship. The devil cannot stand being mocked, or even questioned. You have to walk on eggshells around women. Even the mildest of (non sexual or personal) comments can "trigger" her. I used to have married guys hang out in my cubicle just to be able to talk openly about politics, culture, or whatever. One guy said to me ruefully, "I can't talk about these things at home because of my wife". He was jealous because I was still single at the time... and free.

I didn't have to self censor with the foreign girls. There was no emotional meltdowns for making a statement like "men have more physical strength than women". I also found them to be reliable and useful to have around (i.e. they would help out in the kitchen.. I never even asked). I was also much less likely to be with someone who had substance abuse issues.

The American women I was around were at times shockingly unreliable (I think divorce was a big reason for this). One thing I would always ask myself, "if I got seriously hurt and ended up in the emergency room, would this woman drop everything and rush to be with me?" The answer was always 'no'. The above scenario did happen about 11 years ago.. my wife was by my side when I was being put under anesthetic.

I had a woman (who I had done many favors for) become indignant when I asked for help myself. In my case, I needed someone to pick me up after surgery, since the hospital wouldn't let me leave on my own. A more extreme example: I shared an apartment with a woman who landed a new boyfriend. Good dude, engineering grad, with a decent paying job. One day, she came home in an absolute rage, screaming about how her (now ex) boyfriend was asking her to "be his slave!".

What did he do exactly? The guy was flat on his back with the flu. He asked her to help take care of him.. like picking up meds and some food. To her.. that was slavery.

I will admit that my SMV was higher with the foreign women. I am not in the top 20% of looks and my disposable income from my '20 to my early '30s was meager. I was buying real estate at the time (when my city was a pre housing bubble urban hell-scape). I drove a really old car, had old clothes, etc. because every spare nickle I could find went into buying / renovating apartment buildings. This made me wholly unattractive in the dating pool, with the exception of my wife. She told me the fact that I showed ambition and future time orientation was one of the primary reasons she was attracted to me.

Side note: My wife and I hire a nanny / babysitter. All the recent ones hired and / or interviewed have been Thai. They all came to the US as Au pairs and almost all ended up getting married. These are 'Asian 5s' on the looks scale.. yet they had no issues finding a man. I would point to this as evidence that women who can't find a man isn't an issue due to the lack of supply of eligible men.
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When I was younger. I moved back home. My parents divorced. I gave my mom my new car and drove an old shitty one. My old car bit the dust and I was in a panic to get to work. My own mother....driving my new car. Didnt even want to take me to work.
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