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If you're looking for casual flings, it's probably never been better. If you're looking for a meaningful and fulfilling relationship, it's definitely never been worse.

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(08-08-2019 01:40 AM)Aquarius Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 01:03 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  My experience with American women is very limited. Just by hearing them in the airport queue is usually enough. They are incredibly fat and aggressive , and the ones who look nice and normal seem to be in couple with unreachable guys.

This is a no for me. If one day for some reason I will travel in North America , I will report better but most women do not seem to be normal

On average, I have somehow found that the American girls overseas are much worse than what I actually experience in the American city I'm in.

Whenever I'm in my home country and in international airports, I only dread the moment I have to return to the US seeing how Americans overseas dress and act. But once I actually exit the airport into the city, every single time, I get a "pleasant surprise" on the ground: People somehow become more normal and good looking than what you see in international airports.

Another thing I notice is that many Americans can also be very rude and sometimes outright mean spirited towards the locals when traveling to Asia, but other than inner city thugs in the city I live in, people are actually rather friendly and sociable.

I think its because the more pleasant Americans just slip under radar overseas. Also the worst type of American women are middle aged ones with high powered careers (note: not all middle aged women with jobs, but those with powerful job titles and high salaries at Fortune 500s) and thank goodness I'm seldom in contact with them at least right now. But overseas, this type significantly outnumbers the pleasant American women, whether as expatriates or travelers. They can be very entitled and condescendingly rude and mean-spirited towards just about everybody.

And among young girls, the fatter they are, the more obnoxious they are. And where they are from kind of matters. Southerners and midwesterners are more reserved while Northeasterners are much more brash. The latter travel way more than the former. And also, a disproportionate amount of young girls who travel a lot overseas tend to be of the obnoxious liberal "save the world" types, some but not most working for NGOs. This type frequently travels for the sake of virtue signalling. Again this type I can avoid in America but its impossible to avoid this type overseas.

Everything you said makes sense. I am sure some average countryside white girl would be a bit more humble than the ones who "travels the world" and complains at the desk of the airline company that the workers don't speak good english.
As a Frenchman , I also get scared when I hear french-speaking girls at the airport .
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(08-08-2019 03:28 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 01:40 AM)Aquarius Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 01:03 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  My experience with American women is very limited. Just by hearing them in the airport queue is usually enough. They are incredibly fat and aggressive , and the ones who look nice and normal seem to be in couple with unreachable guys.

This is a no for me. If one day for some reason I will travel in North America , I will report better but most women do not seem to be normal

On average, I have somehow found that the American girls overseas are much worse than what I actually experience in the American city I'm in.

Whenever I'm in my home country and in international airports, I only dread the moment I have to return to the US seeing how Americans overseas dress and act. But once I actually exit the airport into the city, every single time, I get a "pleasant surprise" on the ground: People somehow become more normal and good looking than what you see in international airports.

Another thing I notice is that many Americans can also be very rude and sometimes outright mean spirited towards the locals when traveling to Asia, but other than inner city thugs in the city I live in, people are actually rather friendly and sociable.

I think its because the more pleasant Americans just slip under radar overseas. Also the worst type of American women are middle aged ones with high powered careers (note: not all middle aged women with jobs, but those with powerful job titles and high salaries at Fortune 500s) and thank goodness I'm seldom in contact with them at least right now. But overseas, this type significantly outnumbers the pleasant American women, whether as expatriates or travelers. They can be very entitled and condescendingly rude and mean-spirited towards just about everybody.

And among young girls, the fatter they are, the more obnoxious they are. And where they are from kind of matters. Southerners and midwesterners are more reserved while Northeasterners are much more brash. The latter travel way more than the former. And also, a disproportionate amount of young girls who travel a lot overseas tend to be of the obnoxious liberal "save the world" types, some but not most working for NGOs. This type frequently travels for the sake of virtue signalling. Again this type I can avoid in America but its impossible to avoid this type overseas.

Everything you said makes sense. I am sure some average countryside white girl would be a bit more humble than the ones who "travels the world" and complains at the desk of the airline company that the workers don't speak good english.
As a Frenchman , I also get scared when I hear french-speaking girls at the airport .

Incidentally, a very large part of my hometown's city center was built by the French, and even today, we have a lot of French tourists pass through and the French are the largest Western expat community.

I remember riding a train to a tourist city 30 mins away by train from my hometown and got sat right in front of a large group of young French girls. I was surprised at how chubby and loud they are, knowing that the average French girl is nothing like that. They were wearing rather revealing sundresses with flipflops, and the fat was oozing out from their chest. Only one girl in that group was hot.

The French female expats in my city are disproportionately chubby and if not many are granola or leftist-looking, and the French male expats tend to have an unhinged hatred of Le Pen. And I notice the majority of groups of French girls have a token black in them.

Given that the average American girl is below an average French girl in grace and femininity, you can only imagine how bad the ones traveling the world are.
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(08-07-2019 10:41 PM)Paig3 Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 09:59 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  Paig3, great posts ... remind me again why the fuck you are here? It's depressing.

I'm going to your homeland. Money ain't shit when it ruins people.

Well, as proverb says: you don't value until you lose it. I have European background and legal prostitution + hot girls affordability were taken as granted. I just couldn't imagine things could be THAT screwed up here in US. I thought here it would be exactly the same with a corvette and a sea rayDodgy

Now I can meet an attractive tinder girl (which is 6.5 as I'm not Chad Thundercock), bangHump her on a first date, she'll tell me how attractive I am, how quick my small block isBaller, ask me about our second date and then block my number because she has 1700 more matches to take care of. Dancingman When I discussed this behavior with one of my new acquaintances (who I thought was from Europe, which was a huge mistake) she told me I wasn't good enough (that's when I found out she was American). So 6"3 athletic blonde with $150k paycheck and a corvette isn't good enough for 6.5 American girl. LOL. We are in huge trouble here guys.

Collateral damage here is the quality of women. I hear all the time that many guys bang 9/10-10/10 girls from tinder. The problem here is that there are no 9/10-10/10 white American girls on tinder.

American 10/10 is Margot Robbie and Nicole Kidman. The only problem is - they are Australian.

Change your tinder location to Melbourne and see what happens. Bananatard

I don't want to look as if I was complaining, I will eventually figure out a way to bang hot chicks in US - either by becoming Chad Chaddington, or by getting rich af (preferably latter), but we definitely need more value here and more guys like Roosh.

Have you ever considered the possibility that she blocked you because your personality fukcing sucks ?

Instead, of coming here and crying have a look at yourself. I'd recommend not hiring a pro to give feed back.
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There are big differences between American and Non American girls. I used to think that Southern American girls might be good but even those that are in the big Southern cities are head cases.

I went out with probably 130+ and closed probably 75 in a span of 1.5 year. Most of these I am not counting as the average demographic of Southern American girls. Although, most were American and from the city where I reside in the South, they were usually middle to low income type ratchet natured girls or girls with huge issues (divorcees, 30+, strippers, anti-depression meds takers) etc. These were girls who you can never think about LTR as it would be almost a suicide to have relationship with them let alone children.

So the kind of girl I was looking for was the typical all American Southern college girl. I thought they would be easier gaming than taming the hard type of girls I mentioned above. I tried but I could not get these type of decently educated sorority girls gamewise or on online apps. There are tons of them on Bumble. I keep seeing them. They are also pretty good looking. Fit, great teeth and nice hair with a very confident smile. 7+ usually. They are hardly on Tinder or other apps, but Bumble seems their go to app here. I hardly get matched with them and if I do, they hardly start the convo. Gaming them normally is also pain in the ass, especially if you do a quality to effort ratio. Can't have a normal conversation. In bars, they are usually with a group of friends and my approaches have been futile except for a few. Also, I do not have the social circle to get introduced to them socially which is a big thing here. I can go anywhere else in the world, approach and in spite of some direct rejections, compartively higher quality girls will engage with normal intrigue.

Anyways, a so called friend of mine (who I wrote about in another thread) got matched on Bumble with one of these type of girls: a Texas small town 23 yr old blonde cheerleader. The way she had pics or dressed publicly, seemed that she was not a virgin. However, she was apparently. Once their relationship started, she had already moved to our city to do Dental school. After 8 months they did the deed (no blood though according to my friend) and now are in a proper LTR. Both have met each others families etc.

It might seem that this is a healthy relationship and she is the type of American girl one should have. That's what I thought and I was a little bit envious as well as that had been my objective. However, even with an American 23yr old Southern virgin, there are so many issues. My friend always does things on her terms. He is always hanging out in her social circle which are all girls. He is always the only guy. He will never bring her or introduce her to his social circle which consisted of me and other guys. Where she decides to go he goes. Few times he has even come to me asking for advice on what should he do when she starts nagging and complaining, which she started to do frequently recently. Plus she comes from a divorced home. Additionally, she is an Instagram attention seeker with tons of pics and her friends are the typical 'Yaas queen, let's drink chai latte or have shots' types. They always have to go out, eat and drink whenever she is free.

Even though she fits the box of what can be a desirable 7+ (8 with make up) American conservative girl, she is still consumed by American culture and has issues. On top of that my friend has to be her puppy. Knowing this guy, even though he desires sex with other girls, he will stick with her and perhaps even marry her one day. He knows he can't do better as he has got a pretty girl who was a virgin before him. If all the trouble in the relationship would be just nagging, provided that he knows how to handle it, then I guess it's alright. However, the controlling part mixed with bad friends and cultural influences such as not cooking, getting drunk every week and instawhoring, are somethings which I would not like in a longterm relationship.

Contrast that to my current girl who I met in the same city. A blonde Au Pair from EE, who was also a virgin before me. There are few significant differences. No attention whoring on Instagram. Simple FB profile. Limited friends. Almost all girls in her social circle. Likes to go out in moderation. Mostly interested in cooking for me, eating and watching stuff together. Likes to even sometimes clean for me. Granted that, EE girls can be very pleasant if money or citizenship is involved. However, I do not have American citizenship nor have I started working yet. So she is not in it for the money. She also always covers/pays for herself. Her Au pair International friends, even those with lots of Instagram clout and some who easily look like models, either have long term bfs or are very feminine. I even was trying to setup an available friend of hers for a forum member who was interested in an LTR. Unfortunately Au Pairs come on limited period and leave.

Additionally, I had been to Brazil last year and immediately I found a big difference there too. Brazilian girls were easily approachable, feminine, soft voiced and chilled out.

Basically normal, which most American girls are Not.
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8 months to get a piece of american pussy...
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In a word, yes, they are that bad. This forum would probably not exist if they were good. Granted, English and Australian women are somewhat worse, but that doesn't make American women any better. The only women in the U.S. that are of decent quality are the recent Asian immigrants/exchange students (less than 5 years). Beyond that, most women in the U.S. have bad attitudes, excess fat, 0 feminine traits, and pussies that smell like a Chinese fish market. It's hilarious to see guys on this forum white knighting for American women - why they're defending such poor excuses of women is beyond me. I can't imagine these men care much for quality.
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^Chinese Fish Market

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The worst.

They live in a culture that distils the worst aspects of female sexuality (indifference and contempt for beta males, narcissism, hypergamy) and celebrates it. In clown world, they all get to be fat single moms that deserve a 6 foot, 6 pack, 6 figure alpha.
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We're giving them too much leverage by chasing fatties, old women, tattooed freaks, divorced chicks, chicks with kids, etc. We have absolutely no standards anymore as men. We'll fuck anything.

And no, "latinas" are not the answer. I was going to say they're just about the fattest women around, but black women are fatter, and white women aren't that far behind. They're not even "latinas" 90% of the time. They're just fat, squatty Indians with spanish surnames. This is not even mentioning their gangbanger uncles, nephews, brothers, even nieces and aunts and moms lol. La vida loca.
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(08-12-2019 12:54 AM)Kungfu Wrote:  The worst.

They live in a culture that distils the worst aspects of female sexuality (indifference and contempt for beta males, narcissism, hypergamy) and celebrates it. In clown world, they all get to be fat single moms that deserve a 6 foot, 6 pack, 6 figure alpha.

Thirst culture and weak men are to blame.

Look at the comment section on any picture of a high-follower count Insta thot. Even basic every day chicks get tons of messages from swarths of thirsty simps.
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^ That's an easy explanation, but I don't believe that's the main issue.

Among girls <25, Instagram is already ubiquitous throughout much of the world. Most attractive girls in Russia, France, Thailand, Colombia, etc are on IG and experience just as much online thirst as girls in the US.

A girl I dated on my recent trip abroad has thousands of followers and gets a dozen thirsty comments on each pic she posts, plus dozens of DMs. She was one of the most pleasant and feminine girls I've ever met.

It isn't just social media. My feeling is it's a cultural thing. American girls just have different personalities and prioritize different things. Femininity isn't valued as highly here. Granted, you can still find quality feminine girls around, the odds just aren't as highly in your favor as in other places (unless I just met a ton of unicorns abroad).
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Roosh's US tour has uncovered pockets of good quality women in Madison and La Crosse before declaring Wyoming as the best place for women. I think he mentioned that he wouldn't have left for EE had he known about these locations.

Allowing for the tourist newbie boost that I get when I visit the US, I honestly believe there is enough quality among the American folk if you are willing to travel and keep yourself from going to seed.

Yes obesity is a problem but this has to be considered relative to the obesity that exists among American men.


My biggest concern about US (and Canadian) women is their personality changes once familiarity sets in. At this point, a man probably needs an external force (conservative secular environment and/ or a religious assembly) to keep the kookiness and hypergamous excess under some sort of control.
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@Blastbeat, @Reverup and @RDF you are all right

- Thirsty bottom 50% guys online play a part ... constant attention, compliments etc.

- If you flip it - the richest guys with the most resources also play a part because they vacuum up large groups of the best aesthetically looking women and are willing to sponsor and sugar daddy these girls, pay for play, and even set up whole businesses and careers for these girls. Do some basic research on the top Instagram girls and you will see their profiles were grown by men, or their business model is set up by men

- Even above average guys need sex, so we have to play the game to some extent to satisfy our urges - although we all do it differently according to our own morals and values and beliefs

- Culture plays a part for sure ... America is far more commercialized, wealthy and progressive than Eastern Europe and other countries and parts of the world. Resources and wealth are abundant (girls are closer to this commercialization and wealth sources if they are born here, and probably exposed to it more frequently). Media, music and other stimulus and things girls are exposed to play a part. Even though there is wealth in EE and girls do receive economic opportunity there for being hot, it's not on the level of America (EE and FSU girls frequently admit there is still competition there and a lack of opportunity in some places ... although this will change over the next 10, 20, 30 years I'd imagine with globalization, technology, and so on)

- The US is still the most important economy in the world. Even if a girl has Instagram in Eastern Europe, there's far less chance she can commercialize it as consistently as a girl who is born in and lives in America. There is a reason even with Instagram, that some of the biggest Instagram models live in LA and other destination US cities - this is where a lot of opportunity is available for them. America is the mecca for women that are influenced or brainwashed by social media, status, money etc.

So ...
- All categories of men not setting a strong example of good behavior
- All categories of men rewarding looks and sexual appeal over more virtuous women
- Culture of certain countries (along with external stimulus and exposure)
- Social media
- Commercialization of looks and being female
- Individual personality and motivations/life goals of the girl
... all these things and more play a part

I really do think it starts from us as men though as other guys have indirectly alluded to.

You can't have a strong, healthy society without a broad section of strong, healthy men keeping the structure (I'm stating the obvious).

Certain social and cultural and global things will be out of your control, but if you are disenchanted at the way everything is going, get yourself healthy and strong first, and see if anything good comes your way from that. It might, it might not. But, I think that's our best chance - press the reset button and re-build ourselves as an example of what we want society to be, and let the cards fall as they may. I don't have a better answer than that.
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(08-15-2019 11:55 PM)RDF Wrote:  ^ That's an easy explanation, but I don't believe that's the main issue.

Among girls <25, Instagram is already ubiquitous throughout much of the world. Most attractive girls in Russia, France, Thailand, Colombia, etc are on IG and experience just as much online thirst as girls in the US.

A girl I dated on my recent trip abroad has thousands of followers and gets a dozen thirsty comments on each pic she posts, plus dozens of DMs. She was one of the most pleasant and feminine girls I've ever met.

It isn't just social media. My feeling is it's a cultural thing. American girls just have different personalities and prioritize different things. Femininity isn't valued as highly here. Granted, you can still find quality feminine girls around, the odds just aren't as highly in your favor as in other places (unless I just met a ton of unicorns abroad).

Right, I was just picking social media as an example, although I do think it's a good metaphor for how the culture is. I guess an IRL example is how if a babe walks into a club or bar it's going to be all eyes on her and of course some guys are going to try and chat her up and offer her a drink.

The girl you know is probably a rare breed. I can't imagine a girl being obsessed with her phone and social media standing to be pleasant to be around. Already went through that even before social media's prime (today) and it was all "take 70 pics of me!" and "my pic didn't get enough likes, omg I'm stressing about this, should I take it down??" So fucking annoying.

@GT777733 right-o, all good points there
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(08-16-2019 01:34 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Roosh's US tour has uncovered pockets of good quality women in Madison and La Crosse before declaring Wyoming as the best place for women. I think he mentioned that he wouldn't have left for EE had he known about these locations.

Did Roosh talk about this in one of his videos or on another thread?
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^ I was just about to quote this, an interesting find that I don't doubt, to an extent. It's all risk/reward of course. It is true that most of us who post here likely live in big cities, and these are the worst places.

I wonder if those rural types (Wyoming, etc. - women and family) are generally better with age gaps. I think that's the big X factor of America vs. EE, for example.

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(08-16-2019 04:14 PM)Kish Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 01:34 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Roosh's US tour has uncovered pockets of good quality women in Madison and La Crosse before declaring Wyoming as the best place for women. I think he mentioned that he wouldn't have left for EE had he known about these locations.

Did Roosh talk about this in one of his videos or on another thread?

He talked about it in his last 2 videos. He specifically said that Wisconsin women reminded him of his experiences in Poland.
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(08-16-2019 04:14 PM)Kish Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 01:34 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Roosh's US tour has uncovered pockets of good quality women in Madison and La Crosse before declaring Wyoming as the best place for women. I think he mentioned that he wouldn't have left for EE had he known about these locations.

Did Roosh talk about this in one of his videos or on another thread?

He talked about it in his last 2 videos. He specifically said that Wisconsin women reminded him of his experiences in Poland.

I changed my tinder location to La Crosse WI and I've experienced that bitter-sweet feeling of matching attractive women who are 6,000km away. They are noticeably more attractive than what I am seeing in real life and on tinder in the UK for sure.
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Don't you corrupt the nice girls of Wisconsin! Laugh

They look nice on the outside, but their values aren't so great.

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(08-17-2019 01:36 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Don't you corrupt the nice girls of Wisconsin! Laugh

They look nice on the outside, but their values aren't so great.

If you liked Wisconsin girls for their combination of decent looks and attitudes, you'll find the highest quality white American girls in the more well off parts of the Southeast, excluding the major cities with an identity built upon corporate relocation and a population dominated by such corporate transplants and their children. Examples are Charlotte, Raleigh-Durham, and white Atlanta (black Atlanta is very different and has a strong identity attracting the best of blacks the country has to offer). These cities will be quite similar to any major city you've visited so far.

The downsides are that white southern girls are rather cliquish and generally like their men, even if they on the surface might even be dating down.
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RE: Are American Women Really That Bad?
(08-17-2019 01:36 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Don't you corrupt the nice girls of Wisconsin! Laugh

They look nice on the outside, but their values aren't so great.

Roosh, can you confirm or more fully explain your position that has been mentioned above? Would you say that some of these areas overcome American culture or not?

Any guess on even though they are better regionally, they still have the age gap issues that EE don't have, for example?

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RE: Are American Women Really That Bad?
Vince Vinturi's post articulated many of the things that I've experienced as well.

No matter where in the world you go, there are going to be a lot of pros and cons with the general traits of the local women.

I'm a 43 year old American that grew up on a tobacco farm in rural Tennessee. As an adult, I've lived in larger cities like Atlanta and Nashville, and have lived in two foreign countries, China and South Korea, where I currently live. I've spent seven years total in Korea since 2006, so my post is largely going to be a comparison of Korean women vs. American women.

The biggest con with American women is predictable: they usually allow themselves to become overweight and often become obese. That's a big problem, literally and figuratively. However, the thing that I like the most about American women is what I feel is largely underappreciated in this thread: their personalities. I'm not talking about the women in Atlanta or Nashville. The ones I like are the thin Daisy Duke types in the rural parts of the South. I can have so much fun with them and they can relate to me very easily because watching college football, going hunting, going camping, cutting down a Christmas tree, and so on...these are the things that they grew up seeing their own fathers doing. They don't think I'm a loser for growing up on the farm, they respect it. They don't think I'm a barbarian for hunting. And these gals can cook the foods I like to eat.

So I really enjoy the company of thin, rural Southern women. They know how to please a man like me. Would I marry one? The divorce laws in the USA make it a financial impossibility and since it's impossible to tell how big a woman will get or if they'll refuse to put out in the future, it's not feasible. Based on those realities, I prefer to enjoy relationships one day at a time without looking too far into the future.

I can't comment on many parts of the world as I've never been to Latin America or Africa and I've only vacationed in Europe, having spent fewer than 100 days of my life there. The one place I can offer a lot of insight to is South Korea, since I've spent a lot of time here.

Pros of Korean ladies:

The biggest pro by far is that they're usually a lot thinner than American women and they typically put on less weight as they age. This was especially the case the first time I arrived here in 2006. Since then, the gap has narrowed by at least 20%. American women got a head start at the buffet, but Korean gals are gaining fast, literally and figuratively. Still, in 2019, a much, much larger percentage of Korean women are pretty compared to American women and this is mostly because of the difference in the obesity rates. By the time my nephews are my age, it's very possible this might no longer be the case. I've been in the right place at the right time.

Another pro is that fewer Korean women have tattoos. I didn't see a single tattoo in Korea on men or women in 2006. That too has changed a lot and now I'd say at least 15% of Korean women between 20 and 40 have tattoos, usually smaller ones, often some type of script.

There are fewer feminists here, but the feminist movement has gained an incredible amount of steam just in the past year.

Tossups:

Loudness is a toss up. American women and Korean women are both really loud. Koreans are drastically quieter than Americans on public transportation, but both nationalities speak at a very high volume otherwise. Korean women are more likely to yell out of anger. I live in an apartment building and I often hear my neighbor's wives yelling, and they're yelling at their husbands, not their children.

Promiscuity is a tossup. Of course, this one can be a pro or a con, since it's a double-edged sword. In any case, it's pretty even.

Cons:

A really big one is what Vince alluded to and that's the cultural divide. It's a lot easier to have fun with American women. We get each other's sense of humor and we never do anything that's a breach of each other's social norm. It's not so noticeable when you date a foreign woman in the USA, but if you travel to a place that has rigid social rules, it makes things less fun. For example, an older Korean gal got offended when I didn't turn my head while I drank a beer. "You're younger than me. You MUST turn your head!" Shit like that. Going out with a traditional woman sounds real good and all until it actually happens, because it's the really traditional women who are set in their ways and strictly conform to obscure rules and rituals that are meaningless to outsiders. I go out with the less traditional or even non-traditional women for that reason. There's a greater degree of flexibility and fun.

The manners of Korean women is a big, big con for me and it might largely just be a difference in social norms. For example, a Korean man might would probably disagree with my position on this because we'd be looking at this from opposite perspectives. Whereas I would likely say Korean women have worse manners for doing things like habitually cutting line in public, a Korean man would likely say that American women have worse manners for doing things like not turning their heads when drinking beer.

I don't plan on marrying an American or a Korean, but for marriage-minded people, the transactional aspect of marriage in Korea is one thing that would scare me away from it. Most women here marry the wealthiest man they can possibly marry regardless of how they feel about him. The result is a lot of sexless marriages http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news...id=3020655 Most of the women I sleep with are married and they're married to rich men. They marry rich providers and then sleep with working-class men like me. Korea has always been like this but, at least in my opinion, Instagram and facebook are making it 1000 times worse. There are a lot of Americans and Koreans on my facebook. The American women usually just post memes, or updates about their daughter's school graduation, updates about a sick relative, etc. With the Korean women on my facebook, it's a constant bombardment of glamour shots done with Snapchat filters, photos of dinners at the fanciest restaurants, and a general flaunting of wealth. The competition makes women hold out too long for the richest men, causing the marriage rate here to plummet. https://pulsenews.co.kr/view.php?year=2019&no=168426 The low marriage rate affects the birth rate, and even the married couples don't want to have kids because only the richest ones can afford to have kids and still have enough money left over to purchase things to show off on facebook and Instagram. https://pulsenews.co.kr/view.php?year=2019&no=362228

Other cons of getting married to a Korean would be that a majority of them take the husband's paycheck and puts him on an allowance. https://old.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/...entage_of/

Many of them want to send a large allowance to their parents too, though I think this is a lot more common in southeast Asia than in Korea. https://old.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/...o/emtiogy/

That being said, men don't get divorce raped in Korea. The divorce laws here are fair. If you marry one, stay in Korea. Korea is pretty nice anyway since it has affordable healthcare, low crime, excellent public transportation, clean restaurants, cheap apartments, etc. If you bring a Korean wife to the USA, it's a different ball game. When I lived in Nashville 16 years ago, I was going out with a Korean divorcee. I was 27 and she was 35 but was still really hot at the time. She timed her divorce perfectly. She divorced her husband right after they had bought a new house, so she got the house. She got their new car. She said she got half of his $85,000 income in alimony for three years. She got a third of his income in child support and her daughters were only 6 and 4, so he was still paying child support until just two years ago. One night, she came over to my apartment and brought some Krispy Kreme doughnuts, obviously paid for with his alimony and child support, since she wasn't working. She received a call on her cell and it was him. She said he was begging her for $200 just to cover his apartment rent. Bear in mind that he was making $85,000 and she was earning $0, yet he was begging money from her. I happened to be reading the Gene Simmons book Sex, Money, Kiss at the time where he warned about that very thing, so I heeded those warnings and what I saw playing out in front of me verified everything he said in his book. I was making only half what her ex-husband was earning but had what I consider a high standard of living while his life was unnecessarily hard all because he got the lawyers, clergy, and the government involved in his sex life.

So, in closing, American women have their faults. I won't deny it, especially the obvious obesity problem. But women in other countries and women from other countries have their own sets of problems. There are always beautiful women around to have sex with no matter where you go, but, for long-term relationships in general and marriage in particular, perhaps there is no poosey paradise.
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RE: Are American Women Really That Bad?
(08-08-2019 03:14 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  If you're looking for casual flings, it's probably never been better. If you're looking for a meaningful and fulfilling relationship, it's definitely never been worse.

Women used to be the gatekeepers of sex, and men were the gatekeepers of relationships/commitment.

For the most part, women are now the gatekeepers of sex and relationships/commitment.

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RE: Are American Women Really That Bad?
(08-18-2019 02:10 AM)Hillbilly Wrote:  So I really enjoy the company of thin, rural Southern women. They know how to please a man like me. Would I marry one? The divorce laws in the USA make it a financial impossibility and since it's impossible to tell how big a woman will get or if they'll refuse to put out in the future, it's not feasible. Based on those realities, I prefer to enjoy relationships one day at a time without looking too far into the future.

My personal opinion is that the US has been engaged in a protracted gender war for nearly 100 years... with men generally disorganized and busily competing with one another for advantage.

The real truth is that what makes women in the US absolute shit, are the laws. Women have successfully made it so that they can get financial access to men long after the relationship is over. Additionally, the government funds their stupidity and poor life choices.

If American women were no longer able to gain from divorce, or live off government support, then they would rapidly reform.
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