Post: #176

Don't forget the other critical aspect, as important as any, and I always get to point it out: the number of men "available." Think about it for a second, lower numbers represent and reinforce the "fuck you money" corollary in the dating world. Biology is still biology, any girl that would check out, would have anyway, or just gotten crazy attention from thirsty idiots = she wasn't worth the time. Fewer men makes 6s turn into 7s, all the way on up.

Post: #177

(08-06-2019 10:01 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 12:04 AM)velkrum Wrote:  Unfortunately for white guys they don't have as much luck hooking up with south american girls as you do. Wish it were not so but that's life.

Tell me you're being sarcastic lol, otherwise I'd say this is coming from someone that's surely never been anywhere in South America or LatAm for that matter

Not sarcastic at all. You sound like you've never had experiences with latin american girls or likely not a white guy.

Post: #178

(08-04-2019 02:23 AM)asdfk Wrote:  No, American women are not that bad.

Please tell us you're kidding.

Post: #179

(08-07-2019 05:09 PM)Paig3 Wrote:  And btw - I'm 6'3 blue eyes/blonde, make $150k/year (which is not much, but way above average), I have white straight teeth (paid $10k for them here because nobody cares about your teeth in EE). I go get tan by the pool almost every day, I read books about daygame every day, I'm well traveled, well mannered and I can hold a conversation. And yet, I still struggle here to get decent women. I know I can easily hook up with chabby 4/10 but after 8+/10 EE girls I just can't afford that.

I made $50k in EE and got plenty of pussy. Now I make $150k and my daily job now is trying to get pussy. I was much happier back in EE.

Join the club. Many of us myself included are in the same dumb sinking boat. Same here. I'm good looking, tall, dress well and hold convos well. I go out on a daily but the girls aren't biting in US of Ass. The only women that I can honestly tell you that I've had the most success with are european. Anglo saxon american girls are a waste of time. Seriously I can't get my head around what the hell they want in a man. Anglo saxon american women are very guarded and too sensitive creatures. Theyre scared of their own shadow unlike european girls who are adventurous and smart and aren't scared of taking chances with any decent guy they just met.

The reason why you had stellar success in EE is because EE women are not the same as these ignorant, IG driven, materialistic anglo saxon women. Theres a huge difference between these 2 women. But at least you've got enough experience under your belt to validate this as fact.

I've just recently stopped giving a damn and started teasing girls to the point where I actually insult them. I actually enjoy seeing them insulted and hurt. It gives me pleasure doing that. If a girl bites an wants to hang with me thats cool If she doesn't well, she can go to hell in a breadbasket. As such, I'm no longer results oriented. To hell with that. Always depend your confidence on yourself not on any girl.

My advice: Insult american anglo saxon girls and don't expect anything out of them. From this some will respond well. But overall stick with euro girls and you'll do fine. I guarantee it.

Post: #180

Do any of you guys run credit checks on women, prior to dates, before allowing things to get serious? Criminal background checks? I'm thinking of ways to pre-screen American girls given all the baggage many have, and put them in the hotseat for a change.

I'm asking because many women have hidden, ie invisible, issues that take some digging. Many women have poor credit.

Employers frequently run credit checks, do social media screens, criminal background checks as well as landlords.

In fact, my aunt runs criminal background checks/ credit checks on everyone she meets if they become anything more than an acquaintance, as well as running them through PACER and other systems like that for warrants.

You know how women come to dates with a list of edicts or interview style questions? I'm convinced this may be a way to flip the script on them and start shit-testing them.

Post: #181

In my opinion:

Big city American women are pretty bad (at least in major metros), but nowadays European (including eastern) are catching up fast, so the disparity is getting smaller, it's kind of a race to the bottom.

UK women are worse than American ones IMO.

Post: #182

Just been to the church this morning with my family. There were 2 american tourists crossing the street at the time than us.
The man looked like an average man who could have a 6 as a wife in any normal country.
His woman was about 200 kilo fat.

A man should not be going out with such fat women , only if he is very fat himself , at the very least. So yes , american women might be very bad (and most of them are) but it is also the man's fault.

Post: #183

^^

When I see a normal man (average height/build) next to a fatty, I know he's a loser. It's sad when you see them next to a hippo.

Post: #184

(09-14-2019 08:10 AM)Switchez Wrote:  In my opinion:

Big city American women are pretty bad (at least in major metros), but nowadays European (including eastern) are catching up fast, so the disparity is getting smaller, it's kind of a race to the bottom.

UK women are worse than American ones IMO.

Eastern European girls are not as bad as american girls. Nor are they catching up to them; unless they've stayed in USA for a long period of time to the point where they've been groomed enough by US culture to categorize them as americanized. This is the only exception to this occurrence. So I seriously don't know why you'd think that.

I've gone out with UK girls also. They're not as bad as american girls based on my experience. But some can be as bad. Just not all.



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Post: #185

(09-15-2019 11:07 PM)zlaer Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 08:10 AM)Switchez Wrote:  In my opinion:

Big city American women are pretty bad (at least in major metros), but nowadays European (including eastern) are catching up fast, so the disparity is getting smaller, it's kind of a race to the bottom.

UK women are worse than American ones IMO.

Eastern European girls are not as bad as american girls. Nor are they catching up to them; unless they've stayed in USA for a long period of time to the point where they've been groomed enough by US culture to categorize them as americanized. This is the only exception to this occurrence. So I seriously don't know why you'd think that.

I've gone out with UK girls also. They're not as bad as american girls based on my experience. But some can be as bad. Just not all.

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Regarding Europeans:
Maybe "catching up" is not the right wording.
Let's say, "getting significantly worse over the years".
Their demands are going up, what they have to offer to a man is going down.

Post: #186

Eddie says it true:

Post: #187

I guess I'm the only one that thinks all this shit isn't really that much of a big deal. Guys don't try hard enough to improve themselves for the women they desire. You want an above average bird you need to be an above average man. Why so much focus on fat chicks and feminist with pink hair? God has given you the free will not to pursue a woman you don't feel an attraction towards, take advantage of it. Complaining about women like that are only excusable if you live in a small city. Even still, if you've lived there more than 2 years and haven't moved it becomes evident that having a good romance life isn't important to you.

I see average guys all the time with attractive women. ALL THE TIME. Getting an attractive woman online is hard if you don't have an online face. I can think of a dozen hollywood male leads that would get no love online. The first being Leonardo DiCaprio. He's got a dad bod and a round face at the age of 40. He would do no real numbers online without his social proof. Even with social proof there probably are some 18-22 year olds thought would swipe right on him because as they cull through their stack of men who've swiped right his look won't appear STRIKING enough.

Men will always do well by approaching the women they want. This is particularly the case if you feel like you have all your shit in order. Many of those men used social circle game. They deserve their trappings. They've been cultivating and nurturing friendships for years and yet you expect to get the same results as them from knowing somebody 2 minutes.

Nothing in life is easy. Everything beyond average requires work. I went on vacation for 12 days. I gained 10lbs. I've tried to lose that 10 lbs for the past 2 months and failed. This time I will be successful. That's how you have to approach life. Be resilient and put up an effort. It's not as easy for men now as it was in the 70s, but it's still easier than it was in the village times. Where men often went to war without ever having the opportunity to experience a woman. I'm not proofreading this btw. Excuse my grammatical missteps

Post: #188

(09-17-2019 09:07 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  I guess I'm the only one that thinks all this shit isn't really that much of a big deal. Guys don't try hard enough to improve themselves for the women they desire. You want an above average bird you need to be an above average man. Why so much focus on fat chicks and feminist with pink hair? God has given you the free will not to pursue a woman you don't feel an attraction towards, take advantage of it. Complaining about women like that are only excusable if you live in a small city. Even still, if you've lived there more than 2 years and haven't moved it becomes evident that having a good romance life isn't important to you.

I see average guys all the time with attractive women. ALL THE TIME. Getting an attractive woman online is hard if you don't have an online face. I can think of a dozen hollywood male leads that would get no love online. The first being Leonardo DiCaprio. He's got a dad bod and a round face at the age of 40. He would do no real numbers online without his social proof. Even with social proof there probably are some 18-22 year olds thought would swipe right on him because as they cull through their stack of men who've swiped right his look won't appear STRIKING enough.

Men will always do well by approaching the women they want. This is particularly the case if you feel like you have all your shit in order. Many of those men used social circle game. They deserve their trappings. They've been cultivating and nurturing friendships for years and yet you expect to get the same results as them from knowing somebody 2 minutes.

Nothing in life is easy. Everything beyond average requires work. I went on vacation for 12 days. I gained 10lbs. I've tried to lose that 10 lbs for the past 2 months and failed. This time I will be successful. That's how you have to approach life. Be resilient and put up an effort. It's not as easy for men now as it was in the 70s, but it's still easier than it was in the village times. Where men often went to war without ever having the opportunity to experience a woman. I'm not proofreading this btw. Excuse my grammatical missteps

There's tons of hot women in almost every major city, college town, or an affluent white suburb. The problem is that easily 95% of these attractive women have at least one, most likely a combination of these traits:

1) Notch count
2) Non religious
3) Partier
4) Careerist
5) Feminist
6) Constantly keeps a pipeline of backup dudes
7) Attention seeker
8) Brash and masculine personality
9) Annoying friends that are all of the above

Not to mention the entire mainstream culture reinforcing these traits.

You not only have to find an attractive woman, but you have to find a woman that is completely counterculture and almost a lone wolf in order to get an ideal situation.

Post: #189

^ Do you have a solution?

Post: #190

1) Notch count
Why does this matter besides ego that you aren't the first? Get her mind and she won't go anywhere.

2) Non religious
the "non religious" follow Christian values in the west, even if they dont realize it. everyone sins.

3) Partier
What is wrong with fun and stress relief?

4) Careerist
Ambition is bad? They will learn what's important as they grow. Even militant careerist females transition to family first by their 30s.

5) Feminist
Women should not have equal opportunities? Only a small number of women are SJW level feminists. Most are reasonable.

6) Constantly keeps a pipeline of backup dudes
She thinks they are only friends. Why does this matter if youre the best option in her mind? These other dudes only make you look better.

7) Attention seeker
Everyone wants recognition for their value to society and the opppsite sex. Mans value is providing and protection. You like attention for your big muscles and expensive car, for your intelligence and wit. She wants attention for her most valuable asset, her beauty. What's the difference?

8) Brash and masculine personality
Fair enough lol. This one annoys me too so I avoid these girls (only 10% of attractive women)

9) Annoying friends that are all of the above
Have your own friends. Make her join your party, dont join a woman's.

Post: #191

I can't tell if that's legit white knight or satire.

A good time girl can be all of the above. A long time girl shouldn't.

Post: #192

(09-18-2019 09:58 AM)tr1cky Wrote:  [...]

I really can't say if you're joking, or are actually serious.

Post: #193

I wrote this on another thread recently, but I believe it's highly accurate ...

One of the biggest obstacles for men on these forums and red pill type men when it comes to dating is not having a social circle or not being connected into a blue pill community or groups (I'm not talking about the guy being a recluse - I'm saying he often just sees the insanity that goes on with the group think mentality, social politics and 'keeping up appearances' in the West)

A lot of us crave freedom, independence, and control over our lives, and it often comes at the expense of being a part of well connected or high exposure type groups

The problem with that is, in the same way that large sections of girls are scooped up by the likes of Dan Bilzerian and other guys with notoriety and money on a global level, large sections of girls are scooped up by their social circles and the 'who you know and what are you in terms of status or standing' scene in their city or town. This is even more pronounced in some affluent countries (this is HUGE in Australia - women here are heavily plugged into social groups and circles and their own little social worlds that they may or may not want to be open minded or long sighted enough to peer out of). And to be honest, it's probably getting even more pronounced in 2019 and beyond where more women are becoming satisfied with their lives without men (because they have their jobs, money, family, friends, smartphone, social media, pets etc. to keep them entertained), and they can be of the mindset 'you meet my requirements for someone I want to fit into my life, or you can leave'.

Girls are drawn to a guy who is financially secure, in shape, and a guy who independent to a certain extent, but, in my experience, they are far more drawn to a guy who is well known and well connected amongst social groups and circles.

At the very least, to get a foot in the door, they want you to know one of their friends or someone they know so they know you aren't stranger danger, and so they know you aren't some weirdo.

It's very hard to get any leverage to get to know these girls unless you have that, or unless you are a regular part of her lifestyle in some way so you are exposed to her in a natural way. You're just another random guy hitting her up otherwise (if you're very good looking or you have some other very high value trait, she might consider you though).

The problem with this is, you are left with the 'leftover' girls, or you are playing a low odds game to find that lone wolf unicorn who is isn't crazy but is independent thinking enough not to play into the social games of life.

And, as I mentioned in the other thread, to solve this problem - many guys end up going abroad and starting new leveraging low living costs and better spending power, or running some type of novelty/exotic Western guy or provider game (or something similar).

If you want an LTR in the West and you want to give yourself good odds, you either need to start building social circles (and strategically place yourself in environments where you are going to meet the types of women you want), or you need to raise your value enough and go for a very compliant 6 or 7 who is going to see you as a major prize that you can hold frame over very easily. The problem I see with the social circle approach is that you are still dealing with the mindset of a lot of these Western women (who often value materialism, group think, etc.) - you will likely have to change your lifestyle and compromise on some of your important values - I don't like the sound of what that would do to a red pill type guy over the long term. It's like @graft said - girls can be easy to find once you know what you're doing and you have a niche, but, they essentially always fail one or multiple major screening tests if you're looking to keep them around as an LTR.

*The above is an observation (it's certainly part of a glass ceiling I've encountered) and a generalisation - I haven't spent time perfecting this answer. But, it's certainly something I wish I was aware of when I was in my very young 20's. I spent too much time at points worrying about certain things in regards to dating that were out of my control.

Post: #194

(09-18-2019 04:51 PM)GT777733 Wrote:  The problem with this is, you are left with the 'leftover' girls, or you are playing a low odds game to find that lone wolf unicorn who is isn't crazy but is independent thinking enough not to play into the social games of life.

And, as I mentioned in the other thread, to solve this problem - many guys end up going abroad and starting new leveraging low living costs and better spending power, or running some type of novelty/exotic Western guy or provider game (or something similar).

GT nails it of course. When I talk to mid-range girls who know what my profession is they always wonder "why I'm single". Mid range girls are nothing special. Older girls are nothing special. Women who don't take care of you are nothing special. That's why I'm still single. Of course I don't tell them that.

This is not a complaint --- it's reality, and our purpose in this forum is to think about how we can overcome this reality --- social circle has been substituted in the West, moving from family and community (local and religious) to entertainment/cool/technological/status "groups."

As GT points out, the ROI on these is not bad regarding looks, it's bad regarding the type of mate that you have plus the laws in the USA. And you're looking for a long term mate, that's the point. Anyone in it for a short term girl XYZ will have no problem with the ROI in that case.

His first paragraph above is what I call the lotto scenario in the West:

So, you don't get young girls, really, they are told career. Hmm, so you seek a not too old, not too propagandized girl ... hmmm, so you seek a niche girl in your conservative religion. I've played these games = lotto.

Yes, it can happen, but why not go to the sane culture of another locale, where because it's sane it is traditional, which also means that an age gap doesn't really matter if you are bringing the goods, whatever that means?

That's why my signature is the sign of the times for a guy who is solid in the west and wants actually an LTR, not another SDL

Post: #195

@ Kid Twist

Even going overseas has it's opportunity cost, trade offs, sacrifices/compromises and own set of problems - so, I don't personally see it as the final solution that some see it as. Although I agree certain cultures and women in certain countries are going to be what some men are looking for.

At some point I'm conscious we all have to sh*t or get off the pot though too - especially if we get to an age where we decide that having a family is extremely important to us above everything else. We either need to choose make it work in the West, or go overseas and make it work there.

There are some guys who don't like what is on offer from a LTR perspective in either scenario (for various reasons). Guys that get to that point I see as having two healthy paths (or you can try both in combination) - you get seriously involved in religion/your faith if you belong to one and try to live that life, or you commit yourself to trying to contribute to the world and other people's lives in a meaningful way whilst still taking care of yourself however you see fit (think Tesla, all the way down to a guy who volunteers or contributes in various ways in his local community, or even a guy who brings positivity and good vibes to his friends and family and the people he meets). You either swear off sex completely until/if you find the right woman, or you accept that you will be a bachelor indefinitely and you just try to enjoy a healthy mutual exchange with women with no expectations - whether that be as friends, or something physical as well.

That's as far down the rabbit hole as I've got at this stage, and where I sit mentally right now. Different guys will all have different takes on it.

What we have discussed above is very important though - guys should at least be aware of what the game is, what the external circumstances they are dealing with are, and then they can make their own decisions from there.

Post: #196

(09-18-2019 04:51 PM)GT777733 Wrote:  A lot of us crave freedom, independence, and control over our lives, and it often comes at the expense of being a part of well connected or high exposure type groups.

(09-18-2019 04:51 PM)GT777733 Wrote:  If you want an LTR in the West and you want to give yourself good odds, you either need to start building social circles (and strategically place yourself in environments where you are going to meet the types of women you want), or you need to raise your value enough and go for a very compliant 6 or 7 who is going to see you as a major prize that you can hold frame over very easily.

I've thought about this subject quite a bit following my breakup, mostly as I look ahead to the future.

The question is to what extent the individual man can play these games without giving up a piece of his soul in the process. If you pick a niche that is congruent with your personality and interests it shouldn't be a burden. Social proof can come from real life friends or it can come from having 10k followers on a social media account.

Say a guy is really into racing cars and starts an instagram page. He's game aware and has average or above average looks. He should be able to have a blast doing what he loves with his motorhead buddies and find some groupies in the process through instagram game. I know these modern girls scroll through the explore feed and DM guys that interest them.

That might not be the best example but you get what I mean. I don't even think she has to be interested in your exact niche. It's more about sheer social power.

Only question is whether or not throwing out a net in those waters would leave you with what you wanted after screening out all the trash.

Even though the direction of the forum has changed, the basics of game are still relevant. The one thing that is changing for a lot of guys is their screening methods.

Post: #197

@General Mayhem

Assuming the sort of girl you could conceivably want to build a life and potentially a family with is out there (some guys will argue that in the society we live in now - that's a real question you have to ask yourself first) ...

It depends on your personality, and the sort of girl you want to end up with.

I'm not saying that you can't find a partner on social media - people have done it. But like you alluded to - there's a lot of trash and attracting the wrong type of crowd that goes on on there (from my experience). Do you want to end up with a groupie, or a girl that sees value or attraction in guys with social media followings? Some guys might, other guys might not.

My experience is that the best way to do it is in person (for many reasons - less competition, more of a natural vibe, more leverage as a guy that isn't one of the hundreds of random guys hitting her up and you get put into the 'online guy' category by her, and so on) - you come across them through friends or mutual acquaintances, through a social physical activity (like mixed sports, or a yoga or martial arts class), at a private social gathering (like a party or house warming), through some type of work field, through some type of public event (a meetup about something you're both interested in) ... and so on, and so forth. Another reason this tends to work better is pre-qualification or social proof - she already sees you in person as part of her life, you are familiar to her, and ideally you know some of the people she knows (whereas online - you have to jump over all those hurdles to even get to meet her which can be time consuming).

In the example you've given - any car related event or setting would be a good opportunity to meet like minded girls I'd imagine. But, you could also conceivably meet them at a social gathering and find out you have mutual interests too.

Some of the guys that go overseas that end up doing the best in the long term are the guys that make the most effort to integrate themselves socially - learn the language, learn the culture, meet and befriend locals, join local sports and social activity groups, and so on. This might be another example.

But, at the end of the day, any exposure (including social media) is better than no exposure if you're willing to do the filtering. You're really just giving yourself as many tickets in the lotto as possible at the end of the day.

I was in two minds whether I mentioned this or not because it sounds semi black pill (and some guys will say it's bullshit and being negative) - but, the reality is that a lot of the best women you'll come across are in relationships already. Guys aren't dumb - when they find a 'unicorn', they will do anything to lock them down, or do whatever it takes to get them to stay with them. Generally, I've found that you have to have good timing in that you catch them as they are on the way out of a relationship or you catch them just as they have broken up and you happen to be a guy that is at the front of the line for her to get to know. The other option is you become friends with a girl in a relationship and she eventually leaves the BF for you - but, if she can do that to her current BF (talk to other guys on the side), what's to say she can't do it to you.

Even more reason to keep trying to be as high value as you can be (to whatever your own values align with and allow), so that if you do come across a girl that is worth it, you're giving yourself the best shot you can for something to eventuate. Preparation + opportunity = luck ... as they say.

*The above is just my experience and more generalisations from what I've seen. Other guys will have different views and takes on it.

Post: #198

I do have some serious doubts that a guy can meet a quality girl strictly through social media. Personally, I'd much rather meet girls in person. What I am thinking is that it can't hurt to have some social media currency as a hedge. Even if you meet a girl in person and she finds out you have that it's like her finding out you have a lucrative career.

I suppose a guy could go the opposite route, delete all social media and try to find a unicorn who has also sworn off the modern world. I've just never met one of those. I also don't think you can protect a girl from the degeneracy of the modern world on your own. There has to be some rebellion in her blood.

I've also thought a lot about the fact that the best women seem to always be in relationships. Although I feel like that's been mentioned many times on this forum over the years.

Girls who prioritize marriage and families do it early. The other day I was browsing social media to see what happened to the girls in my college social circle. It seems like the ones who wanted to settle down did just that and are married and some already have kids. The ones who stayed single are all addicted to the modern lifestyle.

So then the question is what's left? I feel like every time I meet a young girl who is single it's going to raise questions in my head. It's almost like a potential red flag. Is she single because she wants to party and have fun? Just out of a relationship? Batshit crazy?

I've got a lot of work to do on the ground to get answers to some of these questions.

Post: #199

(09-18-2019 08:10 PM)GT777733 Wrote:  There are some guys who don't like what is on offer from a LTR perspective in either scenario (for various reasons). Guys that get to that point I see as having two healthy paths (or you can try both in combination) - you get seriously involved in religion/your faith if you belong to one and try to live that life, or you commit yourself to trying to contribute to the world and other people's lives in a meaningful way whilst still taking care of yourself however you see fit (think Tesla, all the way down to a guy who volunteers or contributes in various ways in his local community, or even a guy who brings positivity and good vibes to his friends and family and the people he meets). You either swear off sex completely until/if you find the right woman, or you accept that you will be a bachelor indefinitely and you just try to enjoy a healthy mutual exchange with women with no expectations - whether that be as friends, or something physical as well.

That's as far down the rabbit hole as I've got at this stage, and where I sit mentally right now. Different guys will all have different takes on it.

Its interesting you bring this up as it is the point I find myself at in life at 30 years old. I am not a faith based person and taking a full dive in probably won't do it for me, though like all things in life, I could be wrong. I currently try to live my life on the other path of contributing to the world by simply being a decent and pleasant person to be around. Thats all well and good but I've reached a forked point that you bring up as to do I keep spinning plates or do I swear off sex until I find a LTR worth pursuing?

My only problem with that fork in the road is that its hard to swear off sex when I live in america and everything here is in a state of clown world. I have no desire to get a LTR here and plan to eventually settle down with a SEA woman. But that could be years out as I help take care of my grandmothers and mom and help run a decent sized small business. Hard to say I'm going cold turkey when the light at the end of the tunnel is years and years away despite wanting to start reach it today. Oh well, I just keep saving money in the bank and know I'll get there one day if I don't get killed by any medical issues.

Post: #200

Keep yourself busy with Hobbys. Lift, row, sail, dance or box.

There are many awesome activities to do in your free time. I see it this way: maybe my purpose is not to reproduce. Maybe my calling is to take care of a family member that no one else would otherwise take care of. I would honestly live a life of professional and personal fulfillment, rather than marry the wrong women for the wrong reasons.

I am 28 years old now, and while I am as fit as I ever was, the raw desire for sex just diminishes each year. Suddenly I am starting to notice other features on women: how clear is their skin, the amount of makeup she uses, the amount of piercings and tattoos. And so on. There are very few LTR material women around. Even in the lovely Dusseldorf.