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Poll: Which group is responsible for the current predicament Western Civilization finds itself
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Women
Christianity
Insecure and weak Beta and Gamma males posing as alphas
The elites (non (((usual suspects)))) who have fallen into decadence
Leftists and leftist allies
Degenerate alpha males who misuse their gifts
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Black pilled puts forward a hypothesis that the elites are just selectively breeding us proles in order to try and create a future population that is obedient, docile, stupid, and unable to threaten their supremacy. In the same process as artificial selection in domestication, the people whom the elites see as a threat are presented with an endless stream of propaganda encouraging them not to reproduce, while the preferred phenotypes of humanity are given welfare subsidies to encourage reproduction.

For a good example of this look at Asians: here you've got a group of high-IQ low-T conformists. They've already been handily bred by their own civilizations into the perfect professional caste that won't threaten the elite caste. So you don't see a lot of pro tranny propaganda featuring asians, despite the historic prevalence of ladyboys or whatever perverted shit they've got going on in SE Asia. You also don't see every single asian woman paired up with a big black bull in advertising and tv shows. Asian fathers aren't the ones portrayed in the Gillette ad lecturing their children not to have a tussle in the backyard.

Comparatively whites are prone to getting political, or getting paranoid and moving into a rural area to start a militia. I don't mean to be derisive about this, half the shit I watch on youtube is survivalist stuff. Breeding all that liberty crap out of the white population is why we're being fed this endless stream of propaganda. That's why young guys are such gender-confused pansies these days, they've had a whole K-12 education pathologizing everything they do. And it's selecting for the bugman phenotype: premature baldness, tendency to gape the mouth, lisping effete voices, skinnyfat builds. Same as how wolves get floppy ears and big eyes when they get bred into dogs. If we could understand wolves, we'd probably hear them howling "FAG!" when they see a dog.
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I think it's the top level bankers. Many are Jews, but not all, just as all Jews are not bankers. It's a Venn diagram situation.

Anyway, the elite bankers want everyone on the planet to be debt slaves, and this is best done by encouraging a decadent, anti-family, maximum government society full of broken families and broken people.

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The correct answer is Christianity. Knights Templar and Jesuits were the first secret societies with a hidden agenda. Everyone else - the Masons, the (((usual suspects))), the socialists and others made their lodges based on their template.

Even before these organizations, Christianity destroyed the Pagan wisdom that showed how each individual can connect to the divine directly and installed a universal cult of priesthood. From this point on nearly all the people are dependent on "teachers" and "scriptures" to understand what is true and what is not and are incapable of beholding the truth on their own by uniting with God/nature. This was the first step needed to make the world a fertile ground for any further form of subversion including feminism, leftism, homosexuality, socialism, credit, drugs et cetera.

Today Christianity plays a role of controlled opposition.
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This poll went in the usual direction. I keep saying that prosperity breeds decadence but that doesn't offer a convenient scapegoat and feels a bit too fatalistic, but that is the truth, whether it's the last days of Rome or where we are today in the West. Prosperity brings about its own destruction. Human society evolved to deal with scarcity, not surplus.
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(05-11-2019 03:53 AM)Mage Wrote:  The correct answer is Christianity. Knights Templar and Jesuits were the first secret societies with a hidden agenda. Everyone else - the Masons, the (((usual suspects))), the socialists and others made their lodges based on their template.

Even before these organizations, Christianity destroyed the Pagan wisdom that showed how each individual can connect to the divine directly and installed a universal cult of priesthood. From this point on nearly all the people are dependent on "teachers" and "scriptures" to understand what is true and what is not and are incapable of beholding the truth on their own by uniting with God/nature. This was the first step needed to make the world a fertile ground for any further form of subversion including feminism, leftism, homosexuality, socialism, credit, drugs et cetera.

Today Christianity plays a role of controlled opposition.

The correct answer is "feminist women".

Every other group, while they may be evil, can be controlled or counteracted. Only witches - the handmaidens of Satan - can truly subvert a society. That's why they used to burn them.
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^^ Feminists can be controlled bro! All their freedom is what we give them.

Degenerate alpha males who misuse their gifts - as much as I didn't vote for this, Its starting to sink in.
- They are the ones who allowed the (((usual suspects))) in
- They didn't take their rightful place, they just slayed women and stacked cash, so our leaders are betas and gammas
- The same can be said for 'elites who aren't (them), these could be alphas but I think they are to blame for their greed.

When we place to much power into money, and we don't have a masculine society, and let women control so much, I am not sure an alpha will always rises to the top. Not all Alphas are women charmers as we think of in the dating sphere, they are primarily leaders of men. And the bishes just like that and follow along.

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(05-12-2019 10:44 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  ^^ Feminists can be controlled bro! All their freedom is what we give them.

Degenerate alpha males who misuse their gifts - as much as I didn't vote for this, Its starting to sink in.
- They are the ones who allowed the (((usual suspects))) in
- They didn't take their rightful place, they just slayed women and stacked cash, so our leaders are betas and gammas
- The same can be said for 'elites who aren't (them), these could be alphas but I think they are to blame for their greed.

When we place to much power into money, and we don't have a masculine society, and let women control so much, I am not sure an alpha will always rises to the top. Not all Alphas are women charmers as we think of in the dating sphere, they are primarily leaders of men. And the bishes just like that and follow along.

Young guys *always* think they can control lesbians/Feminists -- big talk about 'alphas" and "gammas" -- then a few years later, you see those same guys being led on a collar by some dyke.
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(05-12-2019 11:26 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 10:44 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  ^^ Feminists can be controlled bro! All their freedom is what we give them.

Degenerate alpha males who misuse their gifts - as much as I didn't vote for this, Its starting to sink in.
- They are the ones who allowed the (((usual suspects))) in
- They didn't take their rightful place, they just slayed women and stacked cash, so our leaders are betas and gammas
- The same can be said for 'elites who aren't (them), these could be alphas but I think they are to blame for their greed.

When we place to much power into money, and we don't have a masculine society, and let women control so much, I am not sure an alpha will always rises to the top. Not all Alphas are women charmers as we think of in the dating sphere, they are primarily leaders of men. And the bishes just like that and follow along.

Young guys *always* think they can control lesbians/Feminists -- big talk about 'alphas" and "gammas" -- then a few years later, you see those same guys being led on a collar by some dyke.

I don't get what you're driving at, can you explain?

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(05-11-2019 03:53 AM)Mage Wrote:  The correct answer is Christianity. Knights Templar and Jesuits were the first secret societies with a hidden agenda. Everyone else - the Masons, the (((usual suspects))), the socialists and others made their lodges based on their template.

Even before these organizations, Christianity destroyed the Pagan wisdom that showed how each individual can connect to the divine directly and installed a universal cult of priesthood. From this point on nearly all the people are dependent on "teachers" and "scriptures" to understand what is true and what is not and are incapable of beholding the truth on their own by uniting with God/nature. This was the first step needed to make the world a fertile ground for any further form of subversion including feminism, leftism, homosexuality, socialism, credit, drugs et cetera.

Today Christianity plays a role of controlled opposition.

Not this again. The pagan guy prefers the created over the Creator

as if pagan societies didn't or haven't done all manner of degenerate things

gimme a break Mage, internally your shit is so inconsistent it's laughable. A shaman is a priest, no one knows any more "naturally" how to connect with the divine in your fantasy pagan world, it's the same shit, we'd just use different terms for the same "subverted" humans to act out

as if snake oil salesmen are purely products of modern society; you clearly lack knowledge of humanity, gtfo with this crap

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(05-12-2019 11:26 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 10:44 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  ^^ Feminists can be controlled bro! All their freedom is what we give them.

Degenerate alpha males who misuse their gifts - as much as I didn't vote for this, Its starting to sink in.
- They are the ones who allowed the (((usual suspects))) in
- They didn't take their rightful place, they just slayed women and stacked cash, so our leaders are betas and gammas
- The same can be said for 'elites who aren't (them), these could be alphas but I think they are to blame for their greed.

When we place to much power into money, and we don't have a masculine society, and let women control so much, I am not sure an alpha will always rises to the top. Not all Alphas are women charmers as we think of in the dating sphere, they are primarily leaders of men. And the bishes just like that and follow along.

Young guys *always* think they can control lesbians/Feminists -- big talk about 'alphas" and "gammas" -- then a few years later, you see those same guys being led on a collar by some dyke.

Lesbians and feminists were barely a thing before the 1960s. Somehow women had been around for 2,000 years of western civilization without that feminist scourge, but suddenly in the 1960s it started taking over...

Their rise was programmed, and you refuse to acknowledge this simple fact and look at the cultural forces that spawned and pushed it.





Perhaps you could also appreciate the fact that although most of the agents of feminism and their funders were Jewish, NAJALT. This video is a good proof of this, you have righteous Jews (like movie producer Aaron Russo seen here) who vehemently reject that nefarious program, as do all of our MOT fellow Rooshers.

But you have to recognize that feminism was just a chapter of Tikkun Olam, the emanation of the Jewish revolutionary spirit, as are other subversive leftist anti-Christian anti-traditional causes like gay activism and racial strife. All these movement emerged as Jews started taking control of political and cultural levers in the post-war era. E. Michael Jones on the subject:





At the root of this cultural force you have a messianic, supremacist Sabbatean Frankist movement, which half of European jewry followed in the 17th-18th century, including tribal leaders like the Rothschilds. This movement covers both sides of the political spectrum, the cultural marxist left as well as the national zionist right.

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It didn't just start in the 60s. Remember the suffragettes around the turn of the century? The flappers of the 1920s?

The industrial revolution created prosperity. Properity liberates women. Liberated women weaken men and male institutions.

It merely accelerated in the 60s because of the counter-culture movement and the pill.

Same deal with past civilizations that had an empire's peak ala Rome or the british empire. Wealth (and slave labor) was concentrated from conquered states and functioned similarly to fossil fuels and machinery does today.

Again, there will be this continued search for scapegoats but it's ultimately a macro result of "progress".

The easier life gets, the more humanity struggles to function because we evolved to deal with a hardscrabble life.

We want desperately to escape ahard life but when we do, we can't handle it.

Nobody wants to accept this portrait of the situation because it doesn't present some easy target to attack, but that's the reality of the situation. This entire poll is built on a false premise.

If you want to really fix the problem you'd need to genetically engineer these traits out of the human genome, otherwise it will require us collapsing back into a warlordism state to bring back a more patriarchal society ala Mad Max.
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(05-11-2019 03:53 AM)Mage Wrote:  The correct answer is Christianity. Knights Templar and Jesuits were the first secret societies with a hidden agenda. Everyone else - the Masons, the (((usual suspects))), the socialists and others made their lodges based on their template.

Even before these organizations, Christianity destroyed the Pagan wisdom that showed how each individual can connect to the divine directly and installed a universal cult of priesthood. From this point on nearly all the people are dependent on "teachers" and "scriptures" to understand what is true and what is not and are incapable of beholding the truth on their own by uniting with God/nature. This was the first step needed to make the world a fertile ground for any further form of subversion including feminism, leftism, homosexuality, socialism, credit, drugs et cetera.

Today Christianity plays a role of controlled opposition.

What kind of twisted logic is this, lumping the Masons, Commies and zionists with Christianity?!? It is precisely those groups that have been conspiring for centuries to subvert and overthrow the Church. My ancestors had the foresight to crush the Templars, who were kabbalist homo heretics that were conspiring to subvert and overthrow the moral order.

Incidentally, you are also a kabbalist, right? Deception and projection are part of that trade, what adepts refer to as "Magick", the art of deception, done by mages, so your handle here is very a propos...

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(05-15-2019 02:26 PM)questor70 Wrote:  It didn't just start in the 60s. Remember the suffragettes around the turn of the century? The flappers of the 1920s?

The industrial revolution created prosperity. Properity liberates women. Liberated women weaken men and male institutions.

It merely accelerated in the 60s because of the counter-culture movement and the pill.

Same deal with past civilizations that had an empire's peak ala Rome or the british empire. Wealth (and slave labor) was concentrated from conquered states and functioned similarly to fossil fuels and machinery does today.

Again, there will be this continued search for scapegoats but it's ultimately a macro result of "progress".

The easier life gets, the more humanity struggles to function because we evolved to deal with a hardscrabble life.

We want desperately to escape ahard life but when we do, we can't handle it.

Nobody wants to accept this portrait of the situation because it doesn't present some easy target to attack, but that's the reality of the situation. This entire poll is built on a false premise.

If you want to really fix the problem you'd need to genetically engineer these traits out of the human genome, otherwise it will require us collapsing back into a warlordism state to bring back a more patriarchal society ala Mad Max.


Wealth alone doesn't bring feminism.

The British empire and most of western Europe all had large, post-industrial wealthy classes, back when Europe completely dominated the world economy, with a substantial portion of society living in material comfort, but there was absolutely no feminism. Those were traditional Christian societies were for example divorce or out of wedlock births were very rare and frowned upon, and women didn't venture much outside of the domestic realm. That was also the case in the 1950s, after over a century of industrial development, where you had large middle classes that were nearly as affluent as they are today in terms of purchasing power.

The notion of feminism being a natural product of wealth is further dispelled by the fact that you have had very poor communist societies where the most extreme forms of feminism raged on. The current family law legal framework is essentially the same as the one set up by the (((Bolsheviks))) 100 years ago in the USSR in order to destroy the social and moral order. Here is an article from 1926 that described the situation there:

Quote:When the Bolsheviki came into power in 1917 they regarded the family, like every other 'bourgeois' institution, with fierce hatred, and set out with a will to destroy it. 'To clear the family out of the accumulated dust of the ages we had to give it a good shakeup, and we did,' declared Madame Smidovich, a leading (((Communist))) and active participant in the recent discussion. So one of the first decrees of the Soviet Government abolished the term 'illegitimate children.' This was done simply by equalizing the legal status of all children, whether born in wedlock or out of it, and now the Soviet Government boasts that Russia is the only country where there are no illegitimate children. The father of a child is forced to contribute to its support, usually paying the mother a third of his salary in the event of a separation, provided she has no other means of livelihood.

At the same time a law was passed which made divorce a matter of a few minutes, to be obtained at the request of either partner in a marriage. Chaos was the result.

...'Some men have twenty wives, living a week with one, a month with another,' asserted an indignant woman delegate during the sessions of the Tzik. 'They have children with all of them, and these children are thrown on the street for lack of support! (There are three hundred thousand bezprizorni or shelterless children in Russia to-day, who are literally turned out on the streets. They are one of the greatest social dangers of the present time, because they are developing into professional criminals. More than half of them are drug addicts and sex perverts. It is claimed by many Communists that the break-up of the family is responsible for a large percentage of these children.)

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc...ge/306295/



I think you've basically internalized all the socially engineered degeneracy as something that is a natural part of economic development, the fish in water phenomenon. Social engineering and cultural conditioning are what brought feminism to the fore.

The 1920s and the first wave of feminism were the first attempt, but they did not have a major impact in altering society. It wasn't until the takeover of academia by the Frankfurt School in combination with the active pushing of the sexual revolution encapsulated in the 1960s engineered "counter-culture" that feminism finally took hold.

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(05-15-2019 02:13 PM)911 Wrote:  Lesbians and feminists were barely a thing before the 1960s. Somehow women had been around for 2,000 years of western civilization without that feminist scourge, but suddenly in the 1960s it started taking over...

No. Feminists and lesbians have been around as long as there have been women. They were just called something else.

In every society, they are the 10% or whatever of the population of women who, because of anger issues of ugliness, couldn't create or maintain a relationship with a man, or would be sluts, and then would become angry and vengeful and try to destroy the village/town/tribe whatever by luring young girls down their path. The married women would make their husbands drive these feminst/lesbians out of town, so they wouldn't screw up the minds of their daughters.

Feminism became a thing in 1960 because, for the first time in human history, the traditional need for family and marriage was dropped. The western world had so much technology and so much food that women lost their need to ensure a man could provide for them. Women therefore started slacking off and allowing the 10% bad women, feminists and lesbians, to start running wild. Yes most lesbians and feminists are intellectuals, communiists, and jews, but that's correlation, not causation.
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(05-14-2019 10:08 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 03:53 AM)Mage Wrote:  The correct answer is Christianity. Knights Templar and Jesuits were the first secret societies with a hidden agenda. Everyone else - the Masons, the (((usual suspects))), the socialists and others made their lodges based on their template.

Even before these organizations, Christianity destroyed the Pagan wisdom that showed how each individual can connect to the divine directly and installed a universal cult of priesthood. From this point on nearly all the people are dependent on "teachers" and "scriptures" to understand what is true and what is not and are incapable of beholding the truth on their own by uniting with God/nature. This was the first step needed to make the world a fertile ground for any further form of subversion including feminism, leftism, homosexuality, socialism, credit, drugs et cetera.

Today Christianity plays a role of controlled opposition.

Not this again. The pagan guy prefers the created over the Creator

as if pagan societies didn't or haven't done all manner of degenerate things

gimme a break Mage, internally your shit is so inconsistent it's laughable. A shaman is a priest, no one knows any more "naturally" how to connect with the divine in your fantasy pagan world, it's the same shit, we'd just use different terms for the same "subverted" humans to act out

as if snake oil salesmen are purely products of modern society; you clearly lack knowledge of humanity, gtfo with this crap

Only ad hominems, no arguments in your post.

How much do you know about how shamans operate? I bet your perception of them is Christian based. You just have to assume they are analogous to that faith that you know.

There are always people in all societies and in all times more interested in spiritual then others these would become shamans or priests, depending on society. The difference is that shamans are not a separate excluded caste, like Christian priests. To became a shaman you do not have to prove your loyalty to authority and you do not require years of brainwashing and dubious scripture. To became a shaman you must have access to astral world or higher and be able to practically demonstrate results. You do not have to belong to a shaman guild or whatever, anyone who reaches a certain level of attainment can do it.

Paganism may appear inconsistent because it is a broad umbrella term and there is no dogma. We have lost a lot of knowledge and and that knowledge stands above human reason, much can only be learned trough trial and error and is often counter-intuitive. Also paganism is not a revelation theology so there is no requirement for any divine power to explain it all to us.

Christianity is still inconstant even after two millennia of dogma and despite it relaying on human reason and believing theology can be explained by speculation. It is revelation theology meaning God could easily explain all the unclear questions that Christians argue internally for millennial like what happens to aborted babies or faith vs works argument and many others. Instead Christian God is silent and not does not deliver any proper revelation, all Christian theology is invented by Paul and other speculators and it still has many inconsistencies and plot holes.
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(05-15-2019 02:34 PM)911 Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 03:53 AM)Mage Wrote:  The correct answer is Christianity. Knights Templar and Jesuits were the first secret societies with a hidden agenda. Everyone else - the Masons, the (((usual suspects))), the socialists and others made their lodges based on their template.

Even before these organizations, Christianity destroyed the Pagan wisdom that showed how each individual can connect to the divine directly and installed a universal cult of priesthood. From this point on nearly all the people are dependent on "teachers" and "scriptures" to understand what is true and what is not and are incapable of beholding the truth on their own by uniting with God/nature. This was the first step needed to make the world a fertile ground for any further form of subversion including feminism, leftism, homosexuality, socialism, credit, drugs et cetera.

Today Christianity plays a role of controlled opposition.

What kind of twisted logic is this, lumping the Masons, Commies and zionists with Christianity?!? It is precisely those groups that have been conspiring for centuries to subvert and overthrow the Church. My ancestors had the foresight to crush the Templars, who were kabbalist homo heretics that were conspiring to subvert and overthrow the moral order.

Incidentally, you are also a kabbalist, right? Deception and projection are part of that trade, what adepts refer to as "Magick", the art of deception, done by mages, so your handle here is very a propos...

It is not a twisted logic, it is history. Spend some time educating yourself properly how all these secret societies were formed and begun.

Nobody is seriously attacking any church today. Church is just an outdated version of globalism - globalism 1.0. Now there is a new secular globalism 2.0 invented. There is some small struggle for forcing people to move up from the outdated version 1.0 to the new 2.0, but for the most part globalism 1.0 is still useful as a trap where all 95% of the people who wish to run from the more obviously evil globalism 2.0 end up in. Like I said a controlled opposition.

I am not a kaballist, because I am not jewish. I was studying it because I study any spiritual system that has any truth in it. Kaballah holds very powerful spirtiual insights that Christians do not have. Because of this a person using kaballist knowledge can rule over ignorant masses. White indo-europeans also had the same level of knowledge in our ancient pagan past, but it has been wiped out by Christianity. This has made indo-europeans weak and vulnerable to subversion like credit and usury for example. This is because we deny our ancient knowledge traces of which can be found in the surviving records about paganism. Although Kabbalah users and Pagans are at odds with each other - a lot of the true meaning of ancient paganism can be only be understood after one has learned about the truth from the one surviving albeit opposing system of knowledge that is Kabbalah.

If we valued nature as sacred and if we would live much more natural lifestyles as Pagans, we would be pretty much immune to usury and similar kabbalah user subversions. But since society is brainwashed by Christianity to seek God in secluded expensive artificial Churches and adopt the lifestyle of us believing we are above nature - our indo-european society is so weak against usury and masters of Kabbalah rule us trough this monetary system.
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Just think of all those intelligent celibate monks who didn't pass on their genes.

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Feminism became a thing in 1960 because, for the first time in human history, the traditional need for family and marriage was dropped. The western world had so much technology and so much food that women lost their need to ensure a man could provide for them. Women therefore started slacking off and allowing the 10% bad women, feminists and lesbians, to start running wild. Yes most lesbians and feminists are intellectuals, communiists, and jews, but that's correlation, not causation.

This is a stellar style of debate.

Instead of actually supporting your opinion with facts or even just viable conjecture you simply say "every parallel that supports my argument is causative and every parallel that doesn't is merely correlative."

Cool story bro.

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I see 911 can't give up his Bolshevik - Frankfurt School theory about the origins of feminism in the West. Maybe literal Communists and a bunch of obscure theorists whose name 99% of Americans don't even know had some influence at the margins, but it was very minor compared to the market economics and electoral forces.

There should be a new theory for discourse here.

Call it Simeon's Razor: when there's a choice between interpreting the world with your eyes and ears, or believing that shadowy forces of a cabal are at work, believe in the cabal.

People on the right can't admit the social effects of capitalism, which is at least as destructive of traditional ways of life as communism, because "muh free market."

Again, for me it's simple and easy to see:

1. Capitalists wanted to put women to work for two reasons: (a) women having money allows them to buy and buy the shit they like to buy, growing demand, and
(b) expanding the labor force with women keeps wages down by increasing supply.

plus

2. The political pressure created by giving women the vote, and the desire for the women constituency to have more individual money and freedom, which corresponded with (1).

The forces of the market and electoral politics are more than 1000x stronger in the USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, and Europe than almost-unreadable writings of Frankfurt School theorists.

At the same time the Bolsheviks were experimenting with radical equality theories (which they abandoned: it's been pointed out so many times here that the later Communist and post-Communist societies had and have more traditional women), Edward Bernays, the "father of modern public relations and advertising" was working to destroy the social convention against women smoking. That was strictly in the service of capitalism.
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Pure market drivers as explanations for this stuff has been blown out of the water by supposedly profit-driven corporations hemorrhaging billions of dollars to push fat, fag and trans acceptance, not to mention 50 solid years of marxist university indoctrination in nearly every educational institution which itself is presented as anti-capitalist.

And of course you'd have to ignore the words of the billionaire oligarchs of decades past who themselves openly admitted they were pushing this shit for reasons that had nothing to do with their bottom line whatsoever.

The half-awake love simple, blameless explanations like "market drivers" because if they admitted that there are real villains then the solution becomes somewhat more obvious, and obvious solutions demand a follow-through that the half-awake don't want to commit to. It's far easier to simply blame something formless and irrepressible because you can justify shrugging your shoulders and washing your hands of any responsibility to act.

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(05-16-2019 05:35 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Pure market drivers as explanations for this stuff has been blown out of the water by hemorrhaging billions of dollars to push fat, fag and trans acceptance, not to mention 50 solid years of marxist university indoctrination in nearly every educational institution which itself is presented as anti-capitalist.

And of course you'd have to ignore the words of the billionaire oligarchs of decades past who themselves openly admitted they were pushing this shit for reasons that had nothing to do with their bottom line whatsoever.

The half-awake love simple, blameless explanations like "market drivers" because if they admitted that there are real villains then the solution becomes somewhat more obvious, and obvious solutions demand a follow-through that the half-awake don't want to commit to. It's far easier to simply blame something formless and irrepressible because you can justify shrugging your shoulders and washing your hands of any responsibility to act.

C'mon, Lenny. You'll have to provide examples of "supposedly profit-driven corporations hemorrhaging billions of dollars to push fat, fag and trans acceptance."

These things are subject to analysis through hard data. The Securities and Exchange Commission and shareholder democracy demand it.

And who said there are no villains or remedies? Certainly, Bernays pushing cigarettes on women as "Torches of Freedom" might qualify as a villain. It's more like blaming some obscure Frankfurt School, almost all dead now, and a few ranting professors, absolves the real system grinding people down.

Note this is a logarithmic scale, Dow closed yesterday at 25,648.02 +115.97 (0.45%)

[Image: 2000px-DJIA_historical_graph_to_jul11_%28log%29.svg.png]

Maybe more illustrative:

[Image: MW-FR531_dow080_20170802110445_ZH.png?uu...8e992d421e]

[Image: FallingWages-300x225.png]
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(05-16-2019 05:46 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  
(05-16-2019 05:35 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Pure market drivers as explanations for this stuff has been blown out of the water by hemorrhaging billions of dollars to push fat, fag and trans acceptance, not to mention 50 solid years of marxist university indoctrination in nearly every educational institution which itself is presented as anti-capitalist.

And of course you'd have to ignore the words of the billionaire oligarchs of decades past who themselves openly admitted they were pushing this shit for reasons that had nothing to do with their bottom line whatsoever.

The half-awake love simple, blameless explanations like "market drivers" because if they admitted that there are real villains then the solution becomes somewhat more obvious, and obvious solutions demand a follow-through that the half-awake don't want to commit to. It's far easier to simply blame something formless and irrepressible because you can justify shrugging your shoulders and washing your hands of any responsibility to act.

C'mon, Lenny. You'll have to provide examples of "supposedly profit-driven corporations hemorrhaging billions of dollars to push fat, fag and trans acceptance."

These things are subject to analysis through hard data. The Securities and Exchange Commission and shareholder democracy demand it.

And who said there are no villains or remedies? Certainly, Bernays pushing cigarettes on women as "Torches of Freedom" might qualify as a villain. It's more like blaming some obscure Frankfurt School, almost all dead now, and a few ranting professors, absolves the real system grinding people down.

Seriously, you're disputing the effect of women-controlled consumption on the economy's growth? I suggest you drive for however many hours it takes to get from Bumfuck, Outback to a large urban mall.

Note this is a logarithmic scale, Dow closed yesterday at 25,648.02 +115.97 (0.45%)

[Image: 2000px-DJIA_historical_graph_to_jul11_%28log%29.svg.png]

Maybe more illustrative:

[Image: MW-FR531_dow080_20170802110445_ZH.png?uu...8e992d421e]

[Image: FallingWages-300x225.png]
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(05-16-2019 05:46 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  
(05-16-2019 05:35 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Pure market drivers as explanations for this stuff has been blown out of the water by hemorrhaging billions of dollars to push fat, fag and trans acceptance, not to mention 50 solid years of marxist university indoctrination in nearly every educational institution which itself is presented as anti-capitalist.

And of course you'd have to ignore the words of the billionaire oligarchs of decades past who themselves openly admitted they were pushing this shit for reasons that had nothing to do with their bottom line whatsoever.

The half-awake love simple, blameless explanations like "market drivers" because if they admitted that there are real villains then the solution becomes somewhat more obvious, and obvious solutions demand a follow-through that the half-awake don't want to commit to. It's far easier to simply blame something formless and irrepressible because you can justify shrugging your shoulders and washing your hands of any responsibility to act.

C'mon, Lenny. You'll have to provide examples of "supposedly profit-driven corporations hemorrhaging billions of dollars to push fat, fag and trans acceptance."

These things are subject to analysis through hard data. The Securities and Exchange Commission and shareholder democracy demand it.

And who said there are no villains or remedies? Certainly, Bernays pushing cigarettes on women as "Torches of Freedom" might qualify as a villain. It's more like blaming some obscure Frankfurt School, almost all dead now, and a few ranting professors, absolves the real system grinding people down.

Note this is a logarithmic scale, Dow closed yesterday at 25,648.02 +115.97 (0.45%)


This is an incredibly short-sighted statement that totally flies in the face of reality. Frankly I have a hard time understanding how anyone on this forum of all places can have the gall to write something as misguided as this...

The Frankfurt School is anything but dead, it has unleashed cultural marxism and completely taken over academia, shaping the mindset of hundreds of thousands of graduates and taking over all aspects of popular culture, mainstream media, corporate culture and most governments across the West, as well as foreign policy, with the US now making globohomo an integral part of their policy doctrine.

George Soros for instance is a pure product of the Frankfurt School, he was mentored by Karl Popper, one of its leaders. His Open Society Foundation is nothing but the pure implementation of Karl Popper's cultural marxist ideology, down to its name, based on Popper's "Open Society and its Enemies":

Quote:George Soros claims as his mentor the philosopher Karl Popper, author of The Open Society and its Enemies. “He influenced me with his writings and his thinking,” Soros says in his book Soros on Soros.

Read more: The Shocking Truth about Soros Mentor Karl Popper’s “Open Society” Philosophy | The Soros Files http://sorosfiles.com/soros/2011/10/the-...z5o5vj6QTt

Soros is but one small arm of the global cultural marxist juggernaut. The takeover of US academia by the Frankfurt School was a key milestone in that process. Gender studies, attacks on males, attacks on the white majority (which started with the publication of Adorno's "The Authoritarian Personality" by the American Jewish Council, which became the bible of all psychology departments across academia), promotion of gay and trans agenda, attack on family, on Christianity, "toxic masculinity", "white privilege",... All of this is the implementation of the pure cultural marxist ideology of the Frankfurt School. To deny this basic fact is beyond ridiculous.


Your illustration of the Dow Jones index chart and drop in wages/purchasing power only tells half the story. The billionaire oligarchs at the top are more concerned about control of society than pure financial gain, they already control the banking system and are enormously wealthy.

They do not want the rise of a strong, healthy middle class with a national consciousness, and are therefore throttling economic growth through things like engineered crises like the Great Depression and Great Recession, or the scam of Global Warming with its carbon taxes and artificially induced energy poverty.

One of the main reasons they have launched feminism is to destabilize the population and destroy families. Atomized individuals with little in terms of national identity, faith and community support are easy to rule over, they will be raised and their mindset will be shaped by daycare centers, school and colleges, mass media and BS new age "spirituality".

They will worship and emulate vapid degenerate manufactured stars instead of looking up to and emulating their parents, grandparents and members of their cultural community. They will be incapable of raising families, and programmed to see the other half of the population as their enemies, with the false dialectic of left-right pseudo-democracy.

I don't see how you can be completely blind of all this social engineering.

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It is not a twisted logic, it is history. Spend some time educating yourself properly how all these secret societies were formed and begun.

Nobody is seriously attacking any church today. Church is just an outdated version of globalism - globalism 1.0. Now there is a new secular globalism 2.0 invented. There is some small struggle for forcing people to move up from the outdated version 1.0 to the new 2.0, but for the most part globalism 1.0 is still useful as a trap where all 95% of the people who wish to run from the more obviously evil globalism 2.0 end up in. Like I said a controlled opposition.

I am not a kaballist, because I am not jewish. I was studying it because I study any spiritual system that has any truth in it. Kaballah holds very powerful spirtiual insights that Christians do not have. Because of this a person using kaballist knowledge can rule over ignorant masses. White indo-europeans also had the same level of knowledge in our ancient pagan past, but it has been wiped out by Christianity. This has made indo-europeans weak and vulnerable to subversion like credit and usury for example. This is because we deny our ancient knowledge traces of which can be found in the surviving records about paganism. Although Kabbalah users and Pagans are at odds with each other - a lot of the true meaning of ancient paganism can be only be understood after one has learned about the truth from the one surviving albeit opposing system of knowledge that is Kabbalah.

If we valued nature as sacred and if we would live much more natural lifestyles as Pagans, we would be pretty much immune to usury and similar kabbalah user subversions. But since society is brainwashed by Christianity to seek God in secluded expensive artificial Churches and adopt the lifestyle of us believing we are above nature - our indo-european society is so weak against usury and masters of Kabbalah rule us trough this monetary system.



Let's take apart some of the completely ridiculous statements you are making here:

1-" Church is just an outdated version of globalism "

No, the Church is a bullwark against globalism. The resilience of the Catholic church in Poland was the main resistance against Soviet communist globalism in the eastern block. And today, the Orthodox church is a powerful bullwark against globohomo globalism, one of the main reasons Russia is vilified by the (((neocons))) who rule most western governments.

Yes the Catholic church is vulnerable to infiltration since Vatican II with Cuck Francis pushing, ironically, a subversive pagan agenda. Francis is a kabbalist who has a personal witch and is the pagan worm that's rotting the apple from inside. There is however a Catholic revival across many parts of the West, we will win and bring back logos to the faith.

Scofield bible Evangelicals are indeed globalist tools, they essentially worship Israel as their god, no argument there.



2- "Kaballah holds very powerful spirtiual insights that Christians do not have. Because of this a person using kaballist knowledge can rule over ignorant masses."

Ah yes, kabbalah holds powerful spiritual insights that Christians do not have, like how Jews have five levels of soul and are god-like, while the goyim only have three and remain on an animalistic level... That's your powerful spiritual insight?Laugh

Kabbalah adepts are treasonous dupes and cucks, or globalist agents and collaborators like Madonna or high level masons who apply its precepts to mass culture and government. In France for example, minister of Education Vincent Peillon straight out claim that kabbalah should be the state religion, and this ethos pervades the national educational curriculum (same in the US education sytem, see whistleblower Charlotte Iserbyt).

Quote:". . . 'living soul' designates Israel because they are children of the Almighty, and their souls, which are holy, come from Him. From whence come the souls of other peoples? Rabbi Eleazar said: 'They obtain souls from those sides of the left which convey impurity, and therefore they are all impure and defile those who have contact with them.'. . .'living soul' refers to Israel, who have holy living souls from above, and 'cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth,' to the other peoples who are not 'living soul," but who are as we have said." Bereshith 47a

"Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever . . . their material abundance derives from supernal refuse. Indeed, they themselves derive from refuse, which is why they are more numerous than the Jews. . ." Abraham Foxbrunner. Chabad: The Hasidism of Schneur Zalman of Lyady. Northvale NJ: Jason Aronson Inc., 1983. p. 108-109.

FYI Schneur Zalman of Lyady is the founder and spiritual father of Chabad, and historically a leading figure in Jewish theology and the study of kabbalah.


3- "If we valued nature as sacred and if we would live much more natural lifestyles as Pagans, we would be pretty much immune to usury"

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(05-16-2019 05:46 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  C'mon, Lenny. You'll have to provide examples of "supposedly profit-driven corporations hemorrhaging billions of dollars to push fat, fag and trans acceptance."

These things are subject to analysis through hard data. The Securities and Exchange Commission and shareholder democracy demand it.

And who said there are no villains or remedies? Certainly, Bernays pushing cigarettes on women as "Torches of Freedom" might qualify as a villain. It's more like blaming some obscure Frankfurt School, almost all dead now, and a few ranting professors, absolves the real system grinding people down.

Note this is a logarithmic scale, Dow closed yesterday at 25,648.02 +115.97 (0.45%)


This is an incredibly short-sighted statement that totally flies in the face of reality. Frankly I have a hard time understanding how anyone on this forum of all places can have the gall to write something as misguided as this...

The Frankfurt School is anything but dead, it has unleashed cultural marxism and completely taken over academia, shaping the mindset of hundreds of thousands of graduates and taking over all aspects of popular culture, mainstream media, corporate culture and most governments across the West, as well as foreign policy, with the US now making globohomo an integral part of their policy doctrine.

George Soros for instance is a pure product of the Frankfurt School, he was mentored by Karl Popper, one of its leaders. His Open Society Foundation is nothing but the pure implementation of Karl Popper's cultural marxist ideology, down to its name, based on Popper's "Open Society and its Enemies":

Quote:George Soros claims as his mentor the philosopher Karl Popper, author of The Open Society and its Enemies. “He influenced me with his writings and his thinking,” Soros says in his book Soros on Soros.

Read more: The Shocking Truth about Soros Mentor Karl Popper’s “Open Society” Philosophy | The Soros Files http://sorosfiles.com/soros/2011/10/the-...z5o5vj6QTt

Soros is but one small arm of the global cultural marxist juggernaut. The takeover of US academia by the Frankfurt School was a key milestone in that process. Gender studies, attacks on males, attacks on the white majority (which started with the publication of Adorno's "The Authoritarian Personality" by the American Jewish Council, which became the bible of all psychology departments across academia), promotion of gay and trans agenda, attack on family, on Christianity, "toxic masculinity", "white privilege",... All of this is the implementation of the pure cultural marxist ideology of the Frankfurt School. To deny this basic fact is beyond ridiculous.


Your illustration of the Dow Jones index chart and drop in wages/purchasing power only tells half the story. The billionaire oligarchs at the top are more concerned about control of society than pure financial gain, they already control the banking system and are enormously wealthy.

They do not want the rise of a strong, healthy middle class with a national consciousness, and are therefore throttling economic growth through things like engineered crises like the Great Depression and Great Recession, or the scam of Global Warming with its carbon taxes and artificially induced energy poverty.

One of the main reasons they have launched feminism is to destabilize the population and destroy families. Atomized individuals with little in terms of national identity, faith and community support are easy to rule over, they will be raised and their mindset will be shaped by daycare centers, school and colleges, mass media and BS new age "spirituality".

They will worship and emulate vapid degenerate manufactured stars instead of looking up to and emulating their parents, grandparents and members of their cultural community. They will be incapable of raising families, and programmed to see the other half of the population as their enemies, with the false dialectic of left-right pseudo-democracy.

I don't see how you can be completely blind of all this social engineering.

As usual, you make a number of factual statements without any reference except for one of the type of your usual sources, some random anonymous blog which attacks Soros and his intellectual mentor, Karl Popper. Have you read Popper's The Open Society and its Enemies? As the blog acknowledges, it was one of the main anti-communist texts during the Cold War. There's nothing wrong with Popper, unless you're against freedom.

But Soros ain't shit. He's just one of many billionaires. I saw some of his Open Society Institute people working in the Middle East, they were doing the usual NGO and free media development. Same shit that DFID, USAID, AusAID, UNDP, EuropeAid does.

Open Society Institute's glory days were its work helping to convert Eastern Europe to free market economies. They did some impressive stuff there, lots of economists and business consultants. And it was successful - those countries have had an impressive growing in prosperity. Soros is a standard neoliberal. He's talking all the time, it's not like anything he does is secret.

Then, the rest is "They . . . They .... They" Who and how? How do these "cultural marxists" control trillion dollar economies and a billion voters? Or is it "the oligarchs?"

I'm going to return to Bernays and him pushing women to smoke in behalf of the American Tobacco Company, because it's very illustrative of the effect of capitalism changing values in order to open markets and increase sales.

Here's a couple of key passages from a paper on the subject,

Brandt, 1996: Recruiting Women Smokers: the Engineering of Consent, Journal of the American Medical Women's Association

Quote:By the early 20th century, the cigarette had come to represent a powerful clash in cultural values. Traditional morality configured the cigarette as a threat to the moral sanctity of women; at the same time, the cigarette marked the erosion of
certain expectations of strict boundaries between the worlds of men and women.
The cigarette became a symbol of new roles and expectations of women’s behavior. From an emphasis on discipline and self-restraint that had characterized late
19th century cultural values, individuals were now being encouraged to consume.
If pleasure and indulgence were anathema to Victorian expectations of women, by
the 1920s, pleasure and indulgence were critical components of what would come
to be called the “consumer culture.”6

Quote:By 1929, Hill sought more aggressive interventions to change the meaning
of women’s smoking and to publicly attract this vast new market. As Bernays
recounted, “Hill called me in. ‘How can we get women to smoke on the street?
They’re smoking indoors. But damn it, if they spend half the time outdoors and
we can get ‘em to smoke outdoors, we’ll damn near double our female market.
Do something. Act!’”9 Bernays set out to identify and destroy the taboos associated with public smoking for women. Seeking to capitalize on the available scientific knowledge of human behavior, he enlisted the advice of noted psychiatrist A. A. Brill, who explained, “Some women regard cigarettes as symbols of freedom. Smoking is a sublimation of oral eroticism; holding a cigarette in the mouth excites the oral zone. It is perfectly normal for women to want to smoke cigarettes.”9

Here's something I saw with my own eyes. It's an ad campaign for Beefeater gin I saw in Valencia a week ago.

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Now, those ads seem to portray a feminist message subversive of traditional values. A tatted up, pierced slut and a hard core dyke. Live and let live, I say.
Is the purpose of the ads to subvert traditional values? No, it's to sell gin. They're basically subverting their own brand "Beefeater" trying to be cool.

Lenny didn't provide any examples of companies wasting "billions" on "trans, fat and fag acceptance" because there aren't any.

Beefeater is a brand owned by PernodRicard, a French public company. They are in it to make money, as is the advertising agency which designed the campaign, McCann.

Pernod Ricard ADR stock

It has a lot of brands!

McCann is accountable to PernodRicard for any change in sales as a result of this campaign, and PernodRicard management is accountable to its shareholders. The performance of Beefeater in Spain and PernodRicard are not going to be secrets. It's all out in the open.

I prefer seeing what's in front of me to believing in shadowy conspiracies of Soros, "the global cultural marxist juggernaut," the CFR, the Frankfurt School or da Jooos in general.
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