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RE: Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?
(05-22-2019 03:42 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  http://hungarianspectrum.org/2015/07/02/...migration/

The Hungarian colony in London is especially large, so one of the research institutes of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences conducted a survey among them about their reasons for leaving, their satisfaction with their decision to settle in London, and finally whether they are considering returning to the country of their birth. Seventy-three percent of them said that “they have no intention of ever returning to Hungary.” Twenty-one percent answered that “perhaps within a few years” they might go back, and only 6% said that they will definitely return within a year.

Seventy three percent of the Hungarians living in London, said they have no intention of ever returning to Hungary.

So much for full employment and returning people.

This has gotten really comical. Every time that you post an article it simply reinforces my factual-based claim that Hungarians emigrate to seek a better life with a higher standard of living, not because they are poor. From the article that you cited:

Quote:about the ever-growing number of Hungarians who are packing up and leaving the country to find a better life elsewhere.


Quote:Hungary cannot compete with other western countries in terms of living standards and that since most of the people left Hungary for financial reasons, it is unlikely that they will abandon their well-paid jobs and return to Hungary for a great deal less money.


In fact, the article that you cited expressly states that it is the poorer element of Hungarian society that remains in Hungary, while it is the more educated and well-off element that moves abroad for a better life:

Quote:One of the frightening aspects of Hungarian emigration statistics is the educational background of the emigrants. While only 19% of the population at home has a college or university degree, 32% of those who packed up and left were college or university educated. The reverse is true of those with only an eight-grade education. They make up 24% of the Hungarian population but only 6% of the emigrants.


Thanks for posting yet another article that proves my point: Hungarians leave Hungary for a higher standard of living, not because they are poor.
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poor

Definition of poor
1a : lacking material possessions
b : of, relating to, or characterized by poverty
2a : less than adequate : MEAGER
b : small in worth
3 : exciting pity
you poor thing
4a : inferior in quality or value
b : HUMBLE, UNPRETENTIOUS
c : MEAN, PETTY
5 : LEAN, EMACIATED
6 : BARREN, UNPRODUCTIVE —used of land

English Language Learners Definition of poor
: having little money or few possessions : not having enough money for the basic things that people need to live properly
: having a very small amount of something
: not good in quality or condition
See the full definition for poor in the English Language Learners Dictionary

"Not having enough money for the basic things"

Which would account for 44% of the population.

What next, you going to tell me Serbia, Croatia, Romania etc are rich countries. LMAO

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(05-22-2019 04:20 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poor

Definition of poor
1a : lacking material possessions
b : of, relating to, or characterized by poverty

Poverty? Over the past five years, the U.S. poverty rate has ranged between 12.3% and 14.8%.

Quote:The official poverty rate in 2017 was 12.3 percent, down 0.4 percentage points from 12.7 percent in 2016. This is the third consecutive annual decline in poverty. Since 2014, the pov­erty rate has fallen 2.5 percent­age points, from 14.8 percent to 12.3 percent.

https://www.census.gov/library/publicati...0-263.html


The poverty rate in Hungary is 14.5%, which is very similar to the United States.

https://bbj.hu/analysis/hungary-among-eu...tes_148538


By your definition, the nearly 80% Americans who live paycheck to paycheck are also poor. You obviously do not know what the word "poor" means.

Quote:CareerBuilder found that 78% of U.S. workers are living paycheck to paycheck.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedma...60ac564f10


Thank you for once again proving my point: Hungary is not poor. It is simply recovering from socialism. Hungary is poor only in relation to Western Europe.

I am glad that you finally cracked open a dictionary and educated yourself. Now you just need to learn how to apply logic and reasoning.
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(05-22-2019 05:18 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(05-22-2019 04:20 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poor

Definition of poor
1a : lacking material possessions
b : of, relating to, or characterized by poverty

Poverty? Over the past five years, the U.S. poverty rate has ranged between 12.3% and 14.8%.

Quote:The official poverty rate in 2017 was 12.3 percent, down 0.4 percentage points from 12.7 percent in 2016. This is the third consecutive annual decline in poverty. Since 2014, the pov­erty rate has fallen 2.5 percent­age points, from 14.8 percent to 12.3 percent.

https://www.census.gov/library/publicati...0-263.html


The poverty rate in Hungary is 14.5%.

https://bbj.hu/analysis/hungary-among-eu...tes_148538


Thank you for once again proving my point: Hungary is not poor. It is simply recovering from socialism -- and poor in relation to Western Europe.

I am glad that you finally cracked open a dictionary and educated yourself. Now you just need to learn how to apply logic and reasoning.

The country is poor, others have stated the same thing. Yet, you continue to cry despite the fact you have never visited.
People don't leave a country in droves, if the economic opportunity is there.

Recovering from Socialism or recovering from being part of Communism?

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(05-22-2019 05:39 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Why do you care so much?

Normally, I do not engage in such useless bantering with fools after I have already unequivically won an argument. I have better things to do. This thread, however, has become a great magnet for the SJW-asstard crowd, with three SJW forum-invaders having been banned thus far. So, I see my participation in this thread simply as a way of giving back to the community.

   

I suppose that if SJWs view the entire Western World as poor and downtrodden, then they will also see the rest of the world in the same light.
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(05-22-2019 08:13 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  
(05-22-2019 07:55 AM)crystalcastle Wrote:  That is what I have witnessed personally walking through the city after midnight. I have no reason or incentive to make things up.

And I've witnessed the exact opposite. Hungary isn't even bad compared to Prague and it is monumentally better than Paris or London.

You still don't acknowledge or deny Budapest has a homelessness problem, which it does. Comparing it to Prague or Paris is anecdotal because of which street you decide to mosey down while on holiday. The premise of OP's thread is that Budapest is a utopia, which it may be for visitors or tourists. For locals, it's likely hell on earth with Hungarians moving to Austria, Germany, France, or the UK at alarming rates. It's pretty well known Hungary is suffering from a brain drain because in comparison to its western neighbors it's just not worth it to work there for low wages coupled with a lower quality of life.
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Yes, we know it was you who was crying about them and got them banned.

You haven't won anything, Hungary is poor. No one is moving there for job opportunities, people are leaving for a better life.

Wow, you got me. How did you know I was a SJW!!!

Maybe when you visit Hungary, you will see what I am talking about.

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(05-22-2019 06:00 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Yes, we know it was you who was crying about them and got them banned.

I seldom report anyone for anything -- and I did not report them. I just provide an opportunity for people to reveal their true (SJW) colors. The moderators do a good job of separating the wheat from the chaff.


(05-22-2019 06:00 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  people are leaving for a better life.

Praise God, he has seen the light! I knew that I could properly educate even someone such as you. Here is your gold star of achievement:

   
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(05-22-2019 07:41 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  ^ Complete fabrication, you do not see beggars and homeless people everywhere. There are far, far more homeless people in London or any western european city.

You’re correction is way off bro, you see homeless everywhere in budapest, there are an ungodly amount in comparison to London Obviously now. London has as many people as all of Hungary.

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(05-23-2019 01:12 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Tell them how many years you lived there!

It does not matter how long he, or anyone else, has lived there. If you believe that all countries in the world are poor, except for the United States, Western Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, and certain Middle Eastern nations, then it is your perception of reality that is wrong.

If you believe that Hungary is poor then, by logical extension, you also believe that all the countries that are poorer than Hungary are poor (which includes most of countries on the planet), which is objectively not true.
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Debating with a fool that has not lived or been to the country, makes me a bigger fool.

Nice try, putting words into my mouth. I said nothing about the other countries you mentioned.

I will not respond to your childish remarks, memes or posts.

If you think Hungary is one of the richest countries on the planet, I feel sorry for you.

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(05-23-2019 12:46 PM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  
(05-22-2019 07:41 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  ^ Complete fabrication, you do not see beggars and homeless people everywhere. There are far, far more homeless people in London or any western european city.

You’re correction is way off bro, you see homeless everywhere in budapest, there are an ungodly amount in comparison to London Obviously now. London has as many people as all of Hungary.

I have no dog in this fight, because I do not believe that the number of homeless demonstrates that a nation is poor. For example, San Francisco is a wealthy area that it a huge homeless problem.

Having said that, I just ran the numbers: nearly a 2.1% homeless rate (170000 ÷ 8136000) in London versus a 1.7% homeless rate (30000 ÷ 1756000) in Budapest -- and that was using the national homeless rate for Hungary (although most homeless do live in Budapest).
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(05-23-2019 01:49 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Debating with a fool that has not lived or been to the country, makes me a bigger fool.

I cannot argue with you there. You are the bigger fool.

(05-23-2019 01:49 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Nice try, putting words into my mouth. I said nothing about the other countries you mentioned.

You did not need to name any other countries. It is called logic. If you consider Hungary poor, then all other countries poorer than Hungary (most of the countries on Earth) are also poor.

(05-23-2019 01:49 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I will not respond to your childish remarks, memes or posts.

No need to worry. I prevail with facts, logic, and reason. The memes, with their kernel of truth, simply add entertainment value.

(05-23-2019 01:49 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  If you think Hungary is one of the richest countries on the planet, I feel sorry for you.

I simply stated that Hungary is not definitionally poor, only poor compared to Western Europe.

Hungary is one of the richest countries on the planet? Now who is putting words in people's mouth, hypocrite?
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(05-23-2019 01:54 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(05-23-2019 12:46 PM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  
(05-22-2019 07:41 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  ^ Complete fabrication, you do not see beggars and homeless people everywhere. There are far, far more homeless people in London or any western european city.

You’re correction is way off bro, you see homeless everywhere in budapest, there are an ungodly amount in comparison to London Obviously now. London has as many people as all of Hungary.

I have no dog in this fight, because I do not believe that the number of homeless demonstrates that a nation is poor. For example, San Francisco is a wealthy area that it a huge homeless problem.

Having said that, I just ran the numbers: nearly a 2.1% homeless rate (170000 ÷ 8136000) in London versus a 1.7% homeless rate (30000 ÷ 1756000) in Budapest -- and that was using the national homeless rate for Hungary (although most homeless do live in Budapest).

I didn’t say homelessness demonstrates a nation being poor in simply correcting nomadbrah as he incorrectly stated you don’t see homeless and beggars everywhere in Budapest . Now your running the numbers on percentages which makes no sense as inagreeed there are more homeless in London I’ve seen it as I’ve lived there as well. I think maybe instead of this post a link argue game you go out travel and bang bitches after all isn’t that what RVF is all about???

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(05-23-2019 05:45 PM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  
(05-23-2019 01:54 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(05-23-2019 12:46 PM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  
(05-22-2019 07:41 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  ^ Complete fabrication, you do not see beggars and homeless people everywhere. There are far, far more homeless people in London or any western european city.

You’re correction is way off bro, you see homeless everywhere in budapest, there are an ungodly amount in comparison to London Obviously now. London has as many people as all of Hungary.

I have no dog in this fight, because I do not believe that the number of homeless demonstrates that a nation is poor. For example, San Francisco is a wealthy area that it a huge homeless problem.

Having said that, I just ran the numbers: nearly a 2.1% homeless rate (170000 ÷ 8136000) in London versus a 1.7% homeless rate (30000 ÷ 1756000) in Budapest -- and that was using the national homeless rate for Hungary (although most homeless do live in Budapest).

I didn’t say homelessness demonstrates a nation being poor in simply correcting nomadbrah as he incorrectly stated you don’t see homeless and beggars everywhere in Budapest . Now your running the numbers on percentages which makes no sense as inagreeed there are more homeless in London I’ve seen it as I’ve lived there as well. I think maybe instead of this post a link argue game you go out travel and bang bitches after all isn’t that what RVF is all about???

Well, I really did not want to get dragged into yet another debate, but people cannot seem to think rationally or act honestly. What was your original claim?

(05-23-2019 12:46 PM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  You’re correction is way off bro, you see homeless everywhere in budapest, there are an ungodly amount in comparison to London

The actual numbers say that there is an almost equal percentage of homeless in both London and Budapest (around 2%). So, your original claim that "there are an ungodly amount [in Budapest] in comparison to London" is demonstrably false. In fact, the percentage of homeless is higher in London, by about 20%. Rather than change the topic, you should simply acknowledge your error.

(05-23-2019 05:45 PM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  I think maybe instead of this post a link argue game you go out travel and bang bitches after all isn’t that what RVF is all about???

No, RVF is about improving every aspect of your life to make yourself a better man. Travel and game are simply two components of a whole man. If you cannot reason, think logically, act honestly, and admit to your mistakes, then you need to make those areas of your life a priority.
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