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Chernobyl TV drama (HBO)
I know there is a TV series thread but I think that this TV series deserves its own thread, for reasons I will go into below.






So this thread is for people to discuss the themes present in the TV series,

but also (as there is no dedicated Chernobyl thread and we have both scientists and citizens of ex Eastern Bloc countries on this forum) an opportunity to discuss the actual events of the disaster / tragedy and its repercussions.

It deserves its own thread because of the various themes present within it and because its a good TV series.

Why?

A list:


The production values are off the scale.


It views like a chilling horror movie.
Everything is dead pan and understated yet in both of the first episodes the sense of menace in the air is palpable.
Because of the chilling effects of radiation.

One minute characters are fine, the next they vomit as their stomach lining sloughs off and their skin burns. Its chilling even if it is just television.

The eerie, otherworldly nature of the threat they were facing.

Apparently before the reactor blew there was an loud, almost human moan emanating from the reactor. (presumably the steam escaping)

Those who saw the flames and the column of light ascending into the sky said it was the most beautiful thing that they had ever seen.

This is real footage of the first helicopter to attempt to put out the flames flying into a crane and falling down into the burning reactor.





The air the helicopter was flying in was measured at 180-200 centigrade. Who knows what the controls were doing as they flew directly over the reactor.

The TV show captures this tragedy observed from a distance well.

Even the robots that the Soviets sent on to the adjacent roof to bulldoze rubble began to fritz and malfunction. One drove itself straight off the roof to fall into the reactor.

And so the authorities decided, now that these robots were unreliable and killing themselves.. to send so-called "bio-robots" (men from the army) to shovel radioactive graphite and to expose themselves to incredible levels of radioactivity.

The bravery of ordinary men

the very average technicians in the control room went off to search for comrades and to turn off valves in the face of huge radiation. they didn't question their orders or even need ordering sometimes.

The barely adequate dosimeters that they had were capping out at 3.6 roentgens (400 chest x-rays)

a high level dosimeter later attached to a lead covered truck discovered that the real measure was almost dead on 15,000 roentgens.
Or 1 million, 666 thousand 666 point 666 recurring chest x-rays that the first responders were exposed to in minutes of arriving.

They described the taste of metal and the feeling of pins and needles on their face as they approached the blaze.

They took a long time to die horribly. Melting both inside and out. Supposedly some men were able to take the flesh off their own bodies with their fingers in liquid clumps.

But there was a 2nd explosion imminent

In dumping sand and boron on the blaze the fire had been put out.

But the radioactive matter was getting hotter and hotter, melting the sand and forming Corium - a radioactive lava that was melting down through the concrete.

Beneath the reactor lay a huge pool of contaminated water. If it contacted the corium then a second explosion would have included the material in the other 3 reactors and by most estimates, such a blast may have wiped out half of Europe, leaving it risky to live in for 500,000 years.

3 men were need to go into the radioactive water and operate the sluice gates.

Probable horrific death or millions die.


Crucially, they had to be from the existing plant workers - a small subsection of potential volunteers.

That 3 men volunteered so readily is a testament to the human courage of ordinary men.


Stellan Skarsgaards character as Scherbina in the show gives a gruff and emotion-less speech to explain what was at stake.

Fuck off you Slay! Queens! on Game of Thrones. That speech was very prosaic and matter of fact and yet it has ten times the impact of a Dany or a Sansa or a Jon Snow.


80's nostalgia/retro-chic. (but on the other side of the Iron curtain)

We already have an 80's thread .. but that is mainly to discuss the excess and decadence of the 80s in the West, especially the USA.
Whilst the USA had a go for it! culture, Europe really didn't.
In Britain .. yes we had Boy George and Adam and the Ants and Thatcher telling the poor families and communities in the North to "get on their bikes and come South!" but the 80s outside of some Kenny Everett/Freddie Mercury London bubble was fucking grim in the Uk.
The program is good at capturing the sheer fucking depressing feel and detail of it all.

The production crew were obviously dedicated to getting the look and feel of the mid-80's Soviet Union. You can see it in the way they dwell on the fashions, the haircuts, the style of buildings..

I think it was filmed in ex-Soviet Lithuania and there is clearly a lot of nostalgia and retro-chic being explored in the show.

The Eastern Bloc followed Western trends (just as Communist Asia did with its kipper ties and flares in the 70s) and at the same time had it some weird variations.. like Constructivism in architecture, the love affair with concrete, the love affair with 2ndary colour schemes - brown silver purple (just like Apartheid South Africa and North Korea)

They get so many things right, the cut of peoples suits, the reflective surfaces, including just how the spectacles people wore at the time used to catch the light

The effect of the Cold War on the 80s Zeitgeist.

There was another side to the bright and hair sprayed 80s especially in Europe.

David Bowie features in the Movie Christiane F. alot of people describe watching Bowie perform in West Berlin at that time as being kids in the presence of a future that was only Nuclear Winter and Fallout.

That feeling had its effects:





This was the decade of the bleak Goth and Heavy Metal scenes (as opposed to Hair Metal) even the New Romantics seemed a decadent rebellion against the meaninglessness and nihilism the Cold War engendered.





I can say that, personally, as a kid I was terrified of Nuclear War - a threat that was very high in the years 1984, 1985, 1986 and which European adults readily and regularly discussed around their children.

The world seemed a particularly bleak and terrifying place.
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RE: Chernobyl TV drama (HBO)
PART TWO:

[b]Cinematography[/b]

Awesome.

The director is Johann Renck, he of Stakka Bo - a very 90's Scandi version of DeeLite and copying songs like "Groove is in the Heart" with their derivative "Here we go again"





The end of the Cold War and the warming up of pop music and culture in Europe ^ can be seen.
After all "The Summer of Love" 1988 coincided with the beginning of 'Glasnost'.

So .. a good example of moving between art forms successfully.

He and the cameramen and editors have done a brilliant job. Clearly inspired by British director Steve McQueen who catches the reflective qualities of surfaces (sunlight on urine for example) as exhibited in his films like Hunger and 12 years a slave.

Also the Soundtrack - much use of emergency alarms and Geiger counters as white noise to amp up the terror.

This follows the opening scenes of "There Will Be Blood" which revolutionised soundtracks from then on and a nod to trailers like Prometheus. (1:45 - 2:15 in the trailer)





Historical accuracy (more on this later)





The Soviets tended to deny and suppress their disasters.
There was a propaganda war between the Soviets and the West in the mid 80s and so claims of the numbers of dead are very controversial even today.
The show features people watching the initial blaze from a railway bridge who then become very sick.
This incident and these deaths have been officially denied.
In the documentary there is a claim that all 600 helicopter pilots died quickly.
This seems to be a fiction.
its interesting to know how much of the casualties in the show are real and verified and how many are contested.

HBO / Hollywood Propaganda:

This is what gets me.

The Globalists need an enemy.. but they cant identify China or the Jihadists or the Paedophiles or whoever and so .. guess who steps into the breach.

Step forward Russia.

This mini-series is no accident. It gives globalist Hollywood the chance to generate more propaganda and ill will against Russi- sorry the (cough) Soviet Union. These bad bad authoritarian and racist people.

No surprise they chose the Chernobyl disaster. Those pesky heavy handed Russkies making life deadly for the Ukrainians. pretty good material for the people who pushed for revolution in the Ukraine ... and Syria ..and Iran .. and who pushed Georgia to fight with Russia.

Those arrogant Russians and the way they treat their own people.
(Time for Rotherham, the Movie anyone?)

See also.. Max Von Sydow's arrogant dismissal of British/ Nato help.





British actors/ entertainment industry/ military piggy backing on Hollywood/ US propaganda.

These luvvies are only average.

they are shit actors and effeminate soy boys to boot. But they get relentless Emmys and Oscars for playing GOOD normal, oppressed Russians and BAD evil Russian govt officials.

It is the worst kind of pantomime.

Ever noticed how Britain gets disproportionate features in Hollywood movies? Fast and the Furious filmed in beautiful! exciting! exotic! fun! (well, okay globalist) London?

Non-Stop with Liam Neeson all about those plucky British crew on "British Aqualantic"?

Thats the pay-off for fellow-invading Iraq and Libya and anywhere else.

And the luvvies are cashing in.
[b]

But there's a bit in Chernobyl Episode 1 where they play an actual phone call from the disaster.

"Get them up!" "Who?" "All of them! Get them all up!"

Thats how they spoke to each other.

But the British luvvies all talk like, "Comrade, we are making advances in Soviet duties toward the State and now we must.."

Terrible Dialogue.

Uk Director Ken Loach complains about Madame Tussaud's waxwork acting. Every fibre of their clothes is arranged and researched, every hair on their head is coiffed. They've got the spontaneous acting chops of a dummy.

There's one British guy called Con O'Neill who turns in probably [b]the worst
performance in a serious drama that I have EVER seen in my life.
His performance as Viktor Bryukhanov is laughable.
He melodramatically hunches his shoulders and screws up his eyes when he calls people "stupid!" "pig headed!"
Aah fuck, you can watch this frizzy haired, big nosed eejit do a pantomime performance for yourselves.
What a clown. What a terrible actor.
But then he was playing a bad guy Russian so why try to make him human?

Diversity casting _ OH YES!

Emily Watson co-stars as physicist Ulana Khomyuk, >>>a composite character<<< who stands in for >>the many (cough! male!) Soviet scientists<<< who jeopardized their careers to discover the truth about what happened at Chernobyl.

So the likes of Vasilii Nesterenko and Lev Bolcakov didn't make the screen.

But they are >>represented<< by this mousey middle aged woman who never existed.

But how brave she is! Having these fictional never happened conversations with oppressive Cis-male patriarchs where she puts them in their place.

Some British stage comedian gets his big break as a dismissive party chairman that she stands up to ... except .. [b]It Never Happened.

Three Insanely Brave Plant Workers cum Divers existed.

But she never existed. And yet SHE is the do-no-wrong star.[/b]

Fucksake.

The show is partly centred around a guy called Legasov, a nuclear scientist who was called in to help.

He composed his memoirs and killed himself 10 years to the day after the disaster.

^Thats a real person. A flawed, haunted, human being.

And BOY!!!! does she (fictional) Emily Watson keep putting (real person) Legasov in his place!

Mikhail Gorbachev looks to her for help. Cut away to all these women staring at her in wonder as she floats magically above the Patriarchy.

The Soviets recorded and photographed nearly everything that went on. All these pictures of the meetings in the TV show that she dominated.
Real life?
Not. One. Woman.Present.

Which brings us all to the politics of the shows creator Craig Mazin.

Supposedly, he of "The Hangover" fame. Whut??? Turns out that he was the writer on Hangovers 2 and 3... Big Difference.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/05...true-story

>On the surface, the expansive HBO mini-series Chernobyl, premiering May 6, does exactly what the title indicates: Unspool the 1986 disaster at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant ...
But creator Craig Mazin thinks Chernobyl also tells an urgent story about the idea of truth.
After the Chernobyl plant went into meltdown, the Soviet government covered up the extent of the disaster and later, its cause.
“You can pretend that the truth is malleable.
But the truth doesn't care. The truth will do what it does,” Mazin told Refinery29.
“The nuclear reactor in Chernobyl didn’t care that the Soviets insisted it was flawless. It just did what it did. I want people to come to grips to that. We have to learn how to think critically and allow ourselves to change our minds to incorporate the truth.”<


Stellar philosopher.

"Does Chernobyl illustrate an unfortunate universal truth that no one ever wants to listen to the person who knows what’s really happening?

"Yes.
And we see that more and more now which is why I thought it was so important to tell this story now.
We are struggling with the global war on the truth.
And if what we used to think of as the domain of the Soviets, the kind of celebration of lies and press as propaganda, that now we realize is not something that is unique to the Soviet state. It’s within ourselves as well here in the West.
And it’s here.
We’ve seen it in the United Kingdom right now and we’re all struggling with it.
The strange rejection of the expert is mind boggling to me.
When we’re told that the worst word in politics is “elite,” I have to wonder whom else are we supposed to be rooting for if not the most qualified and smart and informed people?"


Hmm, guess who self-identifies as a member of this elite?

Well, I guess he is a member of an elite.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ted-cruz-...cc65cc995d

He was Ted Cruz's room mate at Princeton in 1988. Was all over Twitter, telling people that He Knew how bad Ted Cruz was.

That was before Trump.

Never once questioned how someone who got to go to Princeton and room with a future presidential candidate got to write 2 of the shittest comedies known to man and then got to parlay that into pushing his anti-Russian pro-Diversity crap .

How did that happen? Mr Elite.

So.. for me, alot there.

And a great series so far that still discomfits me with the naked propaganda of the US/British media - elite.
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Quote:Diversity casting _ OH YES!

Emily Watson co-stars as physicist Ulana Khomyuk, >>>a composite character<<< who stands in for >>the many (cough! male!) Soviet scientists<<< who jeopardized their careers to discover the truth about what happened at Chernobyl.

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(05-17-2019 06:25 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  ...

I can say that, personally, as a kid I was terrified of Nuclear War - a threat that was very high in the years 1984, 1985, 1986 and which European adults readily and regularly discussed around their children.

The world seemed a particularly bleak and terrifying place.

That threat was greatly overblown, it is far higher today with the neocons pushing aggressively against Russia, right up to its borders. Putin has displayed a lot of restraint in not escalating in Syria or Ukraine.

One of the main reasons things are more dangerous today is that a lot of the lefties and normie BoomerCons have been primed to loathe Putin and Russia, to the point where pushing them over the brink would not be that hard a task.

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All I'll say is this:

Hillary Clinton managed to hoodwink half of the US's population into thinking the fucking Russians elected Trump President, and people are surprised that

(a) Someone makes an anti-Russian TV series replate with every horror movie device to describe an apparently real-world event; and
(b) The director is stomping around proclaming that the truth is not malleable?

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RE: Chernobyl TV drama (HBO)
For anyone interested in more Chernobyl history, I previously posted a link to a very comprehensive collection of stories and pictures:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-26172...pid1449105
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(05-18-2019 12:14 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  All I'll say is this:

Hillary Clinton managed to hoodwink half of the US's population into thinking the fucking Russians elected Trump President, and people are surprised that


(b) The director is stomping around proclaming that the truth is not malleable?

^ The actual link that is being referenced by Le Beau directly above.

https://imgur.com/a/TwY6q#7gCHWj2 (pretty comprehensive)

(b) The director is stomping around proclaming that the truth is not malleable? - well.. yeah..

about that...

""Emily Watson who plays Ulana Khomyuk [(BV SPOILER: NOT A REAL PERSON) explained: “She was so fun to play and great to play somebody so tough.

“She’s from Belarus and if you go to Belarus for about two seconds you realise it was probably the worst place to be on the planet in the mid 20th century and the extinction of the population coming from the East and the West was just astonishing and she would have been a child at that time, so people with incredible strength, survival and toughness and she was just someone who was tough and steams in there.”

"She was just someone who was so tough and steams in there."

Again Bitch:

ITS A SUPPOSED HISTORICAL DOCUMENTARY..

YOUR CHARACTER?

NEVER EVEN EXISTED.


...

Truth is not malleable they claim..
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Very interesting thread indeed.

The Russians should not only make an edutainment series about Rotherham but Fukushima too. Fukushima has as much to do with US hegemony over Japan as Chernobyl the Soviet control over the Ukraine.

Fukushima of course was a worse disaster which is still ongoing.
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