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Fractured: Family, friends and relationships lost over politics
I'm a quiet person who has never forced politics on others and for whom you wouldn't even know what political opinions they might have without explicitly asking, and I find that this topic really bothers me. We've had several excellent examples of this scattered in various threads recently, so thought that this issue merits a more focused discussion:

- How many people in your family, social circle and even love life have gone insane over politics, ruining your relations with them?
- Is political insanity becoming more common today?
- How do you handle a person behaving like this?
- Does anyone affected ever get better and return to normal?


To be clear, this thread is not about the people you simply don't have much in common anymore because you lift/travel/date/earn very well while they're stuck in mediocrity - this thread is about shunning, hatred or violence caused by the SJW madness of the clown world we live in.

(05-22-2019 06:59 AM)Syberpunk Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 11:33 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  It saddens me that my little sister is now a rabid leftist who has been totally brainwashed by the school system.

She was such a bubbly, happy kid and I helped my parents raise her. The worst part is how the political bullshit they teach her in school has deprived her of the wonders and innocence of being a kid. All she talks about now is “white privileged” and “the future is female”.


Yet I don’t blame her. She’s a young, impressionable mind. I blame the fuckers that put all this nonsense in her head and ruined her.

I want my little sister back. The one I used to play with and cradled in my arms when she cried. Now what I see is an angry, negative young girl with a corrupted mind.

In a just society, I should be able to sue these bastards for what they did to her.

My heart ached reading this, I'm sorry Tiger.

I have (had) a younger brother that the conversion happened to Tiger
, we'd fight when younger (as brothers often do) but as I reached 18 and he was 16, we got along like a house on fire and he was always gregarious and making good conversation with you. I used to help with his homework and he struggled so hard with dyslexia, I was often nearly in tears because I couldn't help him, my parents were like saints getting him all the help that was available, now he is out of university in community work and he's bastard to everybody around him including my parents and a true blood democratic socialism kind of guy, I don't feel a flicker of pity anymore, only a remorse for what was.

The relationship went up and up in our teenage years, then plummuted head first into the dirt.

It feels like a death.

When you look into his eyes, its like there is nothing there and its eerie, sizing you up to see what he can get from you, how you may be of use. It's almost demonic, everybody tenses up when he is the room (yeah we all go beta), I shouldn't have to hold frame against the prick, what way is this to carry on with family? It's like the sympathy gene, making sure people are at ease with you gene, tuned off in university.

Then doesn't call his parents for months.

I'd have to liked to go the parallel universe where we still got along and he didn't take an interest in youth politics in school, if future him, has potential nieces and nephews of mine, we could know that we'd always be family and have each others back. But we won't. I could forgive, but how could I trust him now that I know what he is willing to do?

Silly stupid bastard.

(05-22-2019 06:29 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Welcome to the club. My younger sister was one of those sassy funny girls - one of the few women with humor. Most of that humor left her as she entered the far-left media workforce. But since it's Europe, then a lot of society is not fully on board with cultural marxism, so she pulled back a bit from it. Still - the person that she was is gone and she is filled to the brim with automatic NPC reactions. At the worst time the family had to avoid all kinds of trigger words, but it did not help, because anything could set her off - even a sex-joke between husband and wife was a micro-triggering sexual harrassment.

(05-18-2019 04:15 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  So my wife's best friend that she had known since high school suddenly had an outburst and blocked her over Alabama's abortion law (disclaimer: neither of them are American or living in USA). It went like this:

Friend (after more than a month of not writing or calling due to being "busy"): Since you're pro-life, what do you think about the Alabama law and its ban on abortion even in cases of rape?
Wife: Hey there, I hope you've been well. I support that law because (scientific/legal reasons).
Friend: I reject your reasons because everyone has their own truth. You're brainwashed by white people. Don't you even watch NowThis videos that show how black people are being slaughtered in America?
Wife: I don't watch them, but what does that have to do with abortion?
Friend: You're so bigoted. You're a Nazi. I can't believe it.
Wife: (no response)
Friend: I can't associate with someone like you. Goodbye. I'm blocking you now.

I know that someone who is willing to attack and hate someone over something on the other side of the world that has no effect on anyone makes for a very poor friend anyway, but it's still sad. Seriously, what the fuck? It's absolutely horrifying how communism brainwashes people into lashing out even at their family and closest friends just because they politely disagree with their totalitarian views.

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I've once had an aunt from staying in my house who burst out of her room in rage, screaming at me that I was "racist and supporting Hitler" because she saw that I had liked one Trump's post on Facebook. Later she complained to my parents about me going to church and was outraged that "they were even allowing it" and that "my wife has brainwashed me with Christianity". Despite all of that, she had no problem with calling me later to tell me that it's really important to vote for a certain progressive candidate in local elections (where she doesn't even live, by the way) and to just please do her a favor and vote for it.

My dad has gotten worse with age and routinely harangues the rest of my family with endless rants about fascism, nazism, evils of religion, conservatism and whatever the SJW topic of the day is. I don't live with them anymore, but mom tells me that in the morning he turns on the radio news/talk shows and gets progressively more worked up until he goes off and starts ranting about "her friends being too conservative" or "not caring about what's happening in society".

A cousin of mine who hasn't talked to me in over 5 years once got in touch to tell me that he's seen that I'm "not educated enough about feminism" and that he wants to teach me "why attending feminist events to fight violence against women is important".

All together, these cases remind me of how Communist dictatorships used to encourage people to report their family members to NKVD for having impure or counter-revolutionary attitudes. It's always been normal for people to become alienated and shun each other because of property disputes, vice, jealousy, infidelity, abuse or similar - but politics? How did it come to this?

Did people really get this alienated over politics before? Or was it perhaps even worse, with people actually killing each other in endless civil wars and what we're experiencing is just a temporary period of calm?

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Nope. My folks dont have their head up there asses.
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I haven't lost any family members and I tend to screen out people with radical beliefs before I become friends.

I have a good friend from college whose little sister was corrupted by leftist politics. He can barely tolerate her anymore. She used to be so pretty and now she's just an angry mess who's visibly uglier...like all the anger is reflected in her face. It reminds me of that thread where the girls turned into freaks at college.
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RE: Fractured: Family, friends and relationships lost over politics
Great thread. I have several examples and I'm not even that politically vocal with friends/family.

My best friend in high school and throughout college. He was the Laurel to my Hardy. He was there at every major milestone of my adolescence and early adulthood. He was always moderately liberal but he was a chill, open minded dude and didn't take politics too seriously.

Until Trump ran. I'd hear him repeat every lie mainstream media told about him and follow every "breaking news" imminent collapse of his campaign. I've always been skeptical of cable news and he would blow up when I would question any of the "facts" he would repeat after hearing them from Anderson Cooper or Maddow or Bill Mahar. I avoided heated debates with him and just laughed off the things he would repeat from Tv.

I figured after the 2016 election things would calm down. Then every conversation we had devolved into him going off on Trump or some bullshit about the Mueller investigation. I couldn't believe how many nuanced details he knew about this entire Russian conspiracy story. It was non-stop all the time I couldn't even talk about the weather anymore without hearing about Trump. I saw a happy, carefree guy who used to be hilarious turn into a dour, self-important communist within a year.

He eventually stopped responding to my texts after I made mild rebuttals to his Trump hatred. I told him a mutual friend's mother had passed away last month and didn't get a response, so I'm over it. A lifelong friendship lost because people on TV told him he should hate anyone with different opinions.

One more example - my cousin, who used to be a staunch conservative and a sensible woman. I see her once every year and noticed how much she changed during the election. During Thanksgiving one year I made a very middle-of-the-road, not-completely-hateful comment about Trump and she screamed at me that I was sexist, racist and misogynistic at the top of her lungs. She used to be very pro-America and last time I saw her she went off on George Washington for owning slaves lol. She also used to have a sense of humor but now it seems I can't joke with her at all. We still talk but much less now. I think much less of her because she gave up her healthy, traditional values to worship people on CNN who lie to her.

These two people both watched a lot of TV and that was a major factor in their ideological change. It's scary how both their personalities changed for the worse in the exact same way. It's like media companies have perfected a way to mind-fuck large segments of the population with a combination of story telling, constant "breaking news" drama, us vs. them divisions and quick, high-energy sound bytes.

The NPC meme is so real.
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(05-22-2019 10:28 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  ...I tend to screen out people with radical beliefs before I become friends.

Therein lies the rub; most of us are done making new friends anyway, but I'm sure that plenty of people have childhood friends from their neighborhood or high school that are becoming corrupted literally overnight. I haven't had problems with it, but that was only because my social circle is small (literally 3-4 people).

Family, though... it's been pretty hard hit, especially hard considering that I don't even live in the US nor have any ties to it.

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My dad was a union meat head NDP (socialist) supporter and would introduce me to his friends as “his son who voted for Harper” who was our Conservative PM for a decade and particularly detested by the welfare loving pogey bums on the east coast where I’m from. We had an agreement not to talk politics.

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RE: Fractured: Family, friends and relationships lost over politics
I would say that of all my friends 50% are conservative and 50% are liberal.

I get along with all of them very well. I have no issues.

But I also do not have social media and I don't talk politics with people in person if I feel they may not have the same beliefs as I do.

I don't have any family drama because my family lives 24 hours away by car so if I talk to them, it's usually a five minute phone call to say I love you and check on how the nephews and nieces are doing in school.

So nothing is fractured on my end. It seems like a lot of this family drama happens on facebook. I'm not going near that junk and I try to tell everyone to avoid it.
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Yes.

What I considered my best friend. We were best men at each other's weddings. I'd visit him whenever I was in the country. We'd talk and game a lot online. 20+ year friendship. Blue pill guy, but very easy to get along with.

One of the things we'd talk about is pop culture, tv shows, etc. Some of the tv shows he'd watch I'd opt out of because of the increasingly pervasive prog propaganda. He'd ask why and I'd try to explain.

A few months before Trump won I told him that Trump was going to win and that the odds makers were laying good odds, it was an opportunity to make some money. He didn't like that much. He started avoiding talking to me, but of course not saying why.

The day after the election he saw that I'd changed my status to something triumphant, and went off. I was a sexist, and therefore a misogynist. I was poison and he had to cut me out of his life. He did it with that one text message and blocking me in every thing we were connected on.

Now, that hurt in a few ways. One that my friend of so long was so weak and pathetic that he needed to cut me out of his life because I didn't have the same opinions as him. Ones that we never talked about! I was very careful not to talk politics with him, as I knew we disagreed.

I know why this happened, too. The same reason as everyone. The TV/media. In his house the TV is on all day, mostly for the kids. But he religiously watches news a couple times a day, plus the usual Internet inputs. The news in Canada is totally pozzed. They brainwashed him, more than he already was. I went from being a friend he disagreed with to being an Evil man he must cut from his life.
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I've found what works best is to only try and red pill people with Socratic style leading questions in order to avoid outing your own beliefs too much. If they start getting triggered or seem overly emotional about their liberal sacred cows you just write them off as a person with whom one doesn't discuss politics or current events.
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I unfortunately have this kind of problem with my sister. She's been brainwashed by all this feminism and stronk empowered wahmen nonsense.

She wasn't really like this when me and her were younger. We never got along perfectly, but i remember me and my brother playing with her, with toys and stuff, when we were little.

I think it was high school that was the brainwashing factor for her. Throughout high school she just began to start arguing with my parents a lot about grades and she had some very feminist English literature teacher. It must've been the feminist teachers and the whole collective social "empowered wahmen" cult that got to her head.

Even though i still live in the same house with my sister, i literally rarely ever talk to her. Whenever i sometimes do talk when my family gets together, after a bit of casual talk, some political or interesting topic comes up where she just feels the need to shill for PC doctrines in general, even if its not feminism. I remember a few times where she was getting into an argument and trying to moralize me on why vaccines are good, Russia is evil, why denying wahmen abortion is evil, why wahmen need higher pay, how misogyny is real and etc ....

Considering this is the sum of my relations with my older sister, it almost feels like we literally don't even live in the same house at all ...

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I used to have a very close relation with extended family on my father's side, but the newer generation (Z) is destroying this, especially in the last few years. Their parents did not shield them from the globohomo indoctrination and now I have sodomites, gender benders and open satanists among my (not so little anymore) cousins. I used to be very fond of them and, despite the age difference (about 10 years), we had a very good relationship but year after year, and as they reached adolescence, it started to die.

In this case it's not them stopping their association with me - although they have called me this and that occasionally for expressing certain views - but it's me who is choosing to sever ties in several ways. I don't want my future children dealing with sodomites and satanists, and to be honest I don't want to associate with them either anymore. The last time I was at a family gathering I went to say hello to one of my nieces who was in her room. I knock and once I get in I see that her whole room is half satanism/occultism stuff and half LGBT nonsense. Poster after poster, book after book. It's insane. She used to be a sweet girl - now she has died her hair, piercings and is 'queer'.

I don't want to associate with people who openly serve Satan, think post-birth abortion might be reasonable, etc. We must face the fact that this is increasingly NOT about politics, but about basic morality, Good and Evil. The divide will only become stronger.

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(05-23-2019 03:21 AM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  I unfortunately have this kind of problem with my sister. She's been brainwashed by all this feminism and stronk empowered wahmen nonsense.

She wasn't really like this when me and her were younger. We never got along perfectly, but i remember me and my brother playing with her, with toys and stuff, when we were little.

I think it was high school that was the brainwashing factor for her. Throughout high school she just began to start arguing with my parents a lot about grades and she had some very feminist English literature teacher. It must've been the feminist teachers and the whole collective social "empowered wahmen" cult that got to her head.

Even though i still live in the same house with my sister, i literally rarely ever talk to her. Whenever i sometimes do talk when my family gets together, after a bit of casual talk, some political or interesting topic comes up where she just feels the need to shill for PC doctrines in general, even if its not feminism. I remember a few times where she was getting into an argument and trying to moralize me on why vaccines are good, Russia is evil, why denying wahmen abortion is evil, why wahmen need higher pay, how misogyny is real and etc ....

Considering this is the sum of my relations with my older sister, it almost feels like we literally don't even live in the same house at all ...


So for you, exposing vulnerable people to measles is the right thing to do?

I guess you think that the recent measles epidemic is caused BY the vaccine, instead of the Jewish travelers or the anti-vaccine people?
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In the Uk my friends of years and years have gone full Hilary/ CNN/ BBC nut-jobs. It was initially amusing teasing each other about it but now they are in full on Govt crackdown/ approval of violence mode. So much that I don't want to talk to them any more.

Because all they want to talk about is their received propaganda that is filling their heads and triggering the most intolerant of their emotions. They're like kids trapped in a room with a crazy adult. let them out after a few hours and they can't process anything new around them..

So my friends, my old team mates, my family, my relatives..

people who were so moved by my eulogy at my Dads funeral disowning me online a few weeks later.
Colleagues from work publicly disowning me online.

Linux is right - alot of it is social media related.

But if I voice a red pilled political opinion in front of my brother he tells me he's ashamed of me. My Mum will go on at family gatherings about Hilary Clinton's !humorous! story about the inauguration - that she didn't want to go but then she rang up everyone else like the Obamas and the Bushes and they didn't want to go either so she was left holding the baby... She had to go, but isn't Trump stupid.
I'll hold my tongue but my family is watching me out of the corner of their eyes.

My new job a while back all these Americans were literally yelling at each about Brexit and how STooopid! all Brits were. 4 brits in the room including me, none of us had voted for Brexit (I'd been out of the country) - we all just stayed quiet.
A British manager said in a bar one night that he didn't think people in his home town who had no interest in working should be given benefits for making no effort. Two employees reported him and refused to speak to him or work with him.
South African bitches in one office I worked in would not shut up about Brexit, they had never been to the UK.

It is getting intense.
I don't get drawn on politics anymore.

Yes social media plays a big role in all of this. Or just technology addling our minds. Their minds are full, they are distressed.
Like the Tibetan Saint said - "Like their own thoughts come the thoughts of others"

And their constant witch hunts and constant moaning about the same things are a proof of their own doubt. Deep down they don't really believe it.

In the West I've lost the ability to just go out and live my life and take people as I find them. Shoot the shit with strangers about everything and nothing. Something that was there for how many years before..

I agree with Tim Pool. The Culture War is now hot bar the shooting. Talking is over.
Something bad is coming, not some one off atrocity, Im not sure it can be prevented.
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(05-23-2019 03:57 AM)mikado Wrote:  
(05-23-2019 03:21 AM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  I unfortunately have this kind of problem with my sister. She's been brainwashed by all this feminism and stronk empowered wahmen nonsense.

She wasn't really like this when me and her were younger. We never got along perfectly, but i remember me and my brother playing with her, with toys and stuff, when we were little.

I think it was high school that was the brainwashing factor for her. Throughout high school she just began to start arguing with my parents a lot about grades and she had some very feminist English literature teacher. It must've been the feminist teachers and the whole collective social "empowered wahmen" cult that got to her head.

Even though i still live in the same house with my sister, i literally rarely ever talk to her. Whenever i sometimes do talk when my family gets together, after a bit of casual talk, some political or interesting topic comes up where she just feels the need to shill for PC doctrines in general, even if its not feminism. I remember a few times where she was getting into an argument and trying to moralize me on why vaccines are good, Russia is evil, why denying wahmen abortion is evil, why wahmen need higher pay, how misogyny is real and etc ....

Considering this is the sum of my relations with my older sister, it almost feels like we literally don't even live in the same house at all ...


So for you, exposing vulnerable people to measles is the right thing to do?

I guess you think that the recent measles epidemic is caused BY the vaccine, instead of the Jewish travelers or the anti-vaccine people?

Meaasles.response.exe initiated. You should first assess the other side out there Mikado - go and read and listen to fucking Nobel price laureates as well as leading doctors why this crap is wrong, but he measles.exe vaccines.good.exe is good enough.
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(05-23-2019 03:57 AM)mikado Wrote:  
(05-23-2019 03:21 AM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  I unfortunately have this kind of problem with my sister. She's been brainwashed by all this feminism and stronk empowered wahmen nonsense.

She wasn't really like this when me and her were younger. We never got along perfectly, but i remember me and my brother playing with her, with toys and stuff, when we were little.

I think it was high school that was the brainwashing factor for her. Throughout high school she just began to start arguing with my parents a lot about grades and she had some very feminist English literature teacher. It must've been the feminist teachers and the whole collective social "empowered wahmen" cult that got to her head.

Even though i still live in the same house with my sister, i literally rarely ever talk to her. Whenever i sometimes do talk when my family gets together, after a bit of casual talk, some political or interesting topic comes up where she just feels the need to shill for PC doctrines in general, even if its not feminism. I remember a few times where she was getting into an argument and trying to moralize me on why vaccines are good, Russia is evil, why denying wahmen abortion is evil, why wahmen need higher pay, how misogyny is real and etc ....

Considering this is the sum of my relations with my older sister, it almost feels like we literally don't even live in the same house at all ...


So for you, exposing vulnerable people to measles is the right thing to do?

I guess you think that the recent measles epidemic is caused BY the vaccine, instead of the Jewish travelers or the anti-vaccine people?

Meaasles.response.exe initiated. You should first assess the other side out there Mikado - go and read and listen to fucking Nobel price laureates as well as leading doctors why this crap is wrong, but he measles.exe vaccines.good.exe is good enough.
Take your Death.better.than.autism.rebuttal.exe elsewhere.


I have seen or heard from my elders about people from my country dying from diseases of the 18th or 19th century, because they were not vaccinated.

Funny that only in developped countries things like anti-vaccine, or veganism movements, can happen. When nobody in your neighborhood dies for 20+ years, you have plenty of time to embrass stupidly dangerous ideas.

I would cut anti-vaccine people from my life, AND report them if necessary. Some causes are worthy disowning family, and exposing kids to danger is one of them.
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RE: Fractured: Family, friends and relationships lost over politics
My friends and family think my views are so extreme they see them as comical and as such, not to be feared. The one or two friends I have who are smart enough to know I'm not joking, that's when I play them down (plus, they aren't white). Forum member friends, of all races, I'm completely honest with.

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(05-23-2019 04:08 AM)mikado Wrote:  Take your Death.better.than.autism.rebuttal.exe elsewhere.


I have seen or heard from my elders about people from my country dying from diseases of the 18th or 19th century, because they were not vaccinated.

Funny that only in developped countries things like anti-vaccine, or veganism movements, can happen. When nobody in your neighborhood dies for 20+ years, you have plenty of time to embrass stupidly dangerous ideas.

I would cut anti-vaccine people from my life, AND report them if necessary. Some causes are worthy disowning family, and exposing kids to danger is one of them.

You are a good NPC.
And good to know that you are hilariously dictatorial.
This goes too far in that thread as you are a perfect example of a brainwashed NPC who literally cries for SWAT teams on your family for your own convictions that you absolutely do not question.
Good that Europe has to take in not only the Religion of Peace with you, but someone who is more militant about vaccines than the locals.

Please visit my future thread about vaccines and tell us your anecdotal stories of NPC-dom.
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(05-23-2019 04:08 AM)mikado Wrote:  
(05-23-2019 04:01 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(05-23-2019 03:57 AM)mikado Wrote:  
(05-23-2019 03:21 AM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  I unfortunately have this kind of problem with my sister. She's been brainwashed by all this feminism and stronk empowered wahmen nonsense.

She wasn't really like this when me and her were younger. We never got along perfectly, but i remember me and my brother playing with her, with toys and stuff, when we were little.

I think it was high school that was the brainwashing factor for her. Throughout high school she just began to start arguing with my parents a lot about grades and she had some very feminist English literature teacher. It must've been the feminist teachers and the whole collective social "empowered wahmen" cult that got to her head.

Even though i still live in the same house with my sister, i literally rarely ever talk to her. Whenever i sometimes do talk when my family gets together, after a bit of casual talk, some political or interesting topic comes up where she just feels the need to shill for PC doctrines in general, even if its not feminism. I remember a few times where she was getting into an argument and trying to moralize me on why vaccines are good, Russia is evil, why denying wahmen abortion is evil, why wahmen need higher pay, how misogyny is real and etc ....

Considering this is the sum of my relations with my older sister, it almost feels like we literally don't even live in the same house at all ...


So for you, exposing vulnerable people to measles is the right thing to do?

I guess you think that the recent measles epidemic is caused BY the vaccine, instead of the Jewish travelers or the anti-vaccine people?

Meaasles.response.exe initiated. You should first assess the other side out there Mikado - go and read and listen to fucking Nobel price laureates as well as leading doctors why this crap is wrong, but he measles.exe vaccines.good.exe is good enough.
Take your Death.better.than.autism.rebuttal.exe elsewhere.


I have seen or heard from my elders about people from my country dying from diseases of the 18th or 19th century, because they were not vaccinated.

Funny that only in developped countries things like anti-vaccine, or veganism movements, can happen. When nobody in your neighborhood dies for 20+ years, you have plenty of time to embrass stupidly dangerous ideas.

I would cut anti-vaccine people from my life, AND report them if necessary. Some causes are worthy disowning family, and exposing kids to danger is one of them.

All I will say to that is that when we were kids in the Uk in the 80s everyone got measles or chicken pox. Adults in my house got shingles.
In those days there were things like regular outbreaks of lice in schools.

When I did fund raising in recent years for vaccination against Polio Whooping Cough TB and I spoke to an anti-vaccine truther I just thought that they were a bit weird and irresponsible or just like 9/11 truthers - obsessed with one abstract issue. Most people gave to the cause and as far as I can tell people abroad benefited.

Tuberculosis has made a big comeback in the Uk, because of Somali immigration in the main and older people who never bothered to get vaxxed because no-one around them had TB hence their risk was non existent at the time. Now they check into hospital and come out with TB.

Im all for vaccinations, I just think people need to chill out about them. There will always be the likes of Christian Scientists and other non-compliance for all manner of disorganised reasons. It will be a minority. Its not going to make a difference excommunicating these people.
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(05-23-2019 04:21 AM)Teedub Wrote:  My friends and family think my views are so extreme they see them as comical and as such, not to be feared. The one or two friends I have who are smart enough to know I'm not joking, that's when I play them down (plus, they aren't white). Forum member friends, of all races, I'm completely honest with.

I initially had massive debates with my family about certain things - I was just adamant about certain topics - mostly health, less about politics.

It's really hard to debate someone like me, because I have a shit-ton of data out and I can prove some things within minutes - for example high-dosage vitamin C effectiveness. I found that after 2 years almost my entire close family was on my side.

The rest of the points - politics wise, I barely mentioned aside from a few topics where I predicted for example the refugee flood would go to - terrorism, rapes, murders etc. And sure enough - after they saw me proven correctly again, then this was no topic of conversation anymore. It also seems that they have taken a bit of a detached stance on what the media tells them, so that is good. That way they are not getting worked up so much over nothing.
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You're fortunate Simeon.

In most of our lives it is now getting out of control and breaking up once decent friendships, families, work teams..
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(05-23-2019 04:30 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  All I will say to that is that when we were kids in the Uk in the 80s everyone got measles or chicken pox. Adults in my house got shingles.
In those days there were things like regular outbreaks of lice in schools.

When I did fund raising in recent years for vaccination against Polio Whooping Cough TB and I spoke to an anti-vaccine truther I just thought that they were a bit weird and irresponsible or just like 9/11 truthers - obsessed with one abstract issue. Most people gave to the cause and as far as I can tell people abroad benefited.

Tuberculosis has made a big comeback in the Uk, because of Somali immigration in the main and older people who never bothered to get vaxxed because no-one around them had TB hence their risk was non existent at the time. Now they check into hospital and come out with TB.

Im all for vaccinations, I just think people need to chill out about them. There will always be the likes of Christian Scientists and other non-compliance for all manner of disorganised reasons. It will be a minority. Its not going to make a difference excommunicating these people.

Actually the case against vaccines is fully science based - it has little do with veganism or trutherism or whatever the kind of people go into it. When you start going into it, then you find a shit-ton of doctors opposing it for good reasons. Polio is a joke and was caused by pesticides like DDT, not by a virus. Also the iron-lung treatment for paralysis was wrong and they discontinued it. And Polio actually increased after the vaccine came out - more kids got paralized, so they changed the definitions of polio and thus decreased the official stats by 90%. Then they discontinued DDT which let the disease disappear as well. It is also caused by certain phosphates just like the Zika-virus is bullshit since the only women afflicted by it were living close to heavily sprayed rural areas or ingested lots of pesticides. South American officials tested it repeatedly and opposed the official WHO bullcrap about it.

Tuberculosis as well as other diseases already was disappearing not because of vaccines, but long before that - due to clean water, refrigeration, waste management, availability of good food all year long. Some diseases are appearing again in Los Angeles and San Francisco not because of lack of vaccines, but because of people shitting everywhere and garbage not getting cleaned up properly. Whopping cough never went away and is even spread by vaccines - but they don't report on that, because who cares. Measles itself was long since reputed to be an immune system boosting diseases that prevented cancer, the death rate of that disease was 1 in 1 mio. even in the 1950s in the US when many kids were still malnourished and dirt-poor. Heck - there were even countrins in the Caribbean that introduced vaccines only in the 1980s with having a zero % vaccination rate and their childhood mortality went up tremendously.

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Thankfully no one close to me. A couple cousins who are are pretty leftist, but I generally avoid politics with them or just make a joke or too. No lectures about white privilege yet. It is hard to imagine a mom or sibling disowning you over politics (or maybe I'm just lucky there).

Almost all my friends are upper middle class white males so they tend to be conservative, but its a pretty broad range on the right. Have drifted away from a few who are extreme white knights though, but they werent my best friends to begin with. Men should be able to have an intellectual discussion and not fully agree and continue being friends. I would never want to be friends with a full on commie/SJW.
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(05-23-2019 03:57 AM)mikado Wrote:  
(05-23-2019 03:21 AM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  I unfortunately have this kind of problem with my sister. She's been brainwashed by all this feminism and stronk empowered wahmen nonsense.

She wasn't really like this when me and her were younger. We never got along perfectly, but i remember me and my brother playing with her, with toys and stuff, when we were little.

I think it was high school that was the brainwashing factor for her. Throughout high school she just began to start arguing with my parents a lot about grades and she had some very feminist English literature teacher. It must've been the feminist teachers and the whole collective social "empowered wahmen" cult that got to her head.

Even though i still live in the same house with my sister, i literally rarely ever talk to her. Whenever i sometimes do talk when my family gets together, after a bit of casual talk, some political or interesting topic comes up where she just feels the need to shill for PC doctrines in general, even if its not feminism. I remember a few times where she was getting into an argument and trying to moralize me on why vaccines are good, Russia is evil, why denying wahmen abortion is evil, why wahmen need higher pay, how misogyny is real and etc ....

Considering this is the sum of my relations with my older sister, it almost feels like we literally don't even live in the same house at all ...


So for you, exposing vulnerable people to measles is the right thing to do?

I guess you think that the recent measles epidemic is caused BY the vaccine, instead of the Jewish travelers or the anti-vaccine people?

It's interesting that you mention "Jewish travelers".

Since anti-vaccine sentiment is being censored off the internet, governments are trying to legally enforce vaccines and the media is aggressively pro vaccine, haven't you ever thought that the "Jewish travelers" who control the media and western governments (these are provable facts) actually want people to be pro-vaccine?

I'm not going to bother saying anything further about this as it would be against the spirit of this thread and its maker. Other people seem more than eager enough to argue this out anyway ...

"And guess what, you might have a feeling that youre destined for something else, and that any day now it will dawn on you, but it will remain that, just a feeling that you use as a crutch to never focus on anything", Beirut.
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