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RE: Fractured: Family, friends and relationships lost over politics
The vicious reactions to the new forum rules and the personal change that drove them are a good example.

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05-25-2019 05:31 AM
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Law 38... served me well!
05-25-2019 05:39 AM
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RE: Fractured: Family, friends and relationships lost over politics
I realize all the friends and relationships that I had to cut ties with or lost contact was not due to politics per se. It was a deeper matter than that, a spiritual matter.

I always had a deep yearning for truth and for doing the right thing in life, and growing up atheist, it made me come eventually to God (through Catholicism). Some people on the contrary are solely living for earthly pleasures and material pursuits. They are their own God and money is their idol.

It's with these people, no matter what their political beliefs are, that I find myself in conflict with, be it in the work place or outside. Most of the times with them being passive aggressive or just fully hypocrites, acting friendly and being all smiles but knowing they despise you deep inside. They are like snakes, no man to man discussion to settle down things with them.

I am far from perfect and don't want to sound arrogant, but I truly believe that the pureness of my intentions and pursuits in life compared to the falseness and ugliness of theirs is what triggers them. They don't want to see that they are on the wrong path and that a more noble one is possible but also more difficult.

One of my cousin is actually like that. We were closed before and used to hang out a lot. But little by little we parted ways, me leaving more and more earthly pleasures and him on the contrary being more and more into it. I confronted him one time after some snarky comments he made, he assured me it was only jokes and there was no beef between us. I knew it was not true.

In the end, I chose to have minimal contact with him and only see him at family reunions.
Sad but you have to be able to walk away from toxic people.
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05-25-2019 05:14 PM
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RE: Fractured: Family, friends and relationships lost over politics
I have lost friends and had family members refuse to talk to me because I lean Republican on many issues.

If people can't understand that others have different opinions and accept them for who they are, that is their problem. And not yours

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05-25-2019 09:10 PM
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RE: Fractured: Family, friends and relationships lost over politics
(05-23-2019 03:36 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  One of the hallmarks of SJWs is that they have no real friends, just current-day allies that they are willing to villify the next day if the other SJW commits even a tiny wrong-think-error.

Good point I was going to bring up.

Use them for business, use them for networking...

But do not EVER let them get close enough to consider them a friend. People who would drop someone for political wrongthink by definition possess several personality traits that make them incapable of being true friends: narcissism (because you believe you're an arbiter of morality), treachery, absolutism, etc. in addition to general traits common in that group such as being volatile.

If you think someone would drop you because of an innocuous non-groupthink remark then that means they aren't someone who could add much value to begin with.
05-26-2019 09:03 AM
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RE: Fractured: Family, friends and relationships lost over politics
I don't talk about my political/truth views with family anymore.

I WAS, and I'd be met with dismissive comments like 'don't be ridiculous!'.

It was infuriating, and guaranteed to cause arguments.

Now I avoid bringing it up at all.

Just hoping the treason reports coming out on shows like Hannity are no joke.
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05-26-2019 09:48 AM
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RE: Fractured: Family, friends and relationships lost over politics
I have had a few fights with members of my family but things never went too big. With some friends , it is usually the case of most of them thinking i am provoking or I am a contrarian etc... It is difficult for most people to accept that our ideas are real.

Thanks God i have almost no contact with extended family and it turns out that I am better at spreading my ideas than they are with theirs.

People should not be scared of confrontations , it is best to have 2 friends having a structured life and sharing most of your ideas and having no social networks than 100 facebook/instagram artificial contacts .

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05-26-2019 10:02 AM
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RE: Fractured: Family, friends and relationships lost over politics
I think the real problem with people cutting ties to other people because of politics is not the disagreement itself, the problem and the reason for the loss of contact is because the person doing it usually will not allow their beliefs to be questioned, usually because said beliefs are simply wrong and can't handle it, and THAT is the real problem. You basically have a segment of the population that has decided that they can not handle how things are and will not accept the facts, so instead have decided to retreat into a fantasy world and even go as far as to stop talking to anyone that effects the delusion they have constructed. I use the term 'fantasy world' not lightly, what and how else would you describe someone that refuses to accept reality or will only entertain parts of what supports what they want to believe to be true. The only good thing I can say is that thank God we have such a strong system in the United States that the country can still function, at least for the moment, when such a large segment of the population basically is unable to handle how things are and are actively trying to live in a delusion.

As an example, one of my friends calls any discussion of there being no Russian Collusion as 'Republican talking points'. (Apparently Democrat Talking points are ok and even good in his world view.) When I asked "what about the Muller report" and mentioned that I even downloaded a copy, he says that he refuses to accept anything from it or read it because of the redactions. I pointed out that the redactions, about 1% of the total report, are required by law and standard because it was either items that are still under investigation ("harm to an ongoing matter") or personal issues that were not material and not needed to be disclosed or grand jury testimony, which can not be legally released.

Correction: 7.25% of the Muller report is redacted. https://www.vox.com/2019/4/19/18485535/m...data-chart

I view this as very bad since at least if problems are being discussed then there is a chance that things could be changed and improved, but if things are so bad off that people can't handle even talking about something then there is no way things can be fixed.

As an example, the Russian collusion narrative. Shockingly, the Muller report said there was none (I was expecting the report was going to say there was something but not that much but personally the whole narrative did not make any sense to me; why would the Russian try to throw things to Trump, especially since most polls said Trump was going to lose and the Russian already had a routine on how to do payoffs and get what they wanted with Hillary), and some people were so upset that they had partial meltdowns or even almost on air broadcast crying over the fact the report said there is was no collusion. Instead of being relieved that there was no collusion, some people are now insisting that the Democrat party 'needs' to move onto impeachment proceedings, even though they have no evidence to present to justify impeachment. It seems that it has never occurred to these people that maybe they have been lied to this entire time about the Russian Collusion narrative or even question as to why would Russian try to get Trump in when it was already established how they can run influence with Hillary. See the Uranium One deal, basically Hillary does what Russia wants and the Russians either pay Bill for speeches and/or contribute money to the Clinton Foundation and most people seem to have no problem with this routine and are willing to suspend disbelief that all this money paid was nothing more than a disguised bribe to get the deal done.

I expect more and more people are going to be put on antidepressants as facts intrude on their world view and more and more people will simply be almost non functioning as time goes on. (or worse than they already are now.)

My take on this thinking is that most people realize that Trump is going to win 2020, so the only 'hope' they have of preventing him from winning is trying to get him impeached ahead of time; of course the effort and lunacy that the party will appear to be exhibiting will probably ruin any chance of the Democrat to win 2020, thereby causing enormous angst on election night 2020 as they realize there is going to be another four years of Trump.

I also wonder if Hillary did not orchestrate the almost #MeToo of Biden since Hillary can't run again unless Biden is out of the way on the Democrat side. Some of my friends think the 'alt right' media did it but I do not seem that happening since I do not see the alleged 'alt right' media really being listened to or being able to pull off such a thing. So far Biden seems to have recovered, of course, it would help if Biden would simply not be all 'touchy feely' with the women around him.
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05-26-2019 12:06 PM
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RE: Fractured: Family, friends and relationships lost over politics
This topic is essentially what my old thread about being a lone wolf was about.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-72621.html

I noticed a very huge shift of politics from before college to after college. A cultural evolution that has turned friends into enemies with a snap of the finger so fast it that would make Thanos jealous. I was a nuclear bomb that went off inside a blue circle of friends. The sad part is, I considered them all my friends. I would do anything for them, as I have already. But the moment I disagreed or had a different opinion, their social media masters had already engraved in them that I was an enemy. And suddenly, like a light going off, they saw me as someone else. They did not see me as the guy who hung out with them on their darkest days. Who drove over with food and had laughs with. Who supported them through their relationships and their depressions.

Then I saw the ugliness of these people. The dark side of humanity. I was being used. I became a man that day.
05-26-2019 01:08 PM
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(05-26-2019 01:08 PM)Manbeline Wrote:  Then I saw the ugliness of these people. The dark side of humanity. I was being used. I became a man that day.

I think the worst thing about things like that happening is that you think you are dealing with someone that you thought you could trust, and have an honest conversation with. Instead you find out that they can't be trusted.
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I've told this story before but here it is again. After Trump won the presidential election I bought a bottle of wine from the Trump Winery since I thought it would be a funny memorabilia to have around. On Thanksgiving 2016, my family were having dinner together when my father brought out the wine to pour for people. Mind you, he's not a Trump supporter so he wasn't trying to make any sort of political statement. He just wanted to serve wine to everyone else.

My sister saw the bottle of wine and her eyes instantly lit up. It was surprising to me since she has a pretty monotone personality and outside of her as a kid, I don't really see emotional flares up from her. She started getting worked up and asking about why we had the wine in our house. I informed her it's in our house because I had purchased it. Once that happened I got a barrage of NPC scripts like "What about Planned Parenthood", "What about global warming", with Trump's pussy grabbing comments being the one upset her the most. I was responding to her comments but my dad stepped in and stopped the argument.

My sister is currently a PhD at a top university for a STEM project yet here she was behaving like a 16 year old Tumblr feminist with all her emotional control out of whack. It just served as another example of how being in high education isn't equivalent to being educated.
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Being educated beyond your intelligence is a major issue. Its dynamite if the wrong person thinks they get it.



05-27-2019 04:26 AM
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RE: Fractured: Family, friends and relationships lost over politics
Studies show that the left, especially women, are far more likely to unfriend over politics than others.

I have lost all my real world friends over Trump. In some cases I just got sick of hearing one NPC talking point after the other with their inability and lack of desire to have a sane conversation.

I don't mind not talking politics at all. However, NPCs are cult members and bring their hatred of Trump and Trump supporters within 15 minutes of meeting even though none of the people I meet even live in the US anymore. I am tired of sane people not feeling like they have the same right to their opinions as NPCs.

Too many sane people are still afraid of turning off their "friends" by not buying into the narratives du jour. Friends don't consider you evil and unfriend you over a simple viewpoint that was considered mainstream a decade ago and still is in non white countries.

This has resulted in my having few offline friends but so be it. I am now using Trump Derangement Syndrome as a test for where I want to move and how to meet people.
05-27-2019 05:56 AM
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(05-27-2019 05:56 AM)TheBoom Wrote:  I don't mind not talking politics at all. However, NPCs are cult members and bring their hatred of Trump and Trump supporters within 15 minutes of meeting even though none of the people I meet even live in the US anymore. I am tired of sane people not feeling like they have the same right to their opinions as NPCs.

That literally happened to me a few months ago. A friend of mine set up a meeting up with an old college friend of hers. They had gone to a Ivy League school and the woman I was going to meet went on to law school was currently a successful healthcare lawyer.

We set up a meet up at some food place. As soon as we sat down she almost immediately started asking about what I thought of the government shutdown since that was going on at the time. Prior to the meetup I specifically told myself that I wasn't going to bring up politics since doing that has actually gotten me into problems before on previous dates. Well, that didn't that matter cause she ended up bringing it up for me.

This turned into a general discussion on Trump. At one point I was thinking in my mind if I should say I don't discuss politics on first meetups. I could tell that she was vehemently anti-Trump and it might be better to avoid the subject. But then I thought that if being a Trump supporter was a deal breaker for her, then it would be better for to bring this out in the beginning rather than 8 months down the line when we were both invested in each other. So instead I told her exactly what I thought of Trump, of all the media that has been BSing everyone, how I don't really care about his personal drama like the pussy grabbing comments when it comes to his viability as a politician etc. And yeah, just like with my sister it was really those sort of comments and Trump's boorishness that rustled her more than anything else.

Something that struck me was that despite her Ivy League education and lawyer background which I presumably thought would meant she is good at presenting arguments, she didn't really have anything to say that was blowing me away intellectually. She wasn't dumb and was articulate but everything she was telling me was someone who watches CNN regularly could tell me, elite education or not. I was actually kind of expecting her to score some hits on me but she didn't say anything that I thought was a knockdown blow to my points.
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(05-27-2019 04:28 PM)Wutang Wrote:  
(05-27-2019 05:56 AM)TheBoom Wrote:  I don't mind not talking politics at all. However, NPCs are cult members and bring their hatred of Trump and Trump supporters within 15 minutes of meeting even though none of the people I meet even live in the US anymore. I am tired of sane people not feeling like they have the same right to their opinions as NPCs.

That literally happened to me a few months ago. A friend of mine set up a meeting up with an old college friend of hers. They had gone to a Ivy League school and the woman I was going to meet went on to law school was currently a successful healthcare lawyer.

We set up a meet up at some food place. As soon as we sat down she almost immediately started asking about what I thought of the government shutdown since that was going on at the time. Prior to the meetup I specifically told myself that I wasn't going to bring up politics since doing that has actually gotten me into problems before on previous dates. Well, that didn't that matter cause she ended up bringing it up for me.

This turned into a general discussion on Trump. At one point I was thinking in my mind if I should say I don't discuss politics on first meetups. I could tell that she was vehemently anti-Trump and it might be better to avoid the subject. But then I thought that if being a Trump supporter was a deal breaker for her, then it would be better for to bring this out in the beginning rather than 8 months down the line when we were both invested in each other. So instead I told her exactly what I thought of Trump, of all the media that has been BSing everyone, how I don't really care about his personal drama like the pussy grabbing comments when it comes to his viability as a politician etc. And yeah, just like with my sister it was really those sort of comments and Trump's boorishness that rustled her more than anything else.

Something that struck me was that despite her Ivy League education and lawyer background which I presumably thought would meant she is good at presenting arguments, she didn't really have anything to say that was blowing me away intellectually. She wasn't dumb and was articulate but everything she was telling me was someone who watches CNN regularly could tell me, elite education or not. I was actually kind of expecting her to score some hits on me but she didn't say anything that I thought was a knockdown blow to my points.

Yeah - had those discussions too with supposedly well-educated intelligent people. They just repeat NYTimes and CNNPC talking points like a mantra. I expect that frankly. They don't venture past the indoctrinated points and don't even take a look at the opinions of the other sides or whether they make sense. Guys of sanity on the left like Tim Pool are the massive exception and that is why he makes balanced points - is even disliked by the establishments. Because to them you are only one of them if you blindly accept everything, you ban criticism instantly.
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(05-27-2019 04:26 AM)Syberpunk Wrote:  Being educated beyond your intelligence is a major issue. Its dynamite if the wrong person thinks they get it.




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(05-23-2019 05:44 AM)Mr. D Wrote:  Haven't really lost any meaningful relationships, because I have a rule: Keep your politics to yourself.

If that's not going to happen, I'll be the first one to walk away.

This is best course of actions. Most of my friends hate Trump including my parents. I've completely stopped talking about politics with most of my friends and my parents and our relationship improved by a lot.

I have one friend that dislikes Trump but we can have actual factual discussions which is pretty awesome.
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RE: Fractured: Family, friends and relationships lost over politics
Almost every friend I made in college un-friended me on Facebook and completely removed themselves from my life over my support of Trump in 2016. I thought at the time that any amount of sacrifice would be worth getting him into office, so I never backed down or compromised on anything.

I was very wrong, and his total betrayal of his base and campaign agenda was like a slap to the face after how many of us suffered to spread his message.

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I haven't lost friends, but I just don't talk about politics. The poker games I had with friends and acquaitences usually wound up with trashing Trump, Republicans and pro-life people. One woman who plays constantly brings up her idea that anyone who is pro-life hates women because she's had a ton of premartial sex and is on the pill. They just buy the Kool Aid that only Democrats are good for anything in politics and the economy. They've never run their own business and know the challenges with that in regards to laws and taxes you pay by owning your own business.

They never see that side and just listen to Bernie and Ocasio-Cortez about economics without even thinking about it.

They get their propaganda from the news and Facebook posts. They have lived in blue states their whole lives and never saw decent political opposition especially in the city here in Buffalo, NY. Most of them work in government. They've never seen the other side because all they think they're dumb hicks who vote againist their interests (A talking point I've seen Democrats say numerous times about white working class people).

After a while, it gets old and tiring. Then I slowly realized they're comfortable where they are and don't really want to consider different points of view or opinions so I left and will stop by occasionally. Tolerating bullshit and negativity is something I've had to work on. Hell, it took me a bit to get out of blue pill thinking. I didn't really get into red pill thinking until I turned 30. Most of the friends and acquaitences I talked about are in their early-to-mid 30's.
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RE: Fractured: Family, friends and relationships lost over politics
I red pilled my whole family, they were pretty open. Red pilled vast majority of my friends too.

That said, don't sacrifice family over this stuff. Go slow with waking them up... slow enough for them not to hate you over it. Family is what's most important. Even politically.

If they (you know who I'm talking about) managed to make you break up your own family over this shit, they have won.
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