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Is this why I never get laid

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Classic fear vs. desire. Women and children naturally do this.

Approach with a sincere compliment.

You initially need more beta in your personality if you have too much alpha in your appearance. Comfort before seduction.
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Regarding looks, a lot of wisdom is to be gained by watching the Disney film "Beauty and the Beast." Every little girl has seen "Beauty and the Beast" at least a few times, maybe more, and internalized the message.

Speaking as the father of now adult daughters, if you study the very obvious messages in Disney's "Beauty and the Beast" and "Cinderella" you'll have it mostly figured out on a silver platter. They watch these over and over and, trust me, it sinks in at very deep levels of female consciousness.
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I’ve experienced it, but if it happens every time across a range of personalities then there must be something out of place.

Christ i did it to myself in high school before I sorted my shit out - socially awkward late bloomer. there was a cool hot girl who asked to make out with me on several occasions, and at one party when I left actually came out of the house and asked me to go upstairs with her. I shat myself because I thought it was a wind up, how was she into me? She actually went on to become a platinum selling pop star. Face palm.

I can imagine a female hamster doing the same on overdrive. It either that or their anti slut rises up instantly thinking if you’re so good looking perhaps you have sex on tap for fun
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(05-23-2019 09:36 AM)Balls_Hang_Low Wrote:  Anyways. Here is the solution for you OP. You need to be super humble, don't DHV yourself, don't use Negs. Talk to everyone INCLUDING THE FUGLIES so that the pretty girls won't be scared to talk to you. Women hate gettiing rejected and the fact that you talk to a fugly makes it more possible you would talk to them if approached.

My 2cents for you.

I will try this, since many girls are outright intimidated by me. I have been doing the opposite so far, including some pretty mean rejections.

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Very ugly guys treated like good looking guys

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reaction formation.

or, tsundere.

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That's why you see real life alphas without chicks. He's doing him.

Real alphas don't tend to have game. They don't tend to care about the emotional lives of the people around them."

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Isn't this just basic shit testing? I have friends who did the same and now they're orbiters.
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for some reason reading this thread reminded me of the scene in blood sport where ray Jackson asks a chick on the bus if she wants to be with a "real big man" .. His advances are ignored .. and he goes "too handsome for you huh hunnie"
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If you are very good looking all you have to do is run "confident nice guy" game and you will be set.

If you manage to be confident + nice + fun to be around you will basically be every woman's dream.
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Addendum: I'm not saying ALL women react to me in this way. Obviously not. I'm saying that there is a large percentage of women who react to me in this way.

Obviously things change with the nightlife crowd for lack of a better term. Now it's on. Very little conversation is required. Most women don't want to talk. They're down to grind, and fuck. They don't even want to kiss, most of them. Kissing connotes emotional intimacy, as does conversation and women are keen to avoid any behavior which would lead to emotional attachment or even intimacy.

I understand it logically, but I still find it strange, even disconcerting.
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OP has poor observations. Women don't get "angry" at ugly guys, they treat them as if they're invisible, or not really humans. At worst, they probably feel repulsed in the same way we walk around dog poop or hold our noses near smelly rubbish. But they don't react to them emotionally. They avoid social interactions as much as possible with them.

Women however have strong emotional reactions towards men they are very attracted to. It's not just about how good looking a man is, as good looks are only one attraction trigger for women. This can come out in many ways: extreme shyness, nervousness, over-excitement and occasionally, anger. A lot of Game is all about making women react strongly emotionally towards you. That's where the emotional roller coaster comes from.

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(05-24-2019 02:13 PM)Guitarhappy420 Wrote:  Regarding looks, a lot of wisdom is to be gained by watching the Disney film "Beauty and the Beast." Every little girl has seen "Beauty and the Beast" at least a few times, maybe more, and internalized the message.

Speaking as the father of now adult daughters, if you study the very obvious messages in Disney's "Beauty and the Beast" and "Cinderella" you'll have it mostly figured out on a silver platter. They watch these over and over and, trust me, it sinks in at very deep levels of female consciousness.

Just like Beauty and the Beast, many women want a 'project guy' and believe they're the special snowflake who will be able to change him.

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(05-30-2019 07:32 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  OP has poor observations. Women don't get "angry" at ugly guys, they treat them as if they're invisible, or not really humans. At worst, they probably feel repulsed in the same way we walk around dog poop or hold our noses near smelly rubbish. But they don't react to them emotionally. They avoid social interactions as much as possible with them.

Women however have strong emotional reactions towards men they are very attracted to. It's not just about how good looking a man is, as good looks are only one attraction trigger for women. This can come out in many ways: extreme shyness, nervousness, over-excitement and occasionally, anger. A lot of Game is all about making women react strongly emotionally towards you. That's where the emotional roller coaster comes from.

Yes, they do get very angry at ugly guys. Because of political correctness, they try not to show how much they detest these guys AT FIRST. However, if they stick around and persist beyond a few seconds of polite conversation, then it gets very risky. She does not want to lose her cool with an ugly guy.

Typically what happens is that she vents once the ugly guy leaves. If you're below average, hit on a hot girl and persist, she is going to become low key enraged. You won't know it though until you leave. That's when she'll light your ass up unleashing a torrent of insults and flying into a rage simply because you dared even speak to her.

There's a strong element of political correctness involved here. A hot white girl can't be overtly rude to some random guy black guy or super fat hispanic guy. This could be interpreted as racism. They will try to be polite at first, then ignore then they may be forced to walk (or run) away. With white guys, there is no such limitation and they will swear, yell, and/or physically assault the guy. At the very least, he is subject to the harshest insults she can think of.

But you are right. A hot girl will sometimes make a big show of how pissed off she apparently is with a good looking guy. Eventually, they give up of course, but the first couples of times you encounter her, she might make a big show of it.

The thing is, this is her gaming you, as much as you are gaming her. Flying off the handle is girl game.

So, basically despite the anger, the arc of anger is completely opposite. With ugly guys, she starts off polite or indifferent and becomes more and more enraged if you persist. With a good looking guy she STARTS OUT enraged then gradually calms down until it's "safe" to have sex with her lol.
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I am a very good looking guy and I get this shit all the time. Sometime my looks work for me and sometime they shoot me in the foot. It's just the way it is. Rejection makes you strong just go find the girl that wants to vibe with you don't waste time on negative annoying girls. This isn't to say you shouldn't stay in the set but if she really is giving you a zero and you are very good looking chill guy just be okay she is blind and move on to the next.
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Women get it too from other women - I have to spend a lot of time in an office and I work with a lot of average to below average looking women. We had a good looking woman start, a legit 8, and all I ever heard was people bitching about her and the girls gossiping about her.

I actually made a massive faux pas once with it when I said they only hate her because she's good looking; and another dude said, 'are you trying to say these girls aren't good looking,' and there was pure silence for five seconds.
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Yup. Older women despise younger, hotter girls.
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I haven't been to The Kwa in almost 15 years, but I recall a bit of what the OP suggests.


https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/have-ame...white-hate

I also remember some of what the abovementioned article alludes to.

In a declining society, everything mirrors backwardness. I dare to say that most non-White countries don't have societal norms where good looking men are treated like 'ugly' men.
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I am inclined to say I disagree with your reasoning on why this is happening. Rather than them being too turned on (please), I think that sometimes in cases where you communicate a high SMV, your advances (flirting or whatever) come off as suspicious to the woman by seeming insincere, especially if she does not have very high SMV herself. At least to me, this tends to happen when you are as/more attractive than the girl, have a higher social status (job, money, etc.), better dressed, because it just becomes so obvious that you would not be genuinely interested in her in the way she wants a guy to be interested in her, a kind of "too good to be true" effect which turns them off. Put differently, she wants the kind of attention where she can feel like she is potential girlfriend material, EVEN IF she just wants to, so to speak, " kiss ", and your high SMV makes this extremely unlikely, thus turning her off.
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(06-09-2019 02:49 AM)HAcoreRD Wrote:  I am inclined to say I disagree with your reasoning on why this is happening. Rather than them being too turned on (please), I think that sometimes in cases where you communicate a high SMV, your advances (flirting or whatever) come off as suspicious to the woman by seeming insincere, especially if she does not have very high SMV herself. At least to me, this tends to happen when you are as/more attractive than the girl, have a higher social status (job, money, etc.), better dressed, because it just becomes so obvious that you would not be genuinely interested in her in the way she wants a guy to be interested in her, a kind of "too good to be true" effect which turns them off. Put differently, she wants the kind of attention where she can feel like she is potential girlfriend material, EVEN IF she just wants to, so to speak, " kiss ", and your high SMV makes this extremely unlikely, thus turning her off.

Well said. Contrary to the belief, girls don't want to be pumped-and-dumped on some level, in the same way a guy doesn't want to be used as a meal ticket.

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(06-09-2019 10:08 AM)nek Wrote:  Well said. Contrary to the belief, girls don't want to be pumped-and-dumped on some level, in the same way a guy doesn't want to be used as a meal ticket.

Yeah, I believe this is why it's often easier to attract girls who have a similar SMV we have ourselves. Unless they are really, really into kiss, hugs et al., of course.

You don't want to outshine (or out-SMV them, if you will) them, you want to make the attraction feel natural, appropriate and reasonable. Of course you still want to communicate your highest SMV possible within that range where your approaching still comes off as genuine attraction. Got to be real.
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(06-09-2019 02:49 AM)HAcoreRD Wrote:  I am inclined to say I disagree with your reasoning on why this is happening. Rather than them being too turned on (please), I think that sometimes in cases where you communicate a high SMV, your advances (flirting or whatever) come off as suspicious to the woman by seeming insincere, especially if she does not have very high SMV herself. At least to me, this tends to happen when you are as/more attractive than the girl, have a higher social status (job, money, etc.), better dressed, because it just becomes so obvious that you would not be genuinely interested in her in the way she wants a guy to be interested in her, a kind of "too good to be true" effect which turns them off. Put differently, she wants the kind of attention where she can feel like she is potential girlfriend material, EVEN IF she just wants to, so to speak, " kiss ", and your high SMV makes this extremely unlikely, thus turning her off.

Lotta good looking guys go wrong by not establishing a level of comfort. Contrary to a lot of PUAs exercising some reasonable form of validation is crucial
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(06-10-2019 12:50 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 02:49 AM)HAcoreRD Wrote:  I am inclined to say I disagree with your reasoning on why this is happening. Rather than them being too turned on (please), I think that sometimes in cases where you communicate a high SMV, your advances (flirting or whatever) come off as suspicious to the woman by seeming insincere, especially if she does not have very high SMV herself. At least to me, this tends to happen when you are as/more attractive than the girl, have a higher social status (job, money, etc.), better dressed, because it just becomes so obvious that you would not be genuinely interested in her in the way she wants a guy to be interested in her, a kind of "too good to be true" effect which turns them off. Put differently, she wants the kind of attention where she can feel like she is potential girlfriend material, EVEN IF she just wants to, so to speak, " kiss ", and your high SMV makes this extremely unlikely, thus turning her off.

Lotta good looking guys go wrong by not establishing a level of comfort. Contrary to a lot of PUAs exercising some reasonable form of validation is crucial

Disagree complete. Validation never works out and some beta game always leads to poor results.
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(05-23-2019 09:36 AM)Balls_Hang_Low Wrote:  Happens to me all the time. Don't wanna humble brag but what OP says is true. Ive had girls openly confess they don't wanna smash because they think I'm too good for them (which I am). Girls in the 5-6 range are very hesitant because they can't believe I actually wanna plow em.

Imagine this situation... A sexy blondr big titted 18 yr old virgin walks up to you strips naked and tells you to fuck her in the middle of a crowded room. You would be hesitant.

Does she have aids? Why would she pick me over Chad right beside me? You would be suspicious. This is how girls feel when I either talk to them on tinder, as a warm up at a bar or whatever.

Even girls who are in the top tier feel it occasionally. Even if they have massive fake tits they're still insecure little hoes who know their only value stems from their slut body and even had to put in implants so people would notice em.

My dad who is a fucking legend told me the shit was happening to him too when he was a young buck.

Anyways. Here is the solution for you OP. You need to be super humble, don't DHV yourself, don't use Negs. Talk to everyone INCLUDING THE FUGLIES so that the pretty girls won't be scared to talk to you. Women hate gettiing rejected and the fact that you talk to a fugly makes it more possible you would talk to them if approached.

My 2cents for you.

omg yes, I've had this problem since middle school, when I first hit puberty. Also, tell me, have any of you guys ever had girls hate you because you didn't like them in return after they had made it obvious that they like you? Again since middle school, I've had this issue where if a girl made it obvious that she was into me and I didn't reciprocate the feeling, they fucking start hating me. They wouldnt even say hi to me in the hall way or out in the quad.
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Very good points by all. Great observations and personal stories.

However, no one has mentioned anything about ALPHA WIDOWS.

Now, the word alpha male is way too subjective in my opinion and it's misused all the time. As I mentioned in another post on this forum, the amount of true alphas in today's society are slim to none. Modern society has too many rules and regulations, so even the baddest of the bad have to play by the rules to some degree. What a modern woman (and man) deems as an alpha in today's day in age, is fucking laughable. Ohhhhh, he's got a hot car, a cool haircut, works out, is 6ft plus, and has 5k IG followers. He MUST be an alpha. LOL, spare me. ALPHA is largely BEHAVIOR/ACTION based.

Alpha Widows

Most American women between the ages of oh let's say 25 to 35, have dated someone they deemed as an "alpha" at some point in their lives. This is especially true for women in the upper aesthetic echelon. Most of these girls have, at some point, had their HEART BROKEN. A lot of them never fully recover. Time heels everything, but since women are extremely sensitive creatures (despite their faux-alpha fronts), as well as being overly dramatic (especially American women), you are dealing with damaged goods and open wounds. There are no shortage of alpha widows in this day in age. Most men are simply unaware just how many are out there.

How does this tie into good looking guys treated like ugly guys?

I wouldn't say they are treated like ugly guys, because women are repulsed by ugly guys. They usually avoid them all together if possible. Good-looking guys are ALWAYS treated better from the off, regardless. What does happen a lot of the time though is that the woman becomes GUARDED and subconsciously FEARFUL, because the "alpha" man in front of her is a reminder of heart break, insecurity, and ill-feeling she remembers so vividly from a man who is cut from a similar cloth. This a lot of the time causes said woman to REJECT said man either directly or indirectly. The hotter the girl generally speaking, the more fragile the ego. Repeat that to yourselves 10 times. Despite all their arrogance, women HATE WITH A PASSION, getting dumped, cheated on, left for someone else, etc. I naturally have a cunty/asshole vibe to me that if toned down, would absolutely yield me better results. Many women have flat out told me I have the look of a player/douche bag, and to a degree, they aren't wrong. I've toned it down a few times before just to see what would happen and it HAS gotten me success. It is however, INCONGRUENT with my true self and I can only put up a front for so long.

Like quaker13 said, establishing some level of comfort is crucial for good looking guys. If you are good-looking and are getting rejected, it might not be you or your approach, it might be your target. TIMING is also a huge factor as well, but that's a different story for a different day. If you are/look like a dick or classically handsome.... simple, nice-guy game and building rapport and comfort might be the trick. If this isn't who you trully are, it's going to be tough to put up the front for an extended period of time.

All the best gents!
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