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RE: NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum
(05-25-2019 10:07 AM)VNvet Wrote:  
(05-25-2019 08:25 AM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  I still feel the women aren’t worth this. I stated that I know it’s roosh forum and he can do whatever he wants but this hurts men.

Women are way more vile, way more strategic, more insecure which means more dangerous and the one thing they DONT deserve is a man who will give them a relationship. The thing is, a lot of relationships are built off how good the sex is. A woman IS NOT going to wait on a man, there’s no social pressure for her to do so.

Most of the guys who support this are guys who are deep in the game, maybe 40’s or 50’s. They already have the foundation of gAme, and the notch count to give themselves confidence they cN settle down and withstand the struggles a relationship causes.

Women aren't strategic.

Honestly, it doesn't take more than 6 months to build a "foundation of game." Women are not complicated creatures.

1. Be dominant.
2. Don't be a cuck.
3. Always lead.
4. Never take orders from a woman.
5. Never take a woman seriously.
6. Escalate.

That's all you need to learn about game. I can't figure out what guys that "study" game for 10+ years are doing with their time other than wasting it.

You certainly don't have to be 40-50 years old to figure out this stuff.


You seem to be correct that the principles are relatively straightforward, but putting those principles to practice in the real world can be quite a challenge because sometimes guys will have to camouflage some of their intentions and direction in order to get compliance. Furthermore, if the girl does not perceive the guy as high value based on looks, income, social standing (and also if there are bad ratios of decent target women in a certain area as compared to a lot of seemingly eligible men), then it will be much more difficult to get her cooperation... Having the girl's cooperation tends to be quite helpful... lessens drama.
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I predict the moral centre ground here will be Roman Catholic social conservatism. Especially on matters relating to inter sex relations, labour, hypergamous child slaying and usury.

Whether you’re Protestant or atheist it is irrelevant because the average atheist 100 years ago was probably more righteous than a modern day Christian such is the social decline.
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I haven't been the most active poster here over the 6+ years I've been here, but I've found it very valuable in that time. Mostly initially for game and gaming related travel, but also in later years for life and fitness and just general travel advice. Even if I was traveling to places with my girlfriend or for work there is lots of valuable information in the travel forum. I think its a disservice to the quality of the posts there to write it off exclusively as being about chasing notches, as some people do. There was always far more to it than that.

There is a huge breadth of experience in the posters on the forum in general which is fantastic - being able to read well written datasheets on Uzbekistan, discussions of weightlifting routines, and long term relationship psychology in one place is extremely unusual. I love how varied the user base is - guys from all over the world, from teenagers to in their 60s, of every race and most nationalities. The main common theme in them being a belief in self improvement.

The forum's focus on self improvement above all else has always seemed a way, way more healthy approach to game than any other "PUA" or game communities out there. I think it provided invaluable service to many young guys (including me) out there who otherwise would have been sucked into more psychologically (and/or physically damaging) solutions to their lack of game. And I'm a big believer in the "game saves lives" school of thought, that communities like this probably prevented more Elliot Rogers cases happening because they helped angry, frustrated, young men become successful in the dating market.

Over the recent couple of years there definitely has been a shift towards the American/alt-right/politics side of things though, which brought in a lot more "theoretical" posters to put it nicely. Guys who valued Google searches over boots on the ground experience. Who didn't have that much real life experience. Who also tended to be very angry about politics, and have fairly kooky views on race. But there was still always a core of older, high value posters I thought - which kept me coming back.

I can completely understand Roosh getting tired of the player lifestyle, because its happened to almost every man I've known as they hit their late 30s. I also completely respect his right to do what he wants with the forum, as it is his at the end of the day. And I do want to thank him for creating it in the first place, because I think he very much deserves huge credit for that. But I do wish he wasn't going the route of censoring the forum so harshly. Extreme censorship of any dissenting views, in my experience, arises from excessively dogmatic views - on either the left or right, religious or atheist. Things are almost never black and white, but rather shades of grey. A healthy life philosophy survives, and thrives, with constant exposure to, and debate with, conflicting schools of thought. Not in intellectual isolation.

This means I am fairly pessimistic about the future of the forum, given this change. I think its likely to turn into a far more close minded, far more limited demographic on the forum. I'll still come back, because I do hope to be proven wrong, but I imagine my time spent here will diminish over time.

I now really regret not making more an effort to meet some of the posters here, who I thought made fantastic posts, in person for a beer - I kept telling myself I'd get around to it when I was in a city they were in, when I was less busy with work, if/when I was single again - a whole range of excuses. Fortis, rudebwoy, Suits, Moma, DigitalNomand and countless others. I do hope a replacement forum (I saw Swoop The World mentioned earlier in the thread and have joined) attracts most of these guys, so that the community spirit can live on somewhere.
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(05-25-2019 06:18 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  2) You don’t need to screw them to have some powerful learning experiences. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with going out and practicing your conversation skills at night, and you SHOULD be running multiple relationships at once up until the point you’ve seen enough of one of them to feel that they need to be considered for a potential spouse

Unless you're doing this as part of a marriage arrangement inside of a strict church setting - like Jehovah's Witnesses or Morons or the like - this will just get you friendzoned.


(05-25-2019 07:26 AM)Going strong Wrote:  Problem is, if you don't "screw" the beautiful woman you are patiently "courting", rest assured that very probably someone else is (or will, soon).

If you're not fornicating with her, someone else is. I remember when this was accepted wisdom on the forum. That was a day ago...


(05-25-2019 08:15 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  This is where I'm hopeful for the future usefulness of this forum. From experience we all now know:

You can't hook a whore with a bible.
...
fish with the right kind bait for the kind of woman you want.

Good luck finding that NAWALT unicorn.

This cute girl at my gym is active in her church, teaches the youth groups, was the virgin Mary in their "living nativity" at Christmas - has an impressive notch count and just cheated on her boyfriend. AWALT. Again, this was accepted wisdom on the forum a day ago.
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I see that a thread opened up on psychedelic drugs. So is the intention to move men away from healthy sex and into dangerous addictive drugs? I also note that all the righteous Bible believers seem to be on board with this.

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(05-25-2019 10:57 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  
(05-25-2019 06:18 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  2) You don’t need to screw them to have some powerful learning experiences. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with going out and practicing your conversation skills at night, and you SHOULD be running multiple relationships at once up until the point you’ve seen enough of one of them to feel that they need to be considered for a potential spouse

Unless you're doing this as part of a marriage arrangement inside of a strict church setting - like Jehovah's Witnesses or Morons or the like - this will just get you friendzoned.

This could be opened up in a new thread, but I think this topic is up for debate. From my experience, you can absolutely game a standard western girl and keep her off the market without having sex with her. How long this can be done for though, I've never tested. I guess it's up for experimentation.
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Was the Forum heading in this direction anyway?

Stats for the Everything Else section: 21,788 threads and 942, 556 posts.
Stats for the Game section: 16,013 threads and 401,290.

One big problem with Game is that people outside the community now know about it. So if you try and use ideas like "negging," you can get called on it. So, it's lost its effectiveness on the one-on-one level.

It hasn't lost its power, though, on the mindset level. Meaning: Your thoughts are your reality and if you keep a certain outlook, your life will follow that, at least to some degree.

The only worry I have about this forum changing is that I think the Game section was a good alternative to mainstream culture for younger guys to get advice.

The most popular advice columnists are women (Carolyn Hax; Dear Prudence) or gay men (Dan Savage) and none of them share the experience of being a straight man in the world today. As such, none are really qualified to give advice to younger straight men.

If the Game section got a name change and developed into a straight, male alternative to the aforementioned advice columnists, I think it would be more popular. And serve an important role in modern society.
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(05-25-2019 11:09 AM)Sherman Wrote:  I see that a thread opened up on psychedelic drugs. So is the intention to move men away from healthy sex and into dangerous addictive drugs? I also note that all the righteous Bible believers seem to be on board with this.

psychedelic drugs aren't addictive
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On a side note, isn't the core of what every guy wants [And has always wanted]; A nice girl he can settle down with in a monogamous relationship? At some point as men, I think we can wallow that the systems broken, or maybe try to group think a way to finally give this to men because ultimately, if we don't try, it won't happen.
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(05-25-2019 08:04 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Yeah, maybe Roosh wants to keep doing the hard yards and leave a perpetual target on his back supporting behaviour he no longer condones running free forums that he has to moderate because even after ten years there's still not a single fucking man in the world willing to step into the gaping hole he's leaving in this admittedly deadbeat sector of the manosphere.

Better yet. Roosh should give you your separate forum and just charge 30 bucks a month.

We'd soon see how much people truly value this venue vs perhaps a couple of six packs a month.

I very much doubt he'd ever end up having to weigh his conscience vs a big, fat cheque.

Why do I get the feeling that in 40 years some of you guys would still be guilt tripping Roosh into running this shit for the benefit of everyone but himself.

I agree. I think Roosh should have charged for access to the forum. I wouldn't moderate a forum for free that's for sure. Too many guys these days want something for nothing. In fact I'd argue that the fact that internet content is basically free is why we have no privacy and that everyone's data is for sale. If people paid for things like Facebook,Twitter etc we wouldn't have such a level of censorship since people could vote with their checkbook to stop using such services when they became disenchanted with those products. Those companies would be forced to listen to their customers. Everyone wants something for nothing though these days, I experience it in my own business.
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RE: NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum
Hey Roosh, while the forum is yours to do with as you please I really do think it would be a shame for all the information gathered here over the years, even the obsolete information, to go into purgatory forever. Keep in mind this forum has been around for various culture changes over the years and that records of each change and its effect on overall society have been logged on here. Such information is important for the next generation of men to know and study and be well prepared as their defense against whatever the current degenerate society throws at them.

Also as an aside, much of the information regarding overall female encounters and relationships for something serious can correlate, even if just slightly, to the gigantic number of threads in the Newbie and Game forums as well as scattered about through Everything Else. Remember that just because a woman is Christian or becomes Christian doesn't mean she's no longer free from sin or temptation to sin. Everyone here knows that current society no longer values purity, chastity, virginity, and female responsibility and actually strongly discourages it. I wont bother going into the details of the how's and why's but every girl (Christian or not) is basically constantly prodded and conditioned to give into her base instincts and told that there will be no consequences (lol) for doing so whether it's by media, peers, or family. A strong framed man with decent enough game of any kind helps curb these impulses. Whether that man uses that knowledge and attitude for a decent purpose is on him and his own conscience.

If you really are determined either way to start purging things from here then give us members at least a few months to start archiving threads and links contained there so it doesn't get lost forever. Members could organize and start archiving threads in sections so it doesn't just fall to single individuals having to comb through thousands of pages but that would need a lot of time to make sure all of the important stuff is grabbed.
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DoBA, yes the forum has been heading this way. A number of years ago I observed the older members had gone through the life phases of King Solomon:

Song of Solomon - blue pill romantic

Proverbs - red pill wisdom, women would take a good man to Sheol but a good wife is like finding a ruby

(Solomon has 9000 wives)

Ecclesiastes - cynical and black humoured Black Pill

At the end of Ecclesiastes, Solomon observes that the God Pill is the only thing that isn’t vanity.
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(05-25-2019 03:41 AM)Gustavus Adolphus Wrote:  And I got to tell ya, one of the main problems I have with this new house rules from you is that there is an illusion that the forum is “your work”. It’s really not. It’s tens of thousands of registered users who built that. Rooshv.com is all you, and I love that. But adding that forum means all of us.

If you simply said that the Roosh v blog wasn’t going to be discussing those topics then ok, I’ll respect that choice. No more books? Ok. That’s your call.

The forum should have always been about Us not You. Roots keep the tree upright when shit gets windy. Don’t forget that.

Yea, roots keep the tree upright when shit gets windy. It takes a village. More power to the people. Workers of the world, unite! We heard it all before.

Here we go again with the unmitigated, ungrateful, nonsensical shades of President Obama's "If you've got a business—you didn't build that"? Roosh built the forum. No one else did. Roosh did. If he had not conceptualized the idea and then carried out that idea through his own hard work and sheer force of will, then the forum would simply not exist.

Yes, other men contributed to the forum's success, but that does not make the forum their personal property or erase the fact that the forum would not even exist (to draw those other men) without its creator. Now that Roosh wishes to modify the forum to honor his own Creator, many forum members have exposed themselves as self-entitled victimhood-culture pricks.

Part of the reason why the forum changed over the years is because Roosh added the red pill philosophy to other aspects of his life. Yet, so many forum members deluded themselves into believing that they were red-pilled men, when they were actually red-pilled in only one small aspect of their lives (game).

They remained blue-pilled in most other aspects of their lives: politics, economics, philosophy, religion, etc. Many of these people left the forum on their own. Many such members still remain. In many cases, these are the forum members most upset at these changes, because they were brainwashed into believing that other people (their parents, society, Roosh) owe them something.

It is time to grow up, folks. No one owes you anything. You were lucky to be born at all. You were lucky that someone else had the creative skill to provide this forum to you (for free). Be grateful for what you have, instead of blaming others for what you lack. Grow a pair, man up, and move on.
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(05-23-2019 11:15 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Due to my recent turn to faith, my sense of morality is becoming based on the Bible. I've stopped a lot of behaviors that I've used to do and am in the process of making other changes. I've also realized that the majority of my published materials and online platforms lead men into sin or enable them to partake in sin. I no longer want this to occur, so I am implementing two new rules on the forum that are effective on June 1, 2019.

1 .You can no longer discuss fornication or pre-marital sexual activity

Things you can discuss:

-Meeting women with the intention of entering a relationship with them
-Attracting women
-Going on dates
-How to enter relationships
-Using technology to meet women
-How to maintain relationships
-Sexual activity while married

Things you can no longer discuss:

-Meeting women with the intention of fornicating with them
-How to bang
-Physical intimacy with women you're not married to beyond the act of kissing
-Maintaining relationships with multiple women (i.e. spinning plates)
-Cheating on significant others (adultery)
-Using technology to fornicate
-Discussion of travel destinations which are best for fornication
-Stories of sexual activity while not married
-Promoting masturbation, oral sex, anal sex, etc.

2. You can no longer use pornographic or vulgar language

-Refrain from using terms like "I fucked her" or "I want to fuck her." Do not describe sexual encounters or situations that are beyond the act of kissing unless you are married.
-Refrain from using profanity if a cleaner word would suffice.

These rules will cause great change to the forum

The above two rules will mostly apply to the Game and Travel subforums. I know that I may lose some of you because of these rules, but I can no longer help men lead a life of sin, because doing so is weighing on my conscious.

I created this forum in 2008 to help men fornicate, so I don't know if it's possible to "retrofit" it for another purpose, but it's worth a try. In the meanwhile, I will gradually lock threads that break these new rules if they become active. The fully updated rules that new members see is stickied in the Everything Else forum. It can be viewed here.

Hey brother, good on you. I have a deeper respect for you than I thought I would. God bless you in your endeavors... I'm guessing I'm going to pursue my faith more actively as well.. this is encouraging for us lukewarm Christians that have floundered for the past decade.
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(05-25-2019 11:20 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  
(05-25-2019 10:57 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  
(05-25-2019 06:18 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  2) You don’t need to screw them to have some powerful learning experiences. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with going out and practicing your conversation skills at night, and you SHOULD be running multiple relationships at once up until the point you’ve seen enough of one of them to feel that they need to be considered for a potential spouse

Unless you're doing this as part of a marriage arrangement inside of a strict church setting - like Jehovah's Witnesses or Morons or the like - this will just get you friendzoned.

This could be opened up in a new thread, but I think this topic is up for debate. From my experience, you can absolutely game a standard western girl and keep her off the market without having sex with her. How long this can be done for though, I've never tested. I guess it's up for experimentation.

I know that you are trying to play within parameters, but seems like a dumb experiment to NOT escalate. Maybe I am jaded?
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(05-25-2019 11:59 AM)N°6 Wrote:  DoBA, yes the forum has been heading this way. A number of years ago I observed the older members had gone through the life phases of King Solomon:

Song of Solomon - blue pill romantic

Proverbs - red pill wisdom, women would take a good man to Sheol but a good wife is like finding a ruby

(Solomon has 9000 wives)

Ecclesiastes - cynical and black humoured Black Pill

At the end of Ecclesiastes, Solomon observes that the God Pill is the only thing that isn’t vanity.

From what I've read, back then the word "vanity" signified meaningless more than narcissism. The definition of the word changed over time. This is from interpretations I've read of the phrase "vanity of vanities" from Ecclesiastes.

So I think he was saying God is the only alternative to nothingness or the void. Which doesn't change the meaning of what you just wrote; it just adds some context to it.
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(05-24-2019 01:09 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  
(05-24-2019 01:00 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
(05-24-2019 12:44 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  I know it's easier to suggest I'm a former member than actually address my arguments (which are irrefutable). But that kind of intellectual laziness is to be expected from a god-piller I suppose.

Also, I find it very odd that in 8 years on the forum nobody has ever met you. It's bit rich to be talking about who's wanted and popularity contests,etc. when your presence here has been entirely a virtual one.Wink

Yeah, just a coincidence that SpecialEd on the Swoop forum is in the exact same location as you talking about the exact same things. How is Dash?

Oh, if I was desperate I would worry about being popular. Or I would keep coming back to a forum that has banned me several times. No doubt that is why you're angry and lashing out like a scorn woman.

You're not the sharpest tack.

I'm not familiar with "the swoop forum". Upon googling, swoop the world? Forum appears to be down.

A sharp tack wouldn't make claims without any proof.

I'm not angry - just calling out hypocrisy where I see it. Obviously it triggered you enough to try to get me banned versus debating me like a grown man. That does appear desperate.

Worldwidetraveler was spot on with his hunch - turns out Trumpian not only was SpecialEd on SwoopTheWorld but also has had multiple accounts on here

https://swooptheworld.com/forum/showthre...03#pid8103
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(05-25-2019 12:16 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  
(05-25-2019 11:20 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  
(05-25-2019 10:57 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  
(05-25-2019 06:18 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  2) You don’t need to screw them to have some powerful learning experiences. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with going out and practicing your conversation skills at night, and you SHOULD be running multiple relationships at once up until the point you’ve seen enough of one of them to feel that they need to be considered for a potential spouse

Unless you're doing this as part of a marriage arrangement inside of a strict church setting - like Jehovah's Witnesses or Morons or the like - this will just get you friendzoned.

This could be opened up in a new thread, but I think this topic is up for debate. From my experience, you can absolutely game a standard western girl and keep her off the market without having sex with her. How long this can be done for though, I've never tested. I guess it's up for experimentation.

I know that you are trying to play within parameters, but seems like a dumb experiment to NOT escalate. Maybe I am jaded?

There is plenty of scope for escalation before sex. However, I think if someone enters a relationship and continues withholding sex, I can't see many scenario's where it doesn't go downhill.
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(05-25-2019 11:40 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  I agree. I think Roosh should have charged for access to the forum. I wouldn't moderate a forum for free that's for sure. Too many guys these days want something for nothing. In fact I'd argue that the fact that internet content is basically free is why we have no privacy and that everyone's data is for sale. If people paid for things like Facebook,Twitter etc we wouldn't have such a level of censorship since people could vote with their checkbook to stop using such services when they became disenchanted with those products. Those companies would be forced to listen to their customers. Everyone wants something for nothing though these days, I experience it in my own business.

Eh.

On one hand, moderation is a lot of work and a pain that often sticks mods in the middle of ugly disputes with little or no appreciation.

On the other hand, you never hear the sentence "I signed up for the amazing moderation".

The reason there are few pay forums is because the user is both the customer and the product. Same with Facebook. The user-generated content is what people come for, and without them, the site is just a husk. Whether this is desirable or not is an entirely different can of worms, but that's where it is.

With that said, yes, some people are totally off-the-wall expecting Roosh to put them first. We can debate the wisdom of the new rules - and are - but it's unambiguously his house we're all partying in and people should disagree graciously.

Tail Gunner Wrote:Be grateful for what you have, instead of blaming others for what you lack.

Counter-point: that sentence would preclude half of the content on the Everything Else/Politics forums, which is going to be the core content after this goes into effect.

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RE: NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum
(05-25-2019 12:16 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  
(05-25-2019 11:20 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  
(05-25-2019 10:57 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  
(05-25-2019 06:18 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  2) You don’t need to screw them to have some powerful learning experiences. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with going out and practicing your conversation skills at night, and you SHOULD be running multiple relationships at once up until the point you’ve seen enough of one of them to feel that they need to be considered for a potential spouse

Unless you're doing this as part of a marriage arrangement inside of a strict church setting - like Jehovah's Witnesses or Morons or the like - this will just get you friendzoned.

This could be opened up in a new thread, but I think this topic is up for debate. From my experience, you can absolutely game a standard western girl and keep her off the market without having sex with her. How long this can be done for though, I've never tested. I guess it's up for experimentation.

I know that you are trying to play within parameters, but seems like a dumb experiment to NOT escalate. Maybe I am jaded?

In my own experience, this question of "escalate" or "don't escalate" is missing the point.

The point is, WHAT IS YOUR GOAL in escalating? Are you doing this to get qet quick sex? Are you lying to yourself and to her? Or, are you doing it because you are 100% serious about finding a good wife, you are ready to take on the enormous burden of being a father and husband, and that woman it the one you want?

The problem with this forum is, you guys have gone so far over into the "Gaming" side of the equation, it has kind of twisted your view of life. Yeah, I know, it's a response to the nature of society, I don't criticize that, but still you are FAR FAR over to one side. Just come back to the middle a bit and stop theorizing.

Many of you have hardened hearts, and you can't be a good husband and father like that. A man must be strong and ruthless if needed in the outside world, firm but gentle and loving in his family. If you're going to get angry and resentful every time you have a few glasses of wine, then you should not have a family.

If you want to find wives, them make the decision that you are going to look for a wife. Forget all this talk and spend some time meditating, or talking to a priest, or whatever, and get your heart and your thoughts clear that you want to get married and what kind of woman will be a good match for you. And what kind of husband you intend to be to her.. Go to church. Go dancing, the old fashioned kind, not the orgy kind. What kind of changes are you going to make in your life to be that kind of man? How are you going to be a man who protects and serves your wife when she is weak and vulnerable carrying your child in her womb? What will you do if you have a child that is handicapped, sick, or injured?

I've said this before: a man who has decided to give up quick sex and is looking for a mate gives off a whole different aura. Women pick up on that instantly. It's phermones. You don't have to tell people. Just make your decision and let it be your new frame. The biggest problem in a lot of marriages is that the man hasn't made that decision, he just kind of slides into marriage accidentally, not because he's ready. Some woman maneuvered him into it because she wanted it so badly.

I personally don't believe that it's that huge a deal whether you have sex before marriage or not. I know many have strong beliefs about that, but I don't. When I met my wife, I wanted her heart and soul, I was burning for her. Not just sex. I knew she was the mother of my children. And vice versa. But yeah, the sex was huge because our blood was running for each other and we didn't care whether we had the marriage certificate or not. For me, the first time we slept together was the same as getting married. We had made our decision.
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RE: NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum
I stumbled on to Roosh and RVF years ago through the legendary Neil Skywalker's old blog. I remember that night very well. I was sitting and having a drink on Boracay Island in The Philippines reading some travel related stuff. Needless to say I was in for a ride that I could never have foreseen.

I was into (hardcore) traveling years before I discovered this forum but all the good info I gathered here took things on to another level.

Traveling on busroofs through Taliban territory in Pakistan, crisscrossed Russia multiple times, raising hell in Southeast Asia and Brazil, hitchhiked in Iraq , long drunken nights in shady side alleys in Japan and so on.
Rock n Roll all night and sleep all day was my life.
Meanwhile all this was a huge experience, everything comes with a cost.
Many hearts broken, lots of money wasted, alcoholism, bad physical and mental health etc etc. I returned home and all I had was an empty shell of a soul.

Things had to change.
Thanks to this forum I started eating healthy, I learned to cook and now I'm a hell of a chef.

Thanks to this forum, I started working out, I joined a gym and started to take care of my body. Now I'm strong and fit.

Thanks to this forum I started training martial arts, now I can defend myself.

I also joined TLOZ legendary drinking wagon and I stayed clean and sober for 18 months which is a incredible achievement looking on what kind of lifestyle I had been living.

A bit later on I met a girl, which is now my wife and the mother of my child.
Godfearing Orthodox Christian. She is not using social media, which is rare these days. I dare to say I had not found or chosen her if it was not for all the knowledge I had learned on my journey and RVF.

I used to do everything, and had nothing. Now I'm fullfilled and have everything.

These days I'm living a calm life in out in the nature with my family on the same place where at least 20 generations of my bloodline have previously lived.

I had a real decade of degenerate decadence across the world but if I could turn back the clock to the age of 20, I would have made 5-10 children instead!
I had to walk a long road to realise this and it saddens my heart.

Without children there are no sunshine and no life. I am deeply thankful to my ancestors who did not give up during difficult times and made sure the bloodline would continue. I'm going to honor them with adding more children to our bloodline.
All this gives me meaning and spiritual fullfillment.

I like this direction of the forum. I have met many people from this forum and some are very solid and loyal men who I am still often in contact with.

I'm looking forward to the next era.
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RE: NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum
(05-25-2019 12:43 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  
(05-25-2019 12:16 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  
(05-25-2019 11:20 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  
(05-25-2019 10:57 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  
(05-25-2019 06:18 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  2) You don’t need to screw them to have some powerful learning experiences. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with going out and practicing your conversation skills at night, and you SHOULD be running multiple relationships at once up until the point you’ve seen enough of one of them to feel that they need to be considered for a potential spouse

Unless you're doing this as part of a marriage arrangement inside of a strict church setting - like Jehovah's Witnesses or Morons or the like - this will just get you friendzoned.

This could be opened up in a new thread, but I think this topic is up for debate. From my experience, you can absolutely game a standard western girl and keep her off the market without having sex with her. How long this can be done for though, I've never tested. I guess it's up for experimentation.

I know that you are trying to play within parameters, but seems like a dumb experiment to NOT escalate. Maybe I am jaded?

In my own experience, this question of "escalate" or "don't escalate" is missing the point.

The point is, WHAT IS YOUR GOAL in escalating? Are you doing this to get qet quick sex? Are you lying to yourself and to her? Or, are you doing it because you are 100% serious about finding a good wife, you are ready to take on the enormous burden of being a father and husband, and that woman it the one you want?

The problem with this forum is, you guys have gone so far over into the "Gaming" side of the equation, it has kind of twisted your view of life. Yeah, I know, it's a response to the nature of society, I don't criticize that, but still you are FAR FAR over to one side. Just come back to the middle a bit and stop theorizing. If you want to find wives, them make the decision that you are going to look for a wife. Forget all this talk and spend some time meditating, or talking to a priest, or whatever, and get your heart and your thoughts clear that you want to get married and what kind of woman will be a good match for you. And what kind of husband you intend to be to her.. Go to church. Go dancing, the old fashioned kind, not the orgy kind. What kind of changes are you going to make in your life to be that kind of man? How are you going to be a man who protects and serves your wife when she is weak and vulnerable carrying your child in her womb? What will you do if you have a child that is handicapped, sick, or injured?

I personally don't believe that it's that huge a deal whether you have sex before marriage or not. I know many have strong beliefs about that, but I don't. When I met my wife, I wanted her heart and soul, I was burning for her. Not just sex. I knew she was the mother of my children. And vice versa. But yeah, the sex was huge because our blood was running for each other and we didn't care whether we had the marriage certificate or not. For me, the first time we slept together was the same as getting married. We had made our decision.

If I remember correctly, the concept of "escalation" developed because guys would take their time with women, only to get blown out of the water when a natural player swooped in and bedded her in one night.

This happened to me in high school and college. Seems amusing now, but was soul-crushing then.

You'd spend all this time getting to know a woman and taking her out on dates, and she'd call you one day and say "You're not gonna believe this, but I went to bed with XXX XXX last night!!!" Or if the girl didn't tell you, you'd hear about it in school and then see the two of them holding hands in the hallway out of the blue. Then you'd have to appear stoic or risk looking like a petty, jealous loser.

Worst story ever: I once had a girl I was casually dating call me and tell me she went to bed with TWO gansta types in a motel on a dare from a friend. I asked her about what she was thinking and she could not offer me any insight beyond her friend saying "I bet you don't have the guts to tag-team them both!"

Once again, game concepts like "escalation" developed in response to degeneracy like this. My parents each have had only one sexual partner: Each other. They met as teens, married, and stayed married.

These days, you rarely find that and game was a way for guys with an old-fashioned mindset to adjust to the new reality...of girls going to bed with two "gangstas" in a motel on a dare.
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RE: NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum
This is what happens when you take magic mushrooms.

Not even joking about that: you get down deep and make a decision about what's been bothering you, then you are no longer able to live with the cognitive dissonance that previously polluted your mind.

Dedicating your life to teaching men how to fornicate obviously deeply conflicts with the sort of morality Roosh has come to see as right. There can only be one.

This forum is about more than chasing notches, but I hope it doesn't die completely due to the perception of too much restriction on the kind of thing that can be posted. (although the rules are listed, but perception matters)

I havent posted much but I've lurked here for years and I've found it to be full of interesting discussion not only about game but about self-improvement and our lives as men. So I hope it continues.

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RE: NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum
(05-25-2019 12:42 PM)Jetset Wrote:  
(05-25-2019 11:40 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  I agree. I think Roosh should have charged for access to the forum. I wouldn't moderate a forum for free that's for sure. Too many guys these days want something for nothing. In fact I'd argue that the fact that internet content is basically free is why we have no privacy and that everyone's data is for sale. If people paid for things like Facebook,Twitter etc we wouldn't have such a level of censorship since people could vote with their checkbook to stop using such services when they became disenchanted with those products. Those companies would be forced to listen to their customers. Everyone wants something for nothing though these days, I experience it in my own business.

Eh.

On one hand, moderation is a lot of work and a pain that often sticks mods in the middle of ugly disputes with little or no appreciation.

On the other hand, you never hear the sentence "I signed up for the amazing moderation".

The reason there are few pay forums is because the user is both the customer and the product. Same with Facebook. The user-generated content is what people come for, and without them, the site is just a husk. Whether this is desirable or not is an entirely different can of worms, but that's where it is.

With that said, yes, some people are totally off-the-wall expecting Roosh to put them first. We can debate the wisdom of the new rules - and are - but it's unambiguously his house we're all partying in and people should disagree graciously.

Tail Gunner Wrote:Be grateful for what you have, instead of blaming others for what you lack.

Counter-point: that sentence would preclude half of the content on the Everything Else/Politics forums, which is going to be the core content after this goes into effect.

Well any business is merely a husk without customers. For any service, the provider of the service encounters expenses to provide the service and as such, if one isn't going to directly charge their customers to cover those expenses and to charge for the time involved in providing the services, you either have to close the business or you have to do find another way to generate income to keep the business viable. Facebook, Google etc do this by violating your privacy and selling your data.

Let's say for argument's sake that Roosh was charging for access to the forum. So now that he has decided to take the forum in a different direction, he has a bunch of irate users. If the users were paying to use the forum, they could express their displeasure by discontinuing the service which would put the whole forum as a business in jeopardy and Roosh would have taken a serious hit. Instead, everyone is lashing out so dramatically because it's the only thing that they can do, they have no other real power to exercise their displeasure. Sure, a lot of people will leave now but that's all they can really do, they can't hurt Roosh financially by leaving. In principle I'm against people expecting services for free for all of these reasons.
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Thank you, Roosh!
Let’s face it, this forum will not be the same after the changes Roosh has announced to be effective from June 1st.

The RVF is going to take a hit for sure. Some rooshites will just leave; being the learning of Game the reason they became members and interact with other members on the subject, they will get little interest in coming back. Others will continue coming to comment on politics, books, business, placing a meet up ad, etc. Some others will come back occasionally to browse the hottest threads just to remember the old good days.

Anyway, making a reflection about the things I learned here in the forum I wanted to thank Roosh for this space. Although I wasn’t a complete neophyte about Game or I didn’t feel the urgent need to learn about it when I first met this place*, I certainly grow as a person by being red pilled here.

For instance, this forum helped me to make a serious commitment with my physical health, something I have always lacked in my life. I am not going to lie, I am not a muscular guy, neither I go to the gym (I got bored in those places); however, I have been taking a military fitness and street fighting class five days a week for some years now, and I am in the best shape of my life. Needless to say, is that this fact has brought more benefits in other aspects of my life. Another side effect of this physical training is that I have developed an ‘I don’t give a shit’ attitude that has helped me in my Game abilities; and all of these positive changes in my life have come as an effect of being a member of this forum.

Although I don’t agree with some of Roosh’s religious and political beliefs; and that I am little sad for the coming changes in this forum, credit where credit is due:

Thank you, Roosh!


*The Game scene in Mexico is not still that bad, although is rapidly deteriorating as a result of American influence.

With God's help, I'll conquer this terrible affliction.

By way of deception, thou shalt game women.

Diaboli virtus in lumbar est -The Devil's virtue is in his loins.
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