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RE: NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum
There is a place to migrate. I can recommend Vintage Erotica forums. It has a fairly sophisticated community, a lot of people discuss complex things, and a bunch of softcore pics on top of that. Not as many philosophers like here, but enough of them. See you there guys.
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I guess this makes my username an abomination. But at least I can finally talk about the time I went to Angeles City where I met a wholesome young lady and took her flower (I took it real good), but not before we fell in love and got married in a 7-Eleven-cum-church.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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RE: NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum
(05-23-2019 02:46 PM)Mariner Wrote:  There is a place to migrate. I can recommend Vintage Erotica forums. It has a fairly sophisticated community, a lot of people discuss complex things, and a bunch of softcore pics on top of that. Not as many philosophers like here, but enough of them. See you there guys.

NSFW lmao.
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Game is a tool, like a gun.

Whether you use it for "good", attracting a woman for marriage and procreation, or "evil", pump & dump, is up to the user.
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RE: NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum
Since I started reading this forum in 2012, I viewed it as one of the few places men were able to speak freely in order to build each other up and become better, whatever that meant to each of us individually. As many here have already said, even if one does ultimately arrive at an Augustinian destination where they renounce a life of sin and debauchery and turn their full devotion to God (or just their loving wife), the journey is still a prerequisite for that arrival.

Imagine, if you will, marrying the first girl you ever had intercourse with. She'd destroy your life. Even with good game, a cool lifestyle, and experience with women, some of them will still fuck up a man's life to the point he considers suicide. I was there myself not so long ago. A girl I thought I would marry, who I moved internationally for and spent who knows how much money on supporting her and taking her traveling while she finished her education, decided one day that, nope - four years of a loving, monogamous relationship aiming toward lifelong marriage and building a family just wasn't exciting enough, so she ditched me to go on a vacation with her single friends and dumped me via text. The kicker: I was not a blind idiot when I met that girl. My notch count was in the dozens, and I'd traveled to over twenty countries and captured almost as many flags. Let me be clear, I blame myself for the failure of that relationship - for not holding frame as well as I should have, for not recognizing warning signs, and for not choosing a better partner. But the point is that it can happen to anyone, even a guy who is prepared for it. In these times, a monogamous relationship with a woman is an uphill fight through razorwire and broken glass, no matter which God or future the two of you center your lives around. The unprepared will never make it.

Maybe in 1885, in some small Midwestern village, it was possible two virgins could get married and their eyes never wander, for man and woman to be perfect loyal compliments. But that is not the situation we live in anymore. Human sexuality was probably always an arms race to a degree, but at this point it definitely is, and we are approaching a singularity moment. Without the proper preparation and tools, the average man is at such a hopeless disadvantage he is totally at the whim of his woman's conscience. That is not a whim I would want to live on.

The whole point of Dante's "Divine Comedy" is that before we can reach Paradise, we must overcome Hell. You need experience with women to understand them, and to navigate the labyrinth that is sexual relationships. That was probably always true to a degree, but in the 21st century as technology has become ubiquitous and social engineering has created a consequence-free existence even for the most repulsive-looking women, it is undeniable. Men need to come to this battle armed or they do not stand a chance.

Roosh, your work has helped millions of men to avoid these pitfalls. I am not anyone's judge, and will always appreciate the help your hard work has given me to learn from the mistakes I made with women in the past. But I see this as a tragic turn of events and will mourn the passing of this place as one where men could freely share notes and help each other pursue our own happiness, purpose, and fulfillment in life. There aren't many of those left.

EDIT: reading back over this, I think I should add that I understand Roosh's reasons for his decision and will of course respect it. The thing I have always admired about Roosh is that he is true to his convictions, so even if I disagree with this change, I will not call it unfair. Festivus came early this year, I'm just airing a (objectively pretty minor) grievance.

"If you're gonna raise a ruckus, one word of advice: if you're gonna do wrong, buddy, do wrong right."
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RE: NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum
(05-23-2019 02:46 PM)Mariner Wrote:  There is a place to migrate. I can recommend Vintage Erotica forums. It has a fairly sophisticated community, a lot of people discuss complex things, and a bunch of softcore pics on top of that. Not as many philosophers like here, but enough of them. See you there guys.

>visit site
>see a thread where guys are having masturbation games with eachother

Good call.
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Big change!

Some valid concerns have been raised, mainly that 1. this is censorship and that 2. degeneracy serves to red pill men and ultimately led us all to the empowered place where we find ourselves now. As for censorship... if you consider yourself right-wing or conservative, you may have to admit that obscenity has never been considered free speech. In fact, it has always been illegal... until certain you-know-who subversive forces were able to flex their influence in the West.

As for the red pilling effect of a 3 figure notch count... how much experience does a man really need to be able to properly handle women? I didn't get anywhere with girls in high school, but then met a mentor who red pilled me on girls, and on what women do and do not respond to. I had my first LTR in junior college and I had her in check without issue. I think conceptually understanding women is enough... no degeneracy required. Trad men 100 years ago controlled women just fine... more so, in fact.

I don't hold all the same views as Roosh and I don't go to church, but I do sometimes wonder if my silly high notch count did me more harm than good. If I'm honest with myself, the answer is probably yes. And I believe E. Michael Jones has a point when he says religious faith is the only thing that can really protect a society from social engineering. Hedonism and debauchery are fun... but nobody can make a serious case that they aren't harmful to a society.

In any case, this is Roosh's house and it is his decision. This board is not a de-facto monopoly or public square / utility like Facebook and Twitter are. Interesting development, and certainly no reason to stop following or stop posting.

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Sad to see guys mocking roosh for his beliefs just because many of you are sick. Roosh...god is on your side, and those who aspire to be righteous on your side. Thats all that matters.
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I admit, I'm not sure how serious to take this. But if it is serious, you have my support.

I'd ask only that no posts be deleted and access to all the information stay.

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Though I've been following your gradual change from the first podcast you aired I must admit that this move caught me off guard. Not because it seems illogical given your current stances and beliefs but because it happened so quickly and with a bold strike.

Kudos, for this is what leaders do.

I’ve been reading up on a lot of mythology as of late, especially as they are connected to our conscious and unconscious archetypes as explained per Jung (the King, Magician, Warrior and Lover) and I agree with your decision upon the direction this forum will now take... to a certain extent.

You yourself found virtue through sin, you were not the first and you will certainly not be the last. Many of our saints were once sinners too. Should they be therefore condemned to eternal damnation? I disagree.

Different types of men find their salvation on different paths. E. Michael Jones faced his temptations and tribulations, you did yours and I do mine.

What I wish to say is this – and I will 100% support you, even if I will not 100% agree with you – that perchance you would create a separate space where those ideas could be discussed, such as we already have our Private Lounge.

You probably thought about this already, but still, these are my thoughts on these matters.

Where is Order, there is Chaos.
Where is Good, there is Evil.
Where saints tread, sinners do too.
Beautiful light always casts a dark shadow.
In the Garden of Eden a snake laid in wait to entangle mortals in sin.
You cannot have one without the other.

Only God is perfect, but we are not Gods. We are Men, made in the image of God, trying to follow his teachings. And undoubtedly we will fail, many times and in different ways, for which we will have to endure just punishment. And be forgiven. Because God is Wrath and Love at the same time, and he Loves all of his children. As flawed as they may be. As do you – and I know you won’t forget those who are still walking amidst the darkness, desperately trying to find a way out, like you did.

They need you and you need them.

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Thanks to you, all of you.

Romans 8:31 - 'What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?'

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RE: NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum
I support this 100%. Non Christians will not be able to understand because a decision like this is not made by the rational mind but by the spirit.

If Roosh was going to delete old threads I would object. But seems they will be locked and still available to read.
That's one reason I know Roosh is serious because he is leaving himself open for ridicule by the "you're a fraud, look what you said" crowd.

This will steer men towards more healthy relationships with women because the evidence is here that the perpetual player lifestyle doesn't end in happiness.

I saw this coming years ago and now have the answer to my 2015 thread "If Roosh bangs 500 girls" https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-47846.html
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I see no problem with your policy change.

You gave your reasons, and no one is being held captive here.

Of course, some people can't help but criticize you. But then again they didn't build this successful forum you're allowing everyone to use for free - did they?

Do what you feel convicted is the right thing, Roosh. And never look back. Because you and you alone have to live with your own conscience and convictions.
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Comes to forum through Bang and Day Bang. Now banging is bad and should get memory holed?

Does not compute.

Shouldn’t Roosh start an Amish type forum and just let this one continue?

He could see how popular that idea is on its own merit.
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(05-23-2019 03:03 PM)ball dont lie Wrote:  Comes to forum through Bang and Day Bang. Now banging is bad and should get memory holed?

Does not compute.

Shouldn’t Roosh start an Amish type forum and just let this one continue?

He could see how popular that idea is on its own merit.

The idea is to not promote anything outside of biblically strict sex and relationships, in accordance with his current beliefs. He's not letting this forum continue as is.

If Roosh kills us all I'm sure one of us will build our own anyway. Free speech doesn't die until absolutely everyone's tongue is gone.

If he's genuinely serious he should permanently delete over 90% of the threads on RVF, posts on rooshv.com, articles on ROK, and videos on YouTube, and take down most of his books as well. All or nothing. If you go through with this idea but not the above, your decision becomes meaningless.
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The forum, especially the travel section, for me is a better version of the lonely planet. Reading highly detailed data sheets
about exotic places and comments from various other men to verify the data is just invaluable. There is no other resource like this on the internet.
Furthermore, it's always nice to meet some fellow forum members in a foreign country and getting a warm welcome. Some of them turn into lasting
friendships.

With this changes coming, I don't see the travel section working anymore. Would be a real shame to loose this.

I'm going to be honest, if this change is truly coming I don't see myself to continue here. There are better and more specialised places to discuss cryptocurrencies, weight lifting or politics.
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I support Roosh and will stick around like I have been over the years. Although, part of me hates to see the old things going away.

A lot of people have mentioned that losing this place where men can talk about women and game is a shame. I'm actually still conflicted about it because if I had never engaged in the circus of western degeneracy I don't know where I would be today. Learning game and using it for my own pleasure absolutely played a part in my development as a man. No question that I benefited from being here and partaking in all this. However, as I have turned to god I see that doesn't exactly make it right.

The biggest shame to me is that religion has been so closely associated with limp dicked betas to the point where some people think the forum is going to devolve into some PC outlet for cucks and squares.

I refuse to believe that god's will was for men to devolve into uninteresting beta fags that have no hope of ever getting a woman's panties wet. Our society has just done a good job of making that the current state of things.

Seems like this is the perfect opportunity for Roosh to develop an alternative path for men once again.
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real shame, wish he sold it instead or let someone else run it

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This is your road to Damascus moment.
As such, once God has called for you and you have accepted, God will not let you go.
You must follow God's will and trust the path he has laid out for you.
From here, your journey and personal relationship with God begins, and I wish you well on your journey.
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So will Roosh stop selling all his old game material then and live off the proceeds of his all sex outside marriage is bad philosophy. Or is that OK still?
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Not happy at all about these rule changes. (Hear me out)

Clearly this is selfish thinking on my part and I fully admit it but I'm going to keep things real.

I'll simply say this about the Roosh's changes - ya'll have to remember this dude has been through ALOT of shit.

From the media demonizing him, being detained, threatened (his family also), and having to watch his sister die in one of the worst ways possible.


None of us know what's going through his head.

When Roosh took the white pill earlier, it was only natural it was going to affect the forum sooner or later.

Embracing a religion in a time of need or when something traumatic happens isn't my bag, but neither is religion since it has it own hypocrisy and faults.

Religion can do some amazing and terrible things to a person.

This is a spiritual journey and a leap of faith, compared to logical step.

As long as it isn't pushed on others, I'm cool with that, unfortunately the new rules are going to do this along with censoring the conversation.

I understand this is a private forum, I'll respect that decision to change.

However this forum was much "ours" as well with fantastic posters and their amazing goldmine posts.

In this case you might as well start a new forum with a clean slate, just like you would when finding god and salvation. (Whorehouse into a church example)




One of my favorite things to do on this forum is help fellow men be able to do good with women.

It didn't matter if it was a ONS, plate, GF, fiance, or wife.

Men deserve to be in the know, be aware, and how to handle themselves in any given situations, not just relationships.

To not have this forum as a tool, is handicapping the good men who just want to find a good woman.

I love giving back so much because this forum helped me so much when I found it in 2013 after I dumped a girl that I was in a one sided relationship with.

I have to side with the men arguing that in this day and age, if you don't know how to deal with women outside of marriage, your marriage is fucked from Day 1.

Restricting the conversation to only marriage or an LTR isn't going to do men a favor by putting the cart before the horse.

It also goes against male human biology to not want fuck multiple women and sow your seed. (Not advising you blast in very single girl).

The dudes on here "shaming" players are morons, there's plenty of guys out there happy and single. It's not a life of degeneracy.

Don't play that holier than thou bullshit.

If you're not happy, that's your OWN damn fault for not building a life that makes YOU happy, PERIOD.

Doesn't matter what your age is.

Don't be mad because you didn't get your shit together and a girl didn't touch your pee pee.

I must be the old blood on here, ironically I've been working on my career and body, I've made great strides in both.

I've dropped some plates, I haven't been on dates or new notches in the last few months, because pussy is pussy.

I've actually taken an interested, well maybe a daydream about locking down a legit woman - but I'm working on myself first - priorities.

Then again, there's nothing llike chasing down new pussy and meeting new and exciting women.




Unfortunately with these changes I predict there will be an exodus of members from the forum and/or less posting with the new rules.

For the ones who leave, I suggest you archive your work or posts that are you commandments, get other forum members contact info, make your own tribes, etc.

I've met alot of great men on here, some I'd call close friends and we continue to have meet ups regardless of what changes on here.

What I do urge you guys to remember is there's guys that were just like us who are looking for help to better themselves and better themselves with women.

Now more than ever they NEED a forum like us.


I just hope we aren't going to start deleting thousands of posts that contained gold from valued members.

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(05-23-2019 03:16 PM)ball dont lie Wrote:  So will Roosh stop selling all his old game material then and live off the proceeds of his all sex outside marriage is bad philosophy. Or is that OK still?

(05-23-2019 12:04 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
(05-23-2019 11:43 AM)Shinebox Wrote:  Are you deleting all your blog posts and having a bonfire with your old books? As you wish, but this forum (as constructed) is finished.

I may delete blog posts. I have taken 11 books out of print so far.

https://www.rooshvstore.com/out-of-print/

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Also not sure why you'd do a bait-and-switch before your tour.

The fuck is that about?
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05-23-2019 03:22 PM
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The forum might change but women certainly won't be changing.
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RE: NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum
(05-23-2019 12:04 PM)alchemical Wrote:  Everything is coming full circle. And Roosh/RVF is at the forefront.

You saw it here first. "2019 is when it all started..."

My feeling as well. I’ve been around since Roosh created Return of Kings and wrote about the coming culture wars, SJWs, the global smartphone addiction etc. He was a good few years ahead on many major ”trends” and areas.

Will not be surprised if more and more atomized people in global urban hotspots silently start disconnecting from our modern sterile culture, in order to find a deeper meaning... Just like Roosh have. A person can extract only so much value from soy lattes, feminist vegan restaurants and the latest Tinder clone.

I agree with the posters who say this change is a bit heavy-handed. On the other hand, there have been signs lately, and I’m excited to see this new direction.
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D you recommend any travel forum with info like the one that is shared in here ?
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