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(05-31-2019 09:02 AM)Mage Wrote:  ...don't act like you're wining the intellectual battle when someone refuses to waste his time engaging you.

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You are losing your temper here.

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You provide no arguments, only insults. Do you feel threatened?

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A member of Church preaching Obedience to Church. How surprising.

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Again nothing but insults from your part, no arguments. You exit the stage with head raised up in empty vanity to not display vulnerability in your arguments.

Spare us the crappy passive aggressive snide argumentation.

Your whole ideology (can't call it faith) is based on "as above so below" wizardry and deception, that's your actual handle and avatar.

Stop clogging this thread with your theological arguments, this is an important thread and they don't belong here.

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(05-31-2019 03:00 AM)Mage Wrote:  Now answer the truly hard question about fate of unborn children.

The Catholic monk Aurelius Moner said retards and infants don't go to heaven, they go to some type of limbo where they're in eternal bliss ( happiness). However they don't get to see God because they never cognitively chose between good and evil. He also said slavery is OKAY under certain conditions lol.

Sounded really fucked up to me but that's what he said. He wrote 4 articles plus an interview with Quintus Curtius, if you read through the extensive comments you will see where I asked him all this and more and he answered. He has an account here, handle is Byzantium. You can read his few posts here, look up his user. He basically quit the internet to train to be a priest, that was a couple years ago now.
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Amusing headline out of the Washington Post: A notorious pickup artist found God. Lots of angry white radicals do.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/a...c97c7efee9

Note the projection: it's the atheists who tend to be most angry (from being in rebellion) and radical (pushing every inversion under the sun). The anger is shown by forum member Disco above who used his 1-week suspension to plot how he can immediately lash out upon returning.

Quote:One of the Internet’s best-known “men’s rights activists” — a onetime pickup artist infamous for slamming feminism, championing “neomasculinity” and publishing articles with titles like “5 reasons to date a girl with an eating disorder” — just announced that he’s now a committed Christian. As of this weekend, Barack Obama, better known as Roosh V, has banned all talk of what he now calls “fornication,” and even profanity, from his forums lest, he says, he lead readers “into sin.” Until now, Roosh V’s freewheeling forums had encouraged would-be pickup artists to trade tips about psychologically manipulating women into casual sex.
At first glance, this seems like a stunning reversal: One of the most influential denizens of the “manosphere” — the subculture of online anti-feminist activists that, for a growing number of readers, doubles as a gateway to the far right — saw the error of his ways and chose a different path. He certainly had cause for self-examination. Masculinist discussion groups dead set against “PC culture” have increasingly become recruiting grounds for more extreme groups, including those advocating real-world violence or celebrating “revolutionary” acts of right-wing terrorism. At its worst, the manosphere can itself turn violent: In 2014, Elliot Rodger, an angry and frustrated consumer of such content, killed six people in Isla Vista, Calif., during a self-proclaimed “revenge” rampage against all the women who refused to sleep with him. (Rodgers has become a folk hero in some dark corners of the Web and was cited as an inspiration by the man who is accused of killing 10 people with a van in Toronto in 2018.)
But Roosh V characterized his transformation from pickup artist — one with a loose definition of consent that led some to call him “pro-rape” — to Armenian Apostolic Orthodox Christian not as an about-face but as a linear progression. In fact, it’s representative of a broader trend within far-right Internet-based groups: Some of their members come to embrace a highly conservative, traditionalist version of Christianity as a bulwark against what they see as the decadent, liberal modern world. In the minds of many would-be Internet transgressives, conservative Christianity has become the biggest troll of all.

The conversion of Roosh V highlights another, even more vital, truth about the anti-feminist and alt-right movements: They already function as quasi-religions. These movements gain adherents precisely because they tap into young men’s existential hunger for the kind of things that also underpin religious observance: a narrative of meaningfulness in the world, a sense of purpose within that narrative, a community to share that narrative with, and rituals to both demonstrate and intensify commitment to that narrative (yes, posting memes on Twitter counts).
Roosh V’s conversion story makes clear the continuity of his views, even as they evolved. First, he wrote, a disaffected person in the modern world takes the metaphorical “red pill” — meaning they wake up to the “reality” that “social justice warriors” and feminists control society. The next step is the “black pill,” the nihilistic worldview that many men’s rights activists and alt-right adherents adopt in response to that revelation. But at the end of the road, Roosh V told his readers, there’s the “God pill”: “submission to God’s will.”
Roosh V says he had his epiphany while tripping on psychedelic mushrooms. Whatever provides the final push, many on the alt-right follow a similar path to the rhetoric of religion. One increasingly popular catchphrase on 4Chan and its far-right successor, 8Chan, is “Deus Vult,” or “God wills it,” a reference to Pope Urban II’s call to begin the First Crusade — typically invoked to bolster anti-immigrant or anti-Islamic sentiment. The red cross of the Medieval Knights Templar has become a prevalent symbol at right-wing gatherings , including the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville. And then there’s Steve Bannon, among the most politically influential alt-right thinkers, who since leaving the White House has been working to found, via a local proxy, a reactionary Catholic-affiliated “gladiator school for culture warriors” in a monastery outside Rome (over Vatican objections).

Alt-right “Christianity” of this sort is not a theology so much as a reactionary shibboleth: a way to condemn not only Islam but such societal “degeneracy” (a favorite Roosh V term) as feminism and political correctness. Even before he announced his conversion, Roosh V wrote that we “are now stuck with a clown country where we suffer daily humiliations and degradations at the hands of sodomites, man-jawed feminists, pedophiles, cuckolds, and aliens” — and proposed, as a partial solution, the establishment of Orthodox Christianity as the official state religion.
Some of the most radical and deadly far-right extremists, themselves steeped in Internet culture, have also adopted Christian rhetoric. Before John T. Earnest allegedly killed one worshiper and injured three others at a synagogue in Poway, Calif., in April, he posted a manifesto that claimed explicitly Christian motivations, calling upon “my brothers in Christ of all races” and members of a far-right 4Chan group to join him in killing Jews, in order to herald a reactionary “revolution.” Echoing centuries’ worth of reactionary, anti-Semitic tracts, Earnest’s manifesto treated Christianity as a link to a mythic, idealized past, while characterizing Judaism as the cause of cultural, sexual and moral decay.
Roosh V, for his part, also seems to be using his newfound Christianity not to call for neighborly love but to advocate for a war on modern culture. Since his announcement, he’s posted an article titled “Modern Life Is Aids” (illustrated with a photo of an LGBT pride parade), in which he criticizes the “cultural HIV” of contemporary existence. To counter this cultural disease, people should choose “God over the glorification of themselves,” he writes. That’s not the voice of someone who has turned his back on reactionary radicalism.

Atavism — the obsession with looking backward to an imagined “primal” past — is a common characteristic of online reactionaries. From the “paleo” diets ubiquitous in the men’s rights world, to the “gorilla mindset” embraced by alt-lite conspiracy theorist and self-help guru Michael Cernovich, to alt-right Twitter icon Bronze Age Pervert’s obsession with power weightlifting, practices and rituals associated with an imagined, pre-modern past have long suffused the Internet right. The manosphere and the alt-right use references to Christianity in a similar way — as shorthand for a supposedly purer time.
The lines between “religion” and these online ideologies grow blurrier by the day. By buying into the red and black pill narrative, disaffected and lonely young men have access to a seductive explanation of how the world works, alongside a reassuring etiology of their own failure to launch. No less importantly, they also have a group of like-minded 4Chan or Reddit friends, eager to reinforce that narrative. Whether it uses the imagery of Medieval Christianity or of the cult of “Kek” — an ironic 4Chan meme-religion that worships alt-right symbol Pepe the Frog as an amphibian chaos god — the Internet right is itself a cult.
Roosh V’s pivot to Christianity might stop him from posting explicitly about premarital sex. But it’s unlikely to change his or his followers’ fundamental ideology: a “revolt against the modern world,” this time dressed in Christian garb. The red pill and the God pill aren’t so different, after all.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/a...c97c7efee9

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My bank account has a balance through honest labor. Yours has a balance through sin.

Needing to be "practical" apparently trumps sin and rebellion when you decide. This is how churches behave, that's my point. They take angles and advantages when they can yet want to dictate others can't in various areas of life.
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(05-31-2019 09:22 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  How much of our autistic nit-picking about Christian orthodoxy is driven by the pursuit of truth and how much of it is driven by a desperate flight from having ourselves held to any objective standard of moral behaviour?

There are problems with either seeking the objective standard, if it exists, and perhaps attempting to impose those purportedly "found" standards in a forum in which adult men have traditionally used for the purpose of discussing intimate aspects of their relationships with women.... perhaps even such intimate aspects of their relationships that they had not felt comfortable discussing with their real life acquaintances.... which results in a vast variety of circumstances that might be difficult to apply to supposed objective standards - probably harder to apply to conclusions that some other guy may have reached about what is the purported objective moral standard - again lots of presumptions about the degree of the existence of such moral standard(s) and how specific such moral standards would apply or be violated in the circumstances of the behaviors (including speech about behaviors and intentions) of guys.

Sometimes I might appreciate the moral conclusions of another guy, but since I am adult who has been living an adult life for some time, including the fact that I believe that I am sufficiently reflective of moral decisions that I make and the fact that sometimes my moral decisions vary from others, I am going to get quite perturbed if another guy imposes (or attempts to impose) his findings of morality on me - especially if I differ in opinion and I believe that I am being excessively restricted by such impositions (whether it is my actions or my speech).
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(05-31-2019 10:59 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Amusing headline out of the Washington Post: A notorious pickup artist found God. Lots of angry white radicals do.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/a...c97c7efee9

Note the projection: it's the atheists who tend to be most angry (from being in rebellion) and radical (pushing every inversion under the sun). The anger is shown by forum member Disco above who used his 1-week suspension to plot how he can immediately lash out upon returning.

Quote:One of the Internet’s best-known “men’s rights activists” — a onetime pickup artist infamous for slamming feminism, championing “neomasculinity” and publishing articles with titles like “5 reasons to date a girl with an eating disorder” — just announced that he’s now a committed Christian. As of this weekend, Barack Obama, better known as Roosh V, has banned all talk of what he now calls “fornication,” and even profanity, from his forums lest, he says, he lead readers “into sin.” Until now, Roosh V’s freewheeling forums had encouraged would-be pickup artists to trade tips about psychologically manipulating women into casual sex.
At first glance, this seems like a stunning reversal: One of the most influential denizens of the “manosphere” — the subculture of online anti-feminist activists that, for a growing number of readers, doubles as a gateway to the far right — saw the error of his ways and chose a different path. He certainly had cause for self-examination. Masculinist discussion groups dead set against “PC culture” have increasingly become recruiting grounds for more extreme groups, including those advocating real-world violence or celebrating “revolutionary” acts of right-wing terrorism. At its worst, the manosphere can itself turn violent: In 2014, Elliot Rodger, an angry and frustrated consumer of such content, killed six people in Isla Vista, Calif., during a self-proclaimed “revenge” rampage against all the women who refused to sleep with him. (Rodgers has become a folk hero in some dark corners of the Web and was cited as an inspiration by the man who is accused of killing 10 people with a van in Toronto in 2018.)
But Roosh V characterized his transformation from pickup artist — one with a loose definition of consent that led some to call him “pro-rape” — to Armenian Apostolic Orthodox Christian not as an about-face but as a linear progression. In fact, it’s representative of a broader trend within far-right Internet-based groups: Some of their members come to embrace a highly conservative, traditionalist version of Christianity as a bulwark against what they see as the decadent, liberal modern world. In the minds of many would-be Internet transgressives, conservative Christianity has become the biggest troll of all.

The conversion of Roosh V highlights another, even more vital, truth about the anti-feminist and alt-right movements: They already function as quasi-religions. These movements gain adherents precisely because they tap into young men’s existential hunger for the kind of things that also underpin religious observance: a narrative of meaningfulness in the world, a sense of purpose within that narrative, a community to share that narrative with, and rituals to both demonstrate and intensify commitment to that narrative (yes, posting memes on Twitter counts).
Roosh V’s conversion story makes clear the continuity of his views, even as they evolved. First, he wrote, a disaffected person in the modern world takes the metaphorical “red pill” — meaning they wake up to the “reality” that “social justice warriors” and feminists control society. The next step is the “black pill,” the nihilistic worldview that many men’s rights activists and alt-right adherents adopt in response to that revelation. But at the end of the road, Roosh V told his readers, there’s the “God pill”: “submission to God’s will.”
Roosh V says he had his epiphany while tripping on psychedelic mushrooms. Whatever provides the final push, many on the alt-right follow a similar path to the rhetoric of religion. One increasingly popular catchphrase on 4Chan and its far-right successor, 8Chan, is “Deus Vult,” or “God wills it,” a reference to Pope Urban II’s call to begin the First Crusade — typically invoked to bolster anti-immigrant or anti-Islamic sentiment. The red cross of the Medieval Knights Templar has become a prevalent symbol at right-wing gatherings , including the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville. And then there’s Steve Bannon, among the most politically influential alt-right thinkers, who since leaving the White House has been working to found, via a local proxy, a reactionary Catholic-affiliated “gladiator school for culture warriors” in a monastery outside Rome (over Vatican objections).

Alt-right “Christianity” of this sort is not a theology so much as a reactionary shibboleth: a way to condemn not only Islam but such societal “degeneracy” (a favorite Roosh V term) as feminism and political correctness. Even before he announced his conversion, Roosh V wrote that we “are now stuck with a clown country where we suffer daily humiliations and degradations at the hands of sodomites, man-jawed feminists, pedophiles, cuckolds, and aliens” — and proposed, as a partial solution, the establishment of Orthodox Christianity as the official state religion.
Some of the most radical and deadly far-right extremists, themselves steeped in Internet culture, have also adopted Christian rhetoric. Before John T. Earnest allegedly killed one worshiper and injured three others at a synagogue in Poway, Calif., in April, he posted a manifesto that claimed explicitly Christian motivations, calling upon “my brothers in Christ of all races” and members of a far-right 4Chan group to join him in killing Jews, in order to herald a reactionary “revolution.” Echoing centuries’ worth of reactionary, anti-Semitic tracts, Earnest’s manifesto treated Christianity as a link to a mythic, idealized past, while characterizing Judaism as the cause of cultural, sexual and moral decay.
Roosh V, for his part, also seems to be using his newfound Christianity not to call for neighborly love but to advocate for a war on modern culture. Since his announcement, he’s posted an article titled “Modern Life Is Aids” (illustrated with a photo of an LGBT pride parade), in which he criticizes the “cultural HIV” of contemporary existence. To counter this cultural disease, people should choose “God over the glorification of themselves,” he writes. That’s not the voice of someone who has turned his back on reactionary radicalism.

Atavism — the obsession with looking backward to an imagined “primal” past — is a common characteristic of online reactionaries. From the “paleo” diets ubiquitous in the men’s rights world, to the “gorilla mindset” embraced by alt-lite conspiracy theorist and self-help guru Michael Cernovich, to alt-right Twitter icon Bronze Age Pervert’s obsession with power weightlifting, practices and rituals associated with an imagined, pre-modern past have long suffused the Internet right. The manosphere and the alt-right use references to Christianity in a similar way — as shorthand for a supposedly purer time.
The lines between “religion” and these online ideologies grow blurrier by the day. By buying into the red and black pill narrative, disaffected and lonely young men have access to a seductive explanation of how the world works, alongside a reassuring etiology of their own failure to launch. No less importantly, they also have a group of like-minded 4Chan or Reddit friends, eager to reinforce that narrative. Whether it uses the imagery of Medieval Christianity or of the cult of “Kek” — an ironic 4Chan meme-religion that worships alt-right symbol Pepe the Frog as an amphibian chaos god — the Internet right is itself a cult.
Roosh V’s pivot to Christianity might stop him from posting explicitly about premarital sex. But it’s unlikely to change his or his followers’ fundamental ideology: a “revolt against the modern world,” this time dressed in Christian garb. The red pill and the God pill aren’t so different, after all.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/a...c97c7efee9

What a load of hot gas.

Are you tired of being called a MRA yet?

Why do they even pretend to have something to say when they obviously don't?

Someone should introduce this girl to memes.


It would have saved everyone a lot of wasted energy.

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Guys, this is amazing. I have uncovered ACTUAL footage of Roosh being confronted by journalists in the wild about his turn to faith!




"If you're gonna raise a ruckus, one word of advice: if you're gonna do wrong, buddy, do wrong right."
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Damn roosh I was just about to buy that package of 5 you had this week. New to the forum.....

Anybody want to sell me a copy of their book lol?
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The new rules take effect tomorrow. When it comes to sexual activity beyond basic kissing or touching, keep it vague enough so that there is a lack of certainty on whether you fornicated or not. Use phrases like these:

"We fooled/messed around."
"There was intimacy."
"There was sensual touching."
"She fulfilled my desires."
"We shared the same matrimonial bed."
"We went on a date and then yada yada yada."

One way to look at it is to bring the language down from an R rating to PG-13, without outright promotion or glorification of R-rated activities.

I will also start enforcing existing NSFW rules, even in thread titles that are labeled NSFW. Instead of embedding nudity and other pornographic images, link to them instead with a NSFW tag. If a game or image thread can't be redeemed, I will lock it. In the case of an image thread, you can open a new one without NSFW images. I estimate these changes will impact less than 15% of the forum's content.

I will be lenient with the new rules over the upcoming months, except for those who whined in this thread, since I know that they know what the rules are and are breaking it to spite me or the forum. I will also not be lenient with those under 100 posts, who were the far majority of users banned in the past week.

Lastly, I give thanks to all who are adopting a patient and understanding approach to the new rules. Once I start sharing new writing about my personal changes (which may take a while because of my upcoming tour), and also how to address life problems from that new perspective, I believe you will get far more value from me than before.

(If you have further questions or comments about the rules, use the rules thread that is stickied in this forum.)

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