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I get it, Roosh has been through a lot, so i can cut him some slack. He's just one man taking in all the abuse the world threw at him and its taking a toll.

I however disagree with the whole getting married to have sex. Its a fool's game to play. It's a lose lose situation for men, typical bread winner, and a win win situation for women. I stated it before and I'll state it again...

Do not make this decision based on emotion... because you are going to find out real soon how she ends it with emotion when she's "no longer happy". No Fault divorce is a joke. But I get it, she says she wouldn't do it to you, because she loves you. You and your girls love is like no other. And us other guys just haven't found the right one yet.

I can't see how Red Pill men can even entertain this idea. To me it's an insanity proposition. No one seems to understand Family Law until they have to go through the court system. The system doesn't care how you fell out of love, it's just pay up chump.

Now the careless sex part, i agree with him on that note. Its much better to do the act with someone you actually care about. Its ok to have a life partner, just don't marry her.
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(06-24-2019 10:18 AM)SilentOne Wrote:  I get it, Roosh has been through a lot, so i can cut him some slack. He's just one man taking in all the abuse the world threw at him and its taking a toll.

I however disagree with the whole getting married to have sex. Its a fool's game to play. It's a lose lose situation for men, typical bread winner, and a win win situation for women. I stated it before and I'll state it again...

Do not make this decision based on emotion... because you are going to find out real soon how she ends it with emotion when she's "no longer happy". No Fault divorce is a joke. But I get it, she says she wouldn't do it to you, because she loves you. You and your girls love is like no other. And us other guys just haven't found the right one yet.

I can't see how Red Pill men can even entertain this idea. To me it's an insanity proposition. No one seems to understand Family Law until they have to go through the court system. The system doesn't care how you fell out of love, it's just pay up chump.

Now the careless sex part, i agree with him on that note. Its much better to do the act with someone you actually care about. Its ok to have a life partner, just don't marry her.
Marriage only makes sense with God in the equation. And chemistry / affection / lust of the flesh cannot play any role in this decision. Marriages have to be arranged by the parents, so they last.
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Just because the parents arrange the marriage means absolutely nothing. Getting married today is just living on hope. When either party can break this contract simply for not being happy, what's the point?

There's no punishment to her whatsoever. In fact she is rewarded. She's being encouraged to drop you.

Now if you just want to marry under God, go right ahead. But we all know she wants the "real" thing recognized by the State. You can heed my advice or learn the hard way. The choice is yours to make.
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(06-25-2019 02:59 AM)SilentOne Wrote:  Just because the parents arrange the marriage means absolutely nothing. Getting married today is just living on hope. When either party can break this contract simply for not being happy, what's the point?

There's no punishment to her whatsoever. In fact she is rewarded. She's being encouraged to drop you.

Now if you just want to marry under God, go right ahead. But we all know she wants the "real" thing recognized by the State. You can heed my advice or learn the hard way. The choice is yours to make.

The whole misunderstanding is that marriage is not about "being happy". It's a bond to raise children. That's the reason why in non-degenerate parts of the worlds families arrange marriages to ensure heritage lives on. Guess what: The spouses have not much to say in that process, and the tribe keeps the pressure on them.

The Western image of marriage is completely warped beyond repair and that already happened during the 19th century - the Romantic era. Around that time the idea of people being "meant for each other" by experiencing some ephemeral feelings came up again, and got intermingled with the job contract, that is marriage. And now we find out that is not a viable way to sustain a civilization.

Marrying under God means marrying under the state law, because the authorities have been established by God (Romans 13:1). You need a lot of faith as a Christian.
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RE: I think eventually we will all become like Roosh
What I like about this forum is the amount of different perspectives from red-pilled men, specially the ones with more experience.

When I see a thread title like this, it looks like (with all due respect) an ass-kissing one.

No one is perfect nor an Swiss-army knife. Absorb ideas and concepts from people you admire but don’t try to “copy” them. Adapt those to your style. Imagine if we all decide to grow our beards, wear a bee shirt and adopt a pug.

Have your own style and worry less about what other people are doing.
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You are correct "in non-degenerate parts of the worlds families arrange marriages to ensure heritage lives on".

The thing is you aren't marrying the parents. You are marrying her and with today rules she has the right to leave you at anytime without the parents approval. She doesn't need the parents cushion when she can take half your wealth at will.

If you want to play this game, at least check out your State divorce laws so you aren't completely shocked about what the system has planned for you. Although I don't think any sane man would go through with it after checking out the law books. Marriage rates are plummeting, so thankfully some guys are waking up.

All you other guys still believing in this Marriage, good luck.
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(06-25-2019 08:56 AM)SilentOne Wrote:  You are correct "in non-degenerate parts of the worlds families arrange marriages to ensure heritage lives on".

The thing is you aren't marrying the parents. You are marrying her and with today rules she has the right to leave you at anytime without the parents approval. She doesn't need the parents cushion when she can take half your wealth at will.

If you want to play this game, at least check out your State divorce laws so you aren't completely shocked about what the system has planned for you. Although I don't think any sane man would go through with it after checking out the law books. Marriage rates are plummeting, so thankfully some guys are waking up.

All you other guys still believing in this Marriage, good luck.

You are not marrying parents, you are not marrying a spouse, you are marrying a whole family. That's why civil marriage based on feelings doesn't make any sense at all.

A real marriage vow ist between you and God with the goal of creating offspring. A purely secular view on marriage and divorce laws doesn't make any sense.
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Look you're pro marriage and thats fine. But don't go making stuff up and confusing men that are reading this. You do not marry the family, just her. The state contract is between you, her, and the State. Thats it! That's the Law.

You can come up with up many with ways on how a real marriage should go, wishful thinking, but that's not how it goes. You can use God all you want to, the state doesn't care. When she wants out, it's game over.
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(06-25-2019 11:27 AM)SilentOne Wrote:  Look you're pro marriage and thats fine. But don't go making stuff up and confusing men that are reading this. You do not marry the family, just her. The state contract is between you, her, and the State. Thats it! That's the Law.

You can come up with up many with ways on how a real marriage should go, wishful thinking, but that's not how it goes. You can use God all you want to, the state doesn't care. When she wants out, it's game over.

I'm unmarried and I know about certain U.S. laws. But marriage is a thing around all cultures, it's global, it's divine. Dying out civilizations with warped laws don't define what marriage is, they simply die off after separating from God.
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RE: I think eventually we will all become like Roosh
It's not about whether we will become like Roosh. It's about whether we should!

I think the change he is making is significant, and I think most of us should take a long hard look at ourselves and consider whether it's time to do the same. It doesn't have to be a religious thing. Perhaps that just means having a deep and meaningful relationship with a woman, perhaps something else. I'm sure it's a bit different for everyone.
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(06-25-2019 11:27 AM)SilentOne Wrote:  Look you're pro marriage and thats fine. But don't go making stuff up and confusing men that are reading this. You do not marry the family, just her. The state contract is between you, her, and the State. Thats it! That's the Law.

You can come up with up many with ways on how a real marriage should go, wishful thinking, but that's not how it goes. You can use God all you want to, the state doesn't care. When she wants out, it's game over.

SilentOne articulated this perfectly. Men's desire to have a blissful marriage and family is often just that; wishful thinking and nothing more. The fantasy of marriage quite often plays out to be a nightmare for men because men and women operate very differently in their long term thinking and how they view upholding promises.

Marriage vows mean absolutely nothing. They are NOT legally binding. They are covenants carried over from colonial times and routed in religion. A woman has zero obligation to uphold marriage vows:

"To have and to hold, from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, until death do us part."

On a whim a woman can snap her fingers, change her mind and divorce you for ANY reason or NO reason at all. This is very very real and happens daily. I have seen older men in my family and guys that I work with have the majority of their retirement cleaned out because wifey was going through some mid-life thing and let her emotions get the best of her.

I took the time to meet with two family law attorneys in California for free consultations. They gave me an overview of how a divorce generally plays out, the financial costs and they basically laid out all of the major land minds and pitfalls your subjected to by signing a marriage license.

Conclusion: The power you are transferring to a woman by marrying her and siring her children is absolutely staggering. Its the most legally significant thing you will ever do and I can assure you the woman you marry will not be the woman that is divorcing you. Whip
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Its very telling to me how many people in this thread are conflating "game" with casual sex. Theyve never had causal sex or been in an LTR. Most likely neither

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RE: I think eventually we will all become like Roosh
I don't agree with the direction. Like many others. The reasoning for the move by Roosh makes sense for sure, though.

However, when I'm out living a player lifestyle I always have an eye for a 'good girl' to start a family. So far it's hard. Some have this part that I like but that part I don't. It's very hard to choose. As well being good at game you see female nature and from my current understanding it's largely opportunistic and they don't really care or love us the way we want to be cared and loved for.

Further, I don't believe the player lifestyle is bad morally. It's amoral it depends on how you use it. Through this lifestyle I've met best friends, best experiences, and improved a lot as a man. For me it's done far more good then bad.

Very annoyed that I lost a 'safe space' to talk honestly about these matters as censorship seems to become an issue. RSD Nation is offline. MASF is offline. Roosh V has gone christian censorship. Where can guys that want to continue the player lifestyle for the time being discuss openly? Are there any good forums left?

I'm also slightly annoyed about the guys preaching puritanical beliefs yet not walking the talk. Victor Pride is doing the same. Overall I like both him and Roosh but where are your children? Where is your 'good girl'? I think they know from experience they don't exist or the one that does exist is not nearly as attractive as the girls you get here and there in the player lifestyle. Furthermore, they enjoy their freedom too much. I surely, value freedom extremely highly. Perhaps even highest value.

I have almost always been open to starting a family if I found the right women. Ideally from my own ethnic cultural background but the ones that make me excited to do so were not interested enough to build something. The ones that were interested did not make me excited enough to do so with them, it felt like a downgrade from my current lifestyle.
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So I had a great little prospect of a girl. We been talking for 4 months now, decided to make her my girlfriend on June 1st following the roosh change. (Or was it the day he announced the change). Anyway, things were going great until yesterday when she revealed to me she let a friend stay over (cause he’s on bad times) and they ended up having sex on the second night. So that night I was pissed, until I came to the realization that I can’t be mad st her. There’s much I need to learn about game and women, I approached her like a pro and got beat like an novice. I gave her everything she wanted in a relationship and yet she still cheated. I’m not even mad anymore, just eager to learn and build.

My point after all that BS is a lot of guys are pitiful like me, I’m borderline a simp cuck as I still want her. However I know it’s best I ghost her and move on. A lot of guys need to learn about game and need to go through the phase of casual sex to get their confidence. This was one of the few places where meh could go to learn without being judged too harshly.

I’m glad many of the older post are still here as I’m going to read and take notes for the following weeks.
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(06-27-2019 12:56 AM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  So I had a great little prospect of a girl. We been talking for 4 months now, decided to make her my girlfriend on June 1st following the roosh change. (Or was it the day he announced the change). Anyway, things were going great until yesterday when she revealed to me she let a friend stay over (cause he’s on bad times) and they ended up having sex on the second night. So that night I was pissed, until I came to the realization that I can’t be mad st her. There’s much I need to learn about game and women, I approached her like a pro and got beat like an novice. I gave her everything she wanted in a relationship and yet she still cheated. I’m not even mad anymore, just eager to learn and build.
My point after all that BS is a lot of guys are pitiful like me, I’m borderline a simp cuck as I still want her. However I know it’s best I ghost her and move on. A lot of guys need to learn about game and need to go through the phase of casual sex to get their confidence. This was one of the few places where meh could go to learn without being judged too harshly.
I’m glad many of the older post are still here as I’m going to read and take notes for the following weeks.

There is a lot to unpack here. I feel like maybe we need a relationship section for this forum. Game applies to relationships too.

I like your attitude. I don't think you are pitiful. Look, women do this kind of shit for all kinds of reasons to all kinds of men.

I will say this... if she asked you in advance if it bothered you that this guy stayed over at her place... and you said "Yes", then you fucked up hard. If not... then she did it for her own reasons.

If you just ghost her... I think it will take you longer to overcome the hurt. I think you should just make her a plate while you look for someone else. The fact that you want her still is natural... it's part of you emotionally dealing with what she did. You want to prove to yourself that you can keep her. That fades for most guys in a short time and they are left with just anger... or sadness.
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Great great information! Thanks for taking the time to type that cause it really did help!

No she didn’t tell me, infact she tried her hardest to keep it a secret. Turns out she just met the guy also. All that is irrelevant. I’m semi over her, I’m using this pain as motivation to better myself. I’ll be 25 in July so I still have time! She already told me she wants to fuck other guys now

so best case scenario I ghost her, better my life and she realize the errors in her ways and I turn her into a plate when she inevitably come back.

Or worse case scenario is I struggle hard to get over her for the month of July, and we both forget about each other as time goes by.......or I make her a plate but the love I have for her gets in the way and I get hurt worse...

Problem with me is, I DONT LIKE sharing. So Fwb never work for me. But I also hate the commitment of relationships (because I don’t trust women AT ALL) to me it’s a waiting game untill she fucks up.
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Well Donfitz007, the good thing is she did this to you now before you did something really stupid, like marry her.

Men dont seem to understand that the woman that divorces them is not the same woman they married. Some are good chameleons and some just change over time.

This one is pretty cold blooded to tell you she wants to screw other guys. I hope this lesson here have you take my warnings about marriage seriously. Right now all you loss is a piece of your heart. It could've been a lot worse had you signed a contract with her.
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(06-27-2019 12:56 AM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  So I had a great little prospect of a girl. We been talking for 4 months now, decided to make her my girlfriend on June 1st following the roosh change. (Or was it the day he announced the change). Anyway, things were going great until yesterday when she revealed to me she let a friend stay over (cause he’s on bad times) and they ended up having sex on the second night. So that night I was pissed, until I came to the realization that I can’t be mad st her. There’s much I need to learn about game and women, I approached her like a pro and got beat like an novice. I gave her everything she wanted in a relationship and yet she still cheated. I’m not even mad anymore, just eager to learn and build.
My point after all that BS is a lot of guys are pitiful like me, I’m borderline a simp cuck as I still want her. However I know it’s best I ghost her and move on. A lot of guys need to learn about game and need to go through the phase of casual sex to get their confidence. This was one of the few places where meh could go to learn without being judged too harshly.
I’m glad many of the older post are still here as I’m going to read and take notes for the following weeks.

There is a lot to unpack here. I feel like maybe we need a relationship section for this forum. Game applies to relationships too.

I like your attitude. I don't think you are pitiful. Look, women do this kind of shit for all kinds of reasons to all kinds of men.

I will say this... if she asked you in advance if it bothered you that this guy stayed over at her place... and you said "Yes", then you fucked up hard. If not... then she did it for her own reasons.

If you just ghost her... I think it will take you longer to overcome the hurt. I think you should just make her a plate while you look for someone else. The fact that you want her still is natural... it's part of you emotionally dealing with what she did. You want to prove to yourself that you can keep her. That fades for most guys in a short time and they are left with just anger... or sadness.

I disagree heavily, do not turn her into a plate if she cheated on you...
Just ghost her and move on to other women.
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(06-28-2019 01:57 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  Great great information! Thanks for taking the time to type that cause it really did help!
No she didn’t tell me, infact she tried her hardest to keep it a secret. Turns out she just met the guy also. All that is irrelevant. I’m semi over her, I’m using this pain as motivation to better myself. I’ll be 25 in July so I still have time! She already told me she wants to fuck other guys now
so best case scenario I ghost her, better my life and she realize the errors in her ways and I turn her into a plate when she inevitably come back.
Or worse case scenario is I struggle hard to get over her for the month of July, and we both forget about each other as time goes by.......or I make her a plate but the love I have for her gets in the way and I get hurt worse...
Problem with me is, I DONT LIKE sharing. So Fwb never work for me. But I also hate the commitment of relationships (because I don’t trust women AT ALL) to me it’s a waiting game untill she fucks up.

It's not bad to be heavily skeptical of all women, but you also have to be willing to trust sometimes. You just need to make sure that trust is well deserved.

My thinking is that this girl probably was never that into you. My suggestion is for the future, learn how to figure out what a woman's love buttons are and push them hard and fast. I know some strategies for this if you need help. I mean honestly, when I get a girl talking... my goal is to figure her out. Once I have an idea of what I'm dealing with... there is very little she can do.

You know they did a study a while back where a man and a woman sat across from each other and stared straight into each others eyes while answering ever more intimate questions. The result was fairly interesting. Women who were not much attracted to the man before, stated afterwards they felt like it's possible they could fall in love with him. Men reported a somewhat similar if diminished effect.

(06-28-2019 04:19 PM)Shifty Wrote:  I disagree heavily, do not turn her into a plate if she cheated on you...
Just ghost her and move on to other women.

I understand. Not everyone deals with these things like me.
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I agree with you, I know the reason why this happened is that she doesn't respect me.
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