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RE: Looks vs. Game
(10-24-2011 09:44 AM)Jack D. Serrano Wrote:  
(10-24-2011 04:39 AM)XXL Wrote:  i say that cause i know very well how it feels to hear some legit stuff about yourself like things you know are on point. you think "shit that was mean". that's what can break you really fast ahhahaha. and what's going on there? she looks you deeply in the eyes and just fucks with you like that. and when it happens i know.. I KNOW cause i fucking see it that she's lying about my chubby belly that she's just trying to punk me to see what i'm made of especially when she gets attracted more.

i remember i once saw punk'd tv show with ashton kutcher and it dawned on me. that's exactly what hot girls do. they try to get you caught, find your weakness and see how you will handle the situation. i like to use "wtf? you trying to punk me? you just trying to punk me girl.. you can't you hear me?.. where're cameras? tell ashton to come out.. i'll show you! punking me? no fucking way.." and girls laugh cause they know they actually doing it and i called them out hahahaha. that's why it takes hard dick to fuck hot pussy. being unaffected badass is really impressive.

as is said it needs to be seen and experienced when some bitchy girl gives you shit about your belly and after a while says you're handsome/sexy. then you will see the pattern. it is kind of crazy but i guess that's how women are. they want strong guy who feels comfortable so she can feel comfortable around him.

i've never slept with a pornstar (or at least i don't know about that) but that girl in the video is on point. i've seen shit like that many times. girls are really spoiled and cheeky these days thinking they rule the world or something so they have no constraints to mess with men.

i recommend to hold the frame and see how ice cold bitch crumbles

Maybe this works, makes you happy and gets you the kind of girls you like. It's all good. I'm going to give my perspective, which involves different women met at places that don't include bars/clubs.

If you are the right guy (meaning she likes your image initially, you share chemistry, you make her laugh, and you always keep things light and playful) and she is a beautiful girl with healthy self-esteem and minimal scars/baggage in life, she isn't going to give you any of what guys like to call "shit-tests." She's not going to insult you. She's not going to punk you.

Why so much confrontation?

Being with beautiful, high value women (when you are the right guy) is more akin to 2 people, mutually working together towards common goals (whether it's one night, one year, or even more). She works with you, not against you. Any challenges are not you vs. her. They are you and her vs. the challenge.

If she really likes you, she's going to do everything possible to keep you happy, laughing, over-sexed and in her life for as long as possible. Why is she not going to give me messed up BS? Because she knows I would walk out of her life instantly the second she did, without thinking twice (she knows it without me ever having to say it). She knows, without a doubt, that I am the kind of guy who is willing to walk away from a hot girl who is rude even when she dangles sex in front of me.

Great sex is common. Beautiful women are common. It is rare for beautiful women to find a guy who will actually disqualify her and walk out of her life without giving her a second chance. Great women can tell when they meet a guy who won't take BS from messed up women. You think she would be like that with Johnny Depp?

Really high value women are respectful to men who they like and who deserve respect.

If women are disrespectful to you it means one of two things:
- You are taking actions that deserve no respect (better figure out how to make yourself a better man).
- You are with a disrespectful girl (in which case you'd be better off dumping her, unless you like that kind of girl).

Any words that come out of her mouth are jokes anyways, but if it ever becomes disrespectful, I walk. None of that unaffected badass/fake being unreactive stuff.

There was a PUA guy once, a guy who didn't know who I was, didn't know the girls I date, didn't know about my experiences, who saw me walk away from a hot girl.

He approached me a few minutes later, after I had approached several more women. He said, "Dude, I saw you talking to that really hot girl who was being cold. But you gotta stick in there when she acts bitchy like that. You gotta show her that you don't care."

Me: "Show who that I don't care?" (I didn't know which girl he was talking about)
Guy: "That really hot, bitchy girl."
Me: "Why would I want to talk to a person I don't care about?"
Guy: "Cause man, if you want to get really hot girls that's how you do it! You gotta show her you don't care!"
Me: "So then, if I care about getting that particular hot girl I have to act like I don't care?"
Guy: "Yeah!"
Me: "I'm sure that's what you think. But I actually don't care. That's why I left. Anyways, good to meet you, man. Have a great day."

Treat everything she says like a joke but if she's rude (and it's not within the bounds of your flirting with each other), she's out. DQ several dozen very sexy girls who all the other guys are fighting over and see how much high value women seem to be able to sense it in you.

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Back on topic about the Looks thing.

As far as everyone here should individually should be concerned - YOUR LOOKS should matter. Don't worry about how other people look. Don't worry about whether guys think you look good. Don't worry about what extent looks help you compared to other dudes. Don't worry about your good-looking friend who gets different results with women than you. Trying to guess how much looks matter to girls is just pure speculation.

Bottom line - improving your looks will help you, individually, get better results with women. So will lots of other things. Doesn't it make sense to optimize yourself as much as possible?

Improve your looks and you make things easier compared to where you are now (not compared to other guys).

YOU with more improved looks will always outperform YOU with less improved looks. Does anything else matter?

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RE: Looks vs. Game
(10-24-2011 11:56 AM)DLuzhin Wrote:  
(10-23-2011 08:10 AM)XXL Wrote:  bad:
girl judges your skin >> you show it affects you >> she feels you're weak and becomes pain in the ass >> it affects you more >> she gets cold >> you act like a chump >> she loses attraction >> game over

good:
girl judges your skin >> you hold your frame >> she shittests more >> you hold your frame >> she feels curious and intrigued >> you hold your frame >> she chills out >> you chill out but still you hold your frame >> she's gaming you >> you can win or lose but you did everything you could to get her.

it's legit. start from 4:22. that's how hot hot chicks are like most of the time. and they don't care about your fucking skin. they care about a guy who can handle them like a MAN.

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RE: Looks vs. Game
(10-14-2011 08:17 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  Looks will get you in the door ALOT easier and faster.

Girls will open you making life again ALOT easier.

You will be Alpha of the group (not necessarily in the game department, but what I mean is when you and your friends first approach a set of girls the best looking guy will automatically be put as priority and option #1)

Which is fucking great because you will almost always get "first dibs".

Now after that initial meeting / phase the looks factor drops STEEPLY in importance. The DHV and interest your looks brought you out the gate will quickly wear off if you have zero game and personality. Thus making your looks worthless for the most part.

I dont really believe the I only see hot girls with equally hot guys. I see plenty of hot girls with average to below average looking dudes ALL THE TIME.

And most ELITE bitches mainly go for the rich or famous dudes that 8 times out of 10 does not look good.

Game and Looks both have their strong points and uses.

Obviously a good looking dude with tight game is the cream of the crop. The complete ALPHA.

I would take being average looking with AIR TIGHT GAME over being good looking with zero - shitty game EVERYDAY.

That last part you said wasn't a fair comparison because you compared shitty game with being average looking. A more fair comparison would have been average looks and air tight game vs good looking and average game. I would argue that the latter would edge out the former more often than not. For example, 5'5 mediocre looking charismatic guy vs 6'0 fit good looking guy who can converse but isn't particularly witty or a good story teller. I think the later case would edge out the former case.
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RE: Looks vs. Game
Max out both as much as you can, but game will always be more important.

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Quote:Any words that come out of her mouth are jokes anyways, but if it ever becomes disrespectful, I walk. None of that unaffected badass/fake being unreactive stuff.

I was with a girl for four months last year who started to become disrespectful by saying things designed to hurt my feelings, and she would say these things completely out of context when were having a perfectly nice afternoon or evening.

Thing is, she confessed on our first date that she had done this very thing to boyfriends in the past to find a chink in their armour.

When she started it with me - in fact, the very first time she did this, I emotionally vacated the relationship. Was I being petty? Possibly.

Any girl who can wantonly say something totally disrespectful to you, designed to hurt your feelings, apropos of nothing, ain't worth shit.

You can call them out on it (like I did) and see if they apologise (mine didn't) but no matter: you're dealing with a particular kind of noxious individual who has such shitty self-esteem that bringing you down is the only way she can cope.
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RE: Looks vs. Game
of course that looks are pretty important. If you are good-looking, you are going to get more positive reactions. Most guys who say that being pretty is not as important you imagine in game are precisely guys who are above average when it comes to height, facial symmetry etc. I used to follow a guy who was clearly below average in looks (3/10 I would say, no homo) and according to him, he had to do far more cold approaches than other people to get the same results.

Sure, there are hollywood actors who are short and ugly, but they are rich and famous. Yeah, haven't you considered that the average guy who is bad-looking is not rich nor famous?. For those who say that looks are not important just notice that you are using an outlier to prove your theory. If 1% of the ugly guys are successful with women because they are famous and rich that doesn't mean that we can use it for the rest of bad-looking guys.


IMO game is important because even if you are above average, you still need how to deal with women. Above all, game is extremly important to maintain a healthy relationship. The more good-looking you are, the less game you will need. Still, learning game is useful and is going to give positive returns.


Here is a video that shows that looks are very important. I don't agree completly with autor of this video since I don't reckon that game is useless.







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RE: Looks vs. Game
Game is important (you usually need it to actually close girls unless she is SUPER into the way you look). A girl can be kind of into you, but if you don't pass shit tests and have cool things to say and the abililty to escalate smoothly etc etc, then often it goes nowhere. So i'm no game denier.


But from a cold approach, i'd take very good looks over 'game' every time tbh - if she is very attracted, you usually just need to not be super weird and autistic and simply lead. Often she will be the one escalating and filling in gaps in convo etc etc. It's a different world entirely from what i've seen with my very good looking wing.

If you don't meet a girls looks threshold (and very young hot girls can be extremely picky) then no amount of 'game' is gonna get her in bed.

Roosh said ''''These experiences make me wonder if game is nothing more than a tool to be used on a girl who doesn’t object to our general look.'' He's basically got it right there although maybe underestimates how easy it is to fail the 'looks test' when it comes to very young hotties!

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RE: Looks vs. Game
If your body language says alpha, your biggest physical flaws will melt away in her eyes. If you're weak, she will take your tiniest flaws and magnify it a thousand times.

Beauty is for women. Men are utilitarian and a man never survived or held court with his looks. Good looks are a nice intro, but a man's mettle is always tested.
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RE: Looks vs. Game
The problem with these LMS people is that their perception is skewed by online dating.

How can you show high value on Tinder? Looks, witty profile, IG account, good pics.

When the average chick probably spends 5-10 mins a day on the app and virtually every right swipe she makes is a match, obviously the best looking dudes will win out.

Take that same girl that gets matched with every guy on tinder and put her in a bar or club and everything changes. Looks, body language, tonality, humor, social proof, etc can all be displayed in public.


Here's how I see looks after going out thousands of times in my life:

- Girls don't have 1-10 scales. You're either hot or not.

- Hot to girls doesn't always include face. Mick Jagger, James Gandolfini, David Bowie, etc were all considered hot.

- As long as you're at least a 4/10, you're ok. You can be below average, but don't be "ugly". Obese, gross moles, fucked up teeth, horrible acne, bad breath, etc

- Style can turn you from ugly to hot with girls.

[Image: 2f362ef877867dbb20eccbc158c0f104.jpg]

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If you're ugly, don't obsess over this stuff. Get your style on point, work on body language and tonality and you'll can still get hot girls. I consistently see below average looking men with 7-8's every time I go out.
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(09-07-2019 09:38 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  The problem with these LMS people is that their perception is skewed by online dating.

How can you show high value on Tinder? Looks, witty profile, IG account, good pics.

When the average chick probably spends 5-10 mins a day on the app and virtually every right swipe she makes is a match, obviously the best looking dudes will win out.

Take that same girl that gets matched with every guy on tinder and put her in a bar or club and everything changes. Looks, body language, tonality, humor, social proof, etc can all be displayed in public.


Here's how I see looks after going out thousands of times in my life:

- Girls don't have 1-10 scales. You're either hot or not.

- Hot to girls doesn't always include face. Mick Jagger, James Gandolfini, David Bowie, etc were all considered hot.

- As long as you're at least a 4/10, you're ok. You can be below average, but don't be "ugly". Obese, gross moles, fucked up teeth, horrible acne, bad breath, etc

- Style can turn you from ugly to hot with girls.

[Image: 2f362ef877867dbb20eccbc158c0f104.jpg]

[Image: 09945b38485d581465b6e55bd235f39b.jpg]

If you're ugly, don't obsess over this stuff. Get your style on point, work on body language and tonality and you'll can still get hot girls. I consistently see below average looking men with 7-8's every time I go out.

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Cope.

Those guys would still get 0 matches.

Looks are everything and game is worth nothing without looks. Though game helps you with a girl who is already attracted to you.
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(09-07-2019 01:57 PM)Geronimo Wrote:  [

Cope.

Those guys would still get 0 matches.

Looks are everything and game is worth nothing without looks. Though game helps you with a girl who is already attracted to you.

It probably won't work online but it does work in real life. I see below average guys in looks that are with good looking girls all the time. If your personality / game is good and you take care of yourself you will overcome any natural shortcomings.
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(09-07-2019 01:57 PM)Geronimo Wrote:  Cope.

Those guys would still get 0 matches.

Looks are everything and game is worth nothing without looks. Though game helps you with a girl who is already attracted to you.

Preach, brother! Those guys shouldn't even try to get laid, and if you look like them, you shouldn't try either. What's the point of talking to a girl if you're not at least a 7 or a 8?

We'll be better off jacking off to gangbang porn all day, in our crusty ass, cum stained office chairs, complaining about how dry our dicks are, with other dry dicked 6.9's, even though all of our dicks are clearly well moisturized by Jergens® Ultra Healing®.

That's how we should live our life.

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(09-07-2019 01:57 PM)Geronimo Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 09:38 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  The problem with these LMS people is that their perception is skewed by online dating.

How can you show high value on Tinder? Looks, witty profile, IG account, good pics.

When the average chick probably spends 5-10 mins a day on the app and virtually every right swipe she makes is a match, obviously the best looking dudes will win out.

Take that same girl that gets matched with every guy on tinder and put her in a bar or club and everything changes. Looks, body language, tonality, humor, social proof, etc can all be displayed in public.


Here's how I see looks after going out thousands of times in my life:

- Girls don't have 1-10 scales. You're either hot or not.

- Hot to girls doesn't always include face. Mick Jagger, James Gandolfini, David Bowie, etc were all considered hot.

- As long as you're at least a 4/10, you're ok. You can be below average, but don't be "ugly". Obese, gross moles, fucked up teeth, horrible acne, bad breath, etc

- Style can turn you from ugly to hot with girls.

[Image: 2f362ef877867dbb20eccbc158c0f104.jpg]

[Image: 09945b38485d581465b6e55bd235f39b.jpg]

If you're ugly, don't obsess over this stuff. Get your style on point, work on body language and tonality and you'll can still get hot girls. I consistently see below average looking men with 7-8's every time I go out.

[Image: kAHiu0y.gif]

Cope.

Those guys would still get 0 matches.

Looks are everything and game is worth nothing without looks. Though game helps you with a girl who is already attracted to you.
Literally the first three paragraphs of that post is talking about how online dating skews perceptions of the importance of attractiveness. It doesn't say or infer that dressing well would get them matches on tinder (it infers the opposite)
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Alright I'm done. Have fun roosh. If you want to lead a bunch of incels have fun.
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(09-07-2019 09:17 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  Alright I'm done. Have fun roosh. If you want to lead a bunch of incels have fun.

The looks-max meme is pervasive. Black pill as well.

As I get older I see more and more how key inner game is. Dressing well always gets you attention even if you're average or below. These two things alone get you ahead of the vast majority of guys.

It's also frankly delusional for guys to think they're going to meet above average, even average women off of apps. Apps are not built to advantage men, women have the advantage here because of sexual dynamics and male thirst. Men are more thirsty than women, and women do the rejecting, not men. Especially if they're (men) of average or below average attractiveness. I read something the other day, fully, 85 percent of men on apps are considered below average attractiveness by women on said apps. Given such a strong numbers skew, men should approach them with appropriate caution, and the realization that they supplement IRL game and should not be the only trick in a man's bag.

Literally every man you see with a woman a point or more higher than him is an example of charisma, inner game, perseverance, good dressing, social skills, alpha-ness, or game in action. My personal belief is that men are not 0-10 on a scale, it's more binary instead. And attraction can be formed with women on a physical, first glance basis, or on a longer basis when you open your mouth, demonstrate a skill, or encounter her more in social situations. Sometimes stuff works out in a gradual way. Anyway, call me an optimist, but I no longer believe in female love/ attraction with a male at first glance belief, which is pervasive by the way... (although it can happen, with women, I believe it's more of just an "Oh, he's attractive, maybe he notices me or talks to me. Let me give him a subtle signal and hope he opens me.")
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Quote:Cope.

Those guys would still get 0 matches.

Looks are everything and game is worth nothing without looks. Though game helps you with a girl who is already attracted to you.

If you only care about online game be born in another body or get off this forum. I say this as a man who online game works for
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It's really easy. The more a man understands the differences between the male and female attraction to arousal sequences the better his results with women will be.

Reading this thread (and the countless others that have pitted Game vs Looks over the years on RVF) its easy to tell who is likely not getting any pussy.

They dont get it because they dont "get it".

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(09-07-2019 01:57 PM)Geronimo Wrote:  game helps you with a girl who is already attracted to you.

That's the nub of it. (And basically what Roosh said in that quoted post earlier in the thread)

You usually need 'game' to close these girls, although if you are not her phsical type, then it won't cut any ice (luckily taste varies somewhat, so sometimes a hot girl will think you're good looking enough (7), even if you are only like a 5 in the eyes of MOST girls)

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(09-07-2019 09:37 PM)Chads Day Off Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 09:17 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  Alright I'm done. Have fun roosh. If you want to lead a bunch of incels have fun.

The looks-max meme is pervasive. Black pill as well.

As I get older I see more and more how key inner game is. Dressing well always gets you attention even if you're average or below. These two things alone get you ahead of the vast majority of guys.

It's also frankly delusional for guys to think they're going to meet above average, even average women off of apps. Apps are not built to advantage men, women have the advantage here because of sexual dynamics and male thirst. Men are more thirsty than women, and women do the rejecting, not men. Especially if they're (men) of average or below average attractiveness. I read something the other day, fully, 85 percent of men on apps are considered below average attractiveness by women on said apps. Given such a strong numbers skew, men should approach them with appropriate caution, and the realization that they supplement IRL game and should not be the only trick in a man's bag.

Literally every man you see with a woman a point or more higher than him is an example of charisma, inner game, perseverance, good dressing, social skills, alpha-ness, or game in action. My personal belief is that men are not 0-10 on a scale, it's more binary instead. And attraction can be formed with women on a physical, first glance basis, or on a longer basis when you open your mouth, demonstrate a skill, or encounter her more in social situations. Sometimes stuff works out in a gradual way. Anyway, call me an optimist, but I no longer believe in female love/ attraction with a male at first glance belief, which is pervasive by the way... (although it can happen, with women, I believe it's more of just an "Oh, he's attractive, maybe he notices me or talks to me. Let me give him a subtle signal and hope he opens me.")

Chad, nice post. Let me point that you can wear women down, it is true --- but it is not common in the west. At this point in time you won't even get enough time to come anywhere near or close to doing it, I'm sad to say.

If the surroundings are right, women can be persuaded to do all manner of things. History and the modern age show this. Where the problem arises is that history was the sane time of humanity, more fit to biology. Not now.

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(09-08-2019 04:35 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  
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Those guys would still get 0 matches.

Looks are everything and game is worth nothing without looks. Though game helps you with a girl who is already attracted to you.

If you only care about online game be born in another body or get off this forum. I say this as a man who online game works for

And if you don't like what quaker has to say here I have a bonus for you --- online is a dead end, anyway. So who cares.

Work on yourself, get in better surroundings here or elsewhere, do what you can. Just be honest about what you are and be grateful for living. If you do those two things, you can't go wrong.

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(09-08-2019 09:34 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 09:37 PM)Chads Day Off Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 09:17 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  Alright I'm done. Have fun roosh. If you want to lead a bunch of incels have fun.

The looks-max meme is pervasive. Black pill as well.

As I get older I see more and more how key inner game is. Dressing well always gets you attention even if you're average or below. These two things alone get you ahead of the vast majority of guys.

It's also frankly delusional for guys to think they're going to meet above average, even average women off of apps. Apps are not built to advantage men, women have the advantage here because of sexual dynamics and male thirst. Men are more thirsty than women, and women do the rejecting, not men. Especially if they're (men) of average or below average attractiveness. I read something the other day, fully, 85 percent of men on apps are considered below average attractiveness by women on said apps. Given such a strong numbers skew, men should approach them with appropriate caution, and the realization that they supplement IRL game and should not be the only trick in a man's bag.

Literally every man you see with a woman a point or more higher than him is an example of charisma, inner game, perseverance, good dressing, social skills, alpha-ness, or game in action. My personal belief is that men are not 0-10 on a scale, it's more binary instead. And attraction can be formed with women on a physical, first glance basis, or on a longer basis when you open your mouth, demonstrate a skill, or encounter her more in social situations. Sometimes stuff works out in a gradual way. Anyway, call me an optimist, but I no longer believe in female love/ attraction with a male at first glance belief, which is pervasive by the way... (although it can happen, with women, I believe it's more of just an "Oh, he's attractive, maybe he notices me or talks to me. Let me give him a subtle signal and hope he opens me.")

Chad, nice post. Let me point that you can wear women down, it is true --- but it is not common in the west. At this point in time you won't even get enough time to come anywhere near or close to doing it, I'm sad to say.

If the surroundings are right, women can be persuaded to do all manner of things. History and the modern age show this. Where the problem arises is that history was the sane time of humanity, more fit to biology. Not now.

Call this an unpopular or heterodox opinion, but i think it's ok to proposition a girl a second time if the connection is a social one, or you'll be seeing her again. Sometimes you have to be persistent. Validating a girl in person I would maintain does way more than validation via instagram or dating app, where she forgets about you immediately. Good thoughts. Sometimes women even want to be chased, but on the other hand, a popular piece of wisdom says that the woman should chase the man.
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(09-08-2019 10:56 PM)Chads Day Off Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 09:34 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 09:37 PM)Chads Day Off Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 09:17 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  Alright I'm done. Have fun roosh. If you want to lead a bunch of incels have fun.

The looks-max meme is pervasive. Black pill as well.

As I get older I see more and more how key inner game is. Dressing well always gets you attention even if you're average or below. These two things alone get you ahead of the vast majority of guys.

It's also frankly delusional for guys to think they're going to meet above average, even average women off of apps. Apps are not built to advantage men, women have the advantage here because of sexual dynamics and male thirst. Men are more thirsty than women, and women do the rejecting, not men. Especially if they're (men) of average or below average attractiveness. I read something the other day, fully, 85 percent of men on apps are considered below average attractiveness by women on said apps. Given such a strong numbers skew, men should approach them with appropriate caution, and the realization that they supplement IRL game and should not be the only trick in a man's bag.

Literally every man you see with a woman a point or more higher than him is an example of charisma, inner game, perseverance, good dressing, social skills, alpha-ness, or game in action. My personal belief is that men are not 0-10 on a scale, it's more binary instead. And attraction can be formed with women on a physical, first glance basis, or on a longer basis when you open your mouth, demonstrate a skill, or encounter her more in social situations. Sometimes stuff works out in a gradual way. Anyway, call me an optimist, but I no longer believe in female love/ attraction with a male at first glance belief, which is pervasive by the way... (although it can happen, with women, I believe it's more of just an "Oh, he's attractive, maybe he notices me or talks to me. Let me give him a subtle signal and hope he opens me.")

Chad, nice post. Let me point that you can wear women down, it is true --- but it is not common in the west. At this point in time you won't even get enough time to come anywhere near or close to doing it, I'm sad to say.

If the surroundings are right, women can be persuaded to do all manner of things. History and the modern age show this. Where the problem arises is that history was the sane time of humanity, more fit to biology. Not now.

Call this an unpopular or heterodox opinion, but i think it's ok to proposition a girl a second time if the connection is a social one, or you'll be seeing her again. Sometimes you have to be persistent. Validating a girl in person I would maintain does way more than validation via instagram or dating app, where she forgets about you immediately. Good thoughts. Sometimes women even want to be chased, but on the other hand, a popular piece of wisdom says that the woman should chase the man.

This is very true. That said, this method is best suited for a man who has multiple women already. That's why it becomes easier in terms acquiring more women when you have some than when you have none. That said, maintaining those women for any respectable length of time requires an ass load of effort. It's literally easier to put in the effort to acquire another quality woman than it is to maintain a quality one given the holidays, birthdays and other special events she will ask you to accompany her too. A new one does not have these expectations. I don't even last long enough for a chick to invite me to a wedding.

Hitting up a girl a second is just fine, particularly if you're in a smaller town and you aren't being creepy. So many things in life boil down to timing. Women constantly have bullshit going on and many times self inflicted. It's not a big deal. She'll make up for it later if she's not a total piece of shit and if she's you did yourself a favor.

Lighten up about the whole process and you'll get further. Make sure to maintain you're dignity and optimism.
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