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RE: Western " experts" : Women are happier without children and husbands
On average I bet the article is spot on. The top end of happiness might be a nuclear family with a great spouse, but the average nuclear family is 2 kind of crappy people living together out of peer pressure and raising crappy kids and making each other's lives a living hell.
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05-26-2019 10:55 PM
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RE: Western " experts" : Women are happier without children and husbands
Feminists have been brainwashing women into thinking that they don't need a man to be happy.

This causes women to mess around or sleep with a bunch of guys for a while.

Once they're in their 30s or 40s, they are finally to settle down. They end up desperate because they realize their biological clock is ticking. And they find some guy gullible enough to marry them.

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05-27-2019 01:20 AM
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RE: Western " experts" : Women are happier without children and husbands
(05-26-2019 05:16 PM)squiggly Wrote:  Getting married is the most dangerous thing a man can do, and avoiding women like the plague is the ultimate vaccine. They have little way of getting at you if they can't get at you through a cunt.

Or just don't stay in Western countries like the U.S., U.K., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand where systems make it easy for a woman to divorce her husband and get huge benefits.

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05-27-2019 01:26 AM
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RE: Western " experts" : Women are happier without children and husbands
(05-26-2019 10:55 PM)KMK Wrote:  On average I bet the article is spot on. The top end of happiness might be a nuclear family with a great spouse, but the average nuclear family is 2 kind of crappy people living together out of peer pressure and raising crappy kids and making each other's lives a living hell.

This is an interesting viewpoint that I had never considered. Being alone might be better than that. One of the great aspects of being a woman is the fact that having sex is supremely easy to achieve for them. It is also supremely easy to avoid giving birth too. Women can have their cake and eat it too. There's really no reason for a woman to have a husband and children on an individual level. However, if too many women opt out of the husband and children game, the collective suffers.

However, some of the other research I've examined indicates that women are happier with a nuclear family and a great spouse, kind of in the whole biblical model mode. I see that as the real reality.

(05-27-2019 01:26 AM)2 Cool 4 U Wrote:  
(05-26-2019 05:16 PM)squiggly Wrote:  Getting married is the most dangerous thing a man can do, and avoiding women like the plague is the ultimate vaccine. They have little way of getting at you if they can't get at you through a cunt.

Or just don't stay in Western countries like the U.S., U.K., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand where systems make it easy for a woman to divorce her husband and get huge benefits.

While I agree that avoiding marriage is a good thing, a man can't avoid a woman. A man needs to have sex to keep a degree of sanity.

I would love to leave the United States, but I have not been able to make the ex-pat life logistics feasible. I think a lot of men just can't have that ex-pat feasibility.
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(05-26-2019 05:16 PM)squiggly Wrote:  > It is of course a risk but it's the only way to be happy in life. People can say what they want , but wedding is a good way to live a structured life. It s not for nothing that it is considered a sin to have a kid outside wedding. It's your responsibility to marry and turn things around and show the example for other people. If they see a couple with structured life , they will want to marry. Not everything should come from the state.

Oh God a Christian. Brain dead and brain washed and probably molested by a priest (and probably enjoyed it to). Thank God the MGTOW message is getting through to boys and men who are liberating themselves from the feminist-faggot society that has gone to war against them. Getting married is the most dangerous thing a man can do, and avoiding women like the plague is the ultimate vaccine. They have little way of getting at you if they can't get at you through a cunt.

You are officially Sir , the biggest idiot on this forum. I am not a good catholic enough , but be sure that I will pray for you tonight.
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(05-26-2019 10:55 PM)KMK Wrote:  On average I bet the article is spot on. The top end of happiness might be a nuclear family with a great spouse, but the average nuclear family is 2 kind of crappy people living together out of peer pressure and raising crappy kids and making each other's lives a living hell.

It's more complex than that.

Many of those "middle families" could be happier -- much happier -- if the women weren't stupid angry resentful bitches all the time. Every suburban neighborhood in America is packed with moms who are constantly resentful for trivial and stupid non-reasons.

Why are they resentful of the universe, when they are the richest, best fed, most pampered people in history? Because feminists told them to be resentful.
06-05-2019 10:09 AM
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Not sure is this has ever happened before, but the academic expert got it wrong. Feeling very much shocked right now.

Turns out he can't read very well.

Quote:“Married people are happier than other population subgroups, but only when their spouse is in the room when they’re asked how happy they are. When the spouse is not present: f***ing miserable,” Dolan said, citing the American Time Use Survey, a national survey available from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and used for academic research on how Americans live their lives.

The problem? That finding is the result of a grievous misunderstanding on Dolan’s part of how the American Time Use Survey works. The people conducting the survey didn’t ask married people how happy they were, shoo their spouses out of the room, and then ask again. Dolan had misinterpreted one of the categories in the survey, “spouse absent,” which refers to married people whose partner is no longer living in their household, as meaning the spouse stepped out of the room.

Oops.

Quote:I have contacted the Guardian who have amended the piece and my editor so that we can make the requisite changes to the book. The substance of my argument that marriage is generally better for men than for women remains.”

Kimbrough disputes that, too, arguing that Dolan’s other claims also “fall apart with a cursory look at the evidence,” as he told me.

I actually think marriage in the west doesn't really exist, and legal marriage is a disaster for men. But it's very clear that legally married women with children are happier.

I'm starting to think it's safer to believe the exact opposite of what 'experts' say about anything, especially if it's in the MSM.
06-12-2019 09:23 PM
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(06-05-2019 10:09 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  
(05-26-2019 10:55 PM)KMK Wrote:  On average I bet the article is spot on. The top end of happiness might be a nuclear family with a great spouse, but the average nuclear family is 2 kind of crappy people living together out of peer pressure and raising crappy kids and making each other's lives a living hell.

It's more complex than that.

Many of those "middle families" could be happier -- much happier -- if the women weren't stupid angry resentful bitches all the time. Every suburban neighborhood in America is packed with moms who are constantly resentful for trivial and stupid non-reasons.

Why are they resentful of the universe, when they are the richest, best fed, most pampered people in history? Because feminists told them to be resentful.

I think a big part of the women's dissatisfaction is due to the fact that the caliber of guys they dated and/or casually banged<<<<the caliber of guy that's willing to marry her. Nothing is more shattering to a woman's self-esteem than the reality of her value when she puts a price tag on it. Unfortunately, by that point, they've tasted what's out there so what they have to settle for is vastly different than what they perceived they would get. Hence you get the trivial nitpicking. Their anger at the guy they married is really a projection of the disappointment in themselves.

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(05-26-2019 05:16 PM)squiggly Wrote:  Oh God a Christian. Brain dead and brain washed and probably molested by a priest (and probably enjoyed it to). Thank God the MGTOW message is getting through to boys and men who are liberating themselves from the feminist-faggot society that has gone to war against them. Getting married is the most dangerous thing a man can do, and avoiding women like the plague is the ultimate vaccine. They have little way of getting at you if they can't get at you through a cunt.

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Though living by my own standards - prioritizing spiritual development over worldly things - already saved my ass in church. Another soldier before me has fallen in the same scenario, as I got to know recently.
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(06-12-2019 09:23 PM)Oak Wrote:   Dolan had misinterpreted one of the categories in the survey, “spouse absent,” which refers to married people whose partner is no longer living in their household, as meaning the spouse stepped out of the room.

Oops.

Misinterpreted or misrepresented?

He admits to the former, but I'm leaning towards the latter.

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(05-26-2019 10:55 PM)KMK Wrote:  On average I bet the article is spot on. The top end of happiness might be a nuclear family with a great spouse, but the average nuclear family is 2 kind of crappy people living together out of peer pressure and raising crappy kids and making each other's lives a living hell.

This is probably true. Being in a good marriage is emotionally rewarding and quite fulfilling. Being in a bad marriage is like a living hell. Anyone who thinks being in a bad relationship is better than being in no relationship clearly has no clue to life.
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Wait, wait, wait.
It's possible for chicks to be truly happy...?
06-13-2019 12:02 AM
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Trusting an expert to tell you anything is like trusting a snake oil salesman because of his showmanship.

Of course it wont stop 1,000s of women from going off the lemming cliff but at this point that may be a good thing. Cat lady

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(06-13-2019 02:20 AM)Alright Wrote:  [Image: an-expert-is-someone-who-articulates-the...uote-1.jpg]

Trusting an expert to tell you anything is like trusting a snake oil salesman because of his showmanship.

Of course it wont stop 1,000s of women from going off the lemming cliff but at this point that may be a good thing. Cat lady

Invest in Petco and Petsmart while you can Dodgy

That makes no sense. A doctor is a healthcare expert and you listen to them. A teacher is an expert at passing on information and they taught you to read and right. An architect is an expert and they designed your house. Of course we listen to experts.
06-13-2019 02:28 AM
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(06-13-2019 02:28 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  That makes no sense. A doctor is a healthcare expert and you listen to them. A teacher is an expert at passing on information and they taught you to read and right. An architect is an expert and they designed your house. Of course we listen to experts.

There are are very few doctors in west. Most of the so called doctors are just bureaucrats with little knowledge in mechanical medicine. The real medical work is done by machines. Machines diagnose you as programmed by programmers with no medical education, just reading from old medical books written by a previous and more great generation describing symptoms. It's the doctors job then to prescribe you medicines that machines diagnosed you with their signature. There are no more doctors that can diagnose you yourself - they all are afraid to do that out of fear of being sued and rely on machines 100%. Most doctors job can be automated and it soon will. Doctors are just bureaucrats that make sure you cannot receive medical aid if you have no document verifying your identity and to see if you have paid taxes or you are not a criminal. They are just bureaucrats - part of control system. Like you will not sell or buy without mark of the beast - it is the doctors job to make sure you receive no healing without mark of the beast.

I will not even go into the fact that most western doctors are unhealthy themselves and only know of the crude bio-mechanical side of medicine and have no spiritual understanding about the causes of sicknesses.

Architects are no better. There are two kinds - regular architects and famous architects. Regular architects are just drones who can only build stuff from modern ugly materials like glass. Ask them to design a medieval castle or manor or even a hut for you - they will not know how to. They can just use modern material (read - product) like Lego bricks already provided for them. Their job is to make sure you have all the papers if you want to rebuild your own house and that you do it only if you paid taxes to government and submitted a project to government so you do not build a secret room or anything. They are just another bureaucrat system.

Modern famous architects are just NWO crones that are used to push the fashion of ugly square glass buildings where everyone feels monitored all the time and where human spirit feels bound and cannot prosper like in great buildings of past.

Everyone with a degree is called an expert, but 95% of them are just drones for the system. These are the bureaucrats also called experts.

There are very few doctors and architects that can diagnose or operate nonstandard situations or design non-standard buildings. These people are not experts - they are Masters of their craft. They do not write for magazines and are employed by rich men in the know.
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As I'm reading Taleb at the minute, the common-sense idea of 'paying attention to what people do, rather than what they say' is fresh on my mind. So I did some searching.

The guy himself is happily married with 2 kids;

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle...?CMP=fb_gu

Quote:Yeah, of course, my wife. (We got married for a hundred quid, by the way.) She makes me happy. Most of the time. And I make her happy too. Some of the time. We both genuinely feel lucky to have each other

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He goes to the gym. He's from a working class background. His paper on marriage is bullshit and he knows it;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Dolan_(academic)
Quote:However, other social scientists quickly pointed out that this conclusion was based on a misunderstanding of the term “spouse present” in the American Time Use Survey. Dolan subsequently retracted his erroneous statement and pledged to correct his book.


He's the first member of his family to go to university and I get the impression he's doing well and is as surprised as anyone else by it, so he's just running with it. If the media want to focus and amplify bits of his 'research' that fits their agenda and pay him lots of money, I'm guessing he's fine with that.

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