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Western " experts" : Women are happier without children and husbands
From " The Guardian"

Quote:We may have suspected it already, but now the science backs it up: unmarried and childless women are the happiest subgroup in the population. And they are more likely to live longer than their married and child-rearing peers, according to a leading expert in happiness.
Speaking at the Hay festival on Saturday, Paul Dolan, a professor of behavioural science at the London School of Economics, said the latest evidence showed that the traditional markers used to measure success did not correlate with happiness – particularly marriage and raising children.
“Married people are happier than other population subgroups, but only when their spouse is in the room when they’re asked how happy they are. When the spouse is not present: fucking miserable,” he said.

“We do have some good longitudinal data following the same people over time, but I am going to do a massive disservice to that science and just say: if you’re a man, you should probably get married; if you’re a woman, don’t bother.”
Men benefited from marriage because they “calmed down”, he said. “You take less risks, you earn more money at work, and you live a little longer. She, on the other hand, has to put up with that, and dies sooner than if she never married. The healthiest and happiest population subgroup are women who never married or had children,” he said.
Dolan’s latest book, Happy Ever After, cites evidence from the American Time Use Survey (ATUS), which compared levels of pleasure and misery in unmarried, married, divorced, separated and widowed individuals. The study found that levels of happiness reported by those who were married was higher than the unmarried, but only when their spouse was in the room. Unmarried individuals reported lower levels of misery than married individuals who were asked when their spouse was not present.

Other studies have measured some financial and health benefits in being married for both men and women on average, which Dolan said could be attributed to higher incomes and emotional support, allowing married people to take risks and seek medical help.
However, Dolan said men showed more health benefits from tying the knot, as they took fewer risks. Women’s health was mostly unaffected by marriage, with middle-aged married women even being at higher risk of physical and mental conditions than their single counterparts.
Despite the benefits of a single, childless lifestyle for women, Dolan said that the existing narrative that marriage and children were signs of success meant that the stigma could lead some single women to feel unhappy.

“You see a single woman of 40, who has never had children – ‘Bless, that’s a shame, isn’t it? Maybe one day you’ll meet the right guy and that’ll change.’ No, maybe she’ll meet the wrong guy and that’ll change. Maybe she’ll meet a guy who makes her less happy and healthy, and die sooner.”
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RE: Western " experts" : Women are happier without children and husbands
Wait for the article where they explain that children are happier without parents. Perhaps sitting on the lap of homosexuals.
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Women who are happier without children select themselves out of the gene pool. That's how it should be, evolution at work.

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It is impossible for women to be happier not having children than when having it. The guardian wants to make us believe that nature is less strong than personal will.
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It's a bright sunny day and you are happily attending to your papers before you set out for some time in the countryside.

An officer from the Ministry of Happiness interrupts your work to inform you that he will be locking all of your doors and windows- keeping you inside- and then turning up your central heating to maximum remotely. Should you tamper with the heating you would be charged with wanton vandalism.

In these circumstances, as the house gets hotter and hotter, you will remove your clothes so as to keep your temperature stable. An observing behavioral scientist, with funding from the Ministry of Happiness, would then publish a paper 'proving' that men are happier living in their underwear.

The above story is a more interesting way of presenting the methodological problem that plagues this and other social and psychological research. Namely that human decisions and short and long-term payoffs are nested within sets of contexts. Any given behavioral science 'study', such as it is, is far more likely to give information pertaining to the context than to discover some counter-intuitive deeper Truth about how humans should live.
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> if you’re a man, you should probably get married

Let's see...

- divorce rape
- false rape accusations
- total loss of freedom and money
- married men put on weight
- unhappy marriage to a harpie
- child support
- not able to see kids after divorce

Wow it really adds up to something doesn't it?

Yet for women, marriage is the only real way they can have some assurance around raising a child, which apparently many women still want to do (why are they doing it otherwise?).

The lamestream media is a sockpuppet for the liberal/progressive public policy social engineers who were empowered to remodel society in the 1980s especially.

The message? "Encouraging" men to get married to women who are encouraged to hate men.

Feel like checking out any time soon? I heard Asia is pretty good.
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(05-26-2019 07:58 AM)squiggly Wrote:  > if you’re a man, you should probably get married

Let's see...

- divorce rape
- false rape accusations
- total loss of freedom and money
- married men put on weight
- unhappy marriage to a harpie
- child support
- not able to see kids after divorce

Wow it really adds up to something doesn't it?

Yet for women, marriage is the only real way they can have some assurance around raising a child, which apparently many women still want to do (why are they doing it otherwise?).

The lamestream media is a sockpuppet for the liberal/progressive public policy social engineers who were empowered to remodel society in the 1980s especially.

The message? "Encouraging" men to get married to women who are encouraged to hate men.

Feel like checking out any time soon? I heard Asia is pretty good.

Squiggly , you are exaggerating. You can sign before widding a contract which states the separation of goods in case of divorce. It is of course a risk but it's the only way to be happy in life.

People can say what they want , but wedding is a good way to live a structured life. It s not for nothing that it is considered a sin to have a kid outside wedding. It's your responsibility to marry and turn things around and show the example for other people. If they see a couple with structured life , they will want to marry. Not everything should come from the state.
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Roosh's post seems to have brought the lurker MGTOW types out in force.

Also those "facts" are bullshit. Catholics who report no pre-marital sex, attend service weekly, and do not use contraception have a divorce rate that's in the 1-3% range.

It's only the modern joke that we call "marriage" that is a disaster.
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So the wine, cats, and anti-depressants are working?
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(05-26-2019 07:57 AM)Devilsdice Wrote:  It's a bright sunny day and you are happily attending to your papers before you set out for some time in the countryside.

An officer from the Ministry of Happiness interrupts your work to inform you that he will be locking all of your doors and windows- keeping you inside- and then turning up your central heating to maximum remotely. Should you tamper with the heating you would be charged with wanton vandalism.

In these circumstances, as the house gets hotter and hotter, you will remove your clothes so as to keep your temperature stable. An observing behavioral scientist, with funding from the Ministry of Happiness, would then publish a paper 'proving' that men are happier living in their underwear.

The above story is a more interesting way of presenting the methodological problem that plagues this and other social and psychological research. Namely that human decisions and short and long-term payoffs are nested within sets of contexts. Any given behavioral science 'study', such as it is, is far more likely to give information pertaining to the context than to discover some counter-intuitive deeper Truth about how humans should live.

Fantastic post. Repped.
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(05-26-2019 08:28 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  Roosh's post seems to have brought the lurker MGTOW types out in force.

Also those "facts" are bullshit. Catholics who report no pre-marital sex, attend service weekly, and do not use contraception have a divorce rate that's in the 1-3% range.

It's only the modern joke that we call "marriage" that is a disaster.

I wonder if that is controlled for the millenial demographic. Boomer generation I can see this being true for.
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It's ironic how Satan has the patience of a saint. It takes a lot to engage in such a long march.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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Of course they're happier. They're all on anti-depressants! This is like saying the Rollings Stones were happier in 1973 than in 1965. Drugs will do that to you.

I shouldn't need to reference the obvious, but here are some stats anyway:
One in four women are on mental health drugs (circa 2011).
Anti-Depressant use jumps 65 percent
-- Women Twice As Likely To Use

One final thing. The last line of this story essentially says women are better off alone than with men. Yet anyone who has taken Biology 101 knows the purpose of every species is to reproduce. Why would an article advance an idea that flies in the face of basic biology?

It's long been said that the trouble with journalism is that the people who major in it were the ones too dumb to pass science courses. This story is a prime example of that. The media should question "science" like this, not just regurgitate whatever the press releases claim.
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Journalism nowadays... is all about feeding the hamster.
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The hamster market is the most lucrative on Earth. That's where the money's at!
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(05-26-2019 07:58 AM)squiggly Wrote:  I heard Asia is pretty good.

Indeed it is. Wink

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(05-26-2019 07:43 AM)alphacentauri Wrote:  Wait for the article where they explain that children are happier without parents. Perhaps sitting on the lap of homosexuals.

Children are happiest when their parents are divorced, or in state-run foster homes where they are taught every day to be good citizens of the glorious state.

Every reporter at the Guardian knows that.
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(05-26-2019 09:56 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Of course they're happier. They're all on anti-depressants!

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It's long been said that the trouble with journalism is that the people who major in it were the ones too dumb to pass science courses. This story is a prime example of that. The media should question "science" like this, not just regurgitate whatever the press releases claim.

Most of them are not really dumb, they are ideological zealots that are paid to brainwash the masses, which they do so skillfully.

The UK has had an actual Minister of Loneliness, a curse hitting single middle aged women particularly hard.

This ROK article is worth revisiting here:

https://www.returnofkings.com/116603/20-...-miserable

20 Reasons Why Modern Women Are So Unstable And Miserable


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(05-26-2019 08:28 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  Roosh's post seems to have brought the lurker MGTOW types out in force.

Also those "facts" are bullshit. Catholics who report no pre-marital sex, attend service weekly, and do not use contraception have a divorce rate that's in the 1-3% range.

It's only the modern joke that we call "marriage" that is a disaster.

I wonder if that is controlled for the millenial demographic. Boomer generation I can see this being true for.

Millenials who come from stable, church-going households are a lot more likely to form stable households. Common sense.

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I'd like to read through their sources, studies conducted, and experts referenced.

Nothing says scholarly in this day and age like the words "fucking miserable" in an academic context do.

Of course it's all relative. When you sample a bunch of masculinized women who have to tell their beta cuck husbands how to go down on them, it doesn't take a PhD to guess the feedback they'd give on their happiness.

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(05-26-2019 08:28 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  Roosh's post seems to have brought the lurker MGTOW types out in force.

Also those "facts" are bullshit. Catholics who report no pre-marital sex, attend service weekly, and do not use contraception have a divorce rate that's in the 1-3% range.

It's only the modern joke that we call "marriage" that is a disaster.

I'd point out that this percentage of Catholics may simply be the percentage who will not divorce no matter how miserable they are because they are strict followers, not because they are actually happy being married.

I've seen a couple of absolutely catastrophic conservative Catholic pairings. They will never divorce. She will just get drunk enough to make excuses for making out with doctors at charity balls while her husband frantically looks for her until one of them is dead and the other briefly enjoys a tolerable state.

Happiness was never the point of marriage. Stability was.

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It's hard to argue about the fact that childless women are going to be less happy in their middle and old age. Christmas dinners with their cats, retirement homes with no one visiting them...

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Articles like this are a woman's way of asking: Why are you still listening to me?

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(05-26-2019 09:29 AM)Enoch Wrote:  
(05-26-2019 08:28 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  Roosh's post seems to have brought the lurker MGTOW types out in force.

Also those "facts" are bullshit. Catholics who report no pre-marital sex, attend service weekly, and do not use contraception have a divorce rate that's in the 1-3% range.

It's only the modern joke that we call "marriage" that is a disaster.

I wonder if that is controlled for the millenial demographic. Boomer generation I can see this being true for.

Even without controlling for that it comes out to a massive difference. Average overall is somewhere around 50%, so you're roughly 1/25th as likely to divorce if you follow that program.
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> It is of course a risk but it's the only way to be happy in life. People can say what they want , but wedding is a good way to live a structured life. It s not for nothing that it is considered a sin to have a kid outside wedding. It's your responsibility to marry and turn things around and show the example for other people. If they see a couple with structured life , they will want to marry. Not everything should come from the state.

Oh God a Christian. Brain dead and brain washed and probably molested by a priest (and probably enjoyed it to). Thank God the MGTOW message is getting through to boys and men who are liberating themselves from the feminist-faggot society that has gone to war against them. Getting married is the most dangerous thing a man can do, and avoiding women like the plague is the ultimate vaccine. They have little way of getting at you if they can't get at you through a cunt.
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I can understand women are not content nor happy with limp-wristed soy-boys & other hipster / vegan 'tards.

Still see then eyeing off the Dwayne Johnson & Chris Hemsworth types though...
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