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Short Term Relationship Game is Best It's Ever Been
As I've stated in other threads, I have a tough time getting women to open up, be vulnerable emotionally and generally to trust me for a long term relationship.

However, as far as short term relationships? I have never seen women move faster. I have never seen women more sexually assertive. I have never seen more women total making the first move and sexually escalating.

It's gotten to the point where I expect it. I can predict women's responses so precisely very often that I can literally do absolutely nothing either at home or at the club or bar until at least midnight and then game pops off escalating and climaxing around 1 to 2 AM.

All of the blah blah blah, and cat and mouse games, and long drawn out, protracted feeling out process is compressed into an hour to an hour and a half on weekend nights now.

This is a whole new world where women just don't care about long term relationships anymore. They are hunting for apex males. This doesn't mean they don't want to be in a relationship. It just means their husband or boyfriend is tossed to the side if and once they meet an apex guy.
05-31-2019 10:49 PM
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RE: Short Term Relationship Game is Best It's Ever Been
A bit cynical don't you think?
And I'm from DC...

Don't know where you're from, but live in a different part of the country for a while (A less cosmopolitan / less yuppy city) and don't think so negatively about things. Go to church. You'll find women who are more interested in relationships and marriage. It's going to take some effort to shift your game.

If you have trouble getting women to open up, that's probably on you.
Managing to take a short-term relationship into a long-term one is a very different skill from getting a ONS. Get out of the bar scene, you'll never meet a long-term prospect there. It just isn't done that way anymore.
05-31-2019 11:16 PM
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This is not an issue of cynicism but of observable experience and reality. And no, I don't go to bars and clubs exclusively. I also meet women from social circles as well.

What I've experienced is that if there is a married woman at any social event I attend, she will inevitably make some effort to initiate a sexual relationship. This can mean buying me drinks, giving me her contact information unsolicited, or at least chatting me up for an extended period of time.

The younger the married woman is, and the more attractive she is, the more likely she is to make a move. The same applies for girls in "exclusive" relationships.

The level of loyalty of women is the lowest I've ever seen. Interestingly, they are doing this right in front of their husbands very often. They just don't care. The ones who are traveling without their husbands, forget about it. They act exactly like single women. In their minds, they might as well be.

I would rather not tell you about my experiences with church women. Yes, they are much better than girls who don't attend church. That is certainly true. Any more than that, I'd rather not say.

btw, I live in a smallish city with a population of around 150K, but it feels smaller. Relationships tend towards the conservative, so think about what it's like in a more liberal/cosmopolitan city as you put it.
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(05-31-2019 11:35 PM)copperwire Wrote:  This is not an issue of cynicism but of observable experience and reality. And no, I don't go to bars and clubs exclusively. I also meet women from social circles as well.

What I've experienced is that if there is a married woman at any social event I attend, she will inevitably make some effort to initiate a sexual relationship. This can mean buying me drinks, giving me her contact information unsolicited, or at least chatting me up for an extended period of time.

The younger the married woman is, and the more attractive she is, the more likely she is to make a move. The same applies for girls in "exclusive" relationships.

The level of loyalty of women is the lowest I've ever seen. Interestingly, they are doing this right in front of their husbands very often. They just don't care. The ones who are traveling without their husbands, forget about it. They act exactly like single women. In their minds, they might as well be.

I would rather not tell you about my experiences with church women. Yes, they are much better than girls who don't attend church. That is certainly true. Any more than that, I'd rather not say.

btw, I live in a smallish city with a population of around 150K, but it feels smaller. Relationships tend towards the conservative, so think about what it's like in a more liberal/cosmopolitan city as you put it.

Pretty cynical still even coming from a small town. My relationships/marriage were never like that. I've met plenty of guys who can't get respect from their wives. It has nothing to do with society, probably a lot to say about them actually... Most of these guys you can clearly see what's going on and why the wife has checked out.

Unfortunately, there are a shit ton of couples out there that are going through the motions just for their kids or because neither are brave enough to cut it off. Millennials in particular are of this trope... our parents were divorced, we refuse to be even if we're unhappy. Divorce rates are decreasing despite marriages being more and more meaningless without god/kids.
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(05-31-2019 11:57 PM)FullThrottleTX Wrote:  
(05-31-2019 11:35 PM)copperwire Wrote:  This is not an issue of cynicism but of observable experience and reality. And no, I don't go to bars and clubs exclusively. I also meet women from social circles as well.

What I've experienced is that if there is a married woman at any social event I attend, she will inevitably make some effort to initiate a sexual relationship. This can mean buying me drinks, giving me her contact information unsolicited, or at least chatting me up for an extended period of time.

The younger the married woman is, and the more attractive she is, the more likely she is to make a move. The same applies for girls in "exclusive" relationships.

The level of loyalty of women is the lowest I've ever seen. Interestingly, they are doing this right in front of their husbands very often. They just don't care. The ones who are traveling without their husbands, forget about it. They act exactly like single women. In their minds, they might as well be.

I would rather not tell you about my experiences with church women. Yes, they are much better than girls who don't attend church. That is certainly true. Any more than that, I'd rather not say.

btw, I live in a smallish city with a population of around 150K, but it feels smaller. Relationships tend towards the conservative, so think about what it's like in a more liberal/cosmopolitan city as you put it.

Pretty cynical still even coming from a small town. My relationships/marriage were never like that. I've met plenty of guys who can't get respect from their wives. It has nothing to do with society, probably a lot to say about them actually... Most of these guys you can clearly see what's going on and why the wife has checked out.

Unfortunately, there are a shit ton of couples out there that are going through the motions just for their kids or because neither are brave enough to cut it off. Millennials in particular are of this trope... our parents were divorced, we refuse to be even if we're unhappy. Divorce rates are decreasing despite marriages being more and more meaningless without god/kids.

So you're just going to completely ignore reality and just rewrite the same post over and over again. Got it lol.

These wives have not 'checked out.' To the contrary, they are quite happy with their husbands and vice versa. However, this doesn't mean they are opposed to stepping out and initiating a sexual relationship with a man they find significantly more attractive.

It's not either/or.

Waiting for "uh you're so cynical..." reply.
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The best thing that a men who married a whore can do, is to let her whore around, and document that stuff (private investigator). Divorce is much easier with some evidence.
06-01-2019 09:24 AM
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(06-01-2019 09:24 AM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  The best thing that a men who married a whore can do, is to let her whore around, and document that stuff (private investigator). Divorce is much easier with some evidence.

If there's any physical bookstores around there's a book with a white and yellow cover with large black print titled "The Private Investigator's Handbook" which is a great overview of what this sort of documenting can do.

I would not count on doing any surveillance using methods from the book and the technical parts on computer surveillance and evading surveillance seem woefully dated. The recipe for handling a cheating wife situation the book offers however is the winning strategy.

  1. Don't blow up on her or confront her about her treachery, stay in your stoic place
  2. Hire a lawyer and investigator, let the investigator collect and let the lawyer make sure everything is admissable
  3. When her treachery has been profoundly documented have her professionally served. Alongside the service maybe have an incredibly favorable to you settlement offer delivered as well.

Avoiding confrontation with her is probably the hardest part. It is the part that the emotions and masculine instincts are going to most rebel against. However, in the very femme courts, it is the only way to avoid giving her the opportunity to reverse the situation and take everything.
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Why can't I post a thread?
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(06-01-2019 09:24 AM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  The best thing that a men who married a whore can do, is to let her whore around, and document that stuff (private investigator). Divorce is much easier with some evidence.

Not if youre in a "no fault" divorce state. She could be doing porn without your consent and it means diddly

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(06-01-2019 01:12 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(06-01-2019 09:24 AM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  The best thing that a men who married a whore can do, is to let her whore around, and document that stuff (private investigator). Divorce is much easier with some evidence.

Not if youre in a "no fault" divorce state. She could be doing porn without your consent and it means diddly

Every state in the US has no-fault divorce laws on the books (New York was the last place to adopt it).

An adversarial at-fault divorce petition is still an option in all but a few states. This is very much need to consult a lawyer stuff, but the best case scenario for a man is going to almost always involve gathering a pile of evidence and committing to an at-fault divorce, even when she lawyers up and tries to settle for a no-fault alternative.

Depending on the state and the particular judge, the man can still get shafted but the maxim that the best defense is a good offense. The divorce petition should resemble a criminal indictment and the pursuit should resemble a prosecution.
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I was told that if the wife tries to kick you out during a divorce, never leave on your own. Make her call the cops and be told you have to leave and document it. You will commit abandonment..according to the courts and hurt yourself royally.
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"The level of loyalty of women is the lowest I've ever seen. Interestingly, they are doing this right in front of their husbands very often. They just don't care. The ones who are traveling without their husbands, forget about it. They act exactly like single women. In their minds, they might as well be."

As much as I've seen, even I'm still surprised by how true this is sometimes. They know the guy either isn't going to care, or is incapable of walking away from her even if he does. This is the result of one partner having 100% of the power in a relationship.

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(06-03-2019 04:20 PM)BlackFriar Wrote:  I was told that if the wife tries to kick you out during a divorce, never leave on your own. Make her call the cops and be told you have to leave and document it. You will commit abandonment..according to the courts and hurt yourself royally.

All sounds good in theory - I am assuming that you've never been through divorce.
In practice it looks different - all depends on circumstances if your soon to be ex is alco or drug addict then staying in the house is not an option (abuse, Police, Ambulances)

You have to remember that due to political correctness Police treats female differently than male (and I am writing this from my own experience, been through difficult divorce)

But yes if you can stay in the house stay in the house and fight for it!
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(06-01-2019 01:12 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(06-01-2019 09:24 AM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  The best thing that a men who married a whore can do, is to let her whore around, and document that stuff (private investigator). Divorce is much easier with some evidence.

Not if youre in a "no fault" divorce state. She could be doing porn without your consent and it means diddly

I've been through a divorce with a cheating wife in a no fault state.

I will say that while from a legal perspective you are correct, judges are human and when you can show your wife is running around behind your back it all of a sudden you get a lot more leeway on things. There are still tons of things that matter a lot to your life that are determined by a judge besides asset divisions. I'm telling you her chances for alimony and shit like that drop to damn near zero and if you got kids together and she is a proven liar and cheat... suddenly coparenting with no child support is an achievable request.
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