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Just finish the last section of my book, the future tenses. With about 700ish (not counting all the different forms of the infinitives) words, and most of the basic grammer, I realized that I now 'get' 90% of my favorite salsa songs (usually a very bad breakup lol). These are those booms that I live for. Now I just need to get more words i don't know, slang, listening, and making those sounds myself. Man this is fun!
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07-04-2019 09:34 AM
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(07-02-2019 05:40 AM)fktax Wrote:  What helped you guys to stop "freezing" mid conversation?

I can often start a conversation, answer a few questions back and forth, then somehow my brain just goes on lock down and I don't have any words anymore.

Is this part of the process? Is there some exercise that can help with this?

I'd say it's part of the process. It's important to find people who are patient with you when you still suck at the language, and it's important to power through and not worry about looking like a moron sometimes. It's inevitable, and you need to talk to native speakers a lot to learn.

Bad (insert name of language here) game is something you can do with the local girls if you're in country. I had a lot of success with Bad Spanish and Bad Russian game. They often think it's adorable and/or hilarious to listen to a foreign guy butcher their language, or at least that was my experience as an American in Latin America and FSU.

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07-04-2019 01:17 PM
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I’m a native English speaker like most of the guys on this forum and currently I’m trying to master two Romance languages that are fairly similar to each other.

In my experience, the only really way to actually master a language is to constantly talk with locals. Usually, I find native speakers to talk to via Skype on sites like mylanguageexchange.com and Interpals.net. Occasionally, I’ll pay to talk with a tutor on verbling.com.

I am surprised at just how many people are unable to learn a language even after living in a country that speaks it every time and from what I can tell, all of these people do not immerse themselves into the culture and make an effort to always talk in the language.

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Going to try to learn Polish. Every local advises me against it. Should be a good challenge Big Grin
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Living in the country where the language you want to learn is the best advice to learn a new language.
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(07-04-2019 03:37 PM)Kentemo Wrote:  Going to try to learn Polish. Every local advises me against it. Should be a good challenge Big Grin

Do it. If I was able to learn Russian, you should be able to do Polish. From what I've heard Polish is even harder, but still.

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07-09-2019 12:15 AM
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So I just had a super exciting thought pop into my head. Learn Spanish, move to Colombia, get as close to native as I can, learn french through Spanish. Has anyone done anything like this? What was it like?
07-09-2019 01:22 PM
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(07-09-2019 01:22 PM)whitewashedblackguy Wrote:  So I just had a super exciting thought pop into my head. Learn Spanish, move to Colombia, get as close to native as I can, learn french through Spanish. Has anyone done anything like this? What was it like?

As long as my ears have some time listening to warm up I can understand most of what I hear within a certain margin of error after learning Spanish and living in an area that gets quite a bit of tourism from Brasileros and Brasileras.

French though is still opaque to me. Spanish, Italian, and Portuguese are all very latin languages. French though is something else.
07-09-2019 05:53 PM
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That's not what I mean. I mean using a Spanish-French grammar book (Manual de gramática francesa is what I think I would use.)
07-09-2019 06:02 PM
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(07-09-2019 06:02 PM)whitewashedblackguy Wrote:  That's not what I mean. I mean using a Spanish-French grammar book (Manual de gramática francesa is what I think I would use.)

When I was learning German I already knew Italian at an advanced level, so I found consulting an Italian-German dictionary helpful sometimes when I knew how to express something more simply in Italian than English, or just to compare the translation of a German word in both English and Italian.

Some of my Russian friends in the US have studied Spanish with material written in English for Americans, but I think that was more because it's harder to find material for learning Spanish in Russian. I've never heard of anyone intentionally trying to learn a third language through their second language. Seems like it wouldn't be the most efficient way to approach it, but who knows.

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I'll be finding out.

By the way, if anyone reading this wants to learn spanish grammer, I recommend Dos Mundos. Great book that has treated me well.
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(07-10-2019 08:18 AM)bucky Wrote:  Some of my Russian friends in the US have studied Spanish with material written in English for Americans, but I think that was more because it's harder to find material for learning Spanish in Russian. I've never heard of anyone intentionally trying to learn a third language through their second language. Seems like it wouldn't be the most efficient way to approach it, but who knows.

It depends on the language.

I'm currently in the early stages of learning Cantonese via Standard Chinese, and their focus on the subtle but important differences between Mandarin and Canto allows me to make the most of my prior knowledge without conflating them.

There's a lot consistent logic explaining the otherwise radical differences in pronouncation, allowing me to learn rules that shortcut a big chunk of the struggle I'd face if I used English to learn.

I've heard the same about Korean and Japanese
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(07-10-2019 04:43 PM)Hephaestus Wrote:  It depends on the language.

I'm currently in the early stages of learning Cantonese via Standard Chinese, and their focus on the subtle but important differences between Mandarin and Canto allows me to make the most of my prior knowledge without conflating them.

There's a lot consistent logic explaining the otherwise radical differences in pronouncation, allowing me to learn rules that shortcut a big chunk of the struggle I'd face if I used English to learn.

I've heard the same about Korean and Japanese

That makes sense. I can see how Korean could help with Japanese (particles, grammar). As long as they're kinda related, and you got the first language on lock, it should be smooth sailing.
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A small tip I have is to set the language on your phone (or laptop or any other type of device) to the one you want to learn. I tried this and at the start it was complicated and annoying to be outside of my comfort zone.

But whenever I saw a word or sentence I didn't understand I found the translation online. I went through all the different words I could find on my phone through different apps (copy, select, select all, paste, like, comment, views etc) and I believe seeing these words so regularly every time I check my phone has made a significant difference. Some words more useful than others but good thing to do regardless.
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If you want to learn Latin, I recommend the following approach.

1. Get Wheelock's Latin. It is a standard Introductory Latin course written in the 1950s by Frederic M. Wheelock. It's exercise section contains all real sentences from classical Latin and some medieval Latin texts to practice the grammar sections.


https://www.amazon.com/Wheelocks-Latin-7...=8-2-spell

2. Type unknown Latin words into the below Wiktionary search page. For nouns and adjectives, it gives the complete declension forms, and for verbs you get the full conjugation structure for verbs (by clicking on "more").

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page


3. The Translations for the exercises are not included in the book, but you can get them by typing in one of the sentences. Other people have put on the answers on the Internet and you can always find them.

Here is an example.

Type in all or part of "Iam vero cognovimus istas mentes duras ferrum pro pace offerre".

Here is what it pulls up. It pulls up all the translations for the "Practice and Review" section of Chapter 31.

https://quizlet.com/3146547/wheelocks-la...ash-cards/

This is a good approach to learning Latin. I am already able to read sections of Julius Caesar and Cicero.

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(07-02-2019 05:40 AM)fktax Wrote:  What helped you guys to stop "freezing" mid conversation?

I can often start a conversation, answer a few questions back and forth, then somehow my brain just goes on lock down and I don't have any words anymore.

Is this part of the process? Is there some exercise that can help with this?

Part of the process, I think. Just keep hacking away at it and you'll get it eventually. Learning languages is hard and there's no way around that.

Incidentally, I always found it much easier to speak a foreign language with a girlfriend than anyone else. To the point that I felt like my "girlfriend Russian" or "girlfriend Spanish" was a level or so better than my Russian or Spanish with other native speakers.

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