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RE: Eschatology: Mark of the Beast, Great Tribulation, Second Coming
(06-09-2019 08:22 PM)TheBoom Wrote:  They won't sacrifice to save their society.

Why would they? The society is the sacrifice.

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(06-09-2019 06:27 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Another theory I've read about the mark is that it will be accompanied by some sort of DNA modification medical treatment. People will undergo this treatment, which will most likely be presented (perhaps truthfully) as a way to slow or eliminate the aging process and/or greatly enhance normal human mental and physical abilities. Taking the mark would be the price of receiving the treatment and becoming an enhanced human. The interesting thing about this theory is that it provides an easy explanation for why taking the mark immediately results in permanent damnation: because once a person's DNA is no longer human, they are no longer able to be redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ, who was both man (human) and God.

I really like this theory, because the only time God regretted creating mankind is when their DNA was corrupted by demons and the nephilim dominated the Earth. He wiped out everyone except 8 people. It would make sense that doing that again would enact his fury.

Quote:3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 The Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the [f]sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

Genesis 6:3-68 (NASB)

CRISPR is making steady advances, and three CRISPR humans are being born: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/21/china-aw...thics.html

CRISPR can easily be marketed as a "rejuvenation" therapy with "no side effects." Women are already doing "vampire facials", where they smear their own blood over their abraded face, so I would guess that DNA therapy is a lower barrier of entry. (Unfortunately, some women who underwent the vampire facial procedure contracted HIV: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/heal...637391002/)

As a sidenote, an interesting theological question is if CRISPR humans can be eternally saved.

Quote:As for why the Anti-Christ would present himself as being of alien origin, I believe this would not only create a massive "shock and awe" effect (especially in conjunction with the supernatural powers he will put on display) but would be one of the few presentations that would appeal to people across the entire world and at all levels of sophistication, intelligence and wealth. It also explains the copious amount of UFO/Alien predictive programming over the past several decades.

This propaganda has been ramping up in the past couple of years. The US Government is allowing pilots to share their "close sightings" with UFOs to media reporters. They are not declassifying things out of kindness. It has psyop written all over it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/us/po...ilots.html

Now I want to mention a theory, something I can't possibly verify. I believe that many world governments do experiments with psychedelics to explore other dimensions. They have figured out the right dosage and mix of drugs to create encounters with "advanced" beings who then give them instructions for ways at world domination (high technology). Alex Jones talked about this in his last podcast with Joe Rogan, and how when we do what the beings instruct, things work. If this is true, those beings must be demons. In other words, it's very possible that this "world system" of "globalization" is not just Satanic in spirit, but also in formulation.

(06-09-2019 05:49 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  Roosh it's impressive how you've become quite a scholar in such a short time.

Far from it. Please don't give me undue credit. I'm a student like everyone else.

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This is a very interesting thread, and I regret that I can't go into more detail right this second. Roosh/Scorpion, I disagree with both of you. I hold to a view called Preterism, which argues that Revelation refers to first century events (e.g. the Neronic persecution and concerns about Nero revived).

Revelation itself is an extremely odd text in the original Greek. John of Patmos clearly wasn't a native Greek speaker, and the physical writing reflects it.

"For you yourselves are aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night" (1 Thess. 5:2)
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I don't see how Preterism holds water, because "immediately" after the Tribulation, in which the temple gets destroyed, Jesus will appear without ambiguity:

Quote:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 24:29-34 (NKJV)

It's one of those things that would make "Where were you on 9/11?" memories look puny.

The explanation that Jesus did actually come back at 70 AD, but wasn't noticed, or that his coming wasn't recorded properly, is unconvincing.

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I was guided to this book a couple of months ago, but it only turned up two weeks ago, so I haven't read it yet. It was written in the late 1880's, so it's possible there's a free version online somewhere.

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The blurb on the back says it contains:

- the signs that will precede the world's end

- The coming of the Antichrist, and how to recognise him

- Biblical end times prophecy: how to read it and not be deceived

It's pouring rain here, so I'm going to sit and read a couple of chapters and see if there's anything useful.

EDIT: Or not... "Available for the first time in English."
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There is so much nonsense in the 'christian' world when it comes to the end times. Early Christians understood what was written by John in the Apocalypse as pertaining to events 'shortly' to come in "their generation" as Christ prophesied in Mathew 24.

This centered on the destruction of the temple in AD 70 and the passing of one covenant to another. The historic church for the most part has advocated for amillenialism (we are in the millennium) as well.

In reformed protestant circles they refer to it as partial- preterism. You can go watch some really good presentations on the subject on youtube by the likes of RC Sproul, Gary Demar, and Dr. Kenneth Gentry. I would stay clear of the fake end times 'rapture theology' you hear coming out of modern day evangelical churches because it has no basis in the bible/church history.
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A quick flick suggests 'City of God, Book 20' by St Augustine, and the teachings of Saint Robert Bellarmine. I remember watching this a year or so back, but I wasn't drawn to order his book, 'Antichrist' - I don't find the end times subject-hugely interesting myself, even though I suspect we might be heading into it - but I did end up drawn to order his Catechism, though his 'Disputationes' has always been outside of my price range.

See if anything in here is of use:



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(06-09-2019 11:05 PM)Roosh Wrote:  The explanation that Jesus did actually come back at 70 AD, but wasn't noticed, or that his coming wasn't recorded properly, is unconvincing.


I think this article explains it better than I can: https://probe.org/a-preterist-responds-t...evelation/

Also, I'm happy you're reading the Bible, but I'd strongly encourage using either the New Jerusalem Bible or the New Revised Standard Version. They're the most faithful to the original Hebrew/Greek's meaning. The KJV is a masterpiece of the English language, but relies upon outdated manuscripts.

"For you yourselves are aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night" (1 Thess. 5:2)
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So is there a consensus on evangelism here? Is it the blind flock? I find many of them saying that "2000 years of blindness" will be lifted off of Jewish eyes when the savior returns at Megiddo. This is why they believe that no matter what Israel does, it can do no wrong, its in their eschatological beliefs not to question the chosenites. I don't know how they came to this conclusion, but there was a C-grade movie that showed pretty much the evangelical interpretation of the end times, called Megiddo: The Omega Code 2. It was somewhat cringey, but not blue pill at all. It's interesting and shows what they believe will be the anti-christ, the future leader of the EU.

https://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/...ucts_id=44

you can also watch it on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQxq7cmeiq8

After watching it I was prompted to do my own research into this seven trumpets and the coming of the light. I believe that if the events align up to where Israel is surrounded by foreign nations bombarding it and a "final" battle takes place at Megiddo as the evangelists believe, then the purported anti-christ (head of EU) is not the real anti-christ, but a mockery. Just made to look like one. This is what the deception is, if this turn of events takes place. The real anti-christ, is the one coming down into the battle out of the heavens made to look like Christ, but it is his inversion, the beast. Then the great deception will occur, which succeeds the first "deception" into tricking the world into believing that the anti-christ is the EU leader. Because most of the world will believe that it is Jesus returning out of the clouds and this is why so many will be deceived. The first 42 months will not be so bad, but then the mark will come. Followed by the 42 months of tribulation until the real Christ comes back.

I have nothing against evangelists, I just feel sorry for how they are doing everything for a tiny foreign bandit state and not understanding separation of geopolitics and religious theater.

Or all of us could be wrong (humans as a collective) and all this religious infighting is just how our primordial brains perpetuate our existence because we cannot escape our fate. Every globalist will die just as every one of us will some day, and all the clowning to achieve immortality through transhumanism is just a feeble grasp at a delusion that some (((people))) will never get over.

I really can't say. I know God is real, and I know Jesus' presence and his power, but none of the religious texts make much sense to me in these trying times.
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The mark of the beast - when I lived in Vegas, the local Smith's (and I think Vons too) had a little peg off the side of the credit card machine. I asked what it was for, and the woman said that some soldiers had a chip implanted in the back of their right hand that allowed them to pay by scanning it. I haven't been back in years so I don't know if they're still there or if it was a test program.
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I read the two chapters in the book on the Antichrist - the Antichrist will be self-evident by his doing great miracles, completely-ruling the world, and by the Jews hailing him as Messiah. The Mark of the Beast won't happen by stealth, you'll know full well what you are doing when you take it - out of obedience or fear you make the decision to reject God - which would match the natural law's teachings on Free Will and be Just.

I started listening to that video I posted, and his 'previously on...' summary grabbed my full attention, because *that* sounds more like where we are: the time known as the Great Apostasy, where Western Society turns its back on God, and the social order collapses because of it.

I couldn't find the previous talk on the Sensus Fidelium channel itself, but I suspect this video from another channel might be it. I'll have a listen and see if it sounds like where we currently are.





That 'shooting pool' story is good advice.

I loved this in 'The End of The Present World':

Quote:"Do our enemies not have a presentiment of [Christianity's Great Victory]? Does not a secret instinct warn them that their days of power are numbered, and that time time given to them to prevail cannot be of long duration? This is why they enlist in the war they wage against the Church. All the hateful corruption, all the hypocrites anxious to drop their masks, all the hostile sciences, all the shady and godless politics. The revolution boldly raises it standard against religion, property and the family; saps the foundation of the social structure; and mounts it attacks on us simultaneously, and on every front. The press, freed from every restraint, disseminates the most subversive doctrines and the deadliest poisons in a thousand organs."

Remember, he's speaking in the 1880's, yet correctly-predicting the targets that Socialism will attack to tear down society in the coming century, and identifies press subversion for the threat is will turn into.
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(06-09-2019 04:31 PM)Roosh Wrote:  But how will the mark look like? Some people say it will be a number "666" or a word that somehow can be coded for that number. In the middle of last night, I woke up from a dream that I can't remember, and the words "Pride" and "Love" came to my mind. These words could be candidates for the mark, because they are "positive" words that already many misguided Christians have subscribed to.

Kanji for the word "Love":





How many women have we "made love" to who have this on their bodies?

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I would be careful with a full preterist interpretation of scripture pertaining to eschatology. This clearly is a heretical position held by only a handful of people in reformed protestant circles.

We need to compare apples to apples here. The coming of Christ in AD 70 is understood as a 'judgement' coming, not a physical one that has yet to take place at the end of time.

The description of Christ 'coming in the clouds' in the first chapter of the Apocalypse is the same 'judgement' language found in the Old Testament. For example, God is described as coming down on and 'riding a swift' cloud when he judged Egypt.

This doesn't mean he physically came down, and in the same vein St. Johns apocalyptic vision is to be understood this way. The prophet was clearly invoking the same old testament language and imagery that was understood by the first century christians as things that were to take place 'shortly' in Gods judgement against Jerusalem.
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(06-09-2019 11:30 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  A quick flick suggests 'City of God, Book 20' by St Augustine

I pulled out my dusty copy to check this.

From a quick scan, there is very little about "the mark".

There are more thoughts on the Antichrist.

Here are some notes:

- the worship of the beast / receiving his mark should be understood to refer to the living and the dead alike (so people who lived before the "mark" appears physically could still bear the mark based on their beliefs/actions and will be judged accordingly)

- the beast may represent the godless city, and the people of the unbelievers

- the beast's "image" could mean his "pretence" (those people who profess the faith but live the lives of unbelievers)

- it's not just the open enemies of Christ who belong to the beast, there are also the "tares" which will be taken from the Church

- "do not receive his mark" refers to the sign of guilt, "on their foreheads" because of their profession, "on their hands" because of their activities

- Augustine says Paul is speaking of the Antichrist in 2 Thessalonians 2: 1-12

- he also says that although some people believe the Antichrist was a reference to Nero, he doesn't agree

- many antichrists will come, ending in a final Antichrist, referencing John 2: 18
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(06-10-2019 02:23 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  I pulled out my dusty copy to check this.

From a quick scan, there is very little about "the mark".

Odd. I double-checked, but, yes, the book suggests Book 20.

I've been unable to find a complete copy of 'City of God'. I seem to end up with Vintage Parts of an Incomplete Set, none of which add up to make a complete set. I bought a newer edition that turned out to be greatly-abridged, whilst not being labelled as such, excising anything related to demonology and the spiritual reality.

I thought those two videos listed above were great, particularly the Apostasy one.

Some notes from 'The End of the World':

- Of jewish parents
- Jews will claim him as the Messiah (1)
- His followers will submit to circumsision
- Will parody Jesus' works
- Will aim to replace God and demand worship
- Will have absolute dominion over the world
- There will be no freedom allowed except to do evil
- He will survive a fatal head wound and appear to be resurrected
- Will call down fire from heaven
- Free thinkers and skeptics will believe him due to their presumption and credibility
- His followers turn to Necromancy and Divination
- Very proud
- Will abolish customs and laws
- Suppress feast days, change calendars and weekdays
- Ban the Cross as a religious symbol
- Created a lax and guideless education system
- All world leaders will bend the knee
- The mark of the beast is a mysterious character on forehead or on the right hand
- It will be a choice to reject God made out of fear or love
- Brother will hand over brother, father will hand over son for execution
- Will choose Jerusalem as his seat of power
- He reigns for 3 1/2 years from when he gains full worldly power
- Two prophets return to oppose him
- These prophets will unveil the Jews who will reconcile with Christians
- A master of deceit, violence and seduction, so will even fool the elect
- All infidels, heretics, secretariats and depraved will unite under his banner to persecute the True Church

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(06-10-2019 02:53 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  
(06-10-2019 02:23 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  I pulled out my dusty copy to check this.

From a quick scan, there is very little about "the mark".

Odd. I double-checked, but, yes, the book suggests Book 20.

It's the correct chapter -- that is where Augustine talks about Revelations.

I just meant that the notes that followed were pretty much the only things that were mentioned about the mark of the beast.
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(06-10-2019 12:04 AM)Truth Teller Wrote:  Also, I'm happy you're reading the Bible, but I'd strongly encourage using either the New Jerusalem Bible or the New Revised Standard Version. They're the most faithful to the original Hebrew/Greek's meaning. The KJV is a masterpiece of the English language, but relies upon outdated manuscripts.

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I recommend to any interested to do some research on the strategic misinterpretations of the doctrines, missing verses and calculated subversions in many modern bible translations.
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Regarding DNA manipulation:

God stopped creating anything on this earth a long time ago except one thing - a new soul at the conception of a new human. I believe this is partly why sexuality (all facets around the relationship of male and female, motherhood, fatherhood, pregnancy, abortion etc etc) is under such attack by the devil. This is the topic for another post though.

Lets say that scientists (with diabolic help) managed to create a "human" body through means other than male / female procreation such that God refused to create a spirit/soul for it. The devil would then be free to occupy it 100% as it was not made in Gods image.
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(06-09-2019 10:17 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Now I want to mention a theory, something I can't possibly verify. I believe that many world governments do experiments with psychedelics to explore other dimensions. They have figured out the right dosage and mix of drugs to create encounters with "advanced" beings who then give them instructions for ways at world domination (high technology). Alex Jones talked about this in his last podcast with Joe Rogan, and how when we do what the beings instruct, things work. If this is true, those beings must be demons. In other words, it's very possible that this "world system" of "globalization" is not just Satanic in spirit, but also in formulation.


Roosh, 2 important questions towards you regarding this important theory:

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Many RVF members in the years past talked exactly about this topic in the DMT and Ayahuasca threads, and/or started threads related to the world elites ruling the earth through their constant contact with demons by using very advanced use of psychedelics. Some have even theorized on this forum they are working on new technologies to open portrals to bring these demons into our world. Are you familiar with these old threads on RVF ?

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Knowing that hallucinogenics can put you in contact with evil spirits that give you hidden information...can you be sure what you saw or heard or experienced while taking mushrooms was not something demonic that was impersonating something holy ? Satan himself was angel of God before the fall. The word "lucifer" means "light bringer". His greatest powers have always been in the ways of deception and offering people shortcuts. Are you 100% sure what you experienced was really genuinely coming from God, and not a trick ?
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For the mark of the beast it could well be a blatantly physical mark, although I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. It could quite well be a mark on the soul which is visible to everyone through the metaphorical "right hand" and "forehead".

The right hand can be thought of as the acting force of will that one outwardly exudes onto the world. This you would consider as someones actions. They will be known by their fruits. Jesus sits at the right hand of God, and was the force that God sent into the world.

The forehead has been considered center to the mind which is why we see the all-seeing eye in the center of the forehead. It's what Hindus call the "ajna center". This you would consider as someones way of thinking, someones worldview, what they worship or who they follow.

I think in the end times there will be a huge shift in the spiritual realm where the volume knob is turned up 10x. You will not need a physical mark to discern where peoples alliances lie. It will be blatantly obvious by their actions and what comes out of their mind. Indeed we already see it now. Gays are not getting banned from paypal...

There will be many Christians looking for a literal 666 on the hand and forehead. I hope for them that there is, otherwise they will find themselves in trouble.
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RE: Eschatology: Mark of the Beast, Great Tribulation, Second Coming
The concept of a pretribulation rapture is false and a lie that will fool most of the hardcore Christians to believe they weren't good enough to be saved before the trials.

There is no biblical explanation for such a concept and it came about during the 19th century (eg the great awakening) . I pissed off a few folks with that one.

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RE: Eschatology: Mark of the Beast, Great Tribulation, Second Coming
(06-10-2019 03:07 AM)Sword and Board Wrote:  Laugh4

I recommend to any interested to do some research on the strategic misinterpretations of the doctrines, missing verses and calculated subversions in many modern bible translations.

I can read the original Greek and Hebrew and have also worked with facsimilies of the earliest manuscripts of the NT. The KJV relies very heavily on a textual tradition that we now know is less original than the Alexandrian text type (closest to the original).

"For you yourselves are aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night" (1 Thess. 5:2)
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RE: Eschatology: Mark of the Beast, Great Tribulation, Second Coming
Roosh consider that the mark of the beast and many of the events in Revelation already have happened - particularly with the Roman's destroying the Temple in 70 AD.

The ancient historian Josephus writes about this and events surrounding it if you haven't read him yet.

For more information: https://infogalactic.com/info/Preterism

You mention that it doesnt seem to hold water because Jesus didnt "come back". He did. Look at how his Kingdom has been established and gone forth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmillennialism


Remember the Left Behind interpretation of Revelation, Mathew 24, Daniel, etc is relatively new one that took a foothold with Evangelicals and Baptists in the 1830s.

Most of the Church throughout history didnt have this interpretation - despite incoming events and conquests that made it seen like the end of the world was nigh - even during the "Prophets of Doom" era in Munster during the Reformation.

Basically there are 4 different ways to look at it.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/mill.cfm

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RE: Eschatology: Mark of the Beast, Great Tribulation, Second Coming
Heterosexuals should reclaim the rainbow. The phenomenon of viewing a rainbow is one of the most magnificent sights to see on Planet Earth. We as a society have allowed ourselves to relinquish the beauty and grandeur to a set of Sodomites, effectively tarnishing the idea of one of the greatest phenomena in the world. At the very least, return the rainbow to the leprechauns.
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RE: Eschatology: Mark of the Beast, Great Tribulation, Second Coming
There is overwhelming evidence that the Book Of Revelations was written well after 70AD:

http://www.evidenceunseen.com/bible-diff...evelation/

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