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(06-09-2019 05:14 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  "The texts and scholars of Islam teach that all Muslims must strive for global domination at all times

That part of the Muslim religion is why all non-Muslims in the world have conflicts with Islam. Especially since far too many Muslims seriously and consciously believe in and pursue this.

This is why Islam is a political ideology for world conquest and the pursuit of geopolitical goals instead of a religion of any form ...

"And guess what, you might have a feeling that youre destined for something else, and that any day now it will dawn on you, but it will remain that, just a feeling that you use as a crutch to never focus on anything", Beirut.
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I'm with some others here on the orthodox Preterist interpretation of Matthew 24 and most of Revelation. On the other hand, I think that Roosh and Scorpion raise valid points about how things like one-world government and genetic engineering could be used by satanic forces. I just don't think it necessarily cleanly lines up with with the relevant scripture passages.

I definitely think some bad stuff is going to go down, but I don't know exactly what it's going to look like.
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Scotians theory of DNA manipulation intrigued me. We are inevitably going to reach that point and science fiction has included it in many fiction stories over the years so it is already in the sub-concious of many.

Further to this a new game is coming out next year that sort of glorifies body modifications called Cyberpunk 2077. This isn't related to DNA manipulation but it could be considered a stepping stone?

They could be conditioning people for this based on what we know.
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About the (apparently unstoppable?) progression of the nefarious (satanist?) gay ideology:
For the first time, the Global Establishment organized yesterday a gay-pride in France's Muslim neighborhoods.

https://www.lci.fr/population/saint-deni...23536.html
https://youtu.be/gl-m9rqGpwY

These last years, the lesbian crowd had not dared stage their "gay-pride" in Muslim areas, but, now they've done it. No-one is safe from them.

Just like there was I think a gay-pride in Serbia, on orthodox land. So, the LGBT Corruptors of Civilization, having almost won over the Catholic church, are now boldly targeting Orthodox and Muslim lands.
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In another thread last year, I posted my modern take on God's hellfire destruction of the faggot ruled cities of Sodom and Gomorrah from the biblical book of genesis.
Am re-posting it again (and Horus' original post I replied to) as it seems very relevant here.


(12-21-2018 04:22 AM)Horus Wrote:  At the beginning of the gay rights movement, it was all about ending discrimination regardless of the way that God/nature had made them. They just wanted the right to live their lives without interference from zealous busybodies trying to stick their noses into matters which were none of their business. It was difficult to argue with - even if you were disgusted by their lifestyle, it makes sense to treat everyone with respect as long as they are not causing any harm.

Then as soon as they got what they were asking for, it's like the dam was burst and there was a cascade of unforseen consequences. Gays in the military. Drag queens in schools. Anal sex in sex ed. Tranny bathrooms. Mothers encouraging their sons to be transgender. Deviants prancing around the streets in leather BDSM gear in front of children in their "pride" parades. Gays adopting children. Gay wedding cakes controversy. Now this platonic parenting heresy. And coming to a Western country soon, paedophile acceptance.

Is almost as if our ancestors have been through this before in various forms, and the ancient prohibition of homosexuality was the result of accumulated wisdom from the experience of what happens when gays are allowed to be out and proud. It's nothing to do with hate and everything to do with keeping societies healthy. Sure, that sucks for gays who can't help the way they were born, and I don't want to see them being punished or facing harm for the way they are. But it's necessary for them to stay strictly in the closet, to keep their degeneracy well away from prying eyes, and to be in no doubt that if they flaunt their lifestyle they will face unpleasant consequences.


In the biblical story of God's hellfire destruction of the twin cities of Sodom and Gomorrah there is a story in there that alludes to what you are saying.

The main protangonist is a man named Lot is visited by 2 (very good looking male) angels who are sent by God to to warn him and his family to get out of the city of degenerate sodomites before God destroys it. However, many faggots in the city saw the good looking angels walking to Lot's house and come to pay him a visit, demanding to have anal sex with the angels.

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Lot refuses to let the homos into his house...but offers BOTH his HB10 VIRGIN daughters to the mad crowd of faggots. The sodomites refuse. That's right they refuse sex with Lot's 2 HB10 virgin daughters because they want butt sex with the male angels from God. When Lot stands his ground, the faggots get angry, call more of their homo friends across town, and soon an enormous gay pride parade is pounding at Lot's door demanding butt sex with God's angels.

[Image: the-men-of-Sodom-blindness.jpg]

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The angels take charge of the situation, come out of Lot's house, and with their superpowers blind the eyesight of every member of the crazy gay pride parade.

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With the homos blinded and unable to locate the nearest male butthole, the angels & Lot & his family make a break for it and get away from crazy gay pride parade. When Lot and his family are at a safe distance, God tells them to look away cause he wants to show the sodomites His version of tolerance.


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I'm not even a follower of Christianity, and even I believe in this story.
All that we are going through now, has probably ALL already been seen by our distant male ancestors thousands of years ago.
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Good post, but
Quote:Then as soon as they got what they were asking for, it's like the dam was burst and there was a cascade of unforseen consequences

Uncucked Christians have been warning years that gay rights are a slippery slope for much worse things. There's really not an aspect of surprise to be found here.
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Roosh there's also plenty of evidence and analysis as to why Revelation would have been written before 70 AD.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/2015_gi...ore-ad-70/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.equip.o...ad-70/amp/

Quote:First, if the apostle John were indeed writing in AD 95—long after the destruction of the temple— it seems incredible that he would make no mention whatsoever of the most apocalyptic event in Jewish history—the demolition of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple at the hands of Titus. Imagine writing a history of New York today and making no mention of the destruction of the twin towers of the World Trade Center at the hands of terrorists on September 11, 2001. Or, more directly, imagine writing a thesis on the future of terrorism in America and failing to mention the Manhattan Massacre.

Consider another parallel. Imagine that you are reading a history concerning Jewish struggles in Nazi Germany and find no mention whatsoever of the Holocaust. Would it not be reasonable to suppose that this history was written prior to the outbreak of World War II? The answer is self-evident. Just as it stretches credulity to suggest that a history of the Jews in Germany would be written in the aftermath of World War II and yet make no mention of the Holocaust, so too it is unreasonable to think that Revelation was written twenty-five years after the destruction of Jerusalem and yet makes no mention of the most apocalyptic event in Jewish history.

Furthermore, those who hold that the book of Revelation was written long after the destruction of the temple in AD 70 face an even more formidable obstacle! Consider one of the most amazing prophecies in all of Scripture.

Jesus is leaving the temple when his disciples call his attention to its buildings. As they gaze upon its massive stones and magnificent buildings, Jesus utters the unthinkable: “I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down” (Matthew 24:2; Mark 13:2; Luke 21:6). One generation later this prophecy, no doubt still emblazoned on the tablet of their consciousness, became a vivid and horrifying reality. As noted by Josephus, the temple was doomed August 30, AD 70, “the very day on which the former temple had been destroyed by the king of Babylon.”

As incredible as Christ’s prophecy and its fulfillment one generation later are, it is equally incredible to suppose that the apostle John would make no mention of it. As the student of Scripture well knows, New Testament writers were quick to highlight fulfilled prophecy. The phrase “This was to fulfill what was spoken of by the prophet” permeates the pages of Scripture. Thus, it is inconceivable that Jesus would make an apocalyptic prophecy concerning the destruction of Jerusalem and the Jewish temple and that John would fail to mention that the prophecy was fulfilled one generation later just as Jesus had predicted it.

Finally, let me highlight an additional piece of internal evidence that should give pause to those who are overly dogmatic about the late-dating of Revelation. In Revelation 11 John says, “I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, ‘Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the worshipers there. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles.

They will trample on the holy city for 42 months’” (vv. 1–2). In context, Jesus has sent his angel “to show his servants what must soon take place.” Thus, the prophecy concerns a future event, not one that took place twenty-five years earlier.n summary, among the reasons we can be certain that the book of Revelation was not written twenty-five years after the destruction of Jerusalem, three tower above the rest.

First, just as it is unreasonable to suppose that someone writing a history of the World Trade Center in the aftermath of September 11, 2001, would fail to mention the destruction of the twin towers, so too it stretches credulity to suggest that Revelation was written in the aftermath of the devastation of Jerusalem and the Jewish temple and yet makes no mention of this apocalypse.

Additionally, if John is writing in AD 95, it is incredible to suppose he would not mention the fulfillment of Christ’s most improbable and apocalyptic vision. Finally, New Testament documents—including the book of Revelation— speak of Jerusalem and the Jewish temple intact at the time they were written.

If Revelation was written before AD 70, it is reasonable to assume that the vision given to John was meant to reveal the apocalyptic events surrounding the destruction of Jerusalem—events that were still in John’s future but are in our past. This, of course, does not presuppose that all the prophecies in Revelation have already been fulfilled. Just as thoughtful Christians should distance themselves from the fully futurist fallacy, they should disavow a predominantly preterist (i.e., past) perspective.

I was raised in both Evangelical and Pentecostal circles who had a pre millennial interpretation of it, as well as later in Reformed, Orthodox, and Anglican circles who either had a pretarist or all millenial view of it.

Theres a book you can get which addresses Revelation from all 4 lenses.

Amazon.com › Revelation-Four-Views-P...
Revelation: Four Views: A Parallel Commentary: Steve Gregg: 9780840721280 ...

"Be a leader and never ever follow" That's what my father, that's what he always told me. So with those words boldly spoken, he sent me down a long and hard road.

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End Times are a derail of Christianity.

Jesus said that no one knows the time or the place, and he has also said, it might be tonight.

The point is,

1. Don't dwell on it or make predictions.
2. On the other hand, live as if it were just around the corner.

Upshot:

1. People don't waste their time in vain speculation.
2. People don't waste their time, period.

This stuff is like a break from the hard work of Christianity.

Some fun time to bat ideas back and forth.

The Book of Revelation is Harry Potter for Christians.

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After reading the thread title, I threw my Rob Zombie CD in the trash - he always has a mark on his forehead.

Girlfriend's "father" (I suspect, grandfather), a pastor, dies for talking about the End Times.

He's a typical boomer who loves watching (Fox) news on tv all day, trades in his leased SUV for the newest model, and without asking will brag about his new surround sound system.

(And a strange hate for Santa Claus because he's not real. We pretended to listen while he went on about him to us last Christmas while everyone was preparing supper)

Constantly watching the news, loving the book of Revelation - both may have something to do with his heart attack, being pre-diabetic, and nearly hospitalized a couple months ago because he couldn't breathe - blood pressure levels and the End Times don't mix.
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The Christians that are martyred in the dispensation of The Tribulation period are called "Tribulation Saints" who are obviously not saved by faith ALONE. It is faith PLUS works during the tribulation period and they CANNOT no matter what, receive the mark, or else they are permanently sealed and damned to hell... However, if you are saved today in this current dispensation of The Church Age, then we are blood washed and sealed permanently through faith in what Christ did for us ((ALONE)) plus NO works, for The Rapture. The ones left behind are the ones who need to be worried about the Tribulation. Since you belong to the Ortho sect where they teach faith PLUS works for salvation thinking they can be "co-savior" with Jesus or they can somehow "maintain" or show "evidence" of their salvation, i can safely assume that you will be left behind and endure the Tribulation for a second chance at salvation. Sounds like you went from one extreme of Degeneracy to the other extreme of RELIGION. As the saying goes, "The scoundrel's last refuge is in religion." Bottom line: The saved ones are looking for what the bible calls "the blessed hope" Jesus Christ, we are NOT looking for the antichrist... While you guys are living in fear and splitting hairs about the antichrist, i am living in peace and joy waiting for the rapture. If youre a bible normie, none of what i said will make sense. Also, not to "correct" you but BABYLON is basically talking about the Roman Catholics.... and whoever the antichrist will be, one thing is for certain. Islam will be at the forefront during the Tribulation and will behead anyone who refuse them... P.S. Dont forget that the bible is mostly a Jewish book.. Not every verse you cherry pick in the bible is addressed to us The Gentiles.. Remember to "rightly divide the word" as God instructs us to do in Timothy. If you dont do that, the bible will have "contradictions" and you will eventually end up like the cults and become a religious nutcase.. Not trolling, just being blunt..
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(06-10-2019 02:44 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  End Times are a derail of Christianity.

Jesus said that no one knows the time or the place, and he has also said, it might be tonight.

The point is,

1. Don't dwell on it or make predictions.
2. On the other hand, live as if it were just around the corner.

Upshot:

1. People don't waste their time in vain speculation.
2. People don't waste their time, period.


This stuff is like a break from the hard work of Christianity.

Some fun time to bat ideas back and forth.

The Book of Revelation is Harry Potter for Christians.

You really hit the nail on the head here man. LARPing about when the end times are going to come is probably the most protestant hobby out there. Jesus did say that no man will expect it when it comes.

Imagine what people thought when the Nazis blazed across Europe and Japan controlled 2/3 of the Pacific. WW2 was such a horrific event and even then the world kept careening on. I bet people were muttering about the end of the world then. [/b]

[b]Live as if it were just around the corner[b]

Donate to a charity you like or take some time for a contemplative prayer. You will feel better afterwords too.
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(06-10-2019 12:56 PM)Caduceus Wrote:  In the biblical story of God's hellfire destruction of the twin cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.....




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(06-09-2019 10:17 PM)Roosh Wrote:  This propaganda has been ramping up in the past couple of years. The US Government is allowing pilots to share their "close sightings" with UFOs to media reporters. They are not declassifying things out of kindness. It has psyop written all over it.

Astute point. Totally tied to the next point, something people who study archetypes and liminal borders/boundaries realize ... aliens are the manifestation in the archetypal mind of chaos (demons)


Quote:Now I want to mention a theory, something I can't possibly verify. I believe that many world governments do experiments with psychedelics to explore other dimensions. They have figured out the right dosage and mix of drugs to create encounters with "advanced" beings who then give them instructions for ways at world domination (high technology). Alex Jones talked about this in his last podcast with Joe Rogan, and how when we do what the beings instruct, things work. If this is true, those beings must be demons. In other words, it's very possible that this "world system" of "globalization" is not just Satanic in spirit, but also in formulation.

I don't know about the techniques precisely as you state, but I have no doubt this has been, and likely is still attempted. People don't take Alex Jones seriously for a lot of reasons, but it is foolish to not pay attention to his mode of communication, care should be taken however to the very details/specifics he employs, because usually they are too focused and far fetched. His examples as metaphors, though, are spot on.

Roosh, you seem to know about the Nephilim so you will understand also that this is not new, that the 2nd temple jews and other ancients of the time were very aware that many "rulers" were also in fact influenced (counseled) by spiritual beings who gave them ideas for technology and innovation to change their interaction with the physical elements. Even more curious is that Gilgamesh is listed as one of the Giants in the book of Giants, part of the dead sea scrolls.

As St. Paul said and knew, all of the other gods apart from the one true God were demons. Yes, they are still around to this day. Progressivism in itself is anti-christ (puts itself in the place of Christ) and globalism, to anyone who is paying attention, is quite clearly and intentionallly chaotic via many factors, but through the (sadly, desired) demonic hardening of the human heart, usually employing that "progressive" model which focuses on technology and egalitarianism.

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(06-10-2019 07:45 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 10:17 PM)Roosh Wrote:  This propaganda has been ramping up in the past couple of years. The US Government is allowing pilots to share their "close sightings" with UFOs to media reporters. They are not declassifying things out of kindness. It has psyop written all over it.

Astute point. Totally tied to the next point, something people who study archetypes and liminal borders/boundaries realize ... aliens are the manifestation in the archetypal mind of chaos (demons)


Quote:Now I want to mention a theory, something I can't possibly verify. I believe that many world governments do experiments with psychedelics to explore other dimensions. They have figured out the right dosage and mix of drugs to create encounters with "advanced" beings who then give them instructions for ways at world domination (high technology). Alex Jones talked about this in his last podcast with Joe Rogan, and how when we do what the beings instruct, things work. If this is true, those beings must be demons. In other words, it's very possible that this "world system" of "globalization" is not just Satanic in spirit, but also in formulation.

I don't know about the techniques precisely as you state, but I have no doubt this has been, and likely is still attempted. People don't take Alex Jones seriously for a lot of reasons, but it is foolish to not pay attention to his mode of communication, care should be taken however to the very details/specifics he employs, because usually they are too focused and far fetched. His examples as metaphors, though, are spot on.

Roosh, you seem to know about the Nephilim so you will understand also that this is not new, that the 2nd temple jews and other ancients of the time were very aware that many "rulers" were also in fact influenced (counseled) by spiritual beings who gave them ideas for technology and innovation to change their interaction with the physical elements. Even more curious is that Gilgamesh is listed as one of the Giants in the book of Giants, part of the dead sea scrolls.

As St. Paul said and knew, all of the other gods apart from the one true God were demons. Yes, they are still around to this day. Progressivism in itself is anti-christ (puts itself in the place of Christ) and globalism, to anyone who is paying attention, is quite clearly and intentionallly chaotic via many factors, but through the (sadly, desired) demonic hardening of the human heart, usually employing that "progressive" model which focuses on technology and egalitarianism.

I haven't heard any discussion here about the book of Enoch, but this delves greatly into the Nephilim, their bloodlines, their nature, and how they were wiped out by the Flood because they were literally corrupting God's seed. Antediluvian times were riddled with all kinds of monsters and abominations. Afterwards, all things unnatural were no longer in the physical existence on earth (whether earth is a planet, a honeycomb, a flat plane, a sphere, we really don't know for sure). The only evil thing existing since that time is mankind's sinful nature, and their ability to summon and communicate and make pacts with demons (in another dimension, not the physical plane).

Uninformed theorists often associate the Nephilim with the Annunaki, Planet X, Nibiru, or some other cosmological crap, but the truth is they were just corrupted genetic experiments of the fallen ones. Similar to how fallen humans (atheists, globalists, satanists, zionists, etc) are doing everything they can to corrupt the human genome, to learn it so they can replicate it and twist it to whatever political purposes they desire. No one can play God, because good and evil are two very different things.

God is ultimate, boundless, immeasurable, and is the only entity that can create life. All biological replication through reproduction or cellular division is the method to which he laid out for life to persist.

Evil on the other hand, cannot create, but only usurp, corrupt, only manipulate existing forms of life. This is why they cannot create life with their faggotry, or why nothing beautiful ever comes out of modern (satanic) art, architecture, whatever.

Do you think we shall see the Nephilim again in the coming days? I remember reading about the 12-foot plus skeletons found in Norway and other dig sites that were hushed up because they couldn't explain this to common people. I suppose there are a great many more things buried that show the insane past our world once had but are also being suppressed, some things we may never know.
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(06-10-2019 02:44 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  End Times are a derail of Christianity.

Jesus said that no one knows the time or the place, and he has also said, it might be tonight.

The point is,

1. Don't dwell on it or make predictions.
2. On the other hand, live as if it were just around the corner.

Upshot:

1. People don't waste their time in vain speculation.
2. People don't waste their time, period.

This stuff is like a break from the hard work of Christianity.

Some fun time to bat ideas back and forth.

The Book of Revelation is Harry Potter for Christians.

Yes it's quite a rabbit hole (as this thread proves), though rather fascinating. If studying eschatology doesn't bring you closer to God, or deepen your faith in respect to the trials you are sure to face as a Christian, the study is not worth continuing.

For me, it makes me realize that things have the potential to get much worse than today, but not to despair and keep the faith. This world is controlled by Satan and evil will not be eliminated in present humankind, and any "good" that comes forth before the Second Coming is likely to be temporary.

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Quote:Yes it's quite a rabbit hole (as this thread proves), though rather fascinating. If studying eschatology doesn't bring you closer to God, or deepen your faith in respect to the trials you are sure to face as a Christian, the study is not worth continuing.

For me, it makes me realize that things have the potential to get much worse than today, but not to despair and keep the faith. This world is controlled by Satan and evil will not be eliminated in present humankind, and any "good" that comes forth before the Second Coming is likely to be temporary.

Exactly! I've been studying this almost daily for over a decade as the Bible is a complex and intensive read. When you first convert you begin to seek more and more understanding spiritually. Reading the Bible, researching, praying, asking questions, etc. You humble yourself and try to soak up all the information you can because it's such a powerful and fascinating message, knowing that now your knowledge is limited with hopes of growing.

1 Peter 2-3

Quote: 2 Like newborn babies, you must crave pure spiritual milk so that you will grow into a full experience of salvation. 3 Cry out for this nourishment, now that you have had a taste of the Lord’s kindness.

What Roosh is going through now, I experienced when I was in college almost 10 years ago. I came to Christ after a severe car crash in which I knew I had no business surviving. I fell asleep at the wheel on the highway. Anyway this near death experience had me questioning where I would go if I died - I remember locking my self in my apartment and reading the Bible front to back multiple times over in just a few weeks. It was a powerful urge I could not resist. After reading back then, I distinctly remember the Book of Romans being my absolute favorite book that touched me personally, but could never figure out why until recently.

I'm convinced everyone is at different stages in their spiritual journey and the best you can do is try to have a personal relationship with Christ, pray to him, and ask him for understanding about about Eschatology. Everyone has their theories, but if you're a believer you should have confidence that this story has a happy ending, which has brought me in indescribable peace of soul & mind - no matter how bad things get and what troubles I might have to endure. So while this is a topic of interest to me - I rarely think of it these days, avoid watching the news, and try to live a peaceful life. Thinking of the end times and all the terrible things to come can cause you anxiety.

Personally, my "wow" moment and when everything clicked for me when understanding the end times & eschatology was understanding the audiences in which each of the books was intended for. This is extremely important. Before you read each book I urge you to determine whom the author of each book is writing to - it clearly states this at the beginning of each book. Then ask yourself " Is he writing this to me? ". The biggest hurdle I had to overcome was to acknowledge not everything in the Bible was written specifically for me.

When I grasped this concept the End times, the Great Tribulation, and Christ's second coming ( Especially the 7 Churches of Revelation 2 & 3 who are judged by their works - " I know thy works ....." - and being forewarned of time of judgement and persecution) start making much more sense. The following scriptures is what opened my eyes on rightly dividing the the Bible. This topic is of great interest to me, so if anyone has a rebuttal please chime in.

Matthew 15:24
Quote:Then Jesus said to the woman,  “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.”

Romans 15:8
Quote: 8 Remember that Christ came as a servant to the Jews to show that God is true to the promises he made to their ancestors. 9 He also came so that the Gentiles might give glory to God for his mercies to them.

Galations 2:7-9
Quote:Instead, they saw that God had given me the responsibility of preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, just as he had given Peter the responsibility of preaching to the Jews. 8 For the same God who worked through Peter as the apostle to the Jews also worked through me as the apostle to the Gentiles.

Lastly, I will leave you with this. You know what happens when you remove the 13 books of Romans – Philemon in the Bible? All the books that Paul wrote? There is no salvation by grace through faith apart from the works of the law. None. It does not exist.

All the other books in the Bible is of History, Prophecy, and instructions to the nation of Israel.
Which preaches faith + keeping the law – but unfortunately God has a hard time getting the Jews to follow him as seen time and time again throughout the Old Testament.

Of course this is simply the conclusion I came to. I encourage you to use discernment and research all of this to come to your own.
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Just my two cents here but, I've always believed that if one takes the Mark then he or she not only ceases to be human but is unable to exercise free will like a human being does. In short, you are possessed by a force greater than yourself. You cannot worship God freely. You cannot be forgiven. You cannot refuse any command to kill someone (beheading) who does not bear the Mark of the Beast (or rat them out to the authorities).

Committing suicide is also not an option, though some will pursue that course of action.

Revelation 9:6 "They will long to die, but death will flee from them!"

The chip/mark will prevent it. You can throw yourself off the tallest building and break every bone in your body and still not die. Throw yourself in front of a train and be mangled in a dozen pieces and still live, albeit in tremendous, horrifying pain.

There may be an option for some however to 'sever the Mark' by cutting off their right hand.

Matthew 5:30: "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be condemned into hell."

Not really a metaphor anymore, is it?
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(06-11-2019 11:53 AM)Soothesayer Wrote:  Just my two cents here but, I've always believed that if one takes the Mark then he or she not only ceases to be human but is unable to exercise free will like a human being does. In short, you are possessed by a force greater than yourself. You cannot worship God freely. You cannot be forgiven. You cannot refuse any command to kill someone (beheading) who does not bear the Mark of the Beast (or rat them out to the authorities).

Committing suicide is also not an option, though some will pursue that course of action.

Revelation 9:6 "They will long to die, but death will flee from them!"

The chip/mark will prevent it. You can throw yourself off the tallest building and break every bone in your body and still not die. Throw yourself in front of a train and be mangled in a dozen pieces and still live, albeit in tremendous, horrifying pain.

There may be an option for some however to 'sever the Mark' by cutting off their right hand.

Matthew 5:30: "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be condemned into hell."

Not really a metaphor anymore, is it?

Soothsayer, this is an interesting interpretation and I find it very likely. However, i caution you to taking bible quotes out of context to make a point. Matthew 5:30 has a lot more going on and wouldn't make sense if you included the whole section in your explanation of the mark of the beast.

Now, I think you are onto something where death will escape those who try to kill themselves with the mark of the beast. Maybe a special implant that prevents those from dying by capturing the soul in this world . Think like the book series altered carbon.

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There are seven colors in the rainbow. The seven colors correspond to the seven days of creation, and the rainbow is therefore a fitting symbol of God's promise to Noah that He would never again wipe out the earth. It was a kind of new creation. Seven is a symbol of divine completeness, and there are seven dispensations in the history of the earth.

The gay rainbow flag has only 6 colors.

https://www.tblfaithnews.com/faith-relig...he-rainbow

At first they made the gay flag 8 colors, as if there is an "extra" color that they invented. The eighth added color was pink which represented "sex." Sex, of course, was something they separated from "gender" and manipulated our language to refer to sexual intercourse rather than "male sex" and "female sex." They wanted to make a third gender, or more. Mankind's prideful notion that we can create beyond what God created, that we are above following His commandments. Well, since then, they have reduced the flag to 6 colors. Six has been an important number embedded in the rainbow flag, with six rings making up the "freedom ring" which is another symbol they use.

To repeat something three times makes it an established pattern, and permanent like the godhead. And again, the whole thing is about three or more genders rather than the two sexes which God established... Three and six. There is a bunch more symbolism tying 3 and 6 together with the rainbow flag:

- Harvey Milk requested Gilbert Baker to come up with a gay symbol after knowing him for three years, resulting in the rainbow flag.
- Paramount Flag Co. originally sold the flag, and Baker asked them to divide the flag in half for display on San Francisco's lamp posts. They put 3 stripes on one side of the post and 3 stripes on the other. https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/qq-rb_h.html
- At Harvey Milk's funeral, 3 colors were displayed on one side of the street and 3 colors on the other side.
http://www.gayprideneworleans.com/articles/002.htm
At the unveiling of the Harvey Milk memorial, they used a large rainbow flag with only 3 colors: https://www.whitecraneinstitute.org/wp-c...-800wi.jpg
- The Supreme Court established gay marriage in America on the six year of Obama's reign, on the sixth month of the year, on the sixth day of the week.
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I think half of the people on my facebook friends list would line up around the block to receive the mark of the beast. Hank Hanegraaff of the Christian Research Institute has an interesting take on eschatology. He claims that the Tribulation has already happened under the Roman Emperor Nero and that 666 as the mark of the beast is clearly a reference to Nero. But we're still awaiting the second coming of Christ.
The Churches I've attended teach that the rapture will occur before the tribulation but this doctrine is more recent like 100 years or so in the Protestant Church. The doctrine of a post tribulation rapture is making somewhat of a comeback.

The societal lines are clearly drawn. While conservative groups are most likely more religious. Leftist groups like antifa, weather underground and code pink are eagerly awaiting the coming of the anti-christ. They are the blinded legions who are satan's foot soldiers in the spiritual war being fought all around us. You can check out Hanegraaff's radio and podcast "The Bible Answer Man"
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(06-11-2019 03:07 PM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  The Churches I've attended teach that the rapture will occur before the tribulation but this doctrine is more recent like 100 years or so in the Protestant Church. The doctrine of a post tribulation rapture is making somewhat of a comeback.

This is the biggest disservice that mainline American protestant groups have done to their congregations and will lead more into the arms of the beast.

Everything you've said is true and it needs to be beaten out of mainline thinking. There is absolutely no theological basis for this. It came about during the 2nd and 3rd "Great Awakenings" of the 18th century which is also when Mormonism and Christian Science came about.

Believe it at ones peril.

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I like to think about different theories on the End Times though when someone asks if I truly believe in them, I just reply with "If even Jesus doesn't know the time, then how would I know?"

The one thing I will say is that the conditions for the End Times to take place haven't been in place until recently. I'm not speaking about the amount of sin or wickedness in the world but rather globalization.

In the past, if there was a major plague or disaster in a place the ill effects would be limited to the locality rather than global. There was no way for a world government/empire to rule all over the world due to limits in communications and travel. There was no weapons that could destroy the entire world. It's only in the last few decades that where the effects of whatever we do can be spread all around the Earth. Globalization is what allows for all of this.

Same with all the talk about the mark of the beast in the thread above. It's only in recent times that there will be a way to mark people in a way where they'll only be able to conduct commerce if they have the mark, whatever that mark may be.

I'm wary of any attempts to prove the exact time these events are supposed to take place, but I do believe it's only in this current era where it would happen.
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Well, the mark of the beast: No man shall buy or trade...

https://www.google.com/search?client=fir...y+or+trade


I've posted about this before. It's nearly a year now, my problems have not been resolved.

Basically, my bank has financially crippled me. They will not allow me to enter in to the marketplace most of you take for granted, unless I jump through certain hoops. Unless I allow myself to be marked with the number of the beast. It's voluntary for now whilst making my life a misery. But soon it will be compulsory.

I tried to buy some music software today for just under a hundred bucks. My bank said my card was blocked for suspected fraud. Again. They always do this. I always have to call up the fraud team and get put on hold for about an hour. I can not buy, sell or trade...

The marking of the number of the beast?

They require a code to be sent to your landline or mobile.

It doesn't matter if you are not at home and can not get a phone call to your landline. It does not matter if you do not have a mobile.

You will be cut out like a cancer from the economic system. You will buy from home or you will provide a mobile with your exact location.

Several times I tried to buy stuff from my folks' house. In the middle of the night. Like fuck I was going to give their house number to wake up a dying man. I don't have a mobile. This is almost illegal now.

I totally lost the plot today, I'l be the first to admit it. I let go a tirade of verbal abuse so bad, so ferocious, that it would get me an instaban here now to repeat it. It also was enough to get me locked up should they choose to prosecute. I held nothing back. It was savage.

I've been feeling bad about it all day. I feel bad that I upset someone that didn't deserve my verbal abuse. But sometimes, you just snap. Today was such a day.

An hour later, as usual, they reset my fraud block and I could buy my product. This has had severe repercussions for the local and smaller economy.

Not now today, in fact, but before.

Amazon is usually ok. But they blocked me too if you remember. Just like paypal have just about shut me down too. My ISP cutting off my phone line. Always pay my bills, never in debt. Don't matter.

You need to use these services how these masters tell you to, boy. They don't care if you stray off the plantation, slave. You is gonna get whipped, boy. Race war, when? Don't make me laugh. We are all slaves.

Phone line cut off, can't call the number to get to paypal to amazon. Can't phone up my bank.

My phone was working ok today though.

But it's not personal. It's just how things portend to the very near future. I was reading in fact, about how banks will require you to provide a mobile phone number in the future 'to cut down on fraud'. Every time you make a purchase on line.

Remember, citizen, the measures in place are for your own good.

Sorry if I come across as whinging again. It's just a head's up. I'll find no solace here with regard to this. I'm half expecting a knock on the door from the police after what I unleashed today on that poor woman who did genuinely try to help me. I know I upset her. That was not my intention.

I want to cut the head of the beast off. But the beast only presents its minions and its lackeys to us. It's one thing to say 'all is fair in love and war' but it was like when I used to street fight - usually I would get beat and take a whipping and I would feel bad, but I always felt worse when I got the better of someone and gave them a rare whipping.

I don't mind doling out punishment, but it has to be to the right people.

I need to take a step back.

Banks will not let you buy anything on the net without you confirming first your location, your computer system (I think my VPN has messed some stuff up here as well), your phone (so they can trace and cross-reference your phone usage). They want total data. And they will get it.

But if I go through paypal, it's all good. Shame paypal have shut me down too.

I'm not in debt. I don't have a criminal record. I'm not spending amounts much more than a hundred bucks or so.

But I still need to be marked with the number of the beast. Or a landline number cross-referenced with a mobile number.

Keep in mind these banks are complicit in the torture of women and children with their laundering of Cartel drug money. To the tune of billions. Yet they will not let me buy a piece of music software for less than a hundred bucks.

Power is nothing without control.

Welcome to the future.

It's a boot on your head, forever.






Many people consider this a Santanic Praise song, when in reality it's a warning against the devil.


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Hang in there Rigsby.

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(06-11-2019 05:45 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  Well, the mark of the beast: No man shall buy or trade...

https://www.google.com/search?client=fir...y+or+trade


I've posted about this before. It's nearly a year now, my problems have not been resolved.

Basically, my bank has financially crippled me. They will not allow me to enter in to the marketplace most of you take for granted, unless I jump through certain hoops. Unless I allow myself to be marked with the number of the beast. It's voluntary for now whilst making my life a misery. But soon it will be compulsory.

I tried to buy some music software today for just under a hundred bucks. My bank said my card was blocked for suspected fraud. Again. They always do this. I always have to call up the fraud team and get put on hold for about an hour. I can not buy, sell or trade...

The marking of the number of the beast?

They require a code to be sent to your landline or mobile.

It doesn't matter if you are not at home and can not get a phone call to your landline. It does not matter if you do not have a mobile.

You will be cut out like a cancer from the economic system. You will buy from home or you will provide a mobile with your exact location.

Several times I tried to buy stuff from my folks' house. In the middle of the night. Like fuck I was going to give their house number to wake up a dying man. I don't have a mobile. This is almost illegal now.

I totally lost the plot today, I'l be the first to admit it. I let go a tirade of verbal abuse so bad, so ferocious, that it would get me an instaban here now to repeat it. It also was enough to get me locked up should they choose to prosecute. I held nothing back. It was savage.

I've been feeling bad about it all day. I feel bad that I upset someone that didn't deserve my verbal abuse. But sometimes, you just snap. Today was such a day.

An hour later, as usual, they reset my fraud block and I could buy my product. This has had severe repercussions for the local and smaller economy.

Not now today, in fact, but before.

Amazon is usually ok. But they blocked me too if you remember. Just like paypal have just about shut me down too. My ISP cutting off my phone line. Always pay my bills, never in debt. Don't matter.

You need to use these services how these masters tell you to, boy. They don't care if you stray off the plantation, slave. You is gonna get whipped, boy. Race war, when? Don't make me laugh. We are all slaves.

Phone line cut off, can't call the number to get to paypal to amazon. Can't phone up my bank.

My phone was working ok today though.

But it's not personal. It's just how things portend to the very near future. I was reading in fact, about how banks will require you to provide a mobile phone number in the future 'to cut down on fraud'. Every time you make a purchase on line.

Remember, citizen, the measures in place are for your own good.

Sorry if I come across as whinging again. It's just a head's up. I'll find no solace here with regard to this. I'm half expecting a knock on the door from the police after what I unleashed today on that poor woman who did genuinely try to help me. I know I upset her. That was not my intention.

I want to cut the head of the beast off. But the beast only presents its minions and its lackeys to us. It's one thing to say 'all is fair in love and war' but it was like when I used to street fight - usually I would get beat and take a whipping and I would feel bad, but I always felt worse when I got the better of someone and gave them a rare whipping.

I don't mind doling out punishment, but it has to be to the right people.

I need to take a step back.

Banks will not let you buy anything on the net without you confirming first your location, your computer system (I think my VPN has messed some stuff up here as well), your phone (so they can trace and cross-reference your phone usage). They want total data. And they will get it.

But if I go through paypal, it's all good. Shame paypal have shut me down too.

I'm not in debt. I don't have a criminal record. I'm not spending amounts much more than a hundred bucks or so.

But I still need to be marked with the number of the beast. Or a landline number cross-referenced with a mobile number.

Keep in mind these banks are complicit in the torture of women and children with their laundering of Cartel drug money. To the tune of billions. Yet they will not let me buy a piece of music software for less than a hundred bucks.

Power is nothing without control.

Welcome to the future.

It's a boot on your head, forever.

Get several burner phones, find an alternate address. Use storage containers. I see nothing wrong with cheating the devil and his system. In fact, I believe that I'm doing a service to God by cheating the fallen ones ploy. Some people take this mark too literally, we live in an economy of fear. While it may not be a DNA-changing soul-snatching device yet, it is a precursor if such an entity could exist. I use burner phones, PO boxes, HUD addresses, anything I can to redirect their system (run by humans who also bleed, shit, fart, and blunder too) onto trivialities. I guarantee that the human ingenuity which is bestowed to us by God will always give us the clever option to outwit these globalist fiends. There is a certain amount of defeatism in this mark of the beast approach. I do not deny that when it really does happen, the only Christians to survive in the physical flesh will be the ones at sea or in the remote wilderness, or sheltered by those with sympathies, however unlikely. That is why for that time, it is welcome to prepare for survivalism, long treks through uncharted territory, hunting, gathering, camping, etc, perhaps even sailing if you are more of a water-friendly man.

That time is not yet upon us, it may be another hundred years or more until it happens, we do not know, only The Father knows. Until that time is here, I, like many others, believe in probing for weaknesses. The war as it stands now is, the enemy only have publicly-viewed control of all the institutions. If they want to ban you and your name and your social security number, there is always a way around it. People have been scamming this system for years. While that behavior is not consistent with the teachings of Jesus, ask yourself this, is it a sin to cheat the devil?
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