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RE: Eschatology: Mark of the Beast, Great Tribulation, Second Coming
I've just learned that, apparently, some scholars doubt that the number of the beast is 666; according to them, it might be instead 616.

A very interesting read:
https://www.endtime.com/blog/666-or-616-...the-beast/

"Much of the recent stir about 616 has arisen due to renewed studies of a group of very old manuscripts originally discovered in 1895 by archaeologists at the site of an ancient garbage dump in Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. Many of the Oxyrhynchus manuscripts consist of New Testament papyri, and are very old when compared to other manuscripts. One of them named P115 (also called P. Oxy. 4499), dates from around 300 AD and contains some or all of 12 chapters from the Book of Revelation, including Revelation 13:18. It records 616 as the number of the beast using Greek letters"

"“And his number is Six hundred threescore and six.” This statement from the last days’ prophecy of Revelation 13 gives a clue to the identity of the antichrist. God’s stated purpose in this verse is that we understand it correctly. This is especially true for those of us who live in the days immediately preceding the coming of Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, some have questioned the accuracy of 666 as the number of the beast. Some have suggested that 616 is the real number. However, the majority of almost 300 Greek manuscripts, including the oldest and most valued, along with the evidence of early church writings and translations, all stand together as a great witness to the authenticity of 666 against a rather small set of four manuscripts and one early writer that make their claim for 616."

[Image: p47-late-3d-c-ms-666-byz-txt.jpg]

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By the way, I wouldn't be surprised that the Beast would try to confound and mislead us, concerning what his infamous mark is.

Interesting also, about the internet (www in Hebrew):

[Image: 666-hidden-corprate-logos.jpg?w=616]
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(06-11-2019 05:45 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  I tried to buy some music software today for just under a hundred bucks. My bank said my card was blocked for suspected fraud. Again. They always do this. I always have to call up the fraud team and get put on hold for about an hour. I can not buy, sell or trade...

The marking of the number of the beast?

They require a code to be sent to your landline or mobile.

Rigsby, very lovingly... take a deep breath. You've a pattern in the past of seeing persecution that isn't always there, or reading the intensely-personal into situations that aren't there: including what could simply be the red tape garbage involved in modern decaying institutions, where those employed aren't hired for competence, and require Saintlike patience to interact with at times.

Much as I explained in the other thread, where you're seeing yourself as going through the Dark Night of the Senses and the Soul without having truly-experienced the First conversion, it's possible the same thing is at play here.

The Beast's earlier warning in the thread of heretical end times interpretations coming from some American denominations applies here: the mark of the beast will be a deliberate branding chosen by Free Will of choosing allegiance to the Antichrist over God, and people will know what they're doing, even if they believe they're doing it for the right reason.

Ideas of electronic chipping, credit cards, the rapture, the three days of darkness, and a 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ *before* he returns for his final judgement, which would make the 'second coming' the... errr 'third coming' etc are all heresy's beloved in their fictional entertainment, the fruits of which are clearly demonic manipulation: believing it's serving God if America bombs the middle east for Israel to hasten about the end times. My warnings about Tikkun Olam stand.

I remember stumbling across an Evanglical Podcast last year, and hearing a woman whose husband had been killed in the middle east and had been left alone with three sons under five crying to the host about not knowing how to survive the end times. This kind of fearful garbage isn't from Abba.

Whilst there are politically-motivated financial institution bannings happening, they can't be what is spoken of in scripture, because the mass conversion of Jews to Christ hasn't happened yet, a prerequisite to the final persecutions. As such, it's a waste of mental time and energy applying end times prophecy to your day to day life now.

So, putting aside all of that stuff:

What specifically did you do to get banned by Paypal?
Were you involved in any alt-right financial activities, particularly any of the alt-lite side of things?
Were you donating to, say, the Daily Stormer?
Did you get a statement saying why you banned from them?

If there's nothing specific, I highly-doubt you're being targeted for your political views. Either that, or you're secretly Morrissey.

Look, we have similar musical interests. Is it possible your current Fraud warning was justified? I've been hit with a few, usually always for purchases from companies they later explain known to often be targeted by Online Fraudsters.

Perhaps you bought something from Vinyl Tap Records, for example?

[Image: avatars-000031357783-ghbm39-t500x500.jpg]

Apparently a lot of Russian Money Laundering goes through the business, so an offhand purchase of, say, buying a 7 inch copy of '(I'm Always Touched By Your) Presence, Dear' three years back, put me on a freeze for Fraud Protection until I talked to them and explained that, yes, I made the purchase. The girl on the other end was your standard office drone, who explained she thought she was doing the right thing 'just to be safe', and some simple charm got her giggling and resolved the situation very quickly. Honey, rather than Vinegar, man. I was simply inconvenienced for a couple of days, but since I keep my larder well stocked and often goes days without buying anything, it was a mild one.

Interestingly, my Sister got hit with one of these last week for attempting to buy some musical gear on Ebay. The purchase was stopped and she was warned by Ebay the seller in question was under investigation for Fraud.

If you're in the wrong mindset, and letting all the doom and gloom black pill mindset worry you unnecessarily, it's possible you're misreading this kind of thing for something far more nefarious than it is. Start abusing the banks staff, however, and, yes, you probably will end up cancelled.

So what exactly-triggered what you believe to be persecution? What specific personal action can you point towards that would have generated this attack?
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(06-11-2019 11:53 AM)Soothesayer Wrote:  Committing suicide is also not an option, though some will pursue that course of action.

Revelation 9:6 "They will long to die, but death will flee from them!"

The chip/mark will prevent it. You can throw yourself off the tallest building and break every bone in your body and still not die. Throw yourself in front of a train and be mangled in a dozen pieces and still live, albeit in tremendous, horrifying pain.

The idea of nanobots comes to mind.

There's a book call Scythe, the first of a young adult series, that explored this idea. It takes place in a future where everything is ran by an all powerful AI and people have nanobots in their bodies that kick in when they get hurt, preventing them from dying or feeling pain. People literally jump off buildings and "kill" themselves for kicks. It was a very entertaining read, similar to the Hunger Games in that there is a male and female protagonist working together/working against each other but it was darker and less cheesy IMO.

Anyway, in keeping with the technological bent of some of these posts, nanobots would make for an interesting "mark of the beast;" unseen but permeating the bodies of damned.
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(06-11-2019 08:12 PM)Going strong Wrote:  I've just learned that, apparently, some scholars doubt that the number of the beast is 666; according to them, it might be instead 616.

A very interesting read:
https://www.endtime.com/blog/666-or-616-...the-beast/

"Much of the recent stir about 616 has arisen due to renewed studies of a group of very old manuscripts originally discovered in 1895 by archaeologists at the site of an ancient garbage dump in Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. Many of the Oxyrhynchus manuscripts consist of New Testament papyri, and are very old when compared to other manuscripts. One of them named P115 (also called P. Oxy. 4499), dates from around 300 AD and contains some or all of 12 chapters from the Book of Revelation, including Revelation 13:18. It records 616 as the number of the beast using Greek letters"

"“And his number is Six hundred threescore and six.” This statement from the last days’ prophecy of Revelation 13 gives a clue to the identity of the antichrist. God’s stated purpose in this verse is that we understand it correctly. This is especially true for those of us who live in the days immediately preceding the coming of Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, some have questioned the accuracy of 666 as the number of the beast. Some have suggested that 616 is the real number. However, the majority of almost 300 Greek manuscripts, including the oldest and most valued, along with the evidence of early church writings and translations, all stand together as a great witness to the authenticity of 666 against a rather small set of four manuscripts and one early writer that make their claim for 616."

[Image: p47-late-3d-c-ms-666-byz-txt.jpg]

[Image: 65ab49861-1.jpg]



By the way, I wouldn't be surprised that the Beast would try to confound and mislead us, concerning what his infamous mark is.

Interesting also, about the internet (www in Hebrew):

[Image: 666-hidden-corprate-logos.jpg?w=616]

Nero Caeser was the beast and was known as the great prosecutor of the first century church. We know this because in the hebrew numerical system his name adds up to 666.

The 616 is not a contradiction and can easily be explained. In the latin vulgate and the manuscript you referenced it's 616 for the mark of the beast because Nero Caeser was also called Neron Caeser. The 'n' added has a numerical value of 50. Obviously 666-50=616.

So Nero(n) Caeser fits like a glove in pertaining to the mark of the beast and is the only person that makes logical sense. Most of what is being described is dealing with those events that lead up to the destruction of the temple in AD 70.
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This is what I think will happen. Trump will win the election in 2020, and more and people will hate him, and hate him, with more anger and passion than they do now. So after Trump, the antichrist will become president of the USA. He will be young, Jewish, and a sodomite. Every one will love him and adore him. They will give all power to him. He will cause all to receive the mark. So he will force people to receive the mark. It will be in their right hand or their forehead. I reckon it will be some kind of chip. I could be wrong and most probably am concerning the man after Trump. I truly believe that Trump was picked and placed in power by the satanic forces that rule this world. There is no use fighting these forces. The best you could do is believe on The Lord Jesus Christ and pray, pray everyday.
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(06-11-2019 03:07 PM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  I think half of the people on my facebook friends list would line up around the block to receive the mark of the beast. Hank Hanegraaff of the Christian Research Institute has an interesting take on eschatology. He claims that the Tribulation has already happened under the Roman Emperor Nero and that 666 as the mark of the beast is clearly a reference to Nero. But we're still awaiting the second coming of Christ.
The Churches I've attended teach that the rapture will occur before the tribulation but this doctrine is more recent like 100 years or so in the Protestant Church. The doctrine of a post tribulation rapture is making somewhat of a comeback.

The societal lines are clearly drawn. While conservative groups are most likely more religious. Leftist groups like antifa, weather underground and code pink are eagerly awaiting the coming of the anti-christ. They are the blinded legions who are satan's foot soldiers in the spiritual war being fought all around us. You can check out Hanegraaff's radio and podcast "The Bible Answer Man"
at http://www.equip.org

To the shock of many in the protestant world 'the bible answer man' recently converted to Eastern Orthodoxy. As a former evangelical I grew up listening to this guy on the radio. His institute CRI has put on quality material for decades and has been a great resource for many. He authored a book "The Apocalypse Code" that covers the book of Revelation and how these events were fullfilled in AD 70. He has some clips on youtube as well in regards to these kind of topics.
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QR and barcode payment via people's smartphone probably makes up more than 50% of payments in China now.

Next thing you know it gets enforced as a tattoo instead after an EMT bomb or w/e.

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http://countryandahalf.com/mobile-paymen...-use-them/
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The best worldly preparation anyone can do is hunting, gathering, and evading in the wild, perhaps even some subsistence farming, or micro-permaculture. The only other answer to this is the spiritual one, which is evident, trust in Jesus, and know that any physical pain you may experience for your faith is nothing compared to what awaits those who inflict it. Do you really think we can uncover the identity of the mark here? If we can, then we can prepare our loved ones in some way. Part of me wouldn't mind going all escaped POW in the jungles until the end, if it comes during our time.
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(06-11-2019 08:12 PM)Going strong Wrote:  By the way, I wouldn't be surprised that the Beast would try to confound and mislead us, concerning what his infamous mark is.

Interesting also, about the internet (www in Hebrew):

[Image: 666-hidden-corprate-logos.jpg?w=616]

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I wonder whats up with the cross on the O. Perhaps an inverted cross once you take a sip.
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(06-11-2019 08:46 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  ...

Rigsby, very lovingly... take a deep breath. You've a pattern in the past of seeing persecution that isn't always there, or reading the intensely-personal into situations that aren't there: including what could simply be the red tape garbage involved in modern decaying institutions, where those employed aren't hired for competence, and require Saintlike patience to interact with at times.

Much as I explained in the other thread, where you're seeing yourself as going through the Dark Night of the Senses and the Soul without having truly-experienced the First conversion, it's possible the same thing is at play here.

...

What specifically did you do to get banned by Paypal?
Were you involved in any alt-right financial activities, particularly any of the alt-lite side of things?
Were you donating to, say, the Daily Stormer?
Did you get a statement saying why you banned from them?

If there's nothing specific, I highly-doubt you're being targeted for your political views. Either that, or you're secretly Morrissey.

Look, we have similar musical interests. Is it possible your current Fraud warning was justified? I've been hit with a few, usually always for purchases from companies they later explain known to often be targeted by Online Fraudsters.

...

So what exactly-triggered what you believe to be persecution? What specific personal action can you point towards that would have generated this attack?

And in... and out...


Rigsby, very lovingly... take a deep breath. You've a pattern in the past of seeing persecution that isn't always there, or reading the intensely-personal into situations that aren't there: including what could simply be the red tape garbage involved in modern decaying institutions, where those employed aren't hired for competence, and require Saintlike patience to interact with at times.


Again, you are probably right. I'm a man pushed to the edge of his sanity. At the same time, I've always been a very sensitive 'soul' - it's my nature and I'm ok with it as to mine own self I am true. I wouldn't call it 'persecution' per se, more like 'shit I just don't want to have to deal with at the moment'. I'm not a perfect man. I have faults. I at least like to think I can see those faults to an extent (as much as anyone can) and not take humbrage when they are pointed out. I'm sensitive in my nature, but I can hold my hand up and say sorry, I was wrong, without feeling personally attacked. No one is perfect, not even me.

But this wasn't persecution, this was incompetence. I could go in to details and prove that, but what the hey, no point. They could not give me a reason for blocking my card EVERY SINGLE TIME I USE IT. It's not persecution, and I told them as much - I don't think you are doing this because you hate me, you are doing this because your system is not working. Btw, they recently had to pay out millions of pounds to people who could not access their account and pay bills. TSB. Look it up. In the news again the other day. They had a merger or buy out or something and the whole lot went tits up. I nearly got a pay out but was just under the cut off date. Such is life.


Much as I explained in the other thread, where you're seeing yourself as going through the Dark Night of the Senses and the Soul without having truly-experienced the First conversion, it's possible the same thing is at play here.


You know, you are probably right again. This whole dark night thing was the closest concept I could find to portray this strange experience. But this 'dark night' is not just a thing in Christianity, it is a thing in Buddhism and it is a thing in Alchemy. It's a thing in general psychology and psychiatry however you choose to label it or taxonomy it.

I just noted the parallels. I thought they were interesting. I'm not the first person to go through this and I won't be the last. I'm just glad that I feel whatever it is, it seems to be coming to an end. Some people call it a mental breakdown, and truth be told, that may not be so far from the truth as well. I'm just throwing ideas out here, as this isn't exactly the sort of thing you can ramble about in the pub (not that I ever go to pubs these days). All feedback greatly appreciated.


What specifically did you do to get banned by Paypal?
Were you involved in any alt-right financial activities, particularly any of the alt-lite side of things?
Were you donating to, say, the Daily Stormer?
Did you get a statement saying why you banned from them?


I didn't get banned from paypal. I got it set back up again or rather I got it to function. I think using a VPN is playing havoc with their security measures. This was exactly my point: unless you use a known address and a known browser from a known IP so they can track you, they will make your life a misery by making you reset passwords or even having to phone them to get the account reactivated. And that is a form of persection. Mild, but still persecution - making someone's life a hell because they don't do what you want them to, or because they do something you disaprove of.

It's the cumulative effect of having my phone cut off and not being able to reactivate things. It's amazon, paypal, my bank. The whole enchilada. I'm in a pretty bad place anyway at the moment. Also recent catastrophic events in my family have not helped. I'm a man at breaking point. But I'm holding it together.


If there's nothing specific, I highly-doubt you're being targeted for your political views. Either that, or you're secretly Morrissey.


Busted!

You're the one for me, fatty, you're the one I really really love...


Look, we have similar musical interests. Is it possible your current Fraud warning was justified? I've been hit with a few, usually always for purchases from companies they later explain known to often be targeted by Online Fraudsters.

I'll just repeat this one last time. Every single time I use my card to pay for something on line it is fraud blocked. Without exception. If they accept paypal I can use that if it is working (see previous notes), if they don't I have to spend a whole fucking hour on the phone on wait before they unblock it. They have already payed me 500 quid out of 1500 quid they owe me for doing this and admitting fault. I'm in dispute for the rest. I doubt I will get it.

I got to pay a bill later. Blocked. I go to try and buy some groceries. Blocked. That's about 3 hours out of my day. Would anyone find this acceptable? When they gaslight you and say 'oh we really don't know why this is happening'.

So I'm ranting, I know, letting off steam on a forum where no one really cares (I get it) but at the same time I do consider you all my bro's to an extent and maybe someone finds it amusing or enlightening. I don't know.

Every time they say 'oh we don't know why your card got blocked AGAIN'. No we will not get someone to phone you to explain why this is happening, in fact, we don't even think it has happened - we have no record of that time your card was blocked when you tried to buy X and that time you tried to buy Y and Z. No record? A bank with a RDBMS (relational database management system) that tracks every single transaction, almost in real time. It takes time to make SQL (Sequel) requests and traverse the data structure, but this information is there. It's a lie to say it is not. I've programmed databases MySQL on the LAMP stack mainly (Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP/PERL).

They are just messing with me. Though it's not personal. It's not persecution. It's how corporations deal with their incompetence and cover up their not subtle behaviour modification (you will not use a VPN, you will have a code sent to your mobile).

What am I going to do? Call them out? Tell them I know they are bullshiting me?

Well I did just that yesterday, and you know what mang? It felt good.


So what exactly-triggered what you believe to be persecution? What specific personal action can you point towards that would have generated this attack?

No, not persecution. It's really not personal. It's how corporations do business. I'm a little man in the scheme of things. They have known database problems and I just got caught up in the tail end of them sorting their systems out.

It's like when I tried to deal with mental health 'professionals'. You know what, every single one of them was a prick and a fraud. From the CBT therapists to the CPNs (community psychiatric nurses). Now I know that if every person you meet is a prick then probably you are the prick. I get that.

But I also get my own reality. Could there be something else at play here? Maybe they really are all pricks? Let's see. Does anyone else find this to be the case? Um, yeah, they do. It's a given. It's the rule not the exception. Generally speaking, people that work in mental health are pricks. They hate their jobs, they hate their life, they hate their patients (abuse on wards is rife). And they are not your friend. And they have power. And they like to use that power. It's all they have.

There was a few good ones I came across, but they moved on.

This was just my little tiny experience and snapshot of reality. I know it's not indicative of a wider greater reality. But it is my reality.

If I am to be true to myself, I have to be true to what I perceive as my reality as well. It would be incongruent otherwise.


At the end of the day I'm just a normal person pushed to the edge of his ability to cope. With no help from friends. No help from family. Just a little man that no one cares about. You know, like all the stuff that has been written on this very forum outlining these facts?

This is no country for old men.

I think it's a mistake to rant on forums as I have done because things get taken out of context and amplified. Hopefully this sets a few things straight. It's not something I want to dwell on.



Little update:

Today I went to buy some electricity and some groceries and to get some money out to pay for a taxi to get to my folks' house (it's 10 miles away and 50 bucks).

My card was blocked. I could not pay. Why? I don't know. I know I have money in there.

So I get home, and I phone up the fraud team after getting put through to them and kept on hold for half an hour. Half an hour later again I get to speak to a meat sack (this is an hour on the phone on wait remember).

He goes away. I know the score. I'll just keep you a few minutes longer mr. Rigsby, is that OK?

I know the game. This is good old fashioned baiting and dare I say it? Persecution (though that may be a bit strong of a word). Comes back.

"Mmmm let me see... I just need to check one more thing"

By this point I'm smiling at him thinking he has got one over on me. His pettiness, his pure spite, he can not hide.

I play along. Play the fool to catch the wise. I know it won't be much longer now.

"Oh, mr. Rigsby, did you receive a letter today?"

No.

"Informing you that your bank account has been terminated?"

I giggle. I ain't even mad bro'.

I say to him, Look, ****, why the **** would I be phoning you if I had got that ******* letter, ****?

Remember, I ain't even mad bro', but damn, it just feels so good to finally get it off your chest.

So now I have maybe enough in the leccy meter to get through the night and cook some food. I don't have the money needed to pay for a taxi to visit dying relatives. I don't even have the cash to get in to town to open up a new bank account.

Well, at least I'm not being persecuted, per se!


It's all good. I'll sort it out.

But for now, I am not allowed to buy or sell or trade. I'm not allowed access to my own cash. I can't pay bills or put leccy on the meter to cook food until I open another account.

Just one little man's problems. A man that no one cares about. A man of no consequence.

Hopefully I won't have too much difficulty in opening another account.

But what if I do? Will I become homeless because I can't pay the rent? What will be the upshot of that. If they just turn off the tap?

Today it's me. I upset someone because I had the sheer temerity to be upset myself. But tomorrow, it could be you, or a loved one. I didn't plan for this to happen. It wasn't on my list of 'things to achieve before I die'.

In fact, this very same bank (TSB) sent the police around to a man's house because he was left feeling suicidal because the bank had financially crippled him. What did the police do? They threatened to arrest him because he was upset and agitated. A cripple as well who has documented his major surgeries on his youtube channel. A good man. A man who respects the police.

Was that persecution? I would say so.

You will get fucked and you will like it. If you complain or get upset you will be arrested and either sent to prison or a mental institution.

Welcome to the future.

It's here.

And there isn't a damn thing you can do about it when it knocks on your door!


The bloke at the banks says goodbye to me:

"So, mr. Rigsby, is there anything else I can help you with today now that I have delivered the final shot, the coup de grace?"

No, no thankyou, you've been very helpful.

"Thankyou mr. Rigsby and YOU HAVE A GREEEAAAAT DAY NOW".

I will, ****!

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First off, that's fucking horrible, Rigsby. I hate banks like they're Satan themselves (might as well be) - that would drive me mental.

Have you thought of going to one of the virtual banks, like Revolut? They're in the UK but are probably less shitty than the rest of them.

I hope you'll get this sorted man.
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(06-12-2019 03:38 PM)Malone Wrote:  First off, that's fucking horrible, Rigsby. I hate banks like they're Satan themselves (might as well be) - that would drive me mental.

Have you thought of going to one of the virtual banks, like Revolut? They're in the UK but are probably less shitty than the rest of them.

I hope you'll get this sorted man.


It's all good. I feel more relief than anything now they have shut down my account (with all my money in it). They didn't shut down my credit card account though - they are getting something like 200 percent interest on that in real terms.

I can just see them (((wringing their hands))) - good, good, let him pay for his bread and milk on his (((credit card))).

When I asked the bloke who told me that my account had been shut, about the fact my credit card was still working, he said "I'm sorry mr. Rigsby I don't deal with that, I can put you on hold for another hour while I pretend to sort it out for you".

I said: "No thanks ****".

I never speak to people this way. Not once ever in my life before have I ever used that language (in this capacity). But I know when someone is having fun with me. Pretty sure they didn't take any phone calls when speaking to me. I can just see them all huddled around the speaker phone:

YES, YES, Persecute Rigsby...

Banana

And yeah it did drive me mental. I think the final straw for them was not me calling them ***** and telling them to **** ***. I think it was me very calmly and assuredly wishing they got cancer along with their loved ones. I said it in a deep and measured tone just to let them know that this was how I really felt. I'll take responsibility for that. Not my finest hour. I'm not proud of it. I'm ashamed in fact. Every man has a breaking point.

Remember, I have been left in a position not being able to see dying relatives (this has happened before). I've been left not being able to buy dying relatives presents. And I have lost thousands of pounds in music software sales. I have every reason to be bitter. And I am.

Thanks for the headsup on that virtual thing. I will check it out.

Really it's not such a big deal. I have some money to put in to my new back account that I inherited and it will be good leverage to open up a new account with favourable terms. I know that Nat West is in the town right next to my bank, so I'll probably just go with them.

They are all shit. I plan on opening up a couple more accounts as I move money about. I found a great thread here in fact on RVF that deals with paying of debt and building on that and turning it to your advantage. I have about 2 or 3 offers of credit cards with about 5K of debt on them. Of course I'm not so stupid as to take them up on that. But registering the cards apparently ups your credit rating. I'll try to find the link to it. I have it bookmarked on another machine.

I live quite a frugal existence. My clothes have holes in them. I don't have hot running water. That will change soon though as I get back in to the land of the living. My bro' left me some money and that was a real surprise. I feel a real responsibility to look after that, and only keep it for emergencies.

I have all the guitars I need. All the keyboards, mixers, midi controllers, computers. etc. etc.

I want for nothing. I am a very rich man. And even my chronic illness seems to be abating and I can start doing things again like cleaning my house and sorting things out.

It's been a trying time.

I woke up the other day after a storm and found out the fucking roof of my shed had blown off!

tard

These things are sent to try us!


I'm in fucking tears here.

(tears of laughter and joy)


I tried to hire a skip the other day to chuck out the 500 beer bottles I have stashed in my living room (now is not a good time to visit chez Rigs). But guess what? Fraud blocked!

But things are going to start looking up for me soon. I can just feel it.

I'm a winner!

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Another little update.

I went to the shop today to buy some electricity for when I go to my folks' house, so the food in my freezer doesn't spoil etc. etc.

Thought I might get some cash back as well to pay for the taxi (50 bucks) to my mum's house.

Guess what?

The closed down my credit card as well. "Card Declined".

I suppose it's fair enough. I was expecting it.

Funny thing is, I took a flyer and went to the cashpoint to see if it might still work, not expecting much...

Bingo! Could get cash out. So I could buy leccy and pay for the taxi to my mum's.

I go in to town tomorrow with all my ID to open a new account. Fingers crossed.


When I got home I tried to call my mum to tell her I'll be coming up, and guess what? They cut my fucking phone off again! But my internet still works.

I've never been in debt, never had a late payment. I tried to find out why they were doing this but I could only get to speak to some bloke with a thick indian accent and I couldn't understand what he was talking about. He just kept repeating himself and not making any sense.

Ah well, I guess I'll be looking for a new ISP for internet and phone now as well (was going to do this anyway as they have recently put a fibre backbone in around here and I can get some seriously fast speeds for the same as I am already paying).

I'm looking forward to having super fast broadband as I download a lot of multi GB Linux distros as well as 100's of Gigs of samples and music stuff every month. I'm really going to cane it.

Who knows, I might even get a phone line that works as well (when it's not cut off).

Welcome to the 21st Century. Welcome to the latest and greatest of technology provided to us oh so graciously by our oh so benevolent overlords.

I'm hoping things will get better in the long run.

I won't hold my breath.
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Numbers also hold great significance. It's one of those things that can be easily passed off as conspiracy but I believe they hold more meaning that people realise.

While I was writing another post just now I see that the gender pay gap is supposed to be 18%. Where did this even come from? It wasn't calculated with any integrity that's for sure. Could it be 6+6+6?

Now all the scientists balk, but regardless it's still "true" and pitting the genders against each other while saying they are equal IS the mark of the beast.
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The 616 number could be a scribe mistake. It was common for scribes to make typos copying manuscripts back in those days. If they only have one document where the number is incorrect versus others they'll need a second to confirm if an error was propagated.

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(06-09-2019 11:05 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I don't see how Preterism holds water, because "immediately" after the Tribulation, in which the temple gets destroyed, Jesus will appear without ambiguity:

Quote:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 24:29-34 (NKJV)

It's one of those things that would make "Where were you on 9/11?" memories look puny.

The explanation that Jesus did actually come back at 70 AD, but wasn't noticed, or that his coming wasn't recorded properly, is unconvincing.

You need to dig much deeper, Roosh. What convinced me that most of the Book of Revelation had already come to pass was reading the first-hand accounts of Josephus in "The Works of Josephus." Flavius Josephus was a captured Jewish General who defected to the Roman side and was granted Roman citizenship. He was an educated first-hand witness to the Jewish–Roman War (66-70 CE).

There is far too much detail to go into, so I would urge you to read "The Works of Josephus." I will just address your concern that "Jesus did actually come back at 70 AD, but wasn't noticed, or that his coming wasn't recorded properly, is unconvincing." Jesus took His rightful place at the right-hand of God. A battle in the heavens was literally witnessed by those who battled (for Jersulem) below:

Quote:"A few days after the feast, on the twenty-first of the month Artemisius, a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared; . . . for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armour were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding cities."

"Moreover at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner court of the temple, as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, “Let us remove hence!'"

(The Works of Josephus, The Judgment of Jerusalem, Chapter 5, Section 3)

In other words, as a battle raged for Jerusalem, which ultimately resulted in the destruction of the temple just as Jesus foretold, a great battle also simultaneously raged in Heaven. This was literally witnessed by many and chronicled by Josephus. This happened just as described by Luke:

Quote:And great earthquakes shall be in diverse places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

Luke 21:11 King James Version (KJV)


Moreover, from Tacitus, a Roman historian:

Quote:"There were many prodigies presignifying their ruin which was not averted by all the sacrifices and vows of that people. Armies were seen fighting in the air with brandished weapons. A fire fell upon the Temple from the clouds. The doors of the Temple were suddenly opened. At the same time there was a loud voice saying that the gods were removing, which was accompanied with a sound as of a multitude going out. All which things were supposed, by some to portend great calamities."

https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishW...6-5-3.html
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(06-11-2019 01:03 AM)Sosa Wrote:  Personally, my "wow" moment and when everything clicked for me when understanding the end times & eschatology was understanding the audiences in which each of the books was intended for. This is extremely important. Before you read each book I urge you to determine whom the author of each book is writing to - it clearly states this at the beginning of each book. Then ask yourself " Is he writing this to me? ". The biggest hurdle I had to overcome was to acknowledge not everything in the Bible was written specifically for me.

This is an absolutely crucial point. Probably the most important point in this entire thread. A good example is 1 Corinthians 7:8-9:

Quote:Here is my advice for people who have never been married and for widows. You should stay single, just as I am. But if you don’t have enough self-control, then go ahead and get married. After all, it is better to marry than to burn with desire.

Did Paul really mean this passage to apply to all Christians for all time, which would conflict with God's very first commandment in the bible to "be fruitful and multiply"? Of course not. It dealt with specific problems occurring in the Church in Corinth. At that time, there was a persecution occurring against Christians in Corinth. Paul says, “I think then that this is good in view of the present distress, that it is good for a man to remain as he is.” 1 Corinthians 7:26. Proper context is everything when interpreting scripture.
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(06-11-2019 08:12 PM)Going strong Wrote:  Interesting also, about the internet (www in Hebrew):

[Image: 666-hidden-corprate-logos.jpg?w=616]

Yes, I recall when Ronald Reagan was President. At the time, the few remaining Democrats who believed in God were arguing that he was the anti-Christ, because of the six letters in each of his names (6-6-6): Ronald Wilson Reagan

Democrats: "The anti-Christ has his finger on the button -- and he will nuke the poor innocent godless Soviet commies."

Instead, Ronald Reagan bankrupted the Soviet Union and freed Eastern Europe.

So, IMO eschatology is not worth debating. Spend your time studying the scripture that matters, raising a godly family, and doing good works.
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(06-09-2019 04:31 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Eschatology is the study of the end of human history (end of times). In Christianity, most of the prophecies concerning it are found in the Book of Daniel (Old Testament) and the Book of Revelation (New Testament). From my study into it so far, it is perhaps the hardest part of the Bible to understand, because prophets were shown end times through heavy use of metaphor instead of a real-life movie reel.

It's worth to start the discussion with the mark of the best, and how I think it will look like. The relevant passage is Revelation 13:11-18. It talks about how the false prophet (antithesis to John the Baptist) heralds the arrival of the antichrist (the "beast") and does miracle-like work for him to sway the masses into taking his mark.

Quote:11 Then I saw another beast [false prophet] coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast [antichrist] in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He [false prophet] performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives [f]those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

In this passage, the antichrist appears to come back to life from a deadly wound, thanks to the false prophet's healing powers, and that miracle is used to persuade much of the world that he is Christ, or at least a god. It then describes how everyone will be required to take the "mark" in their right hand or foreheads if they want to participate in commerce. If you take the mark, however, regardless of your prior faith or works, you are condemned to hell. Do not take the mark under any circumstance.

Revelation 14:9-11:

Quote:9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Many people speculate that the mark is some kind of chip, but we have to assume that it is visible, since it will serve as visible fealty to the antichrist. If it is not a visible mark, and is a chip, there still should be a way for antichrist followers to "proudly" display their mark as a way to pressure others to get it (or to condemn them). Therefore, I believe it's a tattoo of some sort, though a tattoo plus chip combination is also possible.

I have some ideas of how the mark may look based on my experience the past two days witnessing the gay pride extravaganza in the DC area. On Friday night, I went into a nightlife area of Washington DC. There was a gay flag on the front of nearly every bar or restaurant. I went into a restaurant that didn't have a gay flag outside, but when I used the bathroom, there was a flyer advertising the bar's "gay drink special." I later passed by another bar I used to pick up girls in, and it had multiple rainbow displays. Based on the busy crowds, people didn't seem to mind the pervasiveness of gay signaling, but it vexed me. I didn't feel comfortable.

On Saturday night, I went into a pizza place called Mod Pizza in the DC suburbs. After ordering my pizza, I went to pay for it and saw at the cash register a gay brownie (the package had a large gay sticker). When walking out, I noticed a smaller gay pride sticker on the door that I had missed when walking in. I decided that I need to be more diligent to avoid restaurants that signal for globohomo. But it gets harder when it involves companies that cater to basic needs. Here's a popular supermarket chain in the DC area that signals for gays:


So even if I don't dine in a homo restaurant and want to cook at home, I still have to think about where I am able to buy basic food ingredients. If you go to Twitter and look up everyday brands you use, you'll be surprised how many of them are on board with this.

Today, I had to go shopping for basic t-shirts. Everywhere I went (Macy's, Target, H&M) had gay paraphernalia inside the stores. Now while I can avoid certain restaurants, and even certain supermarkets, it is quite hard to avoid clothing shops, since just about all clothing sellers are big corporations that manufacture in Asia. I can't exactly make my own t-shirts (maybe in the future I can find a woman who can). But understand that making your own shirts or growing your own food is exactly what you will have to do when the mark comes. Unless you have the mark, you will NOT be able to buy from any store that is not explicitly Christian, which means any major corporation except for maybe Chik-fil-a.

If you think it's hard to avoid homo establishments today, you absolutely will not be prepared for when the mark comes, but again, the Bible makes clear that if you take the mark, you will be condemned, so things will get very difficult. In essence, what we are seeing today is a run-up to the actual Great Tribulation (the 7 years of when the antichrist takes over and institutes the mark), and how it will feel, though one-hundred times worse. I was in the DC area last June, and it was maybe half as bad as it is this June, so things are rapidly progressing towards the prophecy.

But how will the mark look like? Some people say it will be a number "666" or a word that somehow can be coded for that number. In the middle of last night, I woke up from a dream that I can't remember, and the words "Pride" and "Love" came to my mind. These words could be candidates for the mark, because they are "positive" words that already many misguided Christians have subscribed to. Another option is a tattoo of the pride rainbow, but this will be more difficult to tattoo, especially on people with dark skin color. The mark will be such that people will judge those who don't get it as evil or Satanic themselves (when the opposite is true), so I can easily imagine being labeled as a monster because I don't want "Love" tattooed on my face.

Even if the Tribulation won't happen until long after we're gone, it's clear that something similar to the mark will be made apparent in our lifetimes, especially if you live in major cities. The first step is for evil to make you accustomed to seeing globohomo imagery everywhere. The next one is to force you to make fealty to the symbol. This will come sooner than people think.

For more on eschatology, I recommend Dr. Robert Luginbill's take on it: https://www.ichthys.com/2B-Eschato.htm. It's quite long (about 100,000 words) but very complete.

Respectfully:

There are and have been thousands of religions over the course of human history on this planet. Why do you think the bible and its predictions are the correct oneS?
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(06-17-2019 06:02 PM)Pete Wrote:  Respectfully:

There are and have been thousands of religions over the course of human history on this planet. Why do you think the bible and its predictions are the correct oneS?

Because God told us so.

OK, while true, that was a little flippant. The Cliff Notes version is that God reveals himself to us through a variety of means: (1) through creation (Google the odds of just the random development of the marvel of the human eye), (2) through our conscience (God's law is written upon our hearts, otherwise we would just be another animal), (3) through Christ (read the Books of Acts -- numerous residents of Jerusalem saw the dead rise from the grave), and (4) through the cannon of scripture (its amazing internal unity, the hundreds of fulfilled prophecies, its amazing scientific accuracy and foresight, the supporting thousands of archaeological discoveries, and numerous details that have been corroborated by extrabiblical historical sources). These are just four of the many ways in which God has revealed himself.

Regarding point number three, many people (possibly thousands) actually witnessed the dead walking the streets of Jerusalem through the power of Jesus Christ.

Quote:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Matthew 27:51-53 King James Version (KJV)

This, and many other miracles, explains the motivation of the Apostles and of those who flocked to them -- and why their message has survived for thousands of years, while the vast majority of the "thousands of religions over the course of human history on this planet" that you mentioned have withered and died. That last point is also important. Why would a group of men all willingly sacrifice their lives (all the Apostles but John died as martyrs) for a lie, versus something that they had actually witnessed and knew was true?
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(06-17-2019 06:02 PM)Pete Wrote:  Respectfully:

There are and have been thousands of religions over the course of human history on this planet. Why do you think the bible and its predictions are the correct oneS?

Because without the Christian bible being correct the idea of "correct" (which implies truth) is absurd.
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Part one of a 22 series breaking down the entire Book of Revelation by Pastor Steven Anderson. Worth the watch.





Documentary called After The Tribulation.





Couple good sermons on the New World Order from other IFB preachers.








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I try not to get too worked up about theories on this topic, but I do find it fascinating and intellectually engaging, so I already spent a lot of time around it.

One of the approaches I agree with is to consider that the prophecies in the book are not necessarily about one period of time or one event, but rather that what it describes can to a certain extent apply to different periods and events. Each era can fulfill a few until eventually all will be fulfilled and the end will come. You can see in other books with end-times prophecy and commentary that certain eras end up fulfilling some (such as our dispositions coinciding perfectly with what is described in 2 Timothy 3 while still not being fully there yet and we might be rescued from final doom like other societies before or go on to completely fulfill it).

I have my own biases and I always had a fascination with end-times, dystopias and post-apocalyptic themes. What I see when I read Revelation is in great part a description of modern society, and in particular technology, with ancient lexicon and imagery. The most common occurrence, and most well known is of course the mark of the beast, and how it’s tied to digital currency and/or RFID chips.

I think there’s much more of these however, more veiled perhaps, such as nods to the internet, transgenderism/transhumanism, AI and more.

In Chapter 9, notice how it always says ‘were like’ as if he knows he is using language that is a little off:

Quote:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

Human-Animal hybrids, radical body modification, transgenderism, transhumanism? Except for the first one (that we know of) these are all realities now.

Chapter 10 has some funny things to consider:

Quote:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

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Honkler coming down from the "Cloud"?The ‘little book’ a smartphone?

Quote:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

The Clown Pill: funny, yet depressing.

Chapter 11:

Quote:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

How can every nation on earth see something happening in real time? Internet.

The verses before the mark of the beast verse in chapter 13 read:

Quote:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Fire coming down sounds an awful lot like bombs.

Quote:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

If you discount the linguistic distance from the time it was written to our time and era, it seems to me that the miracles refer to earthly technical achievement, as in, great technologies that the ancients could not imagine or describe. This does not imply that there is no supernatural element. Everything has a supernatural element.

Quote:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Artificial intelligence?

Obviously this is nothing more than speculation, some of it certainly far fetched, but interesting to think about.

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The mark of the beast was unveiled yesterday and it's facebook's global currency, libra. Unveiled by MARK (of the beast) Zuckerjew

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/opini...libra.html

The symbol is three sideways S's which is equivalent to 666.

Many threads on 4chan with people freaking out at how obvious this is.

Revelation 13:17
"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

> Facebook has already faced criticism over its plans, concern heightening after a list of partners for Libra went public this week.

>Including companies such as PayPal, commentators highlighted the possibility of data-sharing, manipulation and mistreatment on a major scale, with internet users potentially facing a ban on transacting online for transgressions.

>“Calibra is a *custodial* digital wallet. Users won’t manage keys. It is fully owned by Facebook, and will probably be the main way people use Libra, the token,” developer Udi Wertheimer wrote on Twitter, additionally noting any user will have to reveal their identity before using the coin.

This is the birth of the mark, they're just testing it. Who knows how long until they combine it with China's social credit system which currently even prevents citizens from taking flights or train rides if their score is too low, just like that Black Mirror episode.

This is also why cards have switched to chips, its wizardry. They're telling you to insert your chip to get you used to it, because pretty soon the chip will be inside of your right hand, with the libra symbol (aka 666) tattooed.
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