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RE: Eschatology: Mark of the Beast, Great Tribulation, Second Coming
(06-19-2019 06:51 PM)bigolteddies Wrote:  The mark of the beast was unveiled yesterday and it's facebook's global currency, libra.

Your hypothesis is almost 2000 years too late.

Quote:Nero Caesar fits the gematria code number "666." Using this code, his name would be rendered as "NRWN QSR." (NRWN QSR). The number values are:

N = 50
R = 200
W = 6
N = 50
Q = 100
S = 60
R = 200

which, when added together, equals 666. The fact that Nero fits the description of the "beast" is well documented. According to Suetonius, he murdered his parents, wife, brother, aunt, and many others close to him and of high station in Rome. He was a torturer, a homosexual rapist, and a sodomite. He even married two young boys and paraded them around as his wives. One of the boys, whose name was Sporus, was castrated by Nero. He was truly bestial in his character, depravity, and actions. He devised a kind of game: covered with the skin of some wild animal, he was let loose from a cage and attacked the private parts of men and women, who were bound at stakes. He also initiated the war against the Jews which led to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

Nero's persecution, which was initiated in A.D.64, was the first ever Roman assault on Christianity. Roman historian Tacitus (A.D. 56-117) spoke of Nero's "cruel nature" that "put to death so many innocent men." He records the scene in Rome when the persecution of Christians broke out: "And their death was aggravated with mockeries, insomuch that, wrapped in the hides of wild beasts, they were torn to pieces by dogs, or fastened to crosses to be set on fire, that when the darkness fell they might be burned to illuminate the night." Christians were crucified, beheaded, burnt alive, and used as torches to light the palace gardens. Historically, Nero is the one that persecuted Christians beyond all comparison. St. John's banishment to Patmos (where he wrote the book of Revelation) was itself a result of the great persecution of Nero. The apostle Paul was tortured and then beheaded by the evil Emperor Nero at Rome in A.D. 67. The apostle Peter, who was crucified upside down, was another victim of Nero.

How Nero fulfills Prophesy

In Revelation 13:7, the Beast is said to "make war with the saints and to overcome them." Revelation 13:5 says that the beast would conduct such blasphemous warfare for a specific period of time: 42 months. The Neronic persecution was instituted in 64 AD and lasted until his death in June 68 AD, which is three and a half years, or 42 months! Nero fits the bill for the role of the beast!

Revelation 13:10 and 14 says the Beast not only slays by the sword, but ultimately is to die of a sword wound. Do you know how Nero died? According to Suetonius, he "drove a dagger into his throat, aided by Epaphroditus, his private secretary" (ch.49). Nero killed with the sword and was killed by the sword. That Nero did, in fact, kill by the sword is a well-attested fact. Paul, for example, is said to have died under Nero by decapitation by means of the sword. Tertullian credits "Nero's cruel sword" as providing the martyr's blood as seed for the church. He urges his Roman readers to "Consult your histories; you will there find that Nero was the first who assailed with the imperial sword the Christian sect."

Nero died in the middle of the war on June 8th, 68 AD, and Vespasian went back to Rome to fight to become the new emperor. During this time the Christians fled Jerusalem because they heeded the warning of Matthew 24:16; the Jews thought the respite was a sign from God of victory and they gathered in Jerusalem in great numbers. The Romans came back and destroyed the city.

Revelation 17:3 tells us that the beast is red. The red color may be indicative of the bloodshed caused by the beast. But Suetonius writes of the legend associated with Nero's ancestral parentage, which explains why he had a red beard, which was very unusual in those times.

Revelation 17:10 says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." The five "kings" were not ruling at the same time, for the text stated "five are fallen," meaning that five of those kings had come and gone. Then "one is," meaning the "king" who was ruling at the time Revelation was written. Here, in this verse, we have one of the clearest proofs for Nero being the beast. If we simply examine the list of Roman Emperors, we will be able to determine who the sixth king was. Flavius Josephus clearly points out that Julius Caesar was the first emperor of Rome, followed by Augustus; Tiberius; Caius (Caligula); Claudius; and the sixth emperor was Nero (Antiquities, books 18 and 19), who assumed imperial power upon the death of the fifth emperor, Claudius, in October, A.D. 54. The matter is confirmed just a little later in the writings of Roman historians: Suetonius (Lives of the Twelve Caesars and Dio Cassius, Roman History 5). Nero reigned from 54AD to June of 68AD. John informs us that the seventh king was "not yet come." That would be Galba, who assumed power upon Nero's death in June, A.D. 68. But he was only to continue a "short space." As a matter of historical fact, his reign lasted but six months until January 15, A.D. 69.

What about the Beast's death-wound and his subsequent resurrection? Let us now consider John's revelation of the Beast arising from the dead (Revelation 13:3-4). At this point we need to reflect upon a most significant series of historical events of the A.D. 60s. First, with the death of Nero, the Roman Empire's founding family vanished from rule. Following the death of Nero was the extinction of the Julian line. Immediately, the Roman Empire was hurled into civil wars of horrible ferocity and dramatic proportions. These civil wars would strike everyone as being the very death throes of Rome, the Beast generically considered. Before the world's startled eyes, the seven-headed Beast (Rome) was toppling to its death as its sixth head (Nero) was mortally wounded with the sword.

Tacitus's detailed account of the ruin wreaked upon Rome almost equals in psychological horror, cultural devastation, and human carnage that which befell Jerusalem during the Jewish War, as recorded by Josephus and Tactius. The Roman civil wars were the first fruits of Nero's death. Josephus records that the destruction was so horrible, that the general Vespasian, "was not able to apply himself further in other wars when his native country was laid waste." Josephus agrees that during this time Rome was brought near to utter "ruin." He notes that "about this time it was that heavy calamities came about Rome on all sides." According to 4 Ezra 12:16-19, written around A.D. 100, the Empire was "in danger of falling": "In the midst of the time of that kingdom great struggles shall arise, and it shall be in danger of falling; nevertheless it shall not fall then, but shall regain its former power."

But what eventually occurred at the end of these death throes? Suetonius informs us that: "The empire, which for a long time had been unsettled and, as it were, drifting through the usurpation and violent death of three emperors, was at last taken in hand given stability by the Flavian family." Josephus sets forth this view of things when he writes: "So upon this confirmation of Vespasian's entire government, which was now settled, and upon the unexpected deliverance of the public affairs of the Romans from ruin, Vespasian turned his thoughts to what remained unsubdued in Judea." Thus, after a time of grievous civil wars, the Empire was revived by the ascending of Vespasian to the purple.

The point is not that Nero's name is the primary identification of 666. The point is, instead, what the number meant to the seven churches. St. John's Biblically informed readers will have already recognized many clear indications of the Beast's identity. Nero arrived on the scene as the first great persecutor of the Church, the embodiment of the "666-ness" of the Empire, and ' Lo and behold! ' his very name spells out 666! It is significant that "all the earliest Christian writers on the Apocalypse, from Irenaeus down to Victorious of Pettau and Commodian in the fourth, and Andreas in the fifth, and St. Beatus in the eighth century, connect Nero, or some Roman emperor, with the Apocalyptic Beast ." There should be no reasonable doubt about this identification. St. John was writing to first-century Christians, warning them of things that were "shortly" to take place. They were engaged in the most crucial battle of history, against the Dragon and the evil Empire which he possessed. The purpose of the Revelation was to comfort the Church with the assurance that God was in control, so that even the awesome might of the Dragon and the Beast would not stand before the armies of Jesus Christ. Christ was wounded in His heel on Friday, the sixth day, the Day of the Beast ' yet that is the day He crushed the Dragon's head. At his most powerful, St. John says, the Beast is just a six, or a series of sixes; never a seven.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Hyper/2...beast.html


Notice the language in bold letters. God allowed the Christians, who heeded the warnings of scripture, to flee from Jerusalem. On the other hand, the Jews, who killed Christ, were lured back to the City to await a horrific destruction. To see just how horrific, read "The Works of Josephus." God is always just.

Origen, who taught in the early 200s, pointedly restated the theme:

Quote:I challenge anyone to prove my statement untrue if I say that the entire Jewish nation was destroyed less than one whole generation later on account of these sufferings which they inflicted on Jesus. For it was, I believe, forty-two years from the time when they crucified Jesus to the destruction of Jerusalem. . . . For they committed the most impious crime of all, when they conspired against the Savior of mankind, in the city where they performed the customary rites which were symbols of profound mysteries. Therefore, that city where Jesus suffered these indignities had to be utterly destroyed. The Jewish nation had to be overthrown, and God’s invitation to blessedness transferred to others, I mean to the Christians, to whom came the teaching about the simple and pure worship of God. (Cels. 4.22)

Origen, Contra Celsum (trans. and ed. H. Chadwick; Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1965), 198–99.
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RE: Eschatology: Mark of the Beast, Great Tribulation, Second Coming
My theory

666 * 3 = 1998

The year Google was founded

The google brain will be the nerve center of the antichrist machine

This would also fit into the mark for buying and selling
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Yeah but why * 3?

I'm in the camp of "the mark of the beast is some kind of RFID chip that will be required to use all (digital) currency".

Doesn't have to be crypto. In fact it definitely won't be a real crypto currency cause crypto is sound money... and they can't have that.

It'll be a centrally issued fiat currency like before... but only available digitally. Hence the "war on cash".
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(06-19-2019 11:47 PM)Enhanced Eddie Wrote:  It'll be a centrally issued fiat currency like before... but only available digitally. Hence the "war on cash".

That's exactly what libra/zuckbucks is, it fits the bill perfectly.
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(06-19-2019 11:47 PM)Enhanced Eddie Wrote:  Yeah but why * 3?

I'm in the camp of "the mark of the beast is some kind of RFID chip that will be required to use all (digital) currency".

Doesn't have to be crypto. In fact it definitely won't be a real crypto currency cause crypto is sound money... and they can't have that.

It'll be a centrally issued fiat currency like before... but only available digitally. Hence the "war on cash".

In the bible the number three holds a special significance. There are many instances in the bible where the number three holds special significance.
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(06-20-2019 12:11 AM)bigolteddies Wrote:  
(06-19-2019 11:47 PM)Enhanced Eddie Wrote:  It'll be a centrally issued fiat currency like before... but only available digitally. Hence the "war on cash".

That's exactly what libra/zuckbucks is, it fits the bill perfectly.

I just read extensively about how libra is set up, even in league with VISA/MASTERCARD who realize that they might have a problem coming soon with digital type of currencies/payments: It's scary. If fiat loses confidence in many if not all places, they could easily try to lean on this as a "solution."

The exact opposite, though losing steam and possibility as a currency, is BTC as an asset class: decentralized, untracked (in itself, unlike libra which is purposefully made to be tracked and this is stated) and created with freedom and elegance.

Libra may in fact be a "type" along the lines of universal outcomes that the revelation mirrors, though I also agree with the above that 666 at least was clearly Nero. The sideways s in triplet definitely creates a spooky sensation, when you also realize that RFID is possible as technology associated with it.

Get your passport ready!
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(06-20-2019 09:19 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  I just read extensively about how libra is set up, even in league with VISA/MASTERCARD who realize that they might have a problem coming soon with digital type of currencies/payments: It's scary. If fiat loses confidence in many if not all places, they could easily try to lean on this as a "solution."

The exact opposite, though losing steam and possibility as a currency, is BTC as an asset class: decentralized, untracked (in itself, unlike libra which is purposefully made to be tracked and this is stated) and created with freedom and elegance.

Libra may in fact be a "type" along the lines of universal outcomes that the revelation mirrors, though I also agree with the above that 666 at least was clearly Nero. The sideways s in triplet definitely creates a spooky sensation, when you also realize that RFID is possible as technology associated with it.

Thank you for explaining my thoughts well I'm not good with giving details but you get it and once you see it you can't unsee it.

It's scary shit guys this is the beginning of it. They're just testing it now and still need to establish it, it could be 1 or 10 years from now but it will be the global means of controlling your every move. The social credit score tied into the chip means that if someone like Roosh, or more realistically any of us that frequent this forum can be barred from even buying food to feed our family.

Want to buy a plane ticket to escape? Too bad your social score is too low so you can't.

You will literally just die if you're not self-sufficient at that point. The only other choice, if this is the mark of the beast which seems very likely, would be to buy into this system and condemn your soul to eternity in hell.

I'm beginning to grow my own food and will continue to do as much as I can to prepare myself for this as possible, it will come sooner than you think.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Mark of the Beast is already here and we all use it willingly, your smartphone.

It tracks you, takes pics and vids of you. Constantly need to check it for messages and likes. You carry it around where ever you go. Use it as GPS. You sleep with it, use it as a debit/credit card. Fingerprint scan to unlock apps. Freak outs and withdrawal systems when you misplace it. The need of it for safety, just in case. The list goes on and on. You either have a smartphone or labelled as "someone living under a rock".

The smartphone may not be the mark of the Beast, but it is at least the prototype.
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(06-21-2019 02:15 PM)SilentOne Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if the Mark of the Beast is already here and we all use it willingly, your smartphone.

It tracks you, takes pics and vids of you. Constantly need to check it for messages and likes. You carry it around where ever you go. Use it as GPS. You sleep with it, use it as a debit/credit card. Fingerprint scan to unlock apps. Freak outs and withdrawal systems when you misplace it. The need of it for safety, just in case. The list goes on and on. You either have a smartphone or labelled as "someone living under a rock".

The smartphone may not be the mark of the Beast, but it is at least the prototype.

As Roosh said the mark will be on your forehead or right hand.

"The smartphone may not be the mark of the Beast, but it is at least the prototype."

I think this is correct. All the technology will converge into it. Payments (libra is the prototype), social credit score that prevents you from buying/selling, getting plane tickets if too low, social media profiles, will all be encompassed in it.
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(06-21-2019 02:15 PM)SilentOne Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if the Mark of the Beast is already here and we all use it willingly, your smartphone.

It tracks you, takes pics and vids of you. Constantly need to check it for messages and likes. You carry it around where ever you go. Use it as GPS. You sleep with it, use it as a debit/credit card. Fingerprint scan to unlock apps. Freak outs and withdrawal systems when you misplace it. The need of it for safety, just in case. The list goes on and on. You either have a smartphone or labelled as "someone living under a rock".

The smartphone may not be the mark of the Beast, but it is at least the prototype.

Especially now that scientists have proven that smartphone use causes children to grow horns.

Quote:New research shows young people are growing horn-like features on their skulls, and constant phone usage is being suggested as the reason.

https://www.local10.com/health/phone-use...y-believes
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They aren't horns. Maybe in another post I'll spell it out for the laypeople.

The technology stuff comes all in types. Be careful not to put too much of your own thinking onto things unless it's literally true. Also, remember that we can (as humans) and always have made idols of things. The new devices are no different. The 20th century and beyond was the time period in which humans "figured out" how to hook and propagandize people better than ever before: that we know about, at least.

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(06-21-2019 04:31 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 02:15 PM)SilentOne Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if the Mark of the Beast is already here and we all use it willingly, your smartphone.

It tracks you, takes pics and vids of you. Constantly need to check it for messages and likes. You carry it around where ever you go. Use it as GPS. You sleep with it, use it as a debit/credit card. Fingerprint scan to unlock apps. Freak outs and withdrawal systems when you misplace it. The need of it for safety, just in case. The list goes on and on. You either have a smartphone or labelled as "someone living under a rock".

The smartphone may not be the mark of the Beast, but it is at least the prototype.

Especially now that scientists have proven that smartphone use causes children to grow horns.

Quote:New research shows young people are growing horn-like features on their skulls, and constant phone usage is being suggested as the reason.

https://www.local10.com/health/phone-use...y-believes

OMG. That's it! I knew there was something subtly demonic about the teen next door.
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Exorcise that beast.

Give her the mark of the Lemon.

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(06-20-2019 12:11 AM)bigolteddies Wrote:  
(06-19-2019 11:47 PM)Enhanced Eddie Wrote:  It'll be a centrally issued fiat currency like before... but only available digitally. Hence the "war on cash".

That's exactly what libra/zuckbucks is, it fits the bill perfectly.

Indeed, if Facebook, via Libra becomes like a central bank, facebook/instragram can now monetize 'likes'

10 likes = 1 zuckbuck, you can earn money by having the right opinions or salacious pictures and you can also be banned from the platform entirely for having the wrong opinions.

it sounds like it combines all of the right evil factors.

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Problem with preterism. Is that with the coming of Christ. Every eye will see him and all believers who are dead will rise from the dead and will be raptured after his coming:

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
Quote:15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord
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There is also passages which talk about nations trying to physically hide from God once the 2nd coming is apparent. And everyone mourning and knowing that he is come at the same time.
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I don't think fagbook is going to become the masturbatory-celebrated platform these assholes hoped it would be. The more they ban people after banning words and certain themes the more they embolden their opponents. More and more people are leaving that shit. Better interactive communication services without censorship will take its place in due time.

Much of this is speculative fearmongering. Every life comes with a death sentence, it has been so since the expulsion from the garden. It shall be so until kingdom come. If you don't want to deal with all this economic control, and having to starve to death because of not taking the mark, which I have worried about in the past, then we should change gears on this thread and steer it towards how to become independent of the system to give all hardy Christians a leg up when the promised time arrives. How to build faraday cages, how to shield yourself from EMF, how to hunt with bows, how to skin an animal and prepare wild meat, and how to clean up your camp and move on in the wilderness without leaving an obvious trail.

You only have to survive for 42 months, once the dark days set in, if the interpretations of scripture are correct. That is if you plan on making it to the end, or, the reformation, of this current world.
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(06-22-2019 03:27 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  Problem with preterism. Is that with the coming of Christ. Every eye will see him and all believers who are dead will rise from the dead and will be raptured after his coming:

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
Quote:15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord
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There is also passages which talk about nations trying to physically hide from God once the 2nd coming is apparent. And everyone mourning and knowing that he is come at the same time.

Apples and oranges bro. You can't jumble Thessalonians with Mathew 24, Mark 13, and the Apocalypse of John. They are two totally different events. Jesus promised his disciples in Mathew 24:34 that "this generation shall not pass" before all these things occur. Mark 13 describes the same event with "the son of man coming in the clouds." Was he a liar? Of course not! So what's the context?

"And Jesus went out from the temple, and was going on his way; and his disciples came to him to show him the buildings of the temple. But he answered and said unto them, ‘You see all of these things, do you not? Truly I say unto you, there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down’” (Matthew 24:1-2).

So here it is. Jesus, after storming out of the temple prophesied that the temple would be destroyed within his generation. Mark 13 elucidates this point clearly where Jesus invokes Old Testament language in which the disciples of Christ would have understood that it was a coming in judgement; not the far off physical coming described in Thessalonians. That's yet to happen and it could be another 1000 years.

24 “But in those days, following that distress,

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
25 the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[c]

26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens."

So we can again see this is a coming in judgement because this is invoking standard fare OT judgement language that any jew at the time would have easily understood. As an example, Isiah 19:1 describes God coming down and "riding a swift cloud" in judgement against Egypt.

These events fit like a perfect puzzle pertaining to the Apocalypse of John. St. John addresses the seven local churches that are about to go through the tribulation with the Romans besieging Jerusalem and destroying the temple in AD 70. He relayed that these events were to "shortly take place," not thousands of years in the future. So yes, the partial preterist have it right because they understand the difference between a judgement coming versus the end of times physical coming.
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(06-22-2019 05:48 AM)Nacho Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 03:27 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  Problem with preterism. Is that with the coming of Christ. Every eye will see him and all believers who are dead will rise from the dead and will be raptured after his coming:

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
Quote:15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord
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There is also passages which talk about nations trying to physically hide from God once the 2nd coming is apparent. And everyone mourning and knowing that he is come at the same time.

Apples and oranges bro. You can't jumble Thessalonians with Mathew 24, Mark 13, and the Apocalypse of John. They are two totally different events. Jesus promised his disciples in Mathew 24:34 that "this generation shall not pass" before all these things occur. Mark 13 describes the same event with "the son of man coming in the clouds." Was he a liar? Of course not! So what's the context?

"And Jesus went out from the temple, and was going on his way; and his disciples came to him to show him the buildings of the temple. But he answered and said unto them, ‘You see all of these things, do you not? Truly I say unto you, there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down’” (Matthew 24:1-2).

So here it is. Jesus, after storming out of the temple prophesied that the temple would be destroyed within his generation. Mark 13 elucidates this point clearly where Jesus invokes Old Testament language in which the disciples of Christ would have understood that it was a coming in judgement; not the far off physical coming described in Thessalonians. That's yet to happen and it could be another 1000 years.

24 “But in those days, following that distress,

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
25 the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[c]

26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens."

So we can again see this is a coming in judgement because this is invoking standard fare OT judgement language that any jew at the time would have easily understood. As an example, Isiah 19:1 describes God coming down and "riding a swift cloud" in judgement against Egypt.

These events fit like a perfect puzzle pertaining to the Apocalypse of John. St. John addresses the seven local churches that are about to go through the tribulation with the Romans besieging Jerusalem and destroying the temple in AD 70. He relayed that these events were to "shortly take place," not thousands of years in the future. So yes, the partial preterist have it right because they understand the difference between a judgement coming versus the end of times physical coming.

You are right. Although I am definitely critiquing the full preterist view. As if the actual 2nd coming of Jesus is invisible contradicting the message of the angel in Acts 1 and somehow people don't simultaneously know about it with not accompanying resurrection of the righteous . The 70 AD prophecy was fulfilled as a partial fulfillment.

But he will truly come with the clouds. Else the angel in Acts 1 is a liar.
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(06-22-2019 03:27 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  Problem with preterism. Is that with the coming of Christ. Every eye will see him and all believers who are dead will rise from the dead and will be raptured after his coming:

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
Quote:15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord
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There is also passages which talk about nations trying to physically hide from God once the 2nd coming is apparent. And everyone mourning and knowing that he is come at the same time.

I am not completely convinced regarding full preterism, but I do think that a very convincing argument can be made that it is the most likely scenario (if you are willing to perform the research).

The “meeting in the air” is not a literal rapture of believers, but a symbolic depiction of the final battle of Christ and the powers of darkness which oppose him and his people. It is a powerful metaphor describing what Christ and his hosts accomplish in the day of his coming, vanquishing the gods and demons which the Thessalonians feared had jeopardized their own salvation and that of their departed loved ones. At the parousia, when the angels “gather his elect from the four winds” (Matt 24:31), at their “assembling to meet him” (2 Thess 2:1), they behold the victory of Christ over Satan and the air is purified of all demonic forces.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/1997_ot...more-37354

As I previously posted, there are multiple contemporaneous historical eyewitness accounts of a great battle raging in the heavens, which occurred at the very same time that the Romans destroyed both Jerusalem and the temple (as foretold by Jesus), thereby destroying Jewish worship at the temple for all time.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73430...pid1992540
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RE: Eschatology: Mark of the Beast, Great Tribulation, Second Coming
Full preterism is a heresy. The church has always affirmed the second coming of Christ. Dr. Kenneth Gentry Jr. and Gary Demar have some excellent material on the subject matter. They are partial preterist and have authored some good books on the subject matter. You can also look at some material they put out on youtube.
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RE: Eschatology: Mark of the Beast, Great Tribulation, Second Coming
(06-22-2019 11:14 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 03:27 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  Problem with preterism. Is that with the coming of Christ. Every eye will see him and all believers who are dead will rise from the dead and will be raptured after his coming:

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
Quote:15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord
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There is also passages which talk about nations trying to physically hide from God once the 2nd coming is apparent. And everyone mourning and knowing that he is come at the same time.

I am not completely convinced regarding full preterism, but I do think that a very convincing argument can be made that it is the most likely scenario (if you are willing to perform the research).

The “meeting in the air” is not a literal rapture of believers, but a symbolic depiction of the final battle of Christ and the powers of darkness which oppose him and his people. It is a powerful metaphor describing what Christ and his hosts accomplish in the day of his coming, vanquishing the gods and demons which the Thessalonians feared had jeopardized their own salvation and that of their departed loved ones. At the parousia, when the angels “gather his elect from the four winds” (Matt 24:31), at their “assembling to meet him” (2 Thess 2:1), they behold the victory of Christ over Satan and the air is purified of all demonic forces.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/1997_ot...more-37354

As I previously posted, there are multiple contemporaneous historical eyewitness accounts of a great battle raging in the heavens, which occurred at the very same time that the Romans destroyed both Jerusalem and the temple (as foretold by Jesus), thereby destroying Jewish worship at the temple for all time.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73430...pid1992540

There is also the historical aspect. Not only of the resurrection of the righteous. But that all the armies of the world will try to battle Jesus when he returns 2nd time around. Before being killed.

I don't think preterism can account for the prediction that when Jesus comes "Every eye will see him". Everyone will know without a doubt that its him. And that he will come in the same manner he has ascended(Acts 1). Prompting people to flee into the caves.

There hasn't been a simultaneous resurrection of all the righteous dead that would coincide with his true 2nd coming.
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(06-22-2019 11:12 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  There hasn't been a simultaneous resurrection of all the righteous dead that would coincide with his true 2nd coming.

This likely occurred on September 24, 70 AD, shortly after the destruction of the temple.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Hyper/2...ction.html
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(06-22-2019 11:43 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 11:12 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  There hasn't been a simultaneous resurrection of all the righteous dead that would coincide with his true 2nd coming.

This likely occurred on September 24, 70 AD, shortly after the destruction of the temple.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Hyper/2...ction.html

Perhaps. But there hasn't been any evidence of people fleeing to hide from Jesus all over the world. Nor armies being raised to try to kill Jesus as he comes. So perhaps Jesus did come. But its not really the 2nd coming.

And then there is the 1000 year reign where people are meant to live as long as trees and people who die at 100 are considered as youths.



Quote:20No longer will a nursing infant live but a few days,

or an old man not live out his days.

For the youth will die at a hundred years,

and he who fails to reach a hundred

will be considered accursed.


21They will build houses and dwell in them;

they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.

22No longer will they build houses for others to inhabit,

nor plant for others to eat.

For as is the lifetime of a tree,

so will be the days of My people
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https://www.biblehub.com/bsb/isaiah/65.htm
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(06-23-2019 12:32 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 11:43 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 11:12 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  There hasn't been a simultaneous resurrection of all the righteous dead that would coincide with his true 2nd coming.

This likely occurred on September 24, 70 AD, shortly after the destruction of the temple.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Hyper/2...ction.html

Perhaps. But there hasn't been any evidence of people fleeing to hide from Jesus all over the world. Nor armies being raised to try to kill Jesus as he comes.

To which bible verses do you refer?
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(06-23-2019 12:36 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 12:32 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 11:43 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 11:12 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  There hasn't been a simultaneous resurrection of all the righteous dead that would coincide with his true 2nd coming.

This likely occurred on September 24, 70 AD, shortly after the destruction of the temple.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Hyper/2...ction.html

Perhaps. But there hasn't been any evidence of people fleeing to hide from Jesus all over the world. Nor armies being raised to try to kill Jesus as he comes.

To which bible verses do you refer?

Quote:11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood,a and His name is The Word of God.

14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter.b He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty. 16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:King of kings and Lord of lords.

Quote:17Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of all men slave and free, small and great.”

19Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army. 20But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.

And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

https://biblehub.com/bsb/revelation/19.htm

Quote:Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him— even those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen

https://biblehub.com/revelation/1-7.htm


Quote:12And when I saw the Lamb open the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.

15Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. 17For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”

https://biblehub.com/bsb/revelation/6.htm
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