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RE: Retiring from the game at 40?
I started hating clubs, loud music, entitled club-sluts with bitch shields and terrible hangovers the day after, somewhere around 30..

The best age for a men to retire and settle down is 35.
06-17-2019 09:33 AM
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I completely get what you're saying.

I've been to SE Asia and Europe. I could never get with a SEA woman - I'm not attracted to them even in the slightest.

The thing is - I actually love the quality of life in the West and my lifestyle here. It's just the dating market that seems soul sucking.

Europe is nowhere near as easy as what guys think it is if you're trying to go all the way and have a quality LTR or wife (short term, or relationships that don't last where you end up saying good bye and bouncing to another country or back home are a different story). In the places where you don't have to be a local or don't have to become part of the local groups, you're still going to run into issues like where you guys live, visas, cultural differences, etc. when it comes time to get really serious and settle down. As much as I like Europe, I couldn't live there long term (unless I develop depression eventually in the West). I just feel out of place there when I've spent most of my life in Australia. That's an issue for me long term ... even if I get really desperate for companionship or a family as I age.

Africa ... may as well be Mars.

Certainly not trying to sh*t on your suggestion - but, I don't think it's as straightforward as it's made out to be on this forum sometimes. Some guys go over to these places just for dating or finding a wife, and hate everything else about the place they are living in, let alone what plans and funding they have when they find a suitable woman.

How have you gone so far abroad in terms of finding a place you like, finding a wife and how long it took you?
06-17-2019 09:48 AM
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RE: Retiring from the game at 40?
(06-17-2019 09:48 AM)GT777733 Wrote:  I completely get what you're saying.

I've been to SE Asia and Europe. I could never get with a SEA woman - I'm not attracted to them even in the slightest.

The thing is - I actually love the quality of life in the West and my lifestyle here. It's just the dating market that seems soul sucking.

Europe is nowhere near as easy as what guys think it is if you're trying to go all the way and have a quality LTR or wife (short term, or relationships that don't last where you end up saying good bye and bouncing to another country or back home are a different story). In the places where you don't have to be a local or don't have to become part of the local groups, you're still going to run into issues like where you guys live, visas, cultural differences, etc. when it comes time to get really serious and settle down. As much as I like Europe, I couldn't live there long term (unless I develop depression eventually in the West). I just feel out of place there when I've spent most of my life in Australia. That's an issue for me long term ... even if I get really desperate for companionship or a family as I age.

Africa ... may as well be Mars.

Certainly not trying to sh*t on your suggestion - but, I don't think it's as straightforward as it's made out to be on this forum sometimes. Some guys go over to these places just for dating or finding a wife, and hate everything else about the place they are living in, let alone what plans and funding they have when they find a suitable woman.

How have you gone so far abroad in terms of finding a place you like, finding a wife and how long it took you?

Yeah, I think it´s important to become a global citizen and have geographical independence.
If you like the standard of living in the west, the quality of life, etc, use the west for those things, and get outside to enjoy better dating markets.
06-17-2019 08:05 PM
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(06-17-2019 08:05 PM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  
(06-17-2019 09:48 AM)GT777733 Wrote:  I completely get what you're saying.

I've been to SE Asia and Europe. I could never get with a SEA woman - I'm not attracted to them even in the slightest.

The thing is - I actually love the quality of life in the West and my lifestyle here. It's just the dating market that seems soul sucking.

Europe is nowhere near as easy as what guys think it is if you're trying to go all the way and have a quality LTR or wife (short term, or relationships that don't last where you end up saying good bye and bouncing to another country or back home are a different story). In the places where you don't have to be a local or don't have to become part of the local groups, you're still going to run into issues like where you guys live, visas, cultural differences, etc. when it comes time to get really serious and settle down. As much as I like Europe, I couldn't live there long term (unless I develop depression eventually in the West). I just feel out of place there when I've spent most of my life in Australia. That's an issue for me long term ... even if I get really desperate for companionship or a family as I age.

Africa ... may as well be Mars.

Certainly not trying to sh*t on your suggestion - but, I don't think it's as straightforward as it's made out to be on this forum sometimes. Some guys go over to these places just for dating or finding a wife, and hate everything else about the place they are living in, let alone what plans and funding they have when they find a suitable woman.

How have you gone so far abroad in terms of finding a place you like, finding a wife and how long it took you?

Yeah, I think it´s important to become a global citizen and have geographical independence.
If you like the standard of living in the west, the quality of life, etc, use the west for those things, and get outside to enjoy better dating markets.

I think you're exactly right.
Thanks for the reminder.
06-17-2019 09:06 PM
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(06-17-2019 08:49 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  Take this piece of advice from a 37 year old man: you won´t find an adequate woman in the west.
Take advantage of the fact that you earn your money in dollars, find a way to work remotely and start visiting SE Asia, Eastern Europe and Africa to find a country with a culture that you like and where people still get married and men call the shots. Search for a wife there.

When you bring her back to the west though, how will you prevent her from being corrupted?
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RE: Retiring from the game at 40?
You might be done with game, but the game is never done with you

PapayaTapper Wrote:you seem to have a penchant for sticking your dick in high drama retarded trash.
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(06-18-2019 12:55 AM)tugofpeace Wrote:  
(06-17-2019 08:49 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  Take this piece of advice from a 37 year old man: you won´t find an adequate woman in the west.
Take advantage of the fact that you earn your money in dollars, find a way to work remotely and start visiting SE Asia, Eastern Europe and Africa to find a country with a culture that you like and where people still get married and men call the shots. Search for a wife there.

When you bring her back to the west though, how will you prevent her from being corrupted?

You won´t bring her back to the west.
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(06-18-2019 09:08 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  
(06-18-2019 12:55 AM)tugofpeace Wrote:  
(06-17-2019 08:49 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  Take this piece of advice from a 37 year old man: you won´t find an adequate woman in the west.
Take advantage of the fact that you earn your money in dollars, find a way to work remotely and start visiting SE Asia, Eastern Europe and Africa to find a country with a culture that you like and where people still get married and men call the shots. Search for a wife there.

When you bring her back to the west though, how will you prevent her from being corrupted?

You won´t bring her back to the west.

Aaah very smart. So you keep her as a long distance relationship.. you stay in the west while she lives abroad. Smart Wink
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(06-17-2019 08:49 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  Take this piece of advice from a 37 year old man: you won´t find an adequate woman in the west.
Take advantage of the fact that you earn your money in dollars, find a way to work remotely and start visiting SE Asia, Eastern Europe and Africa to find a country with a culture that you like and where people still get married and men call the shots. Search for a wife there.

The question is: Are there any old guys (50+) without travel ambitions regretting not going with an inadequate woman in the West?
06-26-2019 08:59 AM
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It’s funny because guys that are in LTR’s miss the chase and getting a variety of sex out in the dating market (I’m in this camp) and guys out there having 2 or 3 plates and getting a variety of women want an LTR or something solid with a quality girl (some posters here and also my buddy who just hit 100 notches has this sentiment). The grass always seems greener, it seems that the eternal struggle for a human is taking for granted what we have and wanting what we don’t have. As for myself, I am confident as I develop more I could attract a woman that is an 8 or higher (I’ve banged a few) but finding an 8+ that isn’t a smartphone addicted attention-fiend carousel rider seems really difficult. My current girl is a solid 7 but pretty much a 9/10 in personality/disposition, I’m not sure if I could find a hotter girl that worships me like she does. I’m too young to hang it up and I don’t want to get married but hearing stories from the guys in the trenches makes me wary of diving back in to the sexual jungle
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RE: Retiring from the game at 40?
It sounds like you have wisdom, Blast.

It is indeed always greener. Those of us who were raised properly know this, and we also know that we would have been (somewhat) different people in a proper culture, at least in progressin or life set-up. No excuses, just reality.

One of the weirdest things I come across are 3rd world or traditional immigrants that have all the great benefits of the traditional world, but are clueless about the hypocrisy of supporting anti-traditional policies. What's funnier is how clueless they are as a matter of fact when their kids are "gay" or have no kids. But they drank a lot of wine in the time being! Yay!

Get your passport ready!
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(06-26-2019 11:16 AM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  My current girl is a solid 7 but pretty much a 9/10 in personality/disposition, I’m not sure if I could find a hotter girl that worships me like she does. I’m too young to hang it up and I don’t want to get married but hearing stories from the guys in the trenches makes me wary of diving back in to the sexual jungle

Blast, it is indeed an unpredictable jungle out there.

Keep in mind, that during high fertility a women will often put forth elevated levels of love and loyalty because they are seeking to nest and procreate. However, once they get what they want (i.e. marriage and kids), over time those loyalties can sometimes change rather quickly and unexpectedly based on a shift in her perceived needs. The problem is that this fickle change in character is almost impossible to predict and once you're married and have kids with a woman your basically stuck with these whimsical shifts in personality and mood swings.
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RE: Retiring from the game at 40?
40 is a good age to find a LTR if you can pull it off. Guys with bad genetics should look for a LTR before 26.
Marriage is NEVER a good idea !!

Assuming you have had a LOT of intimate experiences with a variety of women, 35 - 40 is the range where you value and appreciate a LTR (no more grass is greener syndrome).

Inferior Game + Inferior Genetics = Incel
Superior Game + Inferior Genetics = Incel

Inferior Game + Average Genetics = Friend zone
Superior Game + Average Genetics = Beta Bucks
Inferior Game + Superior Genetics = Alpha
Superior Game + Superior Genetics = Game of Life: now on EASY mode
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(06-17-2019 08:49 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  
(06-17-2019 07:57 AM)GT777733 Wrote:  I am right at the end of my 20's.

I am not over sex - I've still got a very high sex drive.

But, I've definitely found I'm moving towards wanting an LTR for various reasons far more seriously than ever before, and I'm screening out girls hard that are 7's and below (when you consider looks, how in shape she is, intelligence, personality, conversational skills - the whole package).

Don't get me wrong - I still enjoy friendly female company, but connection is something that really does it for me at this point in my life.

This basically gets rid of 90% of the market which is a problem in itself (I can go a few days to a week or two now without even talking to a girl I'm attracted to).

The other problem I am finding in the modern dating market is that the hotter the girl (I'm talking for an LTR, not ONS or STR) - the more likelihood she has been completely and utterly spoiled rotten and mentally corrupted by the 1000's of guys after her attention and time on social media and in real life.

The last girl I was seeing very recently in my opinion was an 8.5 (big boobs, amazing conversationalist, funny, petite body, beautiful looking), had a few red flags (I was willing to address them with her and work through them), and after a few dates, I genuinely thought she was going to be a legitimate LTR (I was reminding myself to stay level headed, but it was looking pretty damn good). Then she flipped one day and went cold - I was incredibly cut up for a few days. I found out she had got pulled out for a night out with a group of her friends that knew one of the guys she was seeing recently, and they got into an argument, and it became a shit show that I just couldn't deal with anymore because she was acting up and I was losing my dignity and respect getting involved. I had to pull the pin on her and it was incredibly disappointing (it put a massive dent on my attitude towards the dating scene for a bit). It's kind of like what Roosh has said in the past - your hands are tied to a certain extent when it comes to a girl's external environment - sometimes it can take a village to keep her in check ... no matter what you offer as a guy.

I get depressed sometimes thinking if I want a relationship in the West, I'm going to have to settle for a 7 or lower, but with the amount of work I've put into myself over the last decade (not only the quantity of work, but the difficulty of it and how painful it's been at times) - I just can't bring myself to do that (it does cross my mind that older guys on this forum have said women's looks degrade quickly into their 30's and once they start popping out kids - but, I still want what I think is my fair slice of the pie)

At the moment, I try to focus on what I can control - work, friends, family, health, reading about the lives of other red pill men on the internet and how they are approaching things, personal projects etc.

But, there is that part of you that thinks that the right girl would just take your attitude and motivation to tackle life together to that next level, and obviously the option to have kids and a family is something you can't buy with any amount of money.

I'm wise enough and experienced enough now though to know that there's no perfect girl out there (they all have their problems and you as the man are always going to bring more competence and value to the relationship than her - that's just the way it is), and no woman can make you happy (you have to find that yourself). But, they can definitely complement you and balance you out.

I do remind myself that if I see or hear of a guy with a girl that sounds too good to be true - either he combined skill with luck/timing and good on him, or, I have no idea what he did to get the girl and what he's doing to keep her (how much he's sacrificed his values, how much he buys her stuff, how much he manipulates and lies to her or cheats on her etc.).

Those are my thoughts for now - I haven't given up, but I'm very very selective about how I devote my time to dating now.

It can get monotonous and boring at times, but I try to practice mindfulness and stay productive, and let the rest take care of itself.

I should probably also remind myself that I put myself in this situation and I need to get better at absolutely owning that. If you want great things in life - you have to be willing to deal with the consequences of these choices and the scenario that you might not end up with what you want.

Take this piece of advice from a 37 year old man: you won´t find an adequate woman in the west.
Take advantage of the fact that you earn your money in dollars, find a way to work remotely and start visiting SE Asia, Eastern Europe and Africa to find a country with a culture that you like and where people still get married and men call the shots. Search for a wife there.
Within 20 years most Asian places will have a western mentality with dating as well. Its already happening in Thailand, Korea, Japan.
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(06-26-2019 08:07 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  It sounds like you have wisdom, Blast.

Ha, I'm just trying to figure things out just like everyone else!Idea

(06-26-2019 08:42 PM)MyFabolousLife Wrote:  Keep in mind, that during high fertility a women will often put forth elevated levels of love and loyalty because they are seeking to nest and procreate. However, once they get what they want (i.e. marriage and kids), over time those loyalties can sometimes change rather quickly and unexpectedly based on a shift in her perceived needs. The problem is that this fickle change in character is almost impossible to predict and once you're married and have kids with a woman your basically stuck with these whimsical shifts in personality and mood swings.

Dude, too true from what I hear. In my job (sales) I deal with a lot of everyday normal people on a one-on-one basis, with the people I do business with a lot of rapport is built and we get pretty personal. I'll often ask married men about marriage and what they would do differently. 100% of them always say that women change after marriage. They kind of shrug with an "it is what it is" kind of facial expression and just seem to accept it.
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(06-10-2019 03:52 PM)MyFabolousLife Wrote:  I think men's tastes and preferences typically change over time, so it probably comes as little surprise to people that at age 40 you are not as interested in a casual fling or STR. But what's the alternative? A wife and kids?

Mine never did, I still like 19 year old women, it's just a bit harder to find one that will marry me now I'm over 60 (and my wife would probably object to relegation).
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(06-26-2019 11:16 AM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  It’s funny because guys that are in LTR’s miss the chase and getting a variety of sex out in the dating market (I’m in this camp) and guys out there having 2 or 3 plates and getting a variety of women want an LTR or something solid with a quality girl (some posters here and also my buddy who just hit 100 notches has this sentiment). The grass always seems greener, it seems that the eternal struggle for a human is taking for granted what we have and wanting what we don’t have. As for myself, I am confident as I develop more I could attract a woman that is an 8 or higher (I’ve banged a few) but finding an 8+ that isn’t a smartphone addicted attention-fiend carousel rider seems really difficult. My current girl is a solid 7 but pretty much a 9/10 in personality/disposition, I’m not sure if I could find a hotter girl that worships me like she does. I’m too young to hang it up and I don’t want to get married but hearing stories from the guys in the trenches makes me wary of diving back in to the sexual jungle

I'm living in Asia (Thailand), a wife and girlfriend(s) is considered entirely normal.
I'm off to Da Nang (Vietnam) for a long weekend tomorrow, my wife says I should have some fun while I'm away.
You're just living in the wrong country/period in time.
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I'm in my mid 40's and started game a few years ago. Since then my sex life has had an enormous boost both quantity and quality wise. I did not use to have a overly high sex drive but this has definitely changed.

Sex drive depends on both psychological and physical factors. After a few years of intense gaming and getting older at the same time, I still find it challenging and rewarding. However, in terms of physical sex drive, I am more demanding now in terms of the quality of the girls and the quality of the sex.

I had an attractive girl for more than year who was a near nympho. We had extremely good sex (and a lot of it) and it even kept getting better until the end. This (having a lot of good sex) definitely keeps your sex drive up. Especially for older guys, this may be important as they may find it more difficult to get satisfying sex out of ONS's, compared to younger guys.
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(07-02-2019 11:55 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  I'm off to Da Nang (Vietnam) for a long weekend tomorrow, my wife says I should have some fun while I'm away.
You're just living in the wrong country/period in time.

Doesn't sound like a proper marriage to me. If my "wife" ever said that, I'd divorce her on the spot. She clearly doesn't hold martial values to mean anything.

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(06-17-2019 08:05 PM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  Yeah, I think it´s important to become a global citizen and have geographical independence.

If you like the standard of living in the west, the quality of life, etc, use the west for those things, and get outside to enjoy better dating markets.

   

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