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Top 10 Places Ruined by Tourism
I can only take credit for Croatia, Venice, Thailand and Amsterdam. Everyday, I'm feeling like Medellin is trending in this direction lol. No dounbt the world seems much smaller thanks to the internet and social media.



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The ruination of Prague in the last decade, especially during the summer months, has been pretty brutal to witness.
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(06-23-2019 12:03 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  I can only take credit for Croatia, Venice, Thailand and Amsterdam. Everyday, I'm feeling like Medellin is trending in this direction lol. No dounbt the world seems much smaller thanks to the internet and social media.




Also Bogota and Cali (the colombian city, not the american state) are slowly becoming tourist traps. I know this because seeing tourists in Bogota were a rarity in the 2000s, but nowadays It's becomming so common to see so many tourists in this city that some coffee shops and restaurants are hiring employees who can hear and speak in english. As for Cali, the city is getting more and more foreign tourists since 2015, but not at the same speed as Bogota or Medellin.
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RE: Top 10 Places Ruined by Tourism
Such is the life cycle of a great place.

1. Men discover how great it is.

2. Men tell their inner circles and close friends, now it becomes that cool but niche place only a few know about.

3. Word gets out and people share it in bigger but still more close communities about how great it is.

4. Word gets out even more and now it becomes popular, to the point of going mainstream.

5. What is cool and niche becomes mainstream, now commoners invade it and ruin it for everyone.

6. Men from number 1 on this post find a new place.

7. The place continues to be mainstream and ruined, locals even become tired of outsiders.

8. The people who made it great have left and now the place is ruined.

I missed some steps but this also applies to bars and clubs in cities.
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(06-23-2019 04:56 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  Such is the life cycle of a great place.

1. Men discover how great it is.

2. Men tell their inner circles and close friends, now it becomes that cool but niche place only a few know about.

3. Word gets out and people share it in bigger but still more close communities about how great it is.

4. Word gets out even more and now it becomes popular, to the point of going mainstream.

5. What is cool and niche becomes mainstream, now commoners invade it and ruin it for everyone.

6. Men from number 1 on this post find a new place.

7. The place continues to be mainstream and ruined, locals even become tired of outsiders.

8. The people who made it great have left and now the place is ruined.

I missed some steps but this also applies to bars and clubs in cities.

Look at the bright side. If you discover such a place and then invest in a condo or an apartment for rentals in stages 1-3, then you will make a killing!
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(06-23-2019 03:45 PM)DrCotard Wrote:  As for Cali, the city is getting more and more foreign tourists since 2015.

Yep, I'm starting to see more internet clowns posting about Cali on youtube and facebook.
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Barcelona for sure. Rents went up %800 since 2005.
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I try to avoid being around too many people while on vacation. My most memorable trip was at a beach resort with my then girl friend. I could walk out of my room and be within a few yards of the ocean. I woke up at around 6 AM and watched the sunrise while sitting on the beach. The great thing about it was that the resort was secluded, very inexpensive and the beach was EMPTY.

Other than that, I have no desire to visit any of the places on that list.
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Ukraine
Czechia
Poland
Latvia
Croatia
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Prague
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Paris. I don't know what it was like decades ago, but I'm sure the millions of loud, obnoxious tourists wielding selfie-sticks has altered its ambience for the worse.
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Game of Thrones ruined Dubrovnik,Croatia . I have been in Dubrovnik a couple of times before 2013 and it was beatiful, cheap and not crowded at all. There were some tourist and mayn girls from Croatia and the balkans to game on. Then game of thrones started using it as the set of King´s landing. The prices went sky high, full of people, impossible to enjoy the views of the city without some chinese/american taking selfies. The balkan girls started to avoid the place, it is just so fucking sad.

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(06-24-2019 07:48 PM)Ouroboros Wrote:  Paris. I don't know what it was like decades ago, but I'm sure the millions of loud, obnoxious tourists wielding selfie-sticks has altered its ambience for the worse.

They're the least of your worries.
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(06-23-2019 03:45 PM)DrCotard Wrote:  Also Bogota and Cali (the colombian city, not the american state) are slowly becoming tourist traps. I know this because seeing tourists in Bogota were a rarity in the 2000s, but nowadays It's becomming so common to see so many tourists in this city that some coffee shops and restaurants are hiring employees who can hear and speak in english. As for Cali, the city is getting more and more foreign tourists since 2015, but not at the same speed as Bogota or Medellin.

I think those dates line up with LINUX's Cali Thread
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Prague, by far. There were so many people I couldn't wait to leave. Looking back it was a bad idea to go during the summer. I wouldn't go to any European capital in the summer to be a tourist again.
(06-25-2019 05:56 AM)OCZ Wrote:  Game of Thrones ruined Dubrovnik,Croatia . I have been in Dubrovnik a couple of times before 2013 and it was beatiful, cheap and not crowded at all. There were some tourist and mayn girls from Croatia and the balkans to game on. Then game of thrones started using it as the set of King´s landing. The prices went sky high, full of people, impossible to enjoy the views of the city without some chinese/american taking selfies. The balkan girls started to avoid the place, it is just so fucking sad.

Game of Thrones has ruined A LOT of places. Iceland and Seville, Spain are other ones. Belfast will be one soon if it isn't already, especially after the post-series documentary aired.
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As a rule of thumb, anywhere Americans go I find the prices to be more expensive. You see a Starbucks, you know it’s heyday is long gone.

For example, Once Cuba opens its doors to the large volumes of tourists from the USA, goodbye Cuba of the past. Will oversaturated tourist destinations regress and return to their heydays where a tourist is rare.... perhaps.
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Is there anywhere that has seen a major tourism decrease? Seems like with the economy generally in an upswing the last ten years, no major geopolitical shocks, and the internet making it easier than ever to book travel, there has just been a general surge of travel throughout the world in recent times. Not to mention China's newly affluent middle class being a major source of tourists for many of these destinations.

Given all the doom and gloom in the political threads, I doubt this oversaturation of tourism is going to last for much longer though.
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(06-25-2019 03:27 PM)tomtud Wrote:  As a rule of thumb, anywhere Americans go I find the prices to be more expensive. You see a Starbucks, you know it’s heyday is long gone.

For example, Once Cuba opens its doors to the large volumes of tourists from the USA, goodbye Cuba of the past. Will oversaturated tourist destinations regress and return to their heydays where a tourist is rare.... perhaps.

Because Americans tip a lot more than they should.

Once local business owners understand that customers can afford to give lets say a 30% tip, they will then raise the prices 30%...

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(06-25-2019 08:25 PM)Rocha Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 03:27 PM)tomtud Wrote:  As a rule of thumb, anywhere Americans go I find the prices to be more expensive. You see a Starbucks, you know it’s heyday is long gone.

For example, Once Cuba opens its doors to the large volumes of tourists from the USA, goodbye Cuba of the past. Will oversaturated tourist destinations regress and return to their heydays where a tourist is rare.... perhaps.

Because Americans tip a lot more than they should.

Once local business owners understand that customers can afford to give lets say a 30% tip, they will then raise the prices 30%...

As usual, it is Europe's fault for originating the custom. It is rumored that the Moors, after they invaded Spain, were notoriously good tippers. Americans, as they often do, then took it to the ultimate extreme. The problem in the U.S. is that, once tipping became common-place, restaurant owners began paying their staff lower wages, which then made the expectation of a tip even more important to these workers.

Quote:The practice of tipping may have begun in the late Middle Ages when a master gave his servant a few coins as an expression of good will. By the 16th century, guests at English mansions were expected to give a "vail" or a small amount of money at the end of the visit to compensate the owner's servants who did work above and beyond their ordinary duties.

Kerry Segrave, the author of Tipping: An American History of Social Gratuities, explains that "by 1760, footmen, valets, and gentleman's servants all expected vails, leading to great expense to the guests. The gentry and aristocracy began to complain. An attempt to abolish vails in London in 1764 led to rioting." Tipping soon spread to British commercial establishments such as hotels, pubs, and restaurants.

Tipping in America

Prior to 1840, Americans did not tip. But, after the Civil War, newly rich Americans visited Europe and brought the practice back home to show that they had been abroad and knew genteel customs. A New York Times editor grumbled that, once tipping took hold in the United States, it spread rapidly like "evil insects and weeds."

By the 1900s, Americans considered tipping to be the norm and, in fact, were frequently criticized for overtipping. Englishmen complained that "liberal but misguided" Americans tipped too much, leading servants to feel shortchanged by the British. Similarly, a 1908 travel magazine found that Americans overtipped but received poorer service because Americans did not know how to treat servants and service members.

https://www.tripsavvy.com/a-brief-histor...ng-1329249
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RE: Top 10 Places Ruined by Tourism
Japan.

Mainly Kyoto, Tokyo and Osaka.

10 million tourist in 2013, more than 30 in 2018.
The japanese government hopes to exceed 40 million by 2020.

People in Kyoto are sick of it. They use the word 観光公害 for "tourism pollution".
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(06-26-2019 05:20 PM)Aceto Balsamico Wrote:  Japan.

Mainly Kyoto, Tokyo and Osaka.

10 million tourist in 2013, more than 30 in 2018.
The japanese government hopes to exceed 40 million by 2020.

People in Kyoto are sick of it. They use the word 観光公害 for "tourism pollution".

I'm sure those numbers are right, but after having spent 3 months there Japan felt just right - not too touristy but a healthy dose of foreigners walking around. In the neighborhood where I stayed (Kawasaki-shi) I could go for hours without seeing a foreigner. During morning rush on trains, same deal. And this was Tokyo. Shinjuku and Shibuya stand out as tourist-heavy but that's about it.

I think Japan is relatively safe from tourist over-saturation partly because it's so damn far from Europe and America. Most people have no real interest in going to Asia anyways, except other Asians.
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Amsterdam, obviously. It's always been heavily touristy, but in the past decade it has hit extreme levels. In that time frame, I've seen regular shopping streets change into rows of gift shops. What doesn't help is that it's also the centre of hipsterdom in this country, and universities promoting an influx of international students whom they can charge higher tuition fees without having to provide any housing. So even in less touristy parts of the city, you hear a lot of English, German, French, and Spanish being spoken. The English spoken on the streets is like a horrible chimera of American (with lots of "likes" thrown in) and German accents, I think the sociolinguists call this "Euro English". But I digress.

I visited Venice in May last year. I expected the worst and I came away positively surprised because of that. I wouldn't want to go there during high season though. Even in May, some spots get extremely busy. But then it's still quite possible to dive into an ally and be utterly alone. In spots like the student quarter or the old Jewish ghetto, there are still places that sell €1 espresso and restaurants where you don't have to remortgage your house to eat there, although obviously it's generally more expensive than other cities. I didn't encounter the €14 coffee of horror stories, but then I never tried to have coffee at St Mark's Square. Some people just deserve to get scammed, in my opinion. The worst thing about Venice to me was that a lot of it just doesn't feel like a working city where normal people live and work. It's the theme parkisation that is ruining cities. And in Venice it's also the cruise ships towering over everything.
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https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/l...index.html

Why you should go to the world's least-visited countries

1. Tuvalu
2. Kiribati
3. Marshall Islands
4. Montserrat
5. Niue
6. American Samoa
7. Solomon Islands
8. Comoros
9. São Tomé and Príncipe
10. Federated States of Micronesia
11. Djibouti
12. Sierra Leone
13. Guinea
14. Tonga
15. Anguilla
16. Timor Leste
17. St. Vincent and the Grenadines
18. San Marino
19. Dominica
20. Liechtenstein
21. Vanuatu
22. St. Kitts and Nevis
23. New Caledonia
24. Eritrea
25. Moldova
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(06-27-2019 07:14 AM)JayMillz Wrote:  https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/l...index.html

Why you should go to the world's least-visited countries

1. Tuvalu
2. Kiribati
3. Marshall Islands
4. Montserrat
5. Niue
6. American Samoa
7. Solomon Islands
8. Comoros
9. São Tomé and Príncipe
10. Federated States of Micronesia
11. Djibouti
12. Sierra Leone
13. Guinea
14. Tonga
15. Anguilla
16. Timor Leste
17. St. Vincent and the Grenadines
18. San Marino
19. Dominica
20. Liechtenstein
21. Vanuatu
22. St. Kitts and Nevis
23. New Caledonia
24. Eritrea
25. Moldova

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