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Quitting job before having another one lined up?
There's a fair number of threads on here on advice over qutting your job to travel or start another profession, but what about just plain qutting your job after 4 years of working there because you hate it and your boss sucks along with a multitude of reasons without having another job waiting? My company is stingy and you can't ask to be laid off because oddly it hasn't done a layoff in over 60 years (but culture and new executive personnel came in and will change that in a few years). But my boss warned me recently they would look to fire me if I wasn't going to be proactive on future projects and may have a bad performace review (amongst other reasons, and it may wind up as a humiliating experience where they try and force me out). What if you flat out feel like your soul is being crushed, you health is getting harmed, you lost your confidence (and even game abilities!), you're miserable and easily prone to anger, and other reasons? What about quitting?

Current Advantages:
- Around $25k saved up, debt free as well
- Have family to fall back on in the states
- Work in an IT field that's high in demand and probably get another job soon (but too angry to currently stay in)
- Can move back to New York or the immediate area where I have friends and can find jobs easily there (or anything if stuff doesn't pan out)
- Changing to a job I'm more qualified and happier in instead of the one I'm currently at where I've been underqualified and I'm the only person that does what I do and it's annoying

Advantages of leaving:
- Time to apply full time to other better jobs in better locations
- Time to do all kinds of miscellaneous tasks I've been too busy or put off to do
- Get certification or even change areas within a profession
- Help my parents with a bunch of stuff because of potential health problems they might have
- Day Trade actively (something i'm good at, but need full time to do so I can consistently make gains. Doing it at my job is far harder)
- Recover from health, sleep, go to gym full time and lose weight/gain physique
- Travel but probably only briefly because I'd want to get something before the summer job hiring period ends, where there are the most available jobs

Disadvantages of leaving without a job set up
- Sets up obvious case where I possibly don't have a job later on
- Extreme grief and fallout from my family and some of my friends who have nearly all warned me not to do it, even though I believe it's possible.

Current Disadvantages:
- I feel very out of it, stressed, etc. where I feel woozy and distracted where I feel like I'm not thinking as clearly as I'd like.


I thought about talking to my boss one-on-one about letting him know i'll quit soon and if I may use company time to do interviews and screenings or other stuff, but after searching the internet this is advised against. There's stories after looking on Google searches about people who have been successful at doing it, but there's still more people out there that caution against it. Still, I f*****g hate where I am and really want to just get the f**k out as motherf*****g fast as possible (which of course means a polite, nice 2 week notice without pissing anyone off and leaving on good terms)


Thoughts and advice are welcome.
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RE: Quitting job before having another one lined up?
$25k is a great cushion to have, but there's no reason you should flat out quit.

My take? Bite the bullet and apply to jobs while you're still working. It might suck, but give it an honest effort before you go AWAL.

Do 2 job applications every weekday, and 4 each weekend day, that's 18/week. Over three months that's 216 job applications. If you can't get a job after that, you've got bigger problems to solve, and you'll be thankful you kept your current employment.

Use your remaining vacation days to fly out for job interviews. Think long term.

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RE: Quitting job before having another one lined up?
Interviewing for jobs when you don't have a job puts you in a scarcity mindset. In the beginning, you remain optimistic and sometimes it works out that you find something quickly - especially in IT. If you haven't found something in a few months, you'll become increasingly concerned as your savings dwindles and you become a little more desperate with each interview. You might then take something that is not an ideal fit because of financial issues.

Plus HR departments and managers are more likely to interview/hire people who already have jobs. Quitting puts you in an awkward situation where you have to explain why you're not currently employed. Even if you have a good reason (which you do), it may not be to their liking. If you still have a job, you don't have to explain anything.

While your current employment situation sucks, there is literally no future downside to staying in your job for a few more months until you find another one, assuming you can persevere and mitigate the stress.

There is a ton of future downside by quitting without something lined up.
06-23-2019 08:22 PM
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RE: Quitting job before having another one lined up?
Thanks guys so far for the responses, I appreciate the advice..

To answer some of the stuff
Quote:My take? Bite the bullet and apply to jobs while you're still working. It might suck, but give it an honest effort before you go AWAL.
Quote:While your current employment situation sucks, there is literally no future downside to staying in your job for a few more months until you find another one, assuming you can persevere and mitigate the stress.

I've been doing it so far for the past 2 or so weeks and I've had some screenings, but a real problem is the sheer number of calls/emails I get over jobs and how awkward it is to get up from my desk constantly to answer them without attracting negative attention. Another problem is how long it takes to fill out applications for companies, sometimes it takes around an hour to fill just 1 out (heh). It sure would be good to have a lot more free time to do just that. Anyways to continue, I'm worried that it'll be a humiliating experience cause I was told I'm having a bad upcoming performance review and I'll be expected to be replaced. Logically a simple thing to do would be to stay until getting laid off or fired, but cause the company is stingy and cheap, especially now that we have a new accountant CEO and other staff I don't think we're going to get good severance packages. Also where I live (Florida), the state doesn't have generous unemployment benefits. I feel like I might as well just quit, focus on applying and interviewing everywhere, and do other stuff like get back to the gym or daytrade or whatnot, and enjoy the summer a little bit.

I think with the sheer number of full time and consulting jobs available (and how time consuming it is to apply everywhere), combined with the summer season (high point for available jobs) with a chance a recession/jobs slowdown may happen, plus a rare chance with free time to improve and fix all kinds of things going on, etc. - I think it's personally better to leave in case I can't get something very soon. I've been holding myself back for months with some close calls but I think I'm very close to reaching the end of my patience... I'm getting too stressed and spooked. I think I have health problems with sleep, memory, etc.

I guess you can say I have a bit of a confidence issue but at this point I really hate the idea of psychologically taking a big loss, but it's the situation I'm in (I'm in a drought with girls and game now and other stuff is going on that's weighing on me). I'm not being assigned anymore work which harms my status reports I have to give, the company is going south because of new executive/senior leadership and they're cutting costs everywhere.

Quote:Use your remaining vacation days to fly out for job interviews. Think long term.

Earlier in February I got really sick with a bad case of the flu and bronchitis and used nearly all my sick and vacation days... I'm slowly building them back up for the case I have interviews to do or to cash them out whenever it'll be time to quit. While a lot of BS has been happening at the job, I feel like that was the biggest factor in affecting me and my job this year and it shook me so hard with the effects of not having extra sick/vacation days to use to calm down/relax.


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In the end, I feel like I would be doing it to protect my health and even as a preventative measure so I don't become demoralized and have bad personality changes. I don't want to regret a rare time to leave and get myself together and get another job so I can feel more stable and better about things. Honestly, I want to avoid a fate like this or similar:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-56027.html


EDIT: Reading what I wrote so far makes me realize how wound up, stressed, and out of it I am. Damn. Also sorry for the multiple edits.
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RE: Quitting job before having another one lined up?
(06-23-2019 09:17 PM)Yeah Right Wrote:  I've been doing it so far for the past 2 or so weeks and I've had some screenings, but a real problem is the sheer number of calls/emails I get over jobs and how awkward it is to get up from my desk constantly to answer them without attracting negative attention.

Screw 'em. Screw 'em all.

Quote:Another problem is how long it takes to fill out applications for companies, sometimes it takes around an hour to fill just 1 out (heh). It sure would be good to have a lot more free time to do just that.

I don't know what jobs you're applying for, but I did the job hunt earlier this year and it should NOT take you an hour per application.

Take two hours and make your resume impeccable. Then, write tailor-made cover letters for the types of jobs you're applying for. Templates where you can change the company name and position title, then send it off.

Some of the applications are long, but auto-complete is your friend. I thought you were in IT?!

Quote:Logically a simple thing to do would be to stay until getting laid off or fired

Occam's Razor.

Quote:I'm very close to reaching the end of my patience... I'm getting too stressed and spooked. I think I have health problems with sleep, memory, etc.

Read Why Don't Zebras Get Ulcers, stress literally impacts every aspect of your health. It sounds like you're letting your life situation stress you out too much.

I've been in tough situations (believe me) but this is something you've got to work out for yourself. Life is stressful, especially if you want to be a top performer. Take this as an opportunity to learn how to manage your stress.

Quote:I'm not being assigned anymore work

Great, more time to apply for jobs.

Quote:Reading what I wrote so far makes me realize how wound up, stressed, and out of it I am. Damn. Also sorry for the multiple edits.

Yes.

At this point, you know what you have to do. Quit pondering on the past and thinking up reasons why you should take a vacation.

Get to work.
Get to the gym.
Start applying to jobs.
Start talking to more girls.

You will get yourself out of this, but only if you do the work.

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RE: Quitting job before having another one lined up?
If you have your parents to fall back on (in the worst case scenario you run out of your 25k), or, you can find part time/casual jobs, I would absolutely quit.

I personally did this a few years ago now, and it was one of the best decisions I've ever made even though I felt kind of sick making the decision at the time (like you, my parents had an incredibly bad reaction to it, but deep down - I knew what I was doing it for and that my life situation had become impossible to keep persisting with while I was in the circumstances I was in at the time).

The impact a bad job has on your physical and mental health is so underrated it's not funny. Like you mentioned correctly as well - people don't consider what they could be doing with their time when they aren't at work - you can set up your day however you like, you don't have to commute, you can run errands during the day, you can go to the gym and exercise and prepare healthy meals without feeling sh*t from work ... the list of possibilities are endless. This is not even mentioning the amount of additional mental energy you save and have available because you aren't dealing with a stressful work environment.

My piece of advice though if you do it is to take a few weeks or a month or two to sort your life out and get back healthy and happy again. But, then, after that, treat everyday like a work day and be structured - get up, have a list of to-do items, do your trading, apply for jobs etc. Once you don't have a full time job it can be very easy to start floating along in life and waste your time. So, don't go into it fully expecting a holiday.

Understand exactly what it is you want to do with your life that quitting is going to give you the time to do, and make sure you're mentally prepared to execute and do whatever it takes to achieve those things.

Also, if you get 6 months or a year down the track and things aren't working out like you planned - don't panic. Remind yourself why you quit in the first place i.e. your health was at risk. Just keep working on the things you know you need to work on (it helps if you write down those things now before you quit so you're crystal clear on it) and things tend to work out well in the long run.

End of the day - it takes a man to take calculated risks in life, and it also takes a man to accept the consequences of his decisions. A man will also make any decision right in the end, even if the short term is rocky.

Good luck dude - you have my understanding.

(Last note - think about the types of jobs you want in the future. If it's going to be very hard to get those jobs by quitting, then don't do it. But, if you quitting now is going to have little to no impact on getting those jobs or doing whatever it is you want to do with your life, then quit as soon as possible as long as money and somewhere to stay isn't an issue).
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I think redbeard said it all, but in case you want more encouragement.

1) Quit that shit job. You have enough to take a nice vacation and bounce back wherever in the States you want to be.

I've been in your shoes "many" times, and sometimes I stuck it out until I had something else in hand, but that was because I had massive debts (Child Support) to pay. Later in life when I didn't have those debts, I said, "f**k it, I"m out, going to go travel", and I don't regret that. Was able to find a new job immediately 6 months later when I was ready to come back.

Working at a shit job with shit people will chip away hard at your soul. This is your life, and the sands really are running down.

Today I'm currently working at a place where I like my work and really like my boss and the people I work with, but this is rare. I'm in IT also. In the 20+ years I've been a consultant I've enjoyed 4 places. 4 out of almost 20! That's how messed up the corporate world is, but you know this already.
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If you are not enjoying your job then you can either concentrate applying to other jobs and to hell with it, or just fucking quit if it's really stressing you out (or go on sick leave). Take some time off, go on holiday. Spend some time on yourself, maybe find things you can work on by yourself rather than be a 30 year cuck to your deathbed. That really is the problem to begin with, men are not born to be cucks and to be in an office job for 30 years.

Working like a dog won't necessarily make you richer or happier either.

The solution to life's problem is not working like a dog. Take it from someone who has been doing exactly that for years and finds no pleasure nor rewards from it.

Find the route to your destination without having to take shit from people. If people ask why you had to take a few months off come up with a sympathetic answer like your parents health or otherwise that the 0 iq folks at HR could relate to.

Move to a better location and have a life.

Life is more about than being a cuck.
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RE: Quitting job before having another one lined up?
Addendum - getting laid off (not fired) is a stellar opportunity to make cash. If you're looking to get out of a job, Financial Samurai's "How To Engineer Your Layoff" eBook is superb:

https://www.financialsamurai.com/how-to-...our-job-2/

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RE: Quitting job before having another one lined up?
I'm not a corporate guy at all but I also just recently quit a job that provided me with a large percentage of my monthly income. I basically went from saving a few grand every month to basically breaking even real quick. I can't tell you whether in the long term it is the right or wrong decision to quit, but I had a couple of nets to fall back on when I did. I'd agree with the above advice of maybe searching for new jobs while still employed at your current one. I'm too young to tell you if your nest egg is sufficient or not, but I can say that I have been happier quitting jobs I didn't like despite giving up the consistent income. I've had to do it at least three times in my life, never regretted it yet, but again, I had safety nets when I did have to do it.

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RE: Quitting job before having another one lined up?
I mostly quit jobs without backup and I even let go of a room once without backup in a housing shortage city.

Unless you're super indebted or we live in great recession times where you have to fight to get any kind of job, as a single guy with a modicum of savings to last you 3+ months living in a car or w/e will get you by just fine until the next gig IF you are flexible and not dead set on becoming a brogrammer within a couple months and will take no less than a startup job. (these are the types that get into a serious depression)

My only big mistake was leaving my room without having another one lined up in a forever housing shortage type city that left me almost homeless and I wouldn't do that again or move to such a city again without a very high paying job lined up for that matter.
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RE: Quitting job before having another one lined up?
I don't know about outright quitting. You could find a legit reason why you're quitting like unsafe work conditions and/or medical issues. Get creative. That way you can at least get unemployment benefits. It could work too if you're fired as long as its not some kind of misconduct issue. All this depends on what state you live in, check it out. The system is here to give people some "free" money if they know what they're doing.

$25000 is a decent amount of an emergency fund. It doesn't mean to quit your job and blow through it carelessly. It will happen if you dont have some kind of cash flow.

Now more importantly do not work somewhere that you just hate showing up to. A job is a job but dont get complacent. 2 years is enough time to spend there to make a decision. Before you know it, time will fly by fast and you've been working there over 15 years. Depressed and full of regret.

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RE: Quitting job before having another one lined up?
Thanks guys again for the input, this'll probably be my last post on this though I'll update later what's going on. I'm waiting at the moment to see who our new senior manager is going to be since we're going through a reorganization at the company. If it's going to be someone good and worthwhile then I'll probably stay a little longer though if it's someone who sucks, then I'm on the path of leaving soon. I said before that our company hasn't nor likely will do severance packages cause it's a cheap place and every person that got fired only got 2 weeks extra worth of pay (though while cheap I'm also vested in a pension/401k already over there and might lose that in case i get fired). Also Florida doesn't have good unemployment benefits.

It feels like I'm drifting on the path of quitting simply cause I'm burnt out and tired and frustrated in general. Aformentions about physical and mental health and stress aside, I'm exhausted and feel like I don't even have the energy to start another new job someplace, though I created a very long list of things to do for a planned 1-3 months I'm expecting to be in-between working. From helping my parents move out of a house so they can sell it, to going back to the gym full time, to traveling, day trading and doing research and enacting new strategies (which I'm good at as long as I have the extra time, though it would sure be nice if I succeeded in it), meeting girls/doing game again minus feeling like shit or being stressed, getting certifications for my resume or even changing jobs within IT, applying to jobs full time including in Europe since I have citizenships (have family that live there I can stay with to interview in person), etc, I'd anticipate I'm going to be even busier with all kinds of stuff. It seems more and more like the path I'm going down but hey at least it should be interesting and I'll let you know what happens. Hopefully a really good phoenix rises from the ashes on this. There's tons of 3-12 month contract work out there too that say they want anyone to interview and even start on an early date.
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RE: Quitting job before having another one lined up?
I was thinking about getting into IT recently but after reading your experience with it makes me hesitant. Is it the work itself or the people your work with?
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(06-24-2019 10:32 PM)JR301 Wrote:  I was thinking about getting into IT recently but after reading your experience with it makes me hesitant. Is it the work itself or the people your work with?
No actually it's the other way round. There's plenty of jobs in the profession, and the work isn't bad depending where you go, and you can work with people you may like (like in investment banking, oil/natural gas, pharmaceuticals, health insurance, governments, insurance, etc.). Not every job is perfect and sometimes you can wind up with a bad/dysfunctional boss like any other place, but working in the profession is worth it. I just don't like my current situation and feel the need to take a brief but serious break; some people would kill for my job cause I have a high paying one with great benefits and a pension in South Florida (almost nonexistant in Florida, period), but I really think I need to take time off to fix some serious stuff and also maybe change locations.
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(06-23-2019 04:16 PM)Yeah Right Wrote:  - Extreme grief and fallout from my family and some of my friends who have nearly all warned me not to do it, even though I believe it's possible.

If you've got people depending on you financially, like a wife and kids, it could obviously be a really bad decision. But if you're single and staying at a particular job in order to satisfy your parents/siblings, it might be time to reevaluate what your duty to them is.

I love my parents and I'm immensely grateful to them for raising me. I visit them often, call them often, and will be glad to support them when they get old.

But I wouldn't work a particular job to make them happy. They were initially very displeased at the path I chose, but eventually got used to it. They realized that I was now their adult son, not their child. Like St. Paul wrote, "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

As an adult you owe your parents love, respect, and care. Not obedience.
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RE: Quitting job before having another one lined up?
It's ideal to have another job lined up when you quit, but it's not necessary. I don't see a problem with quitting, if you hate your job and have some cash saved up.
I have quit jobs more than once without another job lined up.

I actually think it's easier to look for a job when you're unemployed, as you have more free time to devote to the job search. It's not easy to constantly take time off for job interviews, especially if you need to go to another city. Most prospective employers don't do Saturday or evening interviews. If you tell your current boss you need time off to go to job interviews, you've basically already quit. You can be tempted to lie and that's not good. People might get suspicious if you're constantly out of the office.
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RE: Quitting job before having another one lined up?
From an older guy here.

Disclaimer. Some people are best suited to working for a boss not self employment or setting up a business. In that case they are better just making the most of the job and trying to zone it out from the rest of their life.


I was in a management type role on good money in construction. The company I worked for changed direction and started to adopt a philosophy where it was OK to deceive clients and in so doing rip them off at times. Now I actually sacked more bad subcontractors than anyone else so I'm no softie.
This change was causing me a lot of stress which was affecting my health.
My issue was I always wanted to be self employed, but i was on very good money, the old golden handcuffs.

Anyway a particular issue arose that involved straight out deceit. I spoke to my dad and he said don't do it or you are just as bad.
So basically I refused and didn't care whether I was fired on the spot or not. I wasn't.
Also that day I made up my mind 100% that I was finished with that company, I zoned out emotionally with them. I told no one except family I was leaving. I stayed on for about 6 months to see through a major project.

Now 20 years on I know I made the correct decision. I've seen what high stress does to normal people and their health. It is literally a killer. Some seem to cope quite well, I wasn't one of them.
GT 777733 and Vincent Chase have it suss.

So I think for a lot of people in your situation if it is unbearable (not the usual stuff any job has), make a decision in your mind that you are finished with the company. However keep your cards to your chest and shut up about it to your fellow employees, boss etc.. I still remember how easy it was to brush off the crap in my old job once I had made my mind up to leave and form my own company.
When I did leave talk about the right place right time, I picked up over 12 months work within weeks.

My only regret looking back was staying as long as I did with that firm, 10 years. Life goes past so dam quick. And like Vincent says, working like a dog won't make you happier especially these days when companies will toss you out like the trash without a second thought.

In your case maybe just see how stuff pans out with the new manager and try to zone it all out as much as possible in the meantime.
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