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(06-25-2019 12:42 PM)mr-ed209 Wrote:  The phenomenon of a 'manufactured pop star' was almost a niche in the early 2000s; now its the vast majority of charting artists

Even then, though, manufactured pop stars with ghost-writers and studio musicians were better back in the day.





A big difference then vs. now, beyond the music itself, is the lyrics are too "on the nose". This is true not just of music but entertainment in general. On the nose means direct, graphic. What you see is what you get. Sexuality in classic rock is almost all innuendo. Innuendo is a base form of poetry. Smack your bitch up type lyrics is prose. Similarly, in the visual arts, graphic violence and nudity is prose vs. expressionistic violence off-camera and in the shadows.

So I think that's the big cultural difference. When I was going through puberty the Duran Duran Girls on Film video was dangerous because it was graphic (for the time). Or Hot for Teacher. But it was because that stuff was still a novelty that it had impact. Once everything is at the level of softcore porn it becomes the new normal and hence meaningless.

I am also sick and tired of Millenial Whoops.





I mean, sure, songs often have singalong choruses, but the Whoops have devolved it to preschool levels of simplicity.
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(06-25-2019 07:22 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  Going to concerts and buying cds used to be a central focus of my life all throughout my 20s and early 30s. I also play multiple instruments. My ex was a high level sound engineer so I also got a decent view of the inside of the industry.

Always hated rap. Found it absolutely repulsive on all levels, and totally unlistenable. Really like blues and jazz though, so it can't just be a revulsion to American Black subculture.

Anyway...

Into my late 30s I find nearly all music to be so trite and ridiculous that I pretty much cling to classical and jazz, with a few of my old rock favorites from childhood thrown in (still like Dylan, the Stones, Kinks, Bowie, Zep, The Cure, even newish stuff like White Stripes, Oasis, Ryan Adams, Libertines, Arctic Monkeys, Laura Marling... just much less than before).

I have a younger girlfriend and she always has youtube random playlists on. And they consist mostly of indie bands. Now, most of these indie bands are capable musicians, and the tunes are reasonably catchy and novel enough in their mixes/arrangements. Yet... I just can't get into it. Seems so stupid and such a waste of time.

The rock star/rap celebs people look like clownish fools playing at being a "star", and it's really hard to respect that (for instance, I liked Bowie/Cure despite the retard makeup). Yet, these indie people are the worst kind of extreme opposite -- totally boring, annoying, super soy, super fey, dolts. They remind me of the loser kids who drag-ass through a fast food job their parents forced them into and how they think they are so above it all and so talented when they play a local show, yet what they do just doesn't distinguish them from a hobbyist who has a few years practice. Their songwriting/storytelling SUCKS, and they have little presence.

So yeah, I can relate to OP. I really have no time or care for modern music or modern musicians. Not just the satanic music industry stars, but even the local bands are really annoying and repulsive to me. Going to a pub with "live music" is an absolute punishment and I avoid it.

I'd rather go to a music school and listen to the kids (who are almost ready to graduate) play some classical recitals.

One weird thing I noticed is that I suddenly developed this massive appreciation for the Beach Boys mid period stuff. I used to enjoy their singles but never held them up like the other 60s rock bands. Now I think Pet Sounds and Smile Sessions may be some of the most enjoyable and beautiful music ever made. I listen to those constantly.

I think a part of all this is just getting older and getting current cultural fatigue.

So since you and your girl have different tastes, I'm interested in knowing how this affects your relationship with her.

Does she like your music?
Do you fight over the radio dial?
Does your taste in older music limit where you take her on dates, etc?
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Luckily, it is easy to avoid trite shite music.
Simply search out musicians using actual instruments to a high degree of talent.
You certainly are not going to get 8+ minute epics / opuses out of the pop-tarts :

Mastodon - The Last Baron



Opeth - Porcelain Heart

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Film as an art form is done. Architecture is shit. Popular music is done, compared to its heights in the 60s-80s. Literature, poetry, visual arts are in a dark age. What little creativity there is, the energy of young people, is in video games. I do admit that it's art of a kind, some very good, and some of the music is excellent. But overall the arts are in a bad place in the 21st century.

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The only popular contemporary music I like is electronic dance by European DJs. I feel like it is devoid of the degenerate influences mostly and that it's not overproduced, template crap, written by the same 4 swedes in LA. Kygo, Avicii, David Guetta, Swedish House Mafia etc. Gets me in a good mood. Reminds me of evenings spent in tropical nightclubs, which makes me happy. Easy going music, made to dance and be happy, not push some agenda.

If I want to listen to music on my own, I'd never listen to pop. I have begun getting into classical a little bit. It's great to listen to under the influence, some tracks have an almost "mental orgasmic" quality to them, where different instruments pop in and out of the tune and there's crescendos and various themes, there's nothing that gets close to it in terms of depth. Reminds me of 60s rock. I still dislike most classical, still find it pompous and lacking repetition.
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Classical music "lacks repetition" because the music you're used to is full of simplistic, lowest-common- denominator repetition. What classical music has instead, is "development". It reminds you of some of the more sophisticated 60s music, because that music was a shadow of classical music. Keep listening.

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(06-26-2019 09:24 AM)RawGod Wrote:  Classical music "lacks repetition" because the music you're used to is full of simplistic, lowest-common- denominator repetition. What classical music has instead, is "development". It reminds you of some of the more sophisticated 60s music, because that music was a shadow of classical music. Keep listening.

Classical music often does have repetition. But what it has that modern music lacks is DYNAMICS. There's a reason why Stairway to Heaven has the reputation it does (or its derivative, Bohemian Rhapsody). Because it has dynamics which is the essence of a story, a beginning, middle, (climax) and end. Dynamics alone can carry you along despite constant repeition, as Ravel proved.





Modern music has succumbed to the loudness wars, part of the overal cultural trend of MORE IS MORE which results in the law of diminishing returns.

Grunge was the last genre that had actual dynamics, albeit extreme loud and quiet with abrupt transitions.



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I kind of agree with you about dynamics (although medieval and baroque music kind of lack it, the general point still stands), but my 13 year old self that is still alive in me somewhere just went 'no, no, no' when you mentioned grunge and provided SP as an example.

Here's the real deal, from Seattle and everything:




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It's endlessly irritating that virtually everywhere you go they're blasting the lowest common denominator of music right into your ears.

But there's still some killing music out there today from uber talented artists if you look hard enough.




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(06-26-2019 08:53 AM)Salinger Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 07:22 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  TooFine complains like a grandpa about "today's music"...

So since you and your girl have different tastes, I'm interested in knowing how this affects your relationship with her.

Does she like your music?
Do you fight over the radio dial?
Does your taste in older music limit where you take her on dates, etc?

Oh, no, there is no conflict at all. Pardon me for painting a bleak picture.

She loves 90% of the same music as me. She can't handle 4 straight hours of Bach solo cello or late-period Coltrane, but for one album -- if I choose it -- we are on the same page.

She just has far lower standards on what constitutes music, and so will allow a ton more in to her purview.

We live together, so music isn't an issue. I will tolerate music I don't love, just like she will, if it's within an acceptable threshold.

For instance, in front of me, she plays no rap/hip hop, period. Even though she likes some of it, that stays headphones/solo time only.

On my side, I keep the most intense improv jazz to my personal listens. Or Dylan albums, she can't handle more than a few Dylan songs in a row.

So we just pick a handful of CDs (if in the car) or records (at home) that we are in the mood for that day, and then narrow it down from there.

I can't stand the radio, so I ask her not to play it when I am in the car. She, however, is content to let the radio play when by herself. But generally the music she likes is decent, it's just not something I would choose to listen to always with my very limited time on earth.

Also, there are the few times when she has introduced me to a new song/band I did enjoy, so that is worth it.

My taste (in hating most live, local music) means I decline going to concerts with her most times. But actually, for 2/4 birthdays that we have been dating, she has gotten us concert tickets for my birthday (meaning she bought tix to artists I like, for us both to go).
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(06-24-2019 08:03 PM)la bodhisattva Wrote:  I'm 33 and 90% of pop culture annoys me.



Same, I've been listening to Chevelle,HELLYEAH,Trivium and Drowning Poolfor the past 8 years.
I can't stand any of the sh** that comes on the radio.

Hell I deleted Spotify because they'd constantly suggest garbage to me. Switched to Amazon music (cheaper) and less SJW bombardment whenever I open the app.
Nümetal/Hard Rock/Alternative/Grunge Metal were my flavors growing up in the late 90s early 2000s . Can't change what I like
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If and when I listen to music it is CFNY 102.1 The Edge.

For reference my birth year is 1966.

My wife is 17 years younger and she brought in the music that defines our relationship.
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Guys (Mostly young) on acostic guitar with bum fluff beards whisper singing because they actually can't sing. Perhaps they're trying to to sound world weary or have a Johnny Cash hardman persona. They sound like posers.

Fucking enunciate and say it loud and clear, belt it out son! Stop sounding like your constipated.

I can't unsee it or hear now, they always sound like they're in pain or just plain whining. The whole last decade has been full of this.
Bring back power anthems.

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Does anyone else just not care that much about music? I could go for months (probably years) without listening to anything and still be ok. I don’t mean to say that I hate music, I just don’t really seek it out and I feel that it’s always being forced on us wherever we go.

They banned smoking but are now blasting tunes in every restaurant, bar, convenience store, supermarket and mall. It’s insane.
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(06-24-2019 05:04 PM)Salinger Wrote:  For someone who's a few years over 40, I find that today's pop music so annoying that I literally can't listen to it without it producing anxiety in me.

I simply cannot stand to be around it, even if it's playing as background music in a restaurant or bar. And that brings me to the problem: you cannot get away from this crap.

I don't like today's Hollywood films, but that's an easy fix. I just don't buy tickets to shows and instead I opt to stay home and watch older movies which don't promote the Globohomo agenda.

But contemporary pop music is thrust into our lives whether we want to hear it or not. I can't go to a restaurant or bar without being exposed to it. Even if the place is filled with older people, for some reason these places think I want to hear the pop star puppets of today instead of the much better music I grew up on.

It becomes a real problem too when you're out with friends, especially younger friends who grew up listening to these singers/bands and don't seem to mind it. If you protest, you come across as a complainer.

And even if you are with others who think like you, where do you to escape from this brainwashing? Nearly every establishment pumps this genre through their speakers. So you're assaulted by it wherever you go.

I'm interested in knowing if there are others here who feel the same way and how it's affected them.

Got to hand it to you Salinger, you old catcher in the rye, you!

Well played sir.

Time and time again the members of this forum have been warned about data harvesters, but still, they can not help themelves. Spill their guts they must.

It's an emotive subject.

This has been one of the better 'can-oppeners' I've ever seen. Even experienced members lining up just to 'let it all out'. Sad.

For fuck's sake. Get a grip!

This poster is not your friend. No one cares!

Stop crying like little schoolgirls about how 'de big nassty musix'.

"OLDER GUYS" - demographic.

"I'm 92 and I still love hip hop"

"I'm 47 and I still remember when America was Green"

"I'm 99 and nearly dead and don't care anymore"

How do you do Fellow kids?

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The OP has put in so much effort. He's given so much back to you, hasn't he? All that emotional reward.

You are being clowned.

I don't liket to see my bro's being clowned.

Get a fucking grip.

NO one cares about your pussy taste in music.






I find it kind of funny

I find it kind of sad

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I think older people have never understood the music the youth listen to, but you can't argue that today it's legit to be questioning it.





I think this is a good example of how degenerate shit has gone nowadays haha.

I hear these millennials in my country listen to gangster rap and it's absolutely horrendous. Some dumb monkeys talking in auto tune about how much gangster they are, have women and nice cars and in the music videos you can see these low IQ freaks doing a wheelie on bikes in some immigrant suburb.

The gangster culture is extremely glorified here in Scandinavia.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yRFAFkLEdm0

Yep hate that gangsta shit
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(06-27-2019 04:06 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 05:04 PM)Salinger Wrote:  For someone who's a few years over 40, I find that today's pop music so annoying that I literally can't listen to it without it producing anxiety in me.

I simply cannot stand to be around it, even if it's playing as background music in a restaurant or bar. And that brings me to the problem: you cannot get away from this crap.

I don't like today's Hollywood films, but that's an easy fix. I just don't buy tickets to shows and instead I opt to stay home and watch older movies which don't promote the Globohomo agenda.

But contemporary pop music is thrust into our lives whether we want to hear it or not. I can't go to a restaurant or bar without being exposed to it. Even if the place is filled with older people, for some reason these places think I want to hear the pop star puppets of today instead of the much better music I grew up on.

It becomes a real problem too when you're out with friends, especially younger friends who grew up listening to these singers/bands and don't seem to mind it. If you protest, you come across as a complainer.

And even if you are with others who think like you, where do you to escape from this brainwashing? Nearly every establishment pumps this genre through their speakers. So you're assaulted by it wherever you go.

I'm interested in knowing if there are others here who feel the same way and how it's affected them.

Got to hand it to you Salinger, you old catcher in the rye, you!

Well played sir.

Time and time again the members of this forum have been warned about data harvesters, but still, they can not help themelves. Spill their guts they must.

It's an emotive subject.

This has been one of the better 'can-oppeners' I've ever seen. Even experienced members lining up just to 'let it all out'. Sad.

For fuck's sake. Get a grip!

This poster is not your friend. No one cares!

Stop crying like little schoolgirls about how 'de big nassty musix'.

"OLDER GUYS" - demographic.

"I'm 92 and I still love hip hop"

"I'm 47 and I still remember when America was Green"

"I'm 99 and nearly dead and don't care anymore"

How do you do Fellow kids?

The OP has put in so much effort. He's given so much back to you, hasn't he? All that emotional reward.

You are being clowned.

I don't liket to see my bro's being clowned.

Get a fucking grip.

NO one cares about your pussy taste in music.



I find it kind of funny

I find it kind of sad

Happy Birthday!

A little paranoid, aren't we?

Data harvesting? Nope. Just interested in how others are coping with this onslaught of crap we're subjected to every day.

I am though a little disappointed that it's turned into a video repository thread. I was hoping to hear more about how others deal with this torture when out with friends or trying to date girls who enjoy this music.

It's cost me friends because I walked away from the club scene. However, even with the hot girls there, I could not stand the punishment anymore.
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Quote:I was hoping to hear more about how others deal with this torture when out with friends or trying to date girls who enjoy this music.

Alright.

I don't go to places where they play anything post-1998. If I must, I either have headphones on with some musical antibodies or I get out of there as quickly as possible. My wife has good taste in music. All my friends have good taste in music.

It's not that difficult escaping the crap the culture feeds you if you are not an alpha consumer. Don't go the cinema. Don't go to clubs. Don't go to restaurants. Don't go to festivals. Just go where nature is and people aren't. It's not that difficult.

If you are caught in the middle of it (because living in the city makes it unavoidable sometimes) just act as if you are an anthropologist studying a particularly annoying and idiotic tribe, observing their disgusting customs and horrible rituals, realize that their ancestors are the same as yours and produced beautiful, creative and inspiring music and think to yourself: Evolution is clearly a hoax.

Then get the hell out of there.

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(06-25-2019 03:06 PM)Enhanced Eddie Wrote:  Don't move to the Philippines. They have the worst taste in music in the universe and blast it at full volume everywhere. Usually two different songs at the same time, plus a TV going as well.

Unless things have really changed since the last 4 years when I was there, or you have shit taste in music.... then I highly disagree. One of my favorite parts about the Phils was the music they had playing every where. It was a lot of 80s jams and ballads and Ice Ice Baby in the malls. IF you don't like that..... there is no hope for you

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No pop-tart will ever create a song with this much impact.

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(06-27-2019 02:10 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 08:53 AM)Salinger Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 07:22 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  TooFine complains like a grandpa about "today's music"...

So since you and your girl have different tastes, I'm interested in knowing how this affects your relationship with her.

Does she like your music?
Do you fight over the radio dial?
Does your taste in older music limit where you take her on dates, etc?

Oh, no, there is no conflict at all. Pardon me for painting a bleak picture.

She loves 90% of the same music as me. She can't handle 4 straight hours of Bach solo cello or late-period Coltrane, but for one album -- if I choose it -- we are on the same page.

She just has far lower standards on what constitutes music, and so will allow a ton more in to her purview.

We live together, so music isn't an issue. I will tolerate music I don't love, just like she will, if it's within an acceptable threshold.

For instance, in front of me, she plays no rap/hip hop, period. Even though she likes some of it, that stays headphones/solo time only.

On my side, I keep the most intense improv jazz to my personal listens. Or Dylan albums, she can't handle more than a few Dylan songs in a row.

So we just pick a handful of CDs (if in the car) or records (at home) that we are in the mood for that day, and then narrow it down from there.

I can't stand the radio, so I ask her not to play it when I am in the car. She, however, is content to let the radio play when by herself. But generally the music she likes is decent, it's just not something I would choose to listen to always with my very limited time on earth.

Also, there are the few times when she has introduced me to a new song/band I did enjoy, so that is worth it.

My taste (in hating most live, local music) means I decline going to concerts with her most times. But actually, for 2/4 birthdays that we have been dating, she has gotten us concert tickets for my birthday (meaning she bought tix to artists I like, for us both to go).

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RE: Older Guys: Does Today's Music Annoy You?
I think part of the problem is I don't think enough people appreciate music for the music anymore. They said music videos devalued music back in the 80s but now I think image has become so important that the music is sort of superfluous. For instance, remember Open Gangnam Style?





The industry is effectively dead. And in its place pop stars are "lifestyle brands" and music videos are publicity stunts.

Youth today are desensitized and they lack meaning in their lives (beyond SJW self-righteousness) and so they gravitate towards anything that provides enough stimulation, and it takes a LOT to stimulate them. That's why Youtube stars tend to talk as fast as auctioneers and scream yell and swear. Pop culture is the equivalent of "cutters" who jab their arms because they are so numb to life that the pain is comforting.

There is a very small minority out there who actively listen to music, appreciate musicianship, key into the emotions of songs. And when they do that, they are probably vibing on covers, and even then somewhat tongue in cheek in our Ready Player One style end-of-culture post-post-post-modernism.



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RE: Older Guys: Does Today's Music Annoy You?
As a zoomer it's even annoying to me.

One, I blame the record companies for using formulaic songwriting and the same two dang producers for every single pop song:

Every song you love was written by the same two guys
Quote:After Backstreet’s success, Cheiron and Martin were now well known in the music world. PoP would not get to see how his method took over American pop music, as he died of stomach cancer in 1998, at age 35.

Martin became the bearer of the Swedish pop torch, and as Jive Records tried to determine a direction for an unknown teenage singer named Britney Spears, it turned to him.

He had written a song called, “…Baby One More Time,” for TLC. When they rejected it, he brought it to Spears, who sold 500,000 copies of the single the day it was released.

In addition to making Spears a star, the song was the first of what is now 21 No. 1 singles in the U.S. for Martin, including songs for *NSync (“It’s Gonna Be Me”), Pink (“So What”), and Maroon 5 (“One More Night”).

Martin has played a pivotal role in Katy Perry’s career, co-writing and/or producing hits including “I Kissed a Girl,” “California Gurls,” and “Teenage Dream.”

His three most recent No. 1 songs came from Taylor Swift’s blockbuster release, “1989” — “Shake It Off,” “Blank Space” and “Bad Blood.”

Martin co-wrote seven and co-produced nine of the 13 tracks on the album, which was the best seller of 2014 and might just capture that title again in 2015.

When a New York DJ named Lukasz Gottwald, a former pot dealer who later spent six years as the guitarist for the house band on ”Saturday Night Live,” wanted to start producing records, he sought out Martin, who became first his mentor, then his partner.

Shortening his professional name to Dr. Luke, he followed Martin in becoming one of the industry’s top producers, working on hits including Avril Lavigne’s “Girlfriend,” Flo Rida’s “Right Round,” and Miley Cyrus’ “Party in the U.S.A.”

PoP, Martin and their collaborators and disciples have had such a strong influence on modern pop music that “[b]Swedish hitmakers supplied one quarter of all the hits on the Billboard Hot 100 in 2014.”
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This is the 80/20 rule. Or a more extreme version of it.

There for sure is also some fault to online music sales and spotify, which have destroyed the concept of an album in favor of releasing singles.
06-28-2019 08:34 PM
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RE: Older Guys: Does Today's Music Annoy You?
Yes its unbearable

but i do use it as an opportunity to redpill co workers if the song is obviously promoting an agenda, for example, pointing out that every song with a white vocalist is whining about some woman like an effeminate bitch.
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