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(06-28-2019 04:12 AM)jackgig Wrote:  I'm curious if possessiveness actually is effective or not.
For example if you say you want your girl to be exclusive to you and watch her like a hawk does it increase chance she won't stray?
Or if a girl is going to stray they will just do it anyways?
2 schools of thought is that mate guarding shows low value and insecurity so can push her to another guys arm. Second if you're not possessive she'll find a man who makes his claim more rather then being hands off.
I've been mostly hands off because seems pretty impossible to control people. I just find the people who the feelings are mutual. I find I can't really force things besides an initial approach and invite. Making sure my energy level is good so I can communicate and express what I want with charm and enticement etc.

This is a subject where a lot of guys fail. What Montrose says above is actually quite accurate. Being your woman's jailer is going to be exhausting both emotionally and physically.

I think what most people are missing in the two categories of advice here is that they are both correct. You need to both mate guard and be hands off at the same time. This may seem contradictory, but if you really think about how women are wired you will see the path.

You need to act like you trust her, but you also need to act like other men are scary and you want to protect her. Does that make sense?

Here is the thing, once you start thinking this way it feels good, because it's natural for you to want to be a protector of your woman. When she says she wants a ladies night out and you put your foot down hard because the guys out there are creeps, she may squawk about it at first, but offer her a fun time with you instead and she will be happier long term.
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(06-27-2019 11:58 AM)wwtl Wrote:  "1yr failed LTR's in there and short dates that don't work" was essentially my experience before going monk mode for a long time. And that was before they were permanently connected to the matrix.
But getting back into dating from monk mode without (recent) experience is really hard, even with game basics already embedded in the subconscious. So I wouldn't recommend dropping out entirely.

You need to get to a point where you like women in general. You can hate aspects of the mating dance we do in our culture, but fundamentally you have to get to a point where you really enjoy women.

I think the more masculine and self secure you become... the more this occurs naturally. You will begin to really enjoy that feminine energy. Just think of it like this... a huge chunk of women will enjoy sex not because they have amazing orgasms, but because they give you one! That's strong feminine energy and the more you bring the opposite the more you will absolutely soak it up and enjoy it.

(06-27-2019 10:55 PM)SilentOne Wrote:  Love is an unconditional act. You doing a positive act to someone or something else without expecting a reward. Your intent is huge. Sometimes things don't go well even if you do everything right. It's the thought that counts.
There's nothing wrong with being in love. It's a fun and exciting experience. The bond you two share is so great it's like you two are living in your own worlds full with optimism.
Just don't get married!

If you want unconditional love go ask God. No woman is going to give that to you, and you should not be giving that to her.

I think love is a tool. If players want to transition from banging strangers and spinning short term plates to deep intimate connections... then being stupid about love is not advisable.

Love HAS to be conditional in your mind. It has to. If she isn't meeting those conditions you have to be ready to walk, and she needs to know it. This is the same concept as dread game, but applied to relationships over the long term. You have to be the type of man she wants to hold onto...
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EndsExpect, I think you completely misread me.

You ask us what's our interpretation of love and I told you, doing a positive act to someone or something else without expecting a reward. Not once did I say anything about treating a girl sweet regardless how she treats you.

If you expect a reward for this act, it's not love because you're bringing in conditions. Couple examples; giving a homeless guy money or food. That's love because odds are he ain't giving you anything back but a smile. Also like ordering the last 2 burritos on the menu and the next gets upset because he hasn't eaten anything all day. Nothing left on the menu. You decide to give him one of yours, without him paying, that's love.

I think your love is infatuation. If you want to use that as a tool and manipulate people for your gain, it's not love.
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SilentOne you are describing very well the philosophical (or religious) concept of love but to be honest it is only accessible to a minority of superior humans (and most are men). EndExpects is correct that your idea of love is not common in a relationship, and when normal people say 'I love you' they are usually describing an emotional state, which is, by definition, conditional, since we have little or no control over emotions.
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(06-28-2019 11:42 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 11:58 AM)wwtl Wrote:  "1yr failed LTR's in there and short dates that don't work" was essentially my experience before going monk mode for a long time. And that was before they were permanently connected to the matrix.
But getting back into dating from monk mode without (recent) experience is really hard, even with game basics already embedded in the subconscious. So I wouldn't recommend dropping out entirely.

You need to get to a point where you like women in general. You can hate aspects of the mating dance we do in our culture, but fundamentally you have to get to a point where you really enjoy women.

I think the more masculine and self secure you become... the more this occurs naturally. You will begin to really enjoy that feminine energy. Just think of it like this... a huge chunk of women will enjoy sex not because they have amazing orgasms, but because they give you one! That's strong feminine energy and the more you bring the opposite the more you will absolutely soak it up and enjoy it.

I think that was a misunderstanding. I did go monk mode, because I was disgusted of society in general (including hookup culture) and was seeking spirituality. I didn't specifically avoid women, though I didn't meet them on my journey in solitude.

That decision didn't mean that I don't enjoy women. I always did, even when fully blue-pilled. Since primary school I had beautiful girls wanting to be around me and I totally dig that. Now being back from monk mode it naturally happens again. As volunteer I meet a younger Christian group on a weekly basis, which is 80 % female - and it's just as fun as it used to be.
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(06-28-2019 12:50 PM)Montrose Wrote:  SilentOne you are describing very well the philosophical (or religious) concept of love but to be honest it is only accessible to a minority of superior humans (and most are men). EndExpects is correct that your idea of love is not common in a relationship, and when normal people say 'I love you' they are usually describing an emotional state, which is, by definition, conditional, since we have little or no control over emotions.


His question was too broad like wwtl mentioned. In that sense, being in love is just being infatuated with someone or something. Love and being in love are 2 different things.
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Love is a force, similar to gravity. Recall, gravity is a theory - we have barely begun to understand its actual mechanism. Both are taken for granted.

It has been alluded to above, touching on conditionality and the plethora of philosophical ponderings and the absolute failure of the English language to define it and Modern Global-Consumer Culture to sanctify it.

There is love and Love, the former is conditional, the latter is not - force and Power. The progression can be loosely followed through the Greek conceptions of love: for example, passion can become appreciation through the course of a marriage. This force, this love, is a two-body problem, as such the relationship evolves in its revolutions, repititions - constantly changing in character and color.

Any love can be become Love. Power and force, the former is the latter through time. First, Love is stirred from stillness through something external - something needed, achingly so. A Wind blows. We are relational creatures, in that we understand ourselves in relation to that which is not us. Paradoxically, we come closer to knowing ourselves through knowing what we are not. Sometimes love soothes us like a Summer breeze, though most of us know its hurricanes, its thunderous storms. It’s a force, it applies acceleration to mass - how does love move you? What can it drive you to do? What have you sacrified for the Other? What can you give? What do you take? Acceleration is a vector, and as such it has a direction. What does it drive you to do? What does it pull you to do? Where does the Wind take you...

To the Self. Self-love, the ‘highest’ of love - fully attained, it will take the self to great heights. To shine like a star. To place the self above all others, to love your self fully, to know your self completely, that is destiny manifest. That is the Morning Star.

All love dies.

Love is a force, and as such it is momentary in time. It boils away through the fascinating flurry of the gears. Entropy. And what you have wrought through your time is your Love. The latter is power, force through time. That power, Love, it is something outside of you - it only exists after you are gone, no longer able to relate to it. In a sense, it is something you can never truly know. It is only when the self returns to the Self - when You are gone and only the I AM remains - can there be something outside of time. Where One is equal to zero, the Axiom of Choice disappears, everything and nothing. Alpha and Omega. Is it any wonder that The Christ sacrificed himself for love of Love.

As such, Love is Eternal, love is fleeting. The purpose of love is to find Love.
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(06-25-2019 02:55 PM)Baphomet Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 02:11 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  I think this topic deserves it's own thread.

I know we got some long timer forum members that happily bang random sluts all day or are constantly spinning plates. My experience with this is that while it helps abundance mentality... it also hinders the creation of deep meaningful bonds. We talk about getting sex from women all the time. Should we also be looking for intimacy? Is there a point to such a thing? Do we need women who know us deeply and still accept us?

What is love and how do we use it to make our lives better? Thoughts?

OK, we need to put a stop to something, and we need to stop it right now.

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(06-28-2019 12:43 PM)SilentOne Wrote:  EndsExpect, I think you completely misread me.
You ask us what's our interpretation of love and I told you, doing a positive act to someone or something else without expecting a reward. Not once did I say anything about treating a girl sweet regardless how she treats you.
If you expect a reward for this act, it's not love because you're bringing in conditions. Couple examples; giving a homeless guy money or food. That's love because odds are he ain't giving you anything back but a smile. Also like ordering the last 2 burritos on the menu and the next gets upset because he hasn't eaten anything all day. Nothing left on the menu. You decide to give him one of yours, without him paying, that's love.
I think your love is infatuation. If you want to use that as a tool and manipulate people for your gain, it's not love.

In my initial post I didn't mention feeding the homeless or world peace once. I did however, mention game and women.

I have noticed that human beings have his immense need for moral exculpation. In light of that understanding, even feeding the homeless is in actuality a selfish act. I see this in extremely liberal people all the time, where they do these things simply to feel morally superior. That ain't love in my opinion.

What I'd like to really see someone go in depth on is how to make a woman fall in love with you. What are the steps, what helps, what hurts. How useful is it as a relationship tool... Ect.

For those following the Roosh path and going Religious... I noted some time back that the Bible does not ask a woman to love her husband at any point I am currently aware of.... however it does ask for her Obedience and respect. That kind of follows what Montrose is saying.

Do we really need our wives to love us? Should this be a goal? I kind of have doubts.

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(06-28-2019 12:50 PM)Montrose Wrote:  SilentOne you are describing very well the philosophical (or religious) concept of love but to be honest it is only accessible to a minority of superior humans (and most are men). EndExpects is correct that your idea of love is not common in a relationship, and when normal people say 'I love you' they are usually describing an emotional state, which is, by definition, conditional, since we have little or no control over emotions.
His question was too broad like wwtl mentioned. In that sense, being in love is just being infatuated with someone or something. Love and being in love are 2 different things.

Another member already brought up that the word Love in English is kind of a catchall and absolutely worthless. However, I was pretty clear in the beginning that this was regarding romantic love and male-female relationships.

This idea the love and being in love are different is a bullshit term women use to justify stupid and often immoral behavior. You see they are simply referencing feelings. I feel happy today... or I feel sad today. Emotions change like the weather.

Love itself is an action... It's a choice. When viewed like that you must take responsibility... which most American women are unwilling to do. I mean the word responsibility is to a western woman as a cross and wooden spike is to a vampire. Therefore, love must be reduced to a feeling, because they cannot control their feelings and therefore are not required to be responsible.

The truth as I see it. Love is an action, and fuck the feelings. The feelings make that action easy or hard and that's it. You want the woman who wakes up every day and chooses you... even when that choice is hard.
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(06-28-2019 03:09 PM)ThriceLazarus Wrote:  As such, Love is Eternal, love is fleeting. The purpose of love is to find Love.

I find what you say to be both poetic and beautiful.

How can we use love to improve our lives?
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“How can we use love to improve our lives?”

In that same purple prose - use love to cultivate Love.

To be honest? I don’t know. If I may imagine, love may seem to be flighty, fleeting, and conditional because it is generally fixated on that which is dying. Especially the love of a beautiful girl - that force is an amalgam of lust, infatuation, desire, validation, many other odds and ends. In a healthy culture between healthy people this love would mature to Love through a life-long commitment, through sacrifice and being offered sacrifice, struggle and grace.

Sadly, I feel that that is gone from our Western world.

What comes to mind is Bahkti. This is a Hindi practice of funneling adoration, love, and devotion toward a tulpa. It is spiritual technology to assist the Mind in detaching from the material world - to rise above impermanence. I imagine the same can be achieved with regards to love - through great personal discipline. That is not an easy road.

Love is like the wind, it is always moving, always changing. I would say, to start, always allow love to move - never hold it, fixated, upon a single individual or purpose or thing. At least until one has managed to detach themselves from outcome. That seems to be the journeyman’s path.

After that? I don’t know.
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I only realized what love was when I stopped trying to imagine what it was and just looked it in the face. We’re all just pretending like we don’t know *exactly* what we’re all talking about.

The only reason this thread exists is to give each other permission to stop pretending. So if that’s what you're looking for, here it is Smile

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The best way to know it is through music.

(07-01-2019 11:30 AM)ThriceLazarus Wrote:  use love to cultivate Love





(07-01-2019 11:30 AM)ThriceLazarus Wrote:  Love is like the wind



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Your question was too broad. The word Love isn't so commonly shared. Younger people see love as some romantic thing when in fact they are just infatuated by someone or something. This high level of attraction usually have them in tunnel vision mode. You said this romantic love is an action, a choice. It is not. It is an emotional state. When you are in this state, your choice dwindles to just doing what it takes to appease the one you romantically love. You become in a state further away from logic when dealing with this romantic love interest.

Well now to answer how to make a woman fall in love with you. There's no cut answer. You can increase your odds by improving your physical appearance, being more dominate in your typical actions and having a lil mystery about you. This also means you would have to decieve her about your true character to match what she likes. I don't know how long you plan to pretend being someone else to keep her infuation high, but this sounds like a chore.
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(07-02-2019 10:14 AM)SilentOne Wrote:  Well now to answer how to make a woman fall in love with you. There's no cut answer. You can increase your odds by improving your physical appearance, being more dominate in your typical actions and having a lil mystery about you.

It's just pheromones disposed through sweat and being near her long enough. Having sex also helps with infatuation obviously. All the other actions just aim at reaching those goals.
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(07-02-2019 10:14 AM)SilentOne Wrote:  Well now to answer how to make a woman fall in love with you. There's no cut answer. You can increase your odds by improving your physical appearance, being more dominate in your typical actions and having a lil mystery about you. This also means you would have to decieve her about your true character to match what she likes. I don't know how long you plan to pretend being someone else to keep her infuation high, but this sounds like a chore.

These things help, but I don't think it's the core of it.

If you feel like you need to pretend to be someone else for a woman to love you... that's an issue. Game should work by unlocking what's already inside you. It's a process of refinement, not a process of alchemy.

I'm going to be flat with you here. As men we are constantly weighed and measured, we are forced to compete and drive value for others in order to be valuable ourselves. Our cultures over time have become conditioned to throwing their sons into the meatgrinder of war with glory to the victors and the dead are forgotten.

As a result, many of us are left with this feeling that we are not enough. That we don't measure up. We fear that we are not good enough to be loved... that we must be better looking, make more money, be more fun... ect. The awful truth is that to a degree this is actually how it works. But, there is hope.
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I'm going to take a quote from Dave Chapelle. A comedian, but I consider comedians modern prophets at this point.

Guys buy nice cars cause girls like nice cars. If we could fuck a woman in a cardboard box, we would.

This gives you one rule: we men go after luxuries to attract women. To make ourselves more marketable.

Then there is another rule: we men also buy expensive stuff for ourselves.

In essence, I believe men are incapable of love. Love is for women and children. Our love is more indirect and cannot be explained in words, but actions. A man who does a 8 to 5 job he hates everyday to give for his family is doing it out of love. If he wasn't, he would leave you and the kids and go off on an adventure.
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(07-05-2019 12:41 PM)Manbeline Wrote:  I'm going to take a quote from Dave Chapelle. A comedian, but I consider comedians modern prophets at this point.
Guys buy nice cars cause girls like nice cars. If we could fuck a woman in a cardboard box, we would.
This gives you one rule: we men go after luxuries to attract women. To make ourselves more marketable.
Then there is another rule: we men also buy expensive stuff for ourselves.
In essence, I believe men are incapable of love. Love is for women and children. Our love is more indirect and cannot be explained in words, but actions. A man who does a 8 to 5 job he hates everyday to give for his family is doing it out of love. If he wasn't, he would leave you and the kids and go off on an adventure.

Modern prophets? Comedians just point out the absurdities of our culture... and they do less and less of that every year. Chapelle himself almost got burned at the stake for taking a shot at the Transgender movement.

How can men be incapable of love... then turn around and commit enormous self sacrifice for those around them? How is that indirect?
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I agree that they do less of that because we lack the people of wisdom we had a few decades ago. Comedians are rarily coming from positions of intellect or common sense, or know-how, so they are lacking that grit that Robin Williams, Richard Pyror, Eddie Murphy, and a bunch of other legends had. Chapelle is just trying to keep his salary coming, despite being one of the last bastions of that era. Eddie simply checked out of hollywood altogether and pursued music.

Back on topic, I call it indirect because love is only one factor in why they do it. They also do it for their well being, whether it's for a calm conscious or to keep their own standard of living up. Getting love out of the deal of a sacrifice is a shitty deal and bad incentive to keep doing it.
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(07-05-2019 01:33 PM)Manbeline Wrote:  Back on topic, I call it indirect because love is only one factor in why they do it. They also do it for their well being, whether it's for a calm conscious or to keep their own standard of living up. Getting love out of the deal of a sacrifice is a shitty deal and bad incentive to keep doing it.

I think you have it backwards. A man doesn't sacrifice to get love... a man sacrifices because he has love. That's a very important difference.

I had a coach that was active duty military, special forces. He fell out of a helicopter in 2004 and has been paralyzed from the waist down the last 15 years. His housewife got a job doing Real Estate, to support him. I've worked with her to buy and sell houses for years, and sometimes go over to his house for beers. I would say that they are still happy together. You never truly know, but I get that sense.

If he worked in order to get love from her... then it should have vanished once he couldn't provide anymore.

This is why I think what Tex writes is too cynical and simplistic.
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(07-05-2019 02:04 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  
(07-05-2019 01:33 PM)Manbeline Wrote:  Back on topic, I call it indirect because love is only one factor in why they do it. They also do it for their well being, whether it's for a calm conscious or to keep their own standard of living up. Getting love out of the deal of a sacrifice is a shitty deal and bad incentive to keep doing it.

I think you have it backwards. A man doesn't sacrifice to get love... a man sacrifices because he has love. That's a very important difference.

I had a coach that was active duty military, special forces. He fell out of a helicopter in 2004 and has been paralyzed from the waist down the last 15 years. His housewife got a job doing Real Estate, to support him. I've worked with her to buy and sell houses for years, and sometimes go over to his house for beers. I would say that they are still happy together. You never truly know, but I get that sense.

If he worked in order to get love from her... then it should have vanished once he couldn't provide anymore.

This is why I think what Tex writes is too cynical and simplistic.
Realize how I said that love is only for women or children. But I also do not have the full belief in love as everyone else. If the roles were reversed, the same would be true. In the case of a disabled partner, I would then contribute it to taking care of an old relative where you're doing it cause your conscious would eat you up otherwise, and no one else would do it for you.

The moment you know a person you don't want is taken care of, as long as it wasn't caused by harmful things like cheating and such, you will flock to a new person. It's human nature. I have yet to choose a mate because I'm well aware that if I commit and something goes wrong, I have to deal with it. Whether that makes me a man or weak, Im not sure but it's better than being stressed out over petty love issues.
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(06-27-2019 11:58 AM)wwtl Wrote:  But getting back into dating from monk mode without (recent) experience is really hard, even with game basics already embedded in the subconscious. So I wouldn't recommend dropping out entirely.

I just experienced that this means: Girl fell sick just as I arrived in church. Perfect opportunity to comfort her with socially acceptable kino. But my confused brain was just on standby and figured it out just before I left our shared ride home, then I finally put my hand on her shoulder (after her condition became worse within a short time frame).

That was exactly like starting an engine, which hasn't been in use for 15 years, while the race is already going on.

Touching the subject of this thread I realized, that I was caring for her well being much more than I like to admit. I thought I was just enjoying her company playfully fooling around while getting a good supply of dopamine out of it. But this time I was honestly worried, so I waited two hours and texted her a one liner asking how she's doing, she checked her phone after 45 minutes and immediately wrote back verbosely.

I post this embarrassing report to motivate myself to do better next time, so I don't have to post so much fail anymore. Confused
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(07-06-2019 04:26 PM)wwtl Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 11:58 AM)wwtl Wrote:  But getting back into dating from monk mode without (recent) experience is really hard, even with game basics already embedded in the subconscious. So I wouldn't recommend dropping out entirely.
But this time I was honestly worried, so I waited two hours and texted her a one liner asking how she's doing, she checked her phone after 45 minutes and immediately wrote back verbosely.
I post this embarrassing report to motivate myself to do better next time, so I don't have to post so much fail anymore. Confused

What part of this story do you consider a fail?
07-08-2019 02:53 AM
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(07-08-2019 02:53 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  What part of this story do you consider a fail?

My confused and awkward behavior during the first 38 of the total 40 minutes of being with her, while my brain crashed in a reboot loop figuring out what to do. In my post-mortem assessment this was a situation where it not only was appropriate to get physical (without sexual intent), but actually necessary. I also failed at taking the lead and at least trying a plan to solve the emergency, presenting a man who has a crisis under control.

I blame this on the fact, that I'm infatuated, while I shouldn't be - not at this stage (pre-bangmartial). Ancient ingrained behavioral patterns showed up from the last time I was infatuated - a time when I was still fully bluepilled. That hit me unexpected and surprised me.

The texting part you quoted happening after the fact worked out well, no fail there.
07-08-2019 06:12 AM
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(07-08-2019 06:12 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 02:53 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  What part of this story do you consider a fail?

My confused and awkward behavior during the first 38 of the total 40 minutes of being with her, while my brain crashed in a reboot loop figuring out what to do. In my post-mortem assessment this was a situation where it not only was appropriate to get physical (without sexual intent), but actually necessary. I also failed at taking the lead and at least trying a plan to solve the emergency, presenting a man who has a crisis under control.
I blame this on the fact, that I'm infatuated, while I shouldn't be - not at this stage (pre-bangmartial). Ancient ingrained behavioral patterns showed up from the last time I was infatuated - a time when I was still fully bluepilled. That hit me unexpected and surprised me.
The texting part you quoted happening after the fact worked out well, no fail there.

It's probably your loneliness that has caused these feelings to bubble.

An interesting point you bring up though is regarding touch. The feminist movement wants to portray all touching between the sexes as inappropriate and sexual. In a way they are correct. However, we must acknowledge that the majority of people crave being touched... it's required for their emotional well being. My belief is that context and body placement are key to acceptability and should probably warrant a thread of its own.

The infatuation feelings are typically caused by idealization of your female subject. A more cynical view of her will likely remove these feelings like taking a pin to a balloon.
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