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(06-28-2019 11:30 PM)MusicForThePiano Wrote:  I was with some kiwi's and some foreigners once at a house party in NZ, and this fucking bloke who inherited the house from his dead mum was going off to all of us not from oceania that the aussies used to hunt abbos for sport and it was legal to shoot them until the 1990s.

Ahh the good old days.
Metallica's "Kill 'em All" blasting through the tape deck on a night out with the boys doing a bit of harmless abo culling out in the back paddock. I remember it fondly. The gang rape parties were at least as much fun as the genocide. Good times.

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(06-28-2019 11:30 PM)MusicForThePiano Wrote:  I was with some kiwi's and some foreigners once at a house party in NZ, and this fucking bloke who inherited the house from his dead mum was going off to all of us not from oceania that the aussies used to hunt abbos for sport and it was legal to shoot them until the 1990s. I couldn't believe the shit coming out of this guys mouth. The europeans were eating it up like "oh my God" I could see them starting to blush and feel shame for this mockery of guilt.

Another example of Kiwis making shit up to try to sound cool
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Happens so often over and over, you start to tune it out after a while. Poor Europeans trusting people from a bullshitting culture Confused
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Twice in my life I've heard word of mouth stories about "just fucking shooting the abbos" as something that happened a few decades ago, even in well-settled south-eastern Australia. Not sure what to believe. Even the leftist information sources don't record this kind of thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ma...ustralians
There's only one isolated incident recorded after the 1920s.

edit: the single "aboriginal massacre" recorded by Wikipedia after the 1920s was perpetrated by other Aborigines.
Can't really trust Wiki in this instance. I remember news reports in the last decade about tribal wars in the NT where they are just going around spearing rival clans. Makes you think how little we really know about what could be going on. If there was a full-on Aboriginal war up in Arnhem land, and the media and police agreed to keep it a bit quiet, we'd never know.

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The Aboriginals were culturally enriched and diversity is their strength. Why cant these xenophobic, racist brown privileged natives stop oppressing the innocent colonizers.

Tongue and cheek aside I actually sympathize with the Aboriginal. Stripped of their lands, culture decimated by an invasive people and weird genocidal breeding programs with Anglo's and children stolen from their tribes and put into culturally foreign boarding schools (re-education camps)

Today's Aboriginal is a demoralized people, intermixed/diluted with other tribes, completely detached from what they once were, addicted to a generous welfare system that demotivates them to achieve anything and a conquered people in their ancestral lands. Ironically I see the same thing happening to lower class Anglo's.
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(06-29-2019 05:12 AM)Sword and Board Wrote:  The Aboriginals were culturally enriched and diversity is their strength. Why cant these xenophobic, racist brown privileged natives stop oppressing the innocent colonizers.

Tongue and cheek aside I actually sympathize with the Aboriginal. Stripped of their lands, culture decimated by an invasive people and weird genocidal breeding programs with Anglo's and children stolen from their tribes and put into culturally foreign boarding schools (re-education camps)

Today's Aboriginal is a demoralized people, intermixed/diluted with other tribes, completely detached from what they once were, addicted to a generous welfare system that demotivates them to achieve anything and a conquered people in their ancestral lands. Ironically I see the same thing happening to lower class Anglo's.


Meh.
I'd argue that they had ~50,000 years on one of the the most resource rich land masses on the entire planet, with little to no enemies.
Yet they did jack shite except invent a bent stick & a glorified farting stick...

(For all intents & purposes) The Egyptians built the pyramids.
The Chinese built the Great Wall.
The Vikings sailed many, many seas.
The Spaniards sailed many, many seas.
Arabs helped with algebra.
Greeks helped with democracy.
The Library of Alexandria. The Colossus of Rhodes.

Plenty of peoples worldwide have achieved impressive acts. All dependent on the establishment of viable civilization.

Now back to the Aus. aborigines. Bent sticks, farting sticks, crappy dot artwork & sorry tales of rainbow snakes. Colour me -not- impressed...

The Aus. aborigines lost.
They lost cause they did not progress & establish civilization.
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(06-29-2019 07:03 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 05:12 AM)Sword and Board Wrote:  The Aboriginals were culturally enriched and diversity is their strength. Why cant these xenophobic, racist brown privileged natives stop oppressing the innocent colonizers.

Tongue and cheek aside I actually sympathize with the Aboriginal. Stripped of their lands, culture decimated by an invasive people and weird genocidal breeding programs with Anglo's and children stolen from their tribes and put into culturally foreign boarding schools (re-education camps)

Today's Aboriginal is a demoralized people, intermixed/diluted with other tribes, completely detached from what they once were, addicted to a generous welfare system that demotivates them to achieve anything and a conquered people in their ancestral lands. Ironically I see the same thing happening to lower class Anglo's.


Meh.
I'd argue that they had ~50,000 years on one of the the most resource rich land masses on the entire planet, with little to no enemies.
Yet they did jack shite except invent a bent stick & a glorified farting stick...

(For all intents & purposes) The Egyptians built the pyramids.
The Chinese built the Great Wall.
The Vikings sailed many, many seas.
The Spaniards sailed many, many seas.
Arabs helped with algebra.
Greeks helped with democracy.
The Library of Alexandria. The Colossus of Rhodes.

Plenty of peoples worldwide have achieved impressive acts. All dependent on the establishment of viable civilization.

Now back to the Aus. aborigines. Bent sticks, farting sticks, crappy dot artwork & sorry tales of rainbow snakes. Colour me -not- impressed...

The Aus. aborigines lost.
They lost cause they did not progress & establish civilization.

The boomerang isn't even a uniquely abo creation either (from the Wiki page on em)

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(06-28-2019 02:53 AM)Bluey Wrote:  Effectively Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane are cities in Australia, but not Australian cities at this point. When you've got people like a girl at my work (early 20's, born here) declaring they're Greek rather than Aussie, it's fairly safe to say the "multicultural" experiment is a dismal failure, no matter how much it's trumped.

I think there's still a very strong feeling of nationalism for Aussies, as the Crunulla riots showed. That scared the crap out of the "elites" at the time. The biggest problem is that all the major parties are on board the immigration driving growth. One nation is the only decent sized party addressing it at all, and they've been vilified for 20 years as a party for racists.

As a side note, there are ethnic Chinese who have been here before federation, including people like Billy Sing, as well as Afghans who interbred with the local Aboriginal population. Pixelfree is correct though, that the Australian nation is very much on UK decent.

Having said that, I believe that most of the people who have moved here will move on when things go south. The Chinese will move back when it's no longer viewed as safe, as will most of the Indians. Probably an even split on the African blacks getting exterminated or booted out (the Somali and Sudanese have tainted any African). It's past the point where immigrants are able to assimilate, they can go about their lives and never meet an Aussie in several of the major cities.

There's been quite a few posts on RVF I've read that echo many of the feelings I have about it all, not just from Aussies. Honestly, I was talking to a family friend last weekend and hit on the idea that whatever Australian culture was it's been hollowed out and people don't know what their values are any more. They've got reality staring them in the face, but what's been pushed for society at large is so different they can't reconcile it.

Probably a year ago now I came to the conclusion I don't have a future here as an Australian straight white male, my nation, all the values I grew up with, and that the politicians appeal to are no longer the values of Australia. My roots are here, right back to my great grandparents, with the exception of one grandfather.

Not really sure how to end this post, or really nail down exactly what I think about it all. Pretty black about it all at the moment to be honest.

I came to a similar realisation a while ago - it was anger and defiance for a while, then acceptance that Australia (as it was founded) was a product of its time and that time has ended. It's like a life-raft surrounded by sharks at this point (or something less dramatic).

I don't know if most Greeks and Italians ever saw themselves as "Aussies";they've always seemed to be careful about making sure we know they're not like us (food etc.). My experience, at least.

I think if/when things go south the Chinese government will assert control over Australia especially given their ever-growing population and influence over trade and the region militarily).

Personally, I plan to make the best of it here, and keep an eye open for emigration opportunities in future, but realistically that's unlikely.

(06-28-2019 04:05 PM)bk19xsa Wrote:  Currently the cricket world cup is going on in UK. It is shameful how many British citizens support their ancestral nation teams. Especially the Indians and Pakistanis. To some extent the Bangladeshis and Afghans too. Some of them are even second or third generation UK nationals and yet they will wear colors of Indian or Pakistani national teams as well as wave their flags.

I saw the same thing in Australian cricket stadiums the last world cup in 2015 or whenever India or Pakistan tour Australia.

If you are carrying the passport of the country you are living in, regardless of where you were born or where your ancestral home is, then you should support your adopted home. Otherwise you are not being loyal to your passport country.

The counter argument is that it is only a sport. Fine, I would agree with that if you genuinely love the sport and have been following the sport for ages. Chances are this kind of fan would support the national team that plays the best and not support a team just for nationalistic pride. Many well educated sport fans are like that. They will understand the bad things about their nation for a particular sport and if there is another country that is playing well then they would support it but not blatantly or as a zealot.

However, most of these Indian-Pakistani flag waving Britishers/Aussies don't follow the sport much except when it comes to world cups where they can show their fake jignoism. It also shows how much they really care about UK/Australia and if ever they are integrated.They are just selfishly using these countries so that they can gain the good things these countries have to offer and in their hearts they are still Indian or Pakistani.

Imagine the other way around. A good number of Europeans adopt India as home, gain citizenship and live for few generations there(I know, not going to happen but just for the sake of argument). On matchday they come wearing English/Aussie colors to the Indian stadiums, blatantly supporting their former nations. The amount of uproar that will take place in India and even worldwide will be never before seen.

I've been to group activities where people from places like India and Malaysia will tell everyone about the cultural days from their home countries, their frequent visits back 'home' and then in the next breath tell everyone that they are Aussies just like me. It's obviously a joke to them and almost an unconscious mockery of the situation Europeans in Australia find themselves in.

I've worked/work among people who openly speak foreign languages in office jobs now, which I've never seen until recently. In the communal areas and even at their own desks taking phone calls. Incredibly rude, but no-one dares call them out on it (this includes what I believe were Italians among others). I've also had foreign taxi drivers ask me where I'm from (my family on both sides has been here since mid 1800's and helped build the country), but even other 'Aussies' have done this. It's a mess.

(06-28-2019 04:14 AM)Sword and Board Wrote:  On the surface Australia seems like a great place with its natural wonders, good weather, decent health care and relative safety underpinned by a stable economy.

Dig deeper and you will find its a cultural and spiritual wasteland in its cities. A brothel for globohomo. A shiny Starbucks that appears nice, modern and clean but is ideologically rotten as the teeth of those that consume its sugary drinks.

Baby boomer and contemporary Anglo generations browbeat into submission and indoctrinated with "new-think". White groups taught shame and self hate having no loyalty to each other. More often than not animosity. Feminism running rampant, an education system militantly left. Growing special interest and victim groups continuously sucking for more milk from the white teet.

Immigration is generally different tribes coming to "get theirs" and only invested in their communities....I don't blame them.... its the how do we screw over the locals mindset whilst the left, the shecklebergs and virtue signallers cheer them on that leaves a bitter taste. Zio-worshipping sell-out leadership all too willing to offer us like lambs to the slaughter whilst telling us its great with a shit eating smile on their face.

I honestly don't give a fuck about Australia anymore. Its lost and was never really ours to begin with. I have family roots in Europe. I care about homelands for white people. Everyone is allowed to embrace and celebrate a homeland and protect their unique culture and independence except Europeans. Globohomo wont stop its tyranny once its eradicated the European, Some folks should think about that.

I agree. Even though I get frustrated will fellow Europeans in Australia and their stupidity and short-sightedness and lack of understanding of what's happening, I try not to get too negative about it anymore. I think we just need to see Australia like the other peoples do - a prosperous place where (for now) we can live good lives with more opportunity than in many other places. It's not our home, never was, and I think unsustainable as a European state anymore given changes over the last 100 years.

Really, it's an amazing feat that this country exists at all but given it's location from Europe I don't think it was destined for longevity. Unfortunately it's a bit a like a game of historical musical chairs - the expansion, the growth, the optimism, the achievements, and then the decline once people lose touch with the spirit that drove the whole project forward. The music will stop eventually and some of us are going to be left standing.

This conclusion leaves limited options for men who are aware - embrace a future as a minority among people who don't care for us, try and leave for Europe (ideally central/eastern), or form small communities and live as seperately as possible from the mainstream like the 'minorities' do now. All difficult choices.
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Bloody clown world...

University bans 'inappropriate' scientific data about the arrival of humans in Australia because it is 'offensive to Aborigines who believe they have been here forever'

Science lecturers at the University of New South Wales have been told to stop telling students that Indigenous people's arrived in Australia 40,000 years ago.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...mings.html
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Not sure why Australians feel so guilty about what happened to aborigines.

It was the f***ing British that did it.

The abo's should take their case to England.
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(06-29-2019 08:18 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Bloody clown world...

University bans 'inappropriate' scientific data about the arrival of humans in Australia because it is 'offensive to Aborigines who believe they have been here forever'

Science lecturers at the University of New South Wales have been told to stop telling students that Indigenous people's arrived in Australia 40,000 years ago.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...mings.html

I'm sorry to disagree with you guys but I think the university might be right about them being there forever, no human tribe has been around that long. The average abbo woman is a Lovecraftian abomination that will cause insanity if looked at for too long. Such heretical 'evidence' should not be proliferated as it would harm the welfare state and the cosmic nature of the abbo elder gods.
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(06-29-2019 08:18 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Bloody clown world...

University bans 'inappropriate' scientific data about the arrival of humans in Australia because it is 'offensive to Aborigines who believe they have been here forever'

Science lecturers at the University of New South Wales have been told to stop telling students that Indigenous people's arrived in Australia 40,000 years ago.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...mings.html
Quote:given that modern human populations only moved out of ­Africa 50,000-55,000 years ago.

Why can't these people stop lying for just one second?
Quote:There were at least several "out-of-Africa" dispersals of modern humans, possibly beginning as early as 270,000 years ago, and certainly during 130,000 to 115,000 ago via northern Africa.[8][9][10][11][12][13] These early waves appear to have mostly died out or retreated by 80,000 years ago.[14]

The most significant "recent" wave took place about 70,000 years ago

Mind you, this is Wiki trying to obfuscate.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42817323

Quote:Modern humans left Africa much earlier

Last year, researchers published evidence from German Neanderthal remains of mixing that occurred between 219,000 and 460,000 years ago. And in 2016, a team found signs that pioneer groups from Africa interbred with Neanderthals in the Altai region of Siberia about 100,000 years ago.

These people are just lying non-stop. Disclaimer, they say "these waves are thought to have gone extinct". You decide how much you want to believe those theories, considering these liars claimed Out of Africa to be 50.000 years old until just recently.

Now, I'll tell you what, I actually do fully believe that the Abos are way more ancient than is claimed. Their skull shape is straight up archaic:

[Image: 1476414982370.jpg]

They have every archaic feature in the book, the protuding jaw, the massive orbital bones, the sloping forhead with prominent brow ridge.

Now keep in mind the Abos are supposed to have left Africa 50K years ago and arrive 10K years later.

This is a Cro-Magnon skull that is 30-40K old.

[Image: sapiens_Cromagon_HOP_3qtr_rt_sq.jpg?itok=AoEwVJ0S]

Of course, difficult to see what we're looking at, but you notice the lack of archaic features already. No jaw prognatism, no sloping forehead, no massive brow ridge.

How does that fit with that both Abos and white Europeans left Africa 50K years ago, then both in only 10.000 years developed extremely different?

The truth is, it's all a bunch of lies. Man didn't leave Africa 50K years ago and Abos are not only 50K old.
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@Pangloss and others who are concerned about the loyalty levels of immigrants; this is what Asians and Africans had to deal with during colonial times.

Whites were not complaining about being a minority when they were ruling most of Asia, Africa and Latin America. The current insecurity comes from the fact that eventually, whites in their home countries will be considered one of many. i.e. they can practice their religion and culture but it won't be the only one in the country. Others will get equal importance and anything that is considered offensive will be banned as hate speech.

Many here talk about how Asians would react if massive white immigration happened to their countries. I will give you India's example.

In India, the Ango-Indian community (defined as a person of parental European descent and Christian religion) has mostly Indian blood but they still consider themselves British and show this in their names, language, religion and food habits. India still has special political representation for them but in Britain, Indian Hindus don't get any special representation, they just have to run for elections like everyone else.

To be clear, I don't hate whites or take any pleasure in what is happening. But at the current trends of PCness, there may come a time when whites in their home countries will end up like Brahmins and other uppercaste groups in India - a small hated minority that is blamed for everything wrong in the country. FYI, Brahmins were never businessmen or kings, they were the intellectual class. There were and are plenty of poor Brahmins but even today they are made the scapegoats for India's economic performance.
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(06-29-2019 08:29 PM)Sgt Donger Wrote:  Not sure why Australians feel so guilty about what happened to aborigines.

It was the f***ing British that did it.

The abo's should take their case to England.

Said Australians and similar minded Americans/Canadians/Kiwis apparently don't feel guilty enough to hand over their cushy home and lifestyle to a native and piss over back to the lands of their forefathers if they had any conviction about it.

I never felt personally bad about what befell the Amerindians here in the States any more than I do for those that were on the wrong side of the Mongols, and why would I? I life a comfortable life in a first world European country, which unfortunately, is being handed away to the refuse of the third world like an all you can eat buffet and wasted in moronic self-defeating wars
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(06-28-2019 10:11 PM)Georgepithyou Wrote:  Australia is the most cucked nation on the planet, literally being sold off to China while being flooded with third world immigrants

As bad as Sweden? Not sure we've fallen that far yet.
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Of course Australia - the country and nation it is now - was created by mostly Anglo-Saxon settlers. Without them there would be no Australia. Who controlled the land before having a bunch of grasshuts with no wheel on it - that is irrelevant. Plus - Australians made the lives of Aboriginals much better in terms of living standard even if the comparison itself does not bring happiness of course.

Australian Nationalism should encompass a desire to remain majority Anglo - or at least quite strongly assimilable majority White while following the original guidelines of the founding tribe.

Anyone who wants to follow the Aboriginal lifestyle is free to do so anyway, but that is not a country anyone would want to live in if they ruled to this day.
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Curious as to how they made aboriginal lives better?

Would that be by killing them!

Certainly didn't help the Tasmanian aborigines, they were wiped out completely.

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With so much readily available information on the topic, anyone espousing "Muh Aborigines" tropes is either dishonest or plain st00pid.

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(07-02-2019 05:47 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Of course Australia - the country and nation it is now - was created by mostly Anglo-Saxon settlers. Without them there would be no Australia. Who controlled the land before having a bunch of grasshuts with no wheel on it - that is irrelevant. Plus - Australians made the lives of Aboriginals much better in terms of living standard even if the comparison itself does not bring happiness of course.

Australian Nationalism should encompass a desire to remain majority Anglo - or at least quite strongly assimilable majority White while following the original guidelines of the founding tribe.

Anyone who wants to follow the Aboriginal lifestyle is free to do so anyway, but that is not a country anyone would want to live in if they ruled to this day.
Right, the British settlers made better use of the land than the primitives who resided in it by founding a modern and prosperous society. Modern Aussies shouldn't feel the least bit ashamed about it and should fight tooth and nail to maintain it.
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(07-02-2019 06:47 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Curious as to how they made aboriginal lives better?

Would that be by killing them!

Certainly didn't help the Tasmanian aborigines, they were wiped out completely.

Hostilities aside, its not like peace wasn't striven for first. The settlers had backbone, and when one of them was speared by an aboriginal they returned the favor.

I don't think I would say better or worse. To an abo living life tribal and primitive is not a negative connotation. I would just say that European and Tribal lineages are simply incompatible.
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No settler was speared by an aborigine.

Why do people always have to come up with an excuse and some weak ass justification?

Even if that was the case, which it isn’t. Does that mean you have to exterminate ALL of them like wild animals.

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You have no way of knowing that a settler was never murdered by an aborigine, just like I don't know that all settlers were peaceful or not. It was a frontier, plenty of settlers were murdered and plenty of aborigines were killed. Statistics speak for themselves. I suppose they didn't make aborigine lives better, the same way no amount of misled Christian missionaries helped out African tribes nor maritime colonial expansion helped native tribes of the Americas. I could take the view that some have by saying that colonialism brought them medicine, education, etc, but I don't think that way. I don't think any of their lives were made better by any interaction with Europeans or their descendants. Why? Because their lives can't be made better, they were made to live tribal and in their own culture, and if I were a part of them I probably would have killed an invading group of people too, if given the chance.

Don't be ashamed of natives killing whites and chide innocence in them because they were not poor and helpless, they were warriors and hunters. Same thing happened with the frontier in America, there were massacres of native tribes but at the same time many settlers were murdered. That's what happens when two incompatible cultures meet and assimilation is forced. It's not meant to happen. Yes the whites did 'tame' the land eventually, but at what cost? I have yet to see tribal and civilized be able to live in harmony without some kind of forced or hidden segregation.

Everyone deserves their own land for their own people. Whites deserve a land free of all others, and blacks deserve their own lands with no whites. All of the abos weren't exterminated because there's still plenty of them around, I've seen them and talked to them during my time in AUS. The jews don't want whites to have their own lands, and the Chinese don't want blacks to have their own lands, as it would seem now.
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(07-02-2019 10:41 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  No settler was speared by an aborigine.

Why do people always have to come up with an excuse and some weak ass justification?

Even if that was the case, which it isn’t. Does that mean you have to exterminate ALL of them like wild animals.

I think you're being too simplistic here Rudeboy, reducing this to a black and white modern colonial narrative. The link you've provided on page one paints a more complex scene, here is the conclusion of their study:

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The war on the pastoral frontier in Tasmania had terrifying consequences for the Tasmanian Aborigines. At the outset, in 1823, an estimated 2,000 Aborigines were in the war zone. By 1831, an estimated 448 at least, had been killed by the colonists, or 22% of the population, and that an estimated 413 had lost their lives in 27 known multiple killings of five or more.

The practice of multiple killings, matches the evidence from the pastoral frontier in the colony of Victoria between 1835 and 1859 and in the Gulf Country in Northern Australia between 1872 and 1900 (Clark, 1995; Broome, 2005; Roberts, 2005). In Victoria, it has been estimated that 10% of the Aboriginal population were directly killed by the colonists, mostly in multiple killings (Broome, 2005:80-81).

So in Tasmania, more Aborigines were killed in a shorter period, than perhaps in any other part of Australia.

However, there was also a high loss of life among the colonists on the Tasmanian pastoral frontier. It has recently been estimated that at least 250 colonists were killed by Aborigines in at least 113 separate incidents where between one and two colonists were killed and two incidents where four colonists were killed (Ryan, 2006; Plomley, 1992:58-100). This makes an Aboriginal/colonial death ratio of less than 2:1, far lower than the nearby colony of Victoria where in the period 1835 to 1859, the death ratio is estimated at 12:1 (Broome, 2005:80-81).

The major difference between Tasmania and pastoral frontiers in other parts of Australia is that the combatants on both sides lost their lives in great numbers. The Black War in Tasmania was a mighty struggle for possession of the country. The Aborigines lost the war, with a huge loss of life. The survivors were deported from their country.
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https://www.sciencespo.fr/mass-violence-...-1804-1835

There are many instances of very violent western colonialism, like in Leopold's Congo, and others where western colonials improved the lot of the locals, like the Jesuit missionaries in Paraguay, who introduced a successful social model that guaranteed the economic welfare and independence of local tribes, and butressed the local culture and dialect of the Guarani tribes. Their language, the guarani, became the lingua franca in South America.

I've we've also seen on page one, some of the worst colonial genocidal cruelty was carried over by non-western tribes, like the Maoris, or the Aztecs, who captured and ritually sacrified enemies by the hundreds of thousands, literally ripping their hearts out while they were alive and bouncing their severed heads down pyramid stairs.

"The Last of the Mohicans" refers to the genocide of the original tribes of southern Quebec by the Mohawks, down to the last, a couple of centuries ago. Area Mohawks, who are numerous (about the same numbers than in pre-European America) have special territorial and federal privileges, complain about western colonialism but don't mention much about the most radical form of colonialism their own ancestors practiced with their neighbors...

As well, the worst acts of western imperialism were carried against other western nations, like the Allies starving 7 million Germans after the end of WW2 in a network of 50 concentration camps, or burning alive a quarter million civilians in Dresden in the late stages of the war, a city of no military strategic importance that was packed with a million refugees. That's 500 times more civilians bombed and burned alive in 24 hrs than natives were killed in Tasmania over several decades of Australian colonialism.

Keep in mind that this is something you would never have published in a Sciences Po. or any other leading western university, any prof talking about the real scale of these real German genocides would see his career destroyed overnight.

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One aspect of why this western guilt trip over colonialism is so comical, is that there's massive statues dedicated to Genghis Khan in Mongolia.

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And in inner Mongolia in China.

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If Mongols aren't guilt tripped over him and even consider him a hero, why shouldn't British isles descendant from the first world societies of CAN/US/AU/NZ feel pride over what their forefathers achieved?
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Interesting how rudebwoy takes the side of the aboriginals even though he has nothing in common with them ethnically - except that both are non-white. Then these same non-whites say that there's no such thing as "white", that Slavs are Slavs and Italians are Italians, etc. Nope. To the extent that non-whites show solidarity against whites, regardless of their own diversity, you will have white solidarity in response.

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(07-03-2019 12:58 AM)RawGod Wrote:  Interesting how rudebwoy takes the side of the aboriginals even though he has nothing in common with them ethnically - except that both are non-white. Then these same non-whites say that there's no such thing as "white", that Slavs are Slavs and Italians are Italians, etc. Nope. To the extent that non-whites show solidarity against whites, regardless of their own diversity, you will have white solidarity in response.

It's a self-serving narrative, like the one that America is a "nation of immigrants" and that anyone can become an "American" as if it's akin to changing a pair of socks.
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