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RE: Australian nationalism - misconceptions about Australia history
The truth about all the Aboriginal history is that the European Anglo-Saxon/Celtic settlers did take away the land from the Aboriginals to build this country. They did commit many crimes and brutalities against Aboriginals in the process.

By now though, all this compensating Aboriginals talk and payments has reached the point where Aboriginals are nothing more than a drain on Australia. They’ve literally been receiving millions and billions of gibsmedats for at least the last 50 years. They are literally a completely useless population that does nothing with these gibsmedats besides buy drugs, cigarettes and alcohol. Even with all the gibsmedats, they still lay around homeless in cities all day, while stealing from shops, harassing people and committing other petty crimes. They also pretty much attack white people or literally anyone else whenever they’re bored and feel like it. Of course, if anyone says anything or tries to do anything, they’ll always play the, “It’s muh land ya white cunt!” card.

They are literally even more useless than Roma (Polite word for Gypsies) in Europe. At least some Roma in Europe bother to get a job or bother to play music for money. Some Roma are at least theoretically, and to a limited extent, capable of being a positive contribution to society. Aboriginals are just a population that is like a great mass of homeless people allowed to do whatever they like.

Having said that, there is a small percentage of Aboriginals in the countryside who do their best to live in the traditions and spirit of their ancestors unlike their useless urban parasite co-ethnics. As in, they hunt from wildlife, sit by campfires singing tribal music with instruments, and do their best to live in accordance with nature. By “in accordance with nature” I mean literally hunting, fishing and so on. These Aboriginals genuinely are worthy of respect for upholding the traditions of their ancestors despite a severe and critical interruption in their existence with the arrival of Europeans.

The biggest problem with all of this though is that the issue of Aboriginals is a prime point of political cuckoldry. Every single time, everywhere, at any public gathering, it must be imprinted 6 million times into the consciousness of any audience that Aboriginals are native to the land …

This doesn’t do anything besides irritate everyone else who isn’t Aboriginal. It’s literally like imposing the Holocaust in everyone’s face 24/7 …

It’s also why people are completely unenthusiastic for Australian history at school as well. At least half of all history education in school is literally teaching people about the displacement and replacement of Aboriginals. All it does is just produce cognitive dissonance for everyone else that’s not Aboriginal and make them hate themselves. I suppose that’s the whole point of this “education” though and why it’s deliberately pushed from above …

It’s not that this shouldn’t be taught, but there are literally millions of other more important and relevant things in world history to teach, even in Australian history as well.

The gibsmedats don’t solve anything in relation to the issue of Aboriginal populations. A much better and healthier solution would be to simply give some land in the countryside to the Aboriginals, an ethnostate with limited autonomy for them if they want, where they can live in accordance with the way their ancestors did with minimal foreign interference. As for all the others, if they want to live in cities, no gibsmedats and no special rules where they can basically get away with criminal offenses. Basically, all Aboriginals who live in cities would have to subscribe to European norms of behavior. Of course, this is a simple, common sense and logical solution that can’t happen because it’s pure racism to imply that there’s something wrong with Aboriginals living off White gibsmedats and to even dare to cut the gibs off. The racist horror! …

"And guess what, you might have a feeling that youre destined for something else, and that any day now it will dawn on you, but it will remain that, just a feeling that you use as a crutch to never focus on anything", Beirut.
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The blacks will not live on white gibs forever. This is a fad like most things in history, and if history has proven anything true, nothing lasts forever. Even in Europe with the muslim gibs, I'd say the longest this can go on for if there are no meltdowns, no global disasters or further world wars, would be 2030-2040, maybe 2050. The younger generation won't stand for it, and most of the boomers will be dead by then, and there won't be enough white fools to allow themselves to be host to a multitude of urban parasites, which will cause the system to go after all whites to try and "corral" them in to cities to be used as slaves, or economic units, to provide for much more unproductive economic units. Of course even this won't last if it succeeds. The whole thing has been doomed to failure from the start, though it may take a hundred years for the whole thing to come crashing down.

Israel still has to take care of Iran and North Korea and install central banks and pro-zog-puppets in those countries before the global currency could go into effect. If the US does the dirty work for them (who else would?) then it will exhaust the US economy to disaster and we will have strife without end until someone carves up some new lines on the map and tells everyone else to get fucked. Hopefully those ballsy Aussies can do the same, and retain their history and pride. Like North America, they built a civilization out of savage land, but they don't get enough credit, they built it out of some of the most Godforsaken terrain on this earth. I don't know how many of you that don't live in AUS have tripped through the outback, but it can be hell.
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(07-03-2019 12:58 AM)RawGod Wrote:  Interesting how rudebwoy takes the side of the aboriginals even though he has nothing in common with them ethnically - except that both are non-white. Then these same non-whites say that there's no such thing as "white", that Slavs are Slavs and Italians are Italians, etc. Nope. To the extent that non-whites show solidarity against whites, regardless of their own diversity, you will have white solidarity in response.

In a nutshell why immigration destroys nations. You see this time and time again.
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I’m not taking any side, I tell history like it is.

I would have more respect for people if they came right out and said we fucked up the natives, not this continued revisionist history crap people keep spewing.

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(06-29-2019 07:03 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Now back to the Aus. aborigines. Bent sticks, farting sticks, crappy dot artwork & sorry tales of rainbow snakes. Colour me -not- impressed..

Not to hate on Aborigines (it wasn't the spirit of the thread) but those dot paintings were invented by a white art school teacher, Geoffrey Bardon in the 1970s... Even the ultra leftist ABC agrees.

(07-02-2019 06:47 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Curious as to how they made aboriginal lives better?

As I mention earlier it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows, although according to the best theories out there it would be another Africa (militias, warlords, dictators (puppet ones potentially), inter Aboriginal wars, famine, low life expectancy, etc) or the Aborigines would have been actually genocided by Chinese, Japanese, Indonesians, Maoris or similar. So yes, in some ways their lives are better, some ways worse, some ways we can't really tell. But yes, I would agree if there was some way to put huge force field around the land mass and not allow any outside influence then yes they would probably be better off living their traditional life.

I've heard some horrible first hand accounts from nurses who worked up in Arnhem Land (a huge section of Australia that is essentially segregated off for Aboriginal people to live their traditional lifestyle, with little to zero contact with white people). Domestic violence at epic proportions, stories of 13 year old girls being treated for chlamydia because their uncle raped them and so on. Of course, none of this can be discussed because it's 'racist', which is truely horrible because if you actually cared about Aboriginal people (as I do) you'd start fixing these issues by first discussing them at least. It's all just swept under the rug or put in the 'too hard' basket.

It also would not surprise me if the stories of the 'stolen generations' were actually (mostly) well intended (but perhaps misguided) efforts by white people to help Aboriginal people. i.e. just in the same way today we'd have some child protection agency remove that 13 year old girl who is getting raped by her uncle. Would that be cruel 'stealing her' and putting her into foster care, or would that be helping her? It's really hard to know the truth here, because all we are taught is that were were pure evil.

In regards to the 'white people did bad stuff too' comments, of course they did, I don't think anyone would argue otherwise. The point worth making is that all people of all colours and races did bad stuff to one another at some point in history - it's not like white people have a monopoly here. Genghis Khan brutally raped and killed around 10% of the earths population of the day (inc. Europeans) and his face is now printed on the money in Mongolia.

As a side, there is also talk of smaller Australian pygmie type people that the Aboriginals genocided. Of course, various Google results will now tell you this is a myth, debunked or disputed. I don't know enough about it to say for sure, but I have seen photos around.
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A small tribe of 2000 can easily go down - especially when they try to fight back the White devils - slaughter peaceful farmers and settlers, massacre children. One such act can result in their extermination easily enough.

I am not excusing various massacres if they had been committed, but it seems that there was not a Bantu-like total massacre of the men, robbing of the women and then enslaving of the younger boys - while selling them to Muslim and Jewish slave-traders.

Being so small in numbers - then they could have easily carved out a peaceful existence, but some don't want that.

The interesting part about settlement, creation of nations is that this happens when there literally is nothing there. No one in the West looked at Japan in 1800 and thought: "Hm - let's settle this land and make a nice colony out of it." Western nations could have done so in terms of military and frankly if they had been Bantu or Muslims, then they would have conquered Japan brutally. Westerners usually created nations where there were no roads, no wheel, no nothing - biggest thing a bunch of grass- and mud-huts. The Star Trek prime directive wasn't in effect.

And I get it - there was the case of India, though that was motivated by diamonds more than anything - the only profitable colony for the British at all. Plus the process did not wipe out Indian culture - they were strong before and continued better without the British.
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(07-03-2019 07:52 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I’m not taking any side, I tell history like it is.

I would have more respect for people if they came right out and said we fucked up the natives, not this continued revisionist history crap people keep spewing.


Revisionist history goes something like this:

Once upon a time, the world outside Europe was populated solely by peaceful, noble people, living in perfect harmony with nature. In their spare time when they weren't collecting berries and tubers, (always mindful not to take too much so there was plenty left over for the friendly animals with whom they shared the environment), they enjoyed weaving baskets and singing hauntingly beautiful songs. Then one day, evil white people came and destroyed their idyllic existance, raping and pillaging, and bringing with them nothing but disease, death and destruction. The end.
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(07-03-2019 07:52 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I’m not taking any side, I tell history like it is.

I would have more respect for people if they came right out and said we fucked up the natives, not this continued revisionist history crap people keep spewing.

As do both myself and 911 with the facts we've posted. What's clearly revisionist is this sentiment that colonial effect on natives was somehow skewed one way instead of it being a conflict that negatively affected both parties since.

No ones calling you a liar or that you're wrong, and I'm not making shit up either. But you're only half right when you say the natives got fucked up while ignoring the obvious truth that there were casualties on both sides. You don't seem comfortable admitting the second half. It's almost as if these facts hurt your perception of the textbook history we all have been spoonfed from an early age. I would have more respect for others arguments if they weren't loaded with emotional misappropriation of the plight of fellow nonwhites-of-different-background.

The land is clearly big enough for both natives and settlers, in the US and Australia, but I will take the side of the natives, at least spiritually, and say that the descendants of the settlers are guilty of an even greater crime than their ancestors alleged genocide: that of stripping the native peoples of their hunter-gatherer and spiritual culture for the sake of gibs and complacency and petty recidivism in modern dead-end anti-culture. Thank liberal policies for further alienating a people from their roots.

Bloodshed is the unfortunate history of our kind, and it will never end while we live on this earth, but if one were to take the position of white bad native good they're just serving the other side of the same dialectic of people who think white good native bad. Perhaps if the churches and societies in Europe never underwent such drastic reformations (((infiltrations))) then the European peoples would not have a need to quarrel with king and country resulting in them scouring the ends of the earth for new homes, setting off this FUBAR chain reaction that brought us to the present day.
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However, most deaths were caused by diseases that Europeans brought to Australia, and the gradual takeover of Aboriginal lands for farms and settlements.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/educa...ground.htm

Economic Well-being: The colonization of Australia by the British also affected Australia's overall Economic Well-being. ... The economic effect on Britain because of imperialism was a positive effect, but to the natives of Australia it was mostly negative, because the Europeans took advantage of them.

http://britishimperialisminaustralia.blo...pacts.html

The colonisation of Australia had a devastating impact on Indigenous people, who have ... Prior to British settlement, more than 500 Indigenous groups inhabited the Australian ... Three main reasons for this dramatic population decline were: ... also introduced venereal disease to Indigenous people in epidemic proportions.

https://australianstogether.org.au/disco...onisation/

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European settlement in Tasmania began in 1803, which until 1856 was known as Van Diemens Land. Originally Tasmania was part of New South Wales, but became a separate jurisdiction in 1825. Between 1803 and 1853, some 76,000 convicts were brought to Tasmania. Many Tasmanian ex-convicts settled in South Australia.Jun 20, 2019

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If everyone catches disease from Europeans then why are they not the ones spreading disease now but rather the ones fleeing from it?

Perhaps you've read 'On the origin of the species by means of Natural Selection' by Charles Darwin? Don't be thrown by the title, he had some most fascinating things to say. Chilling things. Mr. Darwin spent time studying Aboriginals you know. He claims we are, at bottom, one in the same. He infers that we share a common ancestry with monkeys. So all in all, either this evolution crap is entirely verifiable and the supposed upper hand belongs to those whose manifest destiny takes them to the bounds of the earth, whereupon whatever deeds they commit in the name of their expansion is justified by their standing as the group that adheres to the selection mechanism, be they convicts or colonists. If that is the case, then what you have is one tribe of monkeys moving across the sea invading an island and killing the tribe of monkeys living there, and in this hypothetical there is no race because we're all the same, its just different levels of tribalism.

Or, all of this monkey business is a charade and a farcical delusion which seeks to remove identity from us all by relegating us to animals. In either case, just like how whites are being wiped out now due to their own stupidity, fallibility, gullibility, and weak-willed attitude to not defy a system that now seeks to enslave them, so too were the black and red tribes not strong enough to overpower and beat back the system that overtook their lands all those years ago. Perhaps whites cannot beat this system, just as how given their situation the tribes could not beat the system hundreds of years ago.

What happened was not right, nor was it wrong, it was inevitable.
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Charles Darwin is a fraud!!!!

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2 factors that are usually never mentioned because they were even hurting the emotions of previous historians are:

1) Syphillis being a disease that almost the entire upper class had once in Europe - bringing that incurable disease to the Americas of Australia would certainly impact the locals far more. In contrast - Europeans died like flies in Africa once due not being used those diseases. So Syphillis might indeed have impacted other tribes tremendously.

2) Another aspect that is also not talked about happily is the fact that according to recent estimates 2-5% of each generation of American Indian women (both in Canada as well as USA) left their native genepool and married the European settlers. That number may not be much at first glance, but over centuries that adds up to staggering numbers of 50% population reduction on top of certain diseaes. The old historians would not want to talk about it, because they did not want to admit the existence of so many half-bloods. The native Indian genes are not as dominant as with Africans, so it would not be as apparent.

Something similar might have happened at lesser degrees with the Aboriginals - especially since the there was such a pussy drought in the early days. There are quite big studies from Canada and they explain a lot of the population decrease of the natives. And it makes sense from a Red Pill perspective. Our own women would go for Alien men too if they conquered our planet and could bear their kids. It's normal female behavior.
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That's very interesting. I wonder how China will look if there are
more Ukraine women marrying rich Chinese men.
There are already a few news stories of this happening, but it
will likely increase since there is so few women in China for
those single rich men.

Does Australia consider the Chinese people in Hong Kong pre-97
to be British citizens, on the same level as Australian citizens, since
both are/were subjects and colonies of the British Queen?

There seems to be more people moving to Australia from Hong
Kong after China took over, so there is the shared British colonial
history between the two places.
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Yes and no.

There is a separation between those who built the country (turned a remote barren land into modern civilisation) and those who came later and enjoyed it.

Obviously you have non Anglo-Celtic people who contributed significantly / over generations, and in those cases they would be fully Westernised - Aussie culture, Aussie accent etc and they are mostly looked as as Aussies but everyone is different.

I don’t think the majority have a problem with non Anglo-Celtic people, it’s just the quantity, the quality and the enormous ramp up since the 80-90’s. e.g. we have FGM, child marriages, home invasions and stuff like that now.
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@Rudebwoy I agree. All said and done the native Aboriginal got screwed.

I’d be interested to here your opinion on a current people getting screwed. The Israeli land confiscation of Palestinians, illegal occupation, murder, war crimes and open air prisons etc. It’s obvious Israel’s end game is complete acquisition of their lands and for the Palestinians as a people to be erased from history. Thoughts?
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Whether it's English and other Europeans in the New World or Jews in Israel, at the end of the day it doesn't matter who is right or wrong.

People will want to migrate to a more developed society given a chance. That is why you see Africans and Filipinos in Israel today.

Modern humans are 40,000 years old and there must have been plenty of massacres and genocides in that amount of time.

I have leftist friends who along with their Muslim friends do Israel bashing, to which I say, you don't care how the US and Australia were founded. Given a chance, they will all migrate to those and other western countries founded on blood and imperialism.

I wish my ancestors had the foresight and wisdom to capture some big chunk of land somewhere so that the excess population would have an outlet.
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These sort of topics always degenerate into a mess. I have a theory they are often started by trolls as it traps the white goy into a moral dichotomy lose/lose situation.
Either you’re an evil Whitey colonizer. Or you support zionisms might is right conquests.
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(07-04-2019 12:22 AM)wannable alpha Wrote:  it doesn't matter who is right or wrong.

It matters if you were the Australian aboriginal that was shot by British settlers, or the American Indian that was shot by hmm, British colonisers, or the Palestinian guy that was shot by...not going to say it.
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Yeah it has turned into a mess. That wasn't the intention. Let me discuss some more positive things.

A common globohomo myth is that we're just a lucky country full of dumb farmers and we are rich because we dig stuff up out of the ground. Lots of Australians actually believe this to be mostly true.

Some counter info - we invented:
  • Wi Fi
  • Google Maps
  • Refrigeration
  • Black box flight recorders
  • Pacemakers (1928)
  • Ultrasound scanners
  • Underwater torpedos
  • Electric Drill (1889)
  • The Notepad (1902)
  • Frozen embryo baby (1984)

Sure - nothing compared to Europe or the US (we have a small population), but certainly not a bunch of dumb farmers and miners.

We are also insanely mad about sport. I'm not into it myself, but we punch massively above our weight in every olympics. AFL (Australian football) is attended by the largest % of the local population for any sport in the world. Mind you, basically no-one else plays it (but at least we don't call our Grand Final the 'World Series' Wink ).

We also have the longest growing economy in the world, something like 25-27 years without a recession. Basically anyone under the age of 35 has never known hard times. We side stepped the GFC by selling stuff to China. Being a smaller country we have been quite nimble, back from selling Meat, Wool and Dairy to Europe, then switching to something else when that cycle ended. The whole 'good times create weak men' thing is true here - people live in paradise yet whinge about it... once day we'll have to eat our vegetables (economically speaking) and when that happens people are in a for a very rude wake up call. The average house price is 10x our average income in Melbourne and 12x in Sydney, interest rates were just cut to 1% similar to the US...

Australians are also the richest people on the planet in terms of median net wealth per adult (either #1 or #2 behind Switerzland or Iceland, depending on which list and which year (our dollar goes up and down)) at roughly 200k USD (the US is 60k). This is mainly due to a compulsory superannuation scheme (think 401k) introduced in the 80's/90's (?) where our employers pay 9.5% of our salary into a retirement account by law and we can't touch it until we are 65-ish. We also have a comparatively low rich-poor gap too.

Also, one of our biggest exports (bigger than mining) is Education (mainly Asian uni students). A Western education is seen as very important in Asian culture but to be fair it's also popular because there is some kind of dodgy immigration/visa scam possible via student visas.
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(07-04-2019 02:48 AM)Sgt Donger Wrote:  
(07-04-2019 12:22 AM)wannable alpha Wrote:  it doesn't matter who is right or wrong.

It matters if you were the Australian aboriginal that was shot by British settlers, or the American Indian that was shot by hmm, British colonisers, or the Palestinian guy that was shot by...not going to say it.

Indeed - because everyone knows that Islam is a religion of Peace and Arabs would never do anything bad - except subjugate countless countries, attack Europe with 500 wars equivalent each to a crusade, enslave millions of Europeans and tens of millions of Africans. Nice touch also to castrate black men while taking the black women for sex and work.

[Image: 752081_5d720098a95d40e1b94a2fe1c61a50bb~mv2.png]
This a picture of an Eunuch - valid in the Arab world until the 1950s.
I had some other picture of a naked black girl standing next to her master washing his hands - done in 1908.

And the British "colonisers" were indeed so evil, because everyone knows that American Indians never wiped each other out constantly, did not even wipe out the horse on the Americas - one with nature and shit.

The Aboriginals also were just peaceful people who only happened to murder farmers - out of pure self-defense of course. Aboriginals usually attacked out of various reasons - sometimes punishing innocents after one settler had done something that displeased them. Obviously that would not work as anyone would know. When an French soldier kills a German soldier at the borders, then the local Germans did not massacre a few Frenchmen willy-nilly in retaliation. You negotiate and try to get to the bottom of things.

The Aboriginal conflicts usually were smaller and personal that sometimes ended up in massacres. The settleres were tried often for this, albeit convictions were not common - but they happened. Though it does not take a rocket scientist to predict that the previous Aboriginal system and tribe was unable to deal with modern implications. You cannot simply wipe out a disconnected family only because another guy did something against you. That would ultimately destroy you as the bigger party would react.

And finally - most "colonisers" were not some kind of glorious chaps. The imperialist powers demanded lands to repay the usury bankers, so they had to conquer what they could or the bankers - or other European countries would have conquered them. No colonies except for India gave any Europeans any profits. Sure - the US, Canada and Australia were then developed from them, but all other colonies were a net loss for the common people. Sending out impoverished soldiers all across the world or desperate people moving to very dangerous areas in the Americas or Australia - that is hardly a picknick. If it were then they would not have to arrest bread-thieves in Scotland and then ship them off to Australia. Most of those "criminals" were not really criminals, but the elites just upped the process and someone arrested for loitering (actually a crime in certain times in Europe) might have been shipped off to Australia. The people did what they could to survive under the circumstances. When two highly different tribes occupy an area, then conflicts ensue and the Aboriginals were very different, handled things as if negotiating with a different local tribe of theirs. You do something wrong, then I do something wrong to you and we are fine, eh? No - that is not how things work.

Also I would like to stress that this European inner conflict which spilled into coloising activity - that this created modern civilization. Were it not for that, then the Africans would be still in the bushes, getting castrated by Muslims and Aboriginals might still enjoy their lizard delicacies in the caves. The Chinese, Japanese and partly Indians had a good medieval system, but they were isolationist and static, you might get something out of them over thousands of years.

So you might say that the European colonies were the birth-pains of current-day modern civilization. You get our nice advanced system because those White Devils were at each others' throats for millennia. If one had come out on top like in China then you might have become one of those Eunuchs in Arabia.
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^^ Yep overall the British have been the most benevolent colonizers of all, the lack of perspective is galling. Of course they were not perfect and committed acts that would be frowned upon in 2019. Their former colony's are generally the most successful today, even in comparison to other European countries. The Spanish were far more brutal. Not even to mention non-European Colonizers who were all generally 10x worse (see Arabs, Japanese, even what the Bantu did to non Bantu in Africa). The education system is so idiotic these days it ignores all these to condemn the most successful and virtue signal.
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Yeah, the British Empire rose to prominence by being in competition with other European powers, and prevailing. Or at least, coming out on top. It could just as easily have been Germany (for example) who ruled over all these countries. Would their Empire have been kinder? I doubt it, I'm biased, but I don't think any other country would have been better fitted to rule over such a large area at the time.

Also, it was largely a private enterprise with equally private profits. But somehow, the consequences are far from private; somehow every Englishman alive today is responsible for it!

Australian Nationalism? They need to embrace it. Loving your own people, shouldn't mean hating everyone else, but at some point you have to make the decision to stop making everyone else in the world your responsibility! Just stop putting other people above your own, 'cos to do otherwise gets you no thanks, and is just perceived as weakness anyway, and invites abuse.

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(07-04-2019 07:19 AM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  ^^ Yep overall the British have been the most benevolent colonizers of all, the lack of perspective is galling. Of course they were not perfect and committed acts that would be frowned upon in 2019. Their former colony's are generally the most successful today, even in comparison to other European countries. The Spanish were far more brutal. Not even to mention non-European Colonizers who were all generally 10x worse (see Arabs, Japanese, even what the Bantu did to non Bantu in Africa). The education system is so idiotic these days it ignores all these to condemn the most successful and virtue signal.

Please provide a per capita income and HDI comparison of each and every former colony of UK, France, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Italy, US, Germany and Japan. Also, mention how long each colony was ruled.
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(07-03-2019 10:05 PM)Sword and Board Wrote:  @Rudebwoy I agree. All said and done the native Aboriginal got screwed.

I’d be interested to here your opinion on a current people getting screwed. The Israeli land confiscation of Palestinians, illegal occupation, murder, war crimes and open air prisons etc. It’s obvious Israel’s end game is complete acquisition of their lands and for the Palestinians as a people to be erased from history. Thoughts?

You really want my opinion!.

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(07-04-2019 07:19 AM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  ^^ Yep overall the British have been the most benevolent colonizers of all, the lack of perspective is galling. Of course they were not perfect and committed acts that would be frowned upon in 2019. Their former colony's are generally the most successful today, even in comparison to other European countries. The Spanish were far more brutal. Not even to mention non-European Colonizers who were all generally 10x worse (see Arabs, Japanese, even what the Bantu did to non Bantu in Africa). The education system is so idiotic these days it ignores all these to condemn the most successful and virtue signal.

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