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Hansel, the Lord Jesus loves you and wants you to love Him back. For this reason you were created with free will, so you can freely choose to do so.
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(06-30-2019 01:56 PM)wwtl Wrote:  Hansel, the Lord Jesus loves you and wants you to love Him back. For this reason you were created with free will, so you can freely choose to do so.

But if you do not love Lord Jesus and just want to be decent human being minding your own business - you are going to hell and live in torment for all eternity, without possibility of changing your stance once you see it is real - that's love. No pressure man, no pressure at all. Love.


You are free to join sultan's harem and love him or not. The sultan in his love has given you this choice. But if you choose to not join sultans harem you will be given to all the sultans men and all the sultans horses for free raping permanently. That is how love works in Christianworld.
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(06-30-2019 01:24 PM)Hansel Wrote:  These are my honest reactions and general atheist concerns I think. If you can enlighten me on this, I believe you will have me cornered and humbled.

The only point I'd disagree with is that the belief in free will does solve the problem of evil with regard to man-made evil. But that still leaves the massive amount of unnecessary suffering that exists in nature.
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(06-30-2019 02:13 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  But that still leaves the massive amount of unnecessary suffering that exists in nature.

This is one of many reasons why God only makes sense is if reincarnation exists and your suffering from natural causes in one life is not a big deal and you get chance to improve your condition in next life as general and personal evolution goes on.

A single lifetime Heaven/Hell God model does look very grim, agreed.
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(06-30-2019 02:03 PM)Mage Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 01:56 PM)wwtl Wrote:  Hansel, the Lord Jesus loves you and wants you to love Him back. For this reason you were created with free will, so you can freely choose to do so.

But if you do not love Lord Jesus and just want to be decent human being minding your own business - you are going to hell and live in torment for all eternity, without possibility of changing your stance once you see it is real - that's love. No pressure man, no pressure at all. Love.


You are free to join sultan's harem and love him or not. The sultan in his love has given you this choice. But if you choose to not join sultans harem you will be given to all the sultans men and all the sultans horses for free raping permanently. That is how love works in Christianworld.

Am I arrogant if I feel there's coercion involved in the Lord's love?
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(06-30-2019 02:19 PM)Mage Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 02:13 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  But that still leaves the massive amount of unnecessary suffering that exists in nature.

This is one of many reasons why God only makes sense is if reincarnation exists and your suffering from natural causes in one life is not a big deal and you get chance to improve your condition in next life as general and personal evolution goes on.

A single lifetime Heaven/Hell God model does look very grim, agreed.

I have never heard the common man can be reincarnated in Christianity, only an eternal life in Heaven. I thought that was a strictly Hindu thing. Will be obliged if you can show me otherwise, you seem to be quite knowledgeable in Christianity.
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(06-30-2019 02:13 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 01:24 PM)Hansel Wrote:  These are my honest reactions and general atheist concerns I think. If you can enlighten me on this, I believe you will have me cornered and humbled.

The only point I'd disagree with is that the belief in free will does solve the problem of evil with regard to man-made evil. But that still leaves the massive amount of unnecessary suffering that exists in nature.

If it is made known in the first place there is an ultimate judgment which punishes people who made the other choice with eternal suffering is there true free will? Or is that coercion? If so, why is forgiveness not practiced? Can one be too late for forgiveness in the religious realm of eternity?

Is there a reason to cause billions to die and suffer to merely show to one good and evil? God is Alpha and Omega, is He also good and evil, for He must have some kind of evilness inherent in him to be able to create evil? Is that correct?
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(06-30-2019 02:26 PM)Hansel Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 02:19 PM)Mage Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 02:13 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  But that still leaves the massive amount of unnecessary suffering that exists in nature.

This is one of many reasons why God only makes sense is if reincarnation exists and your suffering from natural causes in one life is not a big deal and you get chance to improve your condition in next life as general and personal evolution goes on.

A single lifetime Heaven/Hell God model does look very grim, agreed.

I have never heard the common man can be reincarnated in Christianity, only an eternal life in Heaven. I thought that was a strictly Hindu thing. Will be obliged if you can show me otherwise, you seem to be quite knowledgeable in Christianity.

It is a Pagan thing. Purpose of Abrahamism is to persecute Paganaism and destroy this knowledge, left only for their own Kaballists. They succeed in west, but failed when discovered a whole subcontinent where this knowledge flourishes.
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(06-27-2019 02:12 PM)Mage Wrote:  Another guy who writes "religion" or "faith" but means Christianity only. As if the world would be so small and it would be all there that is.

This is why I think atheism is a Christian phenomenon. Modern atheists are almost all produced by ex-Christian culture.

There are little to no atheists in other faiths. Just secularists.

OP - you are both right and wrong about many things, but the point is if you start thinking about Bible and Christian theology and argue about scripture then you are going down a long desert path and like all Abrahamists you can argue for years and years and become no wiser. This is all these religions do - just fix on their more or less contradictive scripture and argue endlessly

Or you can just sit down in lotos position and meditate and realize that God exists. Took 5 minutes for me. May took 1 minute or an hour or couple of times for you, depending on your sinfulness. But you will feel no need to argue about scriptures any more.

Most of guys here carry too much burden from their past of fornication so they need to go trough the path of repentance first trough Christianity. If you are not a former fornicator or alcoholic or drug user then you will not likely find Christianity useful. If you live in these sins trough then you will probably need to overcome your rationalizations for them first so you will have to spend time arguing about scriptures in a scriptural religion like Christianity or Islam. This is how I have observed karma to work.

Apparently both you and viewers have enough knowledge/interest on other religions to make this thread meaningful. Care to enlighten us on the Tengri faith and why Mongolians have gradually discarded it in the past 100 years?

Jokes aside, I suppose I don't carry a big burden around like some do. I don't do drugs. Neither am I huge on fornication nor alcohol. How did you meditate and found God?
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(06-30-2019 02:40 PM)Mage Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 02:26 PM)Hansel Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 02:19 PM)Mage Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 02:13 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  But that still leaves the massive amount of unnecessary suffering that exists in nature.

This is one of many reasons why God only makes sense is if reincarnation exists and your suffering from natural causes in one life is not a big deal and you get chance to improve your condition in next life as general and personal evolution goes on.

A single lifetime Heaven/Hell God model does look very grim, agreed.

I have never heard the common man can be reincarnated in Christianity, only an eternal life in Heaven. I thought that was a strictly Hindu thing. Will be obliged if you can show me otherwise, you seem to be quite knowledgeable in Christianity.

It is a Pagan thing. Purpose of Abrahamism is to persecute Paganaism and destroy this knowledge, left only for their own Kaballists. They succeed in west, but failed when discovered a whole subcontinent where this knowledge flourishes.

So God doesn't make sense?
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Hansel, life is a test. We all try not to fail it, but the pathway to success is narrow. I don't believe in reincarnation as it negates the concept of judgment of the soul. That would mean that every criminal, homo, pedophile, primitive savage, and every disgusting person ever alive in creation are all on the same spectrum of vessels to be inhabited when one dies and is "reborn."

No, we get one shot at this life, an unfair life by the way, but once you learn that, you stop bitching about it. Know that it doesn't matter how good or bad the Lord made you out to be, how tall or short or fat or bald you are, maybe that matters for getting women, but not for being in God's company. Everything about God and Christ is not of this world, barring mercy and love and kindness that you can show your fellow man, mostly in family.
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(06-30-2019 02:46 PM)Hansel Wrote:  So God doesn't make sense?

I suggest you take a break from thinking about higher dimensions and spend a little time improving your reading comprehension abilities.
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(06-30-2019 02:51 PM)MusicForThePiano Wrote:  I don't believe in reincarnation as it negates the concept of judgment of the soul. That would mean that every criminal, homo, pedophile, primitive savage, and every disgusting person ever alive in creation are all on the same spectrum of vessels to be inhabited when one dies and is "reborn."
So it is a hubris thing for you - you do not want to be ever put in the same category as these horrible "disgusting persons". Even if a person is such because he is a savage who knows no better or a criminal who also probably knows no better because of fatherless household and bad influences. You are better because your parents thought you to play piano maybe while others had no such luxury?

Either we are God's children or we are his creature slaves. If we are his children then we can go trough all the ups and downs from greatest sinner to greatest saint and God never gives up on us, always some small thread is left to turn around. If we are his creature slaves then we must make up our mind quickly, the few of us who are most cultured and polite and play piano the best go to God's bedroom, while the rest are discarded to fire as the stupid useless over produced things. What you choose to believe tells more about yourself, nothing abut God.
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(06-30-2019 03:21 PM)Mage Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 02:46 PM)Hansel Wrote:  So God doesn't make sense?

I suggest you take a break from thinking about higher dimensions and spend a little time improving your reading comprehension abilities.

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(06-30-2019 02:35 PM)Hansel Wrote:  If it is made known in the first place there is an ultimate judgment which punishes people who made the other choice with eternal suffering is there true free will? Or is that coercion?

Gotta fill that collection plate somehow, brah.
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(06-30-2019 02:45 PM)Hansel Wrote:  How did you meditate and found God?

I sat down at lotos pose and started to observe my thoughts instead of identifying with them. I also put more attention to my breathing. I also listened into my body and cured myself from some somatic illnesses with spontaneous asanas. I never had any yoga training before but my body thought me the right asanas itself. I became much more calm, confident and realized that there is guidance program put in human beings guts by higher power. Humans have powerful inner providence/intuition that can grow into foresight, but we are by default distracted by modern lifestyle, sins, desires and fears from realizing that.

In my experience Christian fear of judgement and Hell, the fear of doing something wrong with ultimate consequences, is one of fears that block my ability to experiment spiritually and listen to my guts/intuition, it severs the divine intuition so I consider it death of spiritual life and I spek against the heaven/hell model in these discussions about nature of God.
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(06-30-2019 03:33 PM)Mage Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 02:51 PM)MusicForThePiano Wrote:  I don't believe in reincarnation as it negates the concept of judgment of the soul. That would mean that every criminal, homo, pedophile, primitive savage, and every disgusting person ever alive in creation are all on the same spectrum of vessels to be inhabited when one dies and is "reborn."
So it is a hubris thing for you - you do not want to be ever put in the same category as these horrible "disgusting persons". Even if a person is such because he is a savage who knows no better or a criminal who also probably knows no better because of fatherless household and bad influences. You are better because your parents thought you to play piano maybe while others had no such luxury?

Either we are God's children or we are his creature slaves. If we are his children then we can go trough all the ups and downs from greatest sinner to greatest saint and God never gives up on us, always some small thread is left to turn around. If we are his creature slaves then we must make up our mind quickly, the few of us who are most cultured and polite and play piano the best go to God's bedroom, while the rest are discarded to fire as the stupid useless over produced things. What you choose to believe tells more about yourself, nothing abut God.

I'm beginning to look past the alleged absolutism of Christianity in those aspects. If you go back down the timeline, even before Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc, all men began with God, but those who turned their back on him and walked away damned their posterity. That is why you have cults, voodoo, magic, blood-letting rituals, child sacrifice, and all manner of excrementitious practices that are completely unnatural. I could even say the same of my ancestors, which is why I don't have the same beliefs as most of my family. This world isn't fair. I, by very nature, am a disgusting being who has to prove himself to God, not because of how I was born in this case, but because of my actions in this life.

Had I been born into a pygmy island tribe and still been a man of good character who never ate other humans or murdered them, would I still be granted access to the kingdom? If I had no knowledge of God or Christ, I do not know. I do not think anyone knows these answers, only some can offer opinions. I am of the opinion that there is no recourse after your last breath. The time is now to make choices.

I've often pondered on the sins of the father visited upon the son, and I have wished them to not be true, but just take a look around. Look at all the children being born deformed or diseased. Look at how many men end up just like their father in terms of personality and flaws. Though the sons may inherit the iniquities of their fathers, God still does love all his creations, but love does not mean they are absolved of all responsibility in their lives and are not held accountable for the decisions they make.

Life is still a test. My parents barely had the luxury for me to do anything, and perhaps saw the piano as a way for me to learn something so that I would have some societal value someday, they never looked at it the way I do. I use the piano as a tool to create music that conspires with order, skill, and beauty, completely against the grain of the satanic modern dreg of popular music, nothing more, nothing less. Many are better than me, and there are also many who are not. I could do the same for farming and creating food for people, but I am not good at it. We must stick with what we are good at. Renaissance men and jack of all trades are convenient, but if you can only master one thing better than most then it better be something you enjoy doing and can benefit others with.
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(06-30-2019 02:51 PM)MusicForThePiano Wrote:  I don't believe in reincarnation as it negates the concept of judgment of the soul. That would mean that every criminal, homo, pedophile, primitive savage, and every disgusting person ever alive in creation are all on the same spectrum of vessels to be inhabited when one dies and is "reborn."

Well not necessarily. There is a notion that you are judged. That by making lower level actions in this life lowers your consciousness level for your next one. These savages could be reborn with a mental/physical defect, reborn as a animal/insect, or just as a simple bacteria crawling around. Instead of evolving spiritually, you could become the next animalistic prey. Reincarnation is a bit more complex. It doesn't mean you can just respawn as some video game character ready to take on the world again regardless of your previous actions.

(06-29-2019 09:39 AM)etwsake Wrote:  I don't know who made us, or why. I would never claim to know such things. I see no difference in any of the world's religions, past or present. As far as I can tell, the only reason people cling to them is cause they were indoctrinated as children and can't stand to let go of that safety net.

There is some truth here. I don't mean religion, but there are things they had to indoctrinate us as children because I don't think logical adults would easily fall for it.
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Atheism is illogical and akin to a different religion. Some claim that it's just "proving" that current religions are wrong. But in practice it goes beyond that - they claim that there is absolutely nothing out there, no meaning, no God - 100%.

That is a religion by default since you cannot know that!

The only thing viable and logical is Agnosticism which means - an Agnostic won't sweat it if he wakes up after this liftetime and all of this has a meaning. In fact - most Agnostics are hoping that there is something and thus this mindset is way more optimistic as well as ethical to have for the broad population.

I can bet my left nutsack that even the societies like Czechs or Japanese who are not super-religious - they are more Agnostic than Atheist - they are hopeful and unattached that there is a higher worth and live according to that.

A true Atheist society would be a hellhole of epic proportions.
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