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A Pill That Permanently Erases Fear Of Approaching?
I've been spending the past few months trying to find a way to eliminate my approach anxiety when i go clubbing.

This led me to a drug called Propranolol that apperantly when combined with a process called memory reconsolidation can successfully erase a specific fear.

what do you guys think about this?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/opini...-fear.html

there is even a video series about this process:

part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM3G6kITdYk&t=187s

part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NyrzpzLYAQ&t=1s

part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aes3Wpvw-Gc&t=1s

part 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaGQWqkKjIo&t=1s
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I think you need to do more approaches.

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(06-29-2019 07:50 PM)scorpion Wrote:  I think you need to do more approaches.

I've tried everything to solve this problem.

I've tried drinking alcohol.

I've tried nofap so i would be hornier.

I've tried going out every single day for a month.

Nothing has worked.

I always just end up not talking to any girls 99% of the time.

My situation is desperate which is why I'm willing to try pills/drugs.

I have no choice at this point.
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(06-29-2019 08:03 PM)dreadcom Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 07:50 PM)scorpion Wrote:  I think you need to do more approaches.

I've tried going out every single day for a month.

What were you doing during those days? Just trying to build yourself up to talking to someone but never actually doing it?

You need to get comfortable talking to strangers in general before you try talking to intimidating women.

Go to someone like a security guard, fast food worker or anyone in public service and ask them a question. It's their job to answer you in a civil manor. You have nothing to fear doing that.

Once you are comfortable asking those types of people questions that they have to answer, try asking them questions they don't have to answer. Ask them if the weather is always this good here (even if its not, say it's been raining for 2 weeks where you just came from). If they ask you where you just came from, congratulations, you just learned how to have a conversation.
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I've been on metoprolol for the better part of a month now. It's a beta-blocker like propranolol. I'm using it along with lisinopril to treat what was dangerously high blood pressure. I'd say that since starting the beta-blocker, I'm generally less anxious, but that's also because I don't feel like I'm going to have a stroke every time I stand up, which was causing anxiety, as one might imagine. The treatments you're describing are something I read about just recently - to treat PTSD and such. It is quite specific as far as I know, would be rather expensive I would think (not the propranolol, but the therapy sessions) since I don't think it's an approved treatment in the States. I confess that I haven't the time to read your links right now. These sorts of fears of speaking tend to be of a similar vein to phobias and can be treated with exposure therapies, in other words like others here, such as Sooth above, are suggesting. Find a wingman, maybe? I'd try a few more months before considering taking a medication. Depending upon how young you are, and what your vital signs are, you might no be able to take a beta-blocker in any case.
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(06-29-2019 08:26 PM)Sooth Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 08:03 PM)dreadcom Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 07:50 PM)scorpion Wrote:  I think you need to do more approaches.

I've tried going out every single day for a month.

What were you doing during those days? Just trying to build yourself up to talking to someone but never actually doing it?

You need to get comfortable talking to strangers in general before you try talking to intimidating women.

Go to someone like a security guard, fast food worker or anyone in public service and ask them a question. It's their job to answer you in a civil manor. You have nothing to fear doing that.

Once you are comfortable asking those types of people questions that they have to answer, try asking them questions they don't have to answer. Ask them if the weather is always this good here (even if its not, say it's been raining for 2 weeks where you just came from). If they ask you where you just came from, congratulations, you just learned how to have a conversation.

I've already tried this.

I did the demonic confidence program where you do things like ask people for the time, then ask for directions, then ask hot girls for the time, etc...

I've pretty much tried everything.

wing vs no wing.

daygame or nightgame.

Nothing works.

The only girls I've had relationships with have pretty much been girls who approached me since I'm lucky to at least be above average looking.

I'm desperate to solve this problem.

I'm willing to risk my health and try drugs/pills

I've given this a lot of thought and I'm at peace that this is the correct decision.
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(06-29-2019 09:26 PM)Solitaire Wrote:  I've been on metoprolol for the better part of a month now. It's a beta-blocker like propranolol. I'm using it along with lisinopril to treat what was dangerously high blood pressure. I'd say that since starting the beta-blocker, I'm generally less anxious, but that's also because I don't feel like I'm going to have a stroke every time I stand up, which was causing anxiety, as one might imagine. The treatments you're describing are something I read about just recently - to treat PTSD and such. It is quite specific as far as I know, would be rather expensive I would think (not the propranolol, but the therapy sessions) since I don't think it's an approved treatment in the States. I confess that I haven't the time to read your links right now. These sorts of fears of speaking tend to be of a similar vein to phobias and can be treated with exposure therapies, in other words like others here, such as Sooth above, are suggesting. Find a wingman, maybe? I'd try a few more months before considering taking a medication. Depending upon how young you are, and what your vital signs are, you might no be able to take a beta-blocker in any case.

I'm currently experimenting with propranolol in night game.

I've used it 3-4 times so far at a dose of 30g.

I dont think I've done any approaches on the nights I used it but I noticed more eye contact and signs of interest from girls on the nights I've used it.

I'm actually going out tonight and I'm thinking of doubling the dose and seeing if using 60g gets me approaching.
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There is no magic pill or magic bullet that will make you better at approaching. You get better at talking to girls by talking to a lot of girls.

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First find sources of artificial dopamine in your life and kill them off one by one. Masturbating to porn is one of them, but not the only one. Video games, Netflix, YouTube, Instagram, hunting for likes on social networks are sources as well. Get rid of them, so your brain rewards actual achievements in the real world instead of artificial ones online:

1. Reduce screen time and escapism
2. Exercise daily, do cold showers
3. Eat healthy.
4. Socialize at least weekly with people you know and like (not for dating)

The only way to get confident with approaching people is to regularly leave your comfort zone by trying new and frightening things. It doesn't have to be approaching women, anything which is actually a challenge causing discomfort is viable. One example for this is going on stage on a regular basis.

Once you are comfortable with being uncomfortable, your social anxieties will fade.
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Approach anxiety never goes away, you just learn how to manage it. It's not worth taking risky drugs over.

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pretty much everyone who has commented so far is basically trying to derail this thread by making unrelated suggestions i did not ask for.

does anyone have any thoughts on Propranolol, memory reconsolidation and the links i posted in the first post?
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RE: A Pill That Permanently Erases Fear Of Approaching?
Propranolol CAN help a little bit, but only because you don't tend to get the fast heartbeat/sweaty hands etc which your brain associates with nerves, but you will still be mentally anxious, so it's not effective for AA for most people, I think

In practical terms (not that i'm advocating drugs, but you did ask) I think you'd be looking at things like xanax. Even things like GHB. Something to take away all inhibitions, basically. Problem is that you can't drink on them sorts of drugs, so for somoene like me who likes to game at night when he's out having a beer with his friends it's less than ideal!
Finally MDMA. Anxious autists have turned into social God's on this drug lol. Problem is that you can't take it very often at all.

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(06-30-2019 05:52 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  Propranolol CAN help a little bit, but only because you don't tend to get the fast heartbeat/sweaty hands etc which your brain associates with nerves, but you will still be mentally anxious, so it's not effective for AA for most people, I think

In practical terms (not that i'm advocating drugs, but you did ask) I think you'd be looking at things like xanax. Even things like GHB. Something to take away all inhibitions, basically. Problem is that you can't drink on them sorts of drugs, so for somoene like me who likes to game at night when he's out having a beer with his friends it's less than ideal!
Finally MDMA. Anxious autists have turned into social God's on this drug lol. Problem is that you can't take it very often at all.

thank you for the info.

I went out with 60g of propranolol tonight and did not talk to any girls so I'm very close to giving up on this pill.

I'm going to start researching GHB and xanax

I got propranolol by telling the doctor i needed it for anxiety when public speaking at work.

what would i need to tell a doctor to get xanax and/or GHB?

what are these drugs usually prescribed for?

At this time I will not look into MDMA as I'd like to stick to legal drugs for now
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RE: A Pill That Permanently Erases Fear Of Approaching?
What I did starting daygame was take out 2,000 euros in cash, set a target of x approaches for the day, and hand the cash to my wingman/best mate. Either he witnessed me do x approaches or he kept the money. Modify the amount of cash so that it stings if you lose it.

The first few hundred approaches are like pulling teeth - as somebody who used to be extremely shy, socially anxious, low self esteem - the whole nine yards, they were some of the most stressful days of my life. A few short years later you could graph my heartrate in a daygame session and for the most part it'll look like someone going about their day normally... all you need is that initial leverage to claw your way to a place where approaching is more comfortable.

Quite frankly wrecking yourself with drugs, legal or not, just to fix a social issue is beyond retarded. Continue on this search and you're going to end up down a dark path that you may not return from. Drug addicts (for the most part) became addicts because they were escaping from something...

Get some leverage, pick up your balls and step the fuck up.
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I think it s best your remain shy than destroy your brain and body with pills....
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A little approach anxiety is cool, it makes it exciting and something to go for. It's the same with those who perform in public or fight on stage. Once you no longer have some butterflies, it's time to pack it in. A big part of growing your game and having control is acknowledging and accepting the fact that you're a bit nervous. They are essential blocks to overcome. I think it's important to create a schedule and document your results.

Start with three approaches a day. You can start light, just sparking up normal conversations. Don't make them sexual yet. You MUST do the three approaches though. If she doesn't engage you in conversation (either she's too busy or really doesn't want to converse with you), speak to another lizard until you get a successful conversation. Ensure that you have completed three for the day, EVERY day.
After a month, continue with the same three approaches a day but this time make them with romantic intent. Eg: "Hi, how are you doing, my name is Dreadcom, what's your name?" Build some rapport and then ask her if she would like to get a drink, a bite, come to your place etc".
Successful or not, continue to document your results and keep it up.
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Every red-blooded male has some approach anxiety. This isn't a unique issue and there's no magic pill- just approach.
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I was given propranolol for anxiety and it doesn't do much if anything and I'm not willing to chase a result by going high in the dosage. As subterfuge stated and you seem to have concurred, all it will do is lower physical symptoms. Flush face, heightened heartrate/bloodpressure, etc. The physical manifestations of fight or flight. This helps some people because without the physical symptoms for their brain to latch on to they might not go into mental anxiety mode.

I agree that you shouldn't be chasing a magic pill because it doesn't exist and side effects can be a bitch. I was recently prescribed adderall for ADD and while my anxiety as dropped since I can think slower and block out all the noise, I still have to work just as hard.

For myself and it sounds like you, the anxiety is purely mental so even if you're calm and collected you still fear the action necessary for your desired outcome. Zoom is absolutely right. I remember something Mystery and Style said back in the day when it came to approach anxiety. No matter how much you get over it and how successful your previous night out was, as soon as you wake up it resets and you have to fight it again.

As many have said it's all about non-stop sets and unfortunately it sounds like you've tried that too. The only help I can offer is go even harder on forcing daily intentional interaction with everyone. Make a comment to X amount of people. Have a 5min+ conversation with someone who you don't know well.

I have to be on the other side of town for an appt once a week and can either sit in traffic or head over early. I've opted to get to the area early since it's across from a mall and just go into any shops that interest me and talk with the hired guns, men or women.

If a pill is your only hope my only suggestion would be to try Phenibut. Some people claim it makes them god like socially, however I've never felt much of it's effects either. You have to be very careful with it since you can become dependent on it and withdrawal I hear is an absolute bitch. Once or maybe twice a week max you have to hold yourself to.

It's also very finicky. Taking on an empty stomach, hours until activation and titrating from 500mg until you find the correct dose. It wont make you want to be social, you likely won't notice it doing anything until you're already socializing but it might be worth a shot. Check out http://www.reddit.com/r/phenibut and do your homework first.
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Fast forward 6 months, OP is going to be starting threads like "how can I quit my proproanolol addiction?" and "How can I get over my approach anxiety."

Approach anxiety never goes away. You just have to approach and deal with it.
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It’s also easier to manage when you realize most people are walking around in a bored trance, and you’re making their day better by engaging them in fun and playful conversation. Paradigm shifts always beat crutches.

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Propanalol is brilliant for public speaking.
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If you’ve honestly tried to overcome your anxiety for months with no purchase, that sounds like some deep-seated trauma. How long have you had this anxiety? When did it start to set in? Have you tried various therapies with professionals? A loaded term, I know.
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RE: A Pill That Permanently Erases Fear Of Approaching?
Pills for approaching. A bad idea. If anything, alcohol, one drink maximum alleviates approaching anxiety. No more! The bottom line anything other than night game you should never rely on anything to do approaches. They are hard and always will be hard-- if any man tells you otherwise he is lying to protect his ego. They do get easier though but that feeling is always there that it's a bit unnatural, a bit uncomfortable.

As others have said the key to reducing approach society is to socialize more, to talk to random strangers more, and approach more. You should be working on this daily. Social skills take time. I have friends that are considered gamers, Night gamers, who for the life of me cannot even do one day game approach. I hear their excuses. I don't want to do approaches or, I feel uncomfortable doing approaches. So they never do them. They will however due process when they are drinking. Big surprise not really. To get back to my original point do not rely on substances to help you approach. Go to the gym, dress better, socialize more, and gain some confidence in yourself and then dedicate your self daily socially to improving yourself, including talking to strangers, Women, and doing approaches.
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(06-30-2019 05:30 AM)dreadcom Wrote:  pretty much everyone who has commented so far is basically trying to derail this thread by making unrelated suggestions i did not ask for.

30 years ago before Propranolol existed. what would you have done? Rather than looking for crutches and Band-Aids (which either have long term side effects or are expensive) you should be looking for efforht based solutions that initially take more work but get easier once you are adapted.

The first question I would ask is what are you doing for a living? The first 8 hours of your day will effect the next 8.

Sitting in a chair? (Office Workers/Students) Your going to have to work out 7 days a week atleast 1-2 hours a day.

Standing In Place all day? This is slightly better than the desk job fools, and you can get away with working out every other day.

The ideal job has you doing plenty of walking, lifting and carrying. Notice how blue collar laborers even though they don't make a lot of money do a lot better with Women than guys with College Degrees and actual careers? Hell, if you don't have a police record and are in a position where you can work 2 months unpaid while you get certifications/training you can make more money Blue Collar than White Collar.

Imcreasing your Testosterone and HGH levels will do WAY more for approach anxiety than Propranolol or any other anti-depressant, barbiturate or stimulant will.

In order for people to give good specific advice you're going to have to provide way more information than you're giving (you only have typed about 15 paragraphs so, mostly incessant whining)

You mentioned you did NoFap as well as a 30 day approach challenge, but I am willing to bet you didn't do all these things simultaneously. A common pattern with these "end of the road" posts is that the person tries one method, abandons it after seeing no results, then substitutes it with something else repeating the cycle over and over.
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^ I agree with increasing testosterone and HGH levels. Been on NoFap for almost a month now and also took testosterone boosters for 1 week, I have to resist chatting up girls on my way to work. But I'm also doing sales and have been for years, with some experience cold approaching.

Do what CincinnatiKid says, NoFap with the 30 day approach challenge. Ideally while lifting heavy and studying Stoic philosophy. A really good book is "A Guide To The Good Life" by William Irvine.

You'll get your hormones, body, and mind in top shape.
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