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Extremely Private Gated Community
Picture a Gated community consisting of either tall residential skyscrapers or hundreds of modern homes where all your neighbours were decent people who shared your values.

In today's modern world its becoming impossibly hard to surround yourself with like minded people and isolate yourself from the disgusting world that engulfs us.

My father is a wealthy land developer and architect. I pitched him on the idea of building a community for our kind of people.

There would be a different range of homes that would vary by size and finishes, etc. But within the community we would have everything we needed, school for our children included. We could even have a medical ward and grocery stores, restaurants.

We could do it somewhere with cheap cost of living, close enough to a city but far enough where we won't be disturbed.

Admissions would be through rigorous screening of any compromising posts and a psych evaluation to ensure everyone's values are congruent.

This might sound far fetched but it's not, I've heard some Mormons and orthodox jews have similar communities, obviously not as closed as this would be. Prices would be the same as a home elsewhere and you get the peace of mind knowing you can actually count on your neighbours.

Really interested to know what you guys think about the idea. If enough of you are interested my dad's company could build it. Ideas for the project are very welcome.
07-10-2019 02:50 AM
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(07-10-2019 02:50 AM)Balls_Hang_Low Wrote:  ...
Admissions would be through rigorous screening of any compromising posts and a psych evaluation to ensure everyone's values are congruent.
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Well you have zero reps and the user name "balls hang low" so I'm going to be very interested to hear what you believe the correct values are for this community.

Lay them out.

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07-10-2019 03:09 AM
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RE: Extremely Private Gated Community
Doesn't this happen in practice in South Africa in practice among Afrikaners? Also in US among WASPs, especially those that live in country club communities? One place reminds of it's exclusivity, ski resort yellowstone club in Wyoming, tenents including Bill Gates, source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Club .

In urban areas, yes I think you're generally right that it's getting harder and harder to segregate based on common background or income, in the case of NYC, you have poor people living in rich people buildings because of housing laws there, where they have to provide x number of subsidized units in each building to get planning permission. In more rural and suburban areas you find almost the exact same population dynamic, homogeneity as you would find in 50's America, or even current-day American Midwest.

So, what is the selling point? Or what is the lifestyle goal of the community? Is it a planned community?

Would it be incorporated, or unincorporated?

Here's the part that I'm not understanding exactly
Quote: Admissions would be through rigorous screening of any compromising posts and a psych evaluation to ensure everyone's values are congruent.
No felons? Hand over your social media? Psych evaluation? Is this a community of defense contractors or something? There's an ideological litmus test? That almost sounds like an intentional community. Although at country clubs and other exclusive communities all sorts of nebulous criteria are used to evaluate people.

Mormons just live together, or if they don't just spend a lot of their time with people in their church. As far as Orthodox Jews it's far more strict. In general, like NYC for example, they live in public communities (some in Jersey functional don't), have public streets, some go to public schools that are majority Jewish, and pay taxes. But you will find vice squads that take a quasi-official role and are effectively religous police like you would encounter in Saudi Arabia. They are know to harass female bikers that go through their communities. To end this problem, the annoyed city officials until the bike-lanes were removed from their entire neighborhood (Williamsburg, Brooklyn I think).

Additionally some of the Orthodox police technology use among their community (internet, tv, phones), and prohibit consumption of secular mass media. Going so far as fighting back against ads that have women in them. Everyone in the community is also forced to use religious courts. There is also a huge coerced divorce industry because sometimes people want to get divorced, and the appropriate person has to give consent-- there's some literal arm twisting or face punching involved. I am only describing the surface level of the intensity of some of the devout orthodox communities. Make no mistake, teh reason that makes these communities so cohesive is their devout religiousness. Devout to the point that they have clear in-group preference and even self-segregate in what you could call ghettos, in the sense that there is little to no cultural osmosis between their enclaves and the outside world.

to add: people are pretty quick to self-segregate in specific communities based on political beliefs, income, education, and race... Examples: berkeley, CA; New Albany, Ohio; Highland Park, Texas; large portions of the greater NYC area, in particular commuter towns in Jersey, the whole state of CT, DC suburbs including Loudoun, Fairfax, Howard and Arlington counties, etc
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07-10-2019 03:15 AM
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While it sounds good on paper, reality is that there is always someone for whatever reason (in particular left-indoctrinated people) who have this need to move to a certain area to annoy people who live in there. There is also almost no legal way to get rid off them.
07-10-2019 03:17 AM
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Going into posting history and putting all values up - that will result in a disaster either way. At best you could create a gated community that has a gun-range on it and you call it - GUN RANGE GATED COMMUNITY. That way you attract a solid number of people who are united at least on that front - most of them will be more Red Pill or Republican, but gun-loving Democrats - who cares if they come, they are likely the saner ones. I wouldn't go into any Orwellian stuff - keep it as simple as possible.
07-11-2019 06:07 AM
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RE: Extremely Private Gated Community
Quote:In urban areas, yes I think you're generally right that it's getting harder and harder to segregate based on common background or income, in the case of NYC, you have poor people living in rich people buildings because of housing laws there, where they have to provide x number of subsidized units in each building to get planning permission.

Actually I don't agree with you on your reference to NYC. Have you ever been to NYC? The rich here aren't flashy and wealth/income is usually not the dividing factor. Billionaires take the subway for crissakes.

In NYC ethnicity is what separates everyone and people live in ethnic ghetto's. That has been the way it has always been and that is how it continues to be. People choose to live with those ethnically similar because of community and local businesses that cater to their sub group. Take Brighton Beach.... very Russian area. First settlers were lower income. Now there are millionaires moving into new condo's there. Even gentrified area cater to sub groups. Example would be hipsters in Williams burg.

Also those subsidized units aren't going to the poor. You still need to be middle class by US standards to live there. They aren't projects. Nor section 8.

Rent stabilization caters to every one. I am wealthy (not by NY standards lol) and I have a rent stabilized apt. Income has nothing to do with it. NYers like a good deal and "owning" a rent stabilized apt is a shining example of a good deal.
07-11-2019 07:45 AM
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Generally, the people who fuel these ideas have good intentions, but they do not understand that directing a community of libertarians is like herding cats. In a community of libertarians, every man believes that he is a king.

The only way that such a community will work is where everyone is absolutely willing to submit to a group of elders who will handle all disputes. This is why the only truly successful groups that splinter from mainstream society are very conservative religious-based groups (e.g., Amish, Mennonites, Orthodox Jews, etc.) where the members are willing to unconditionally submit to a group of male elders. Good luck maintaining order with anything else. If you are serious about such a project, you must work out this aspect of the community first. Otherwise, you just invite failure.

Google "Galt's Gulch Chile" for a look at the horrifying results of the last libertarian paradise.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bn53b...922-v21n10

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Galt%27s_Gulch_Chile
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07-14-2019 12:10 AM
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RE: Extremely Private Gated Community
The easiest way to achieve the desired result in this day and age is to simply start a gated community and lay out rules in a HOA pertaining to boring stuff like neat yards, no vehicles left in driveway, no noise above (x) decibels or (y) decibels after dark, no visible branding or political activism/advocacy displayed, etc etc.

This would keep most degenerates out from the onset. Ironically most people here would not want to live under these conditions. One guy would want to play his music loud after dark and another would want to have multiple cars (some not running "yet") that required him to leave several in the driveway and before you know it the neighborhood becomes the dysfunctional shithole it was designed to avoid, hence my immediate question of "what values are we talking about here?"

Rare stable communities of bachelors are a bygone product of the stable, nuclear families that produced those bachelors. Stable nuclear families which are now incredibly rare. And stable bachelors generally tend to marry out of those groups fairly quickly leading to massive attrition in those communities. Trying to make a community out of unstable bachelors or a mix?

Well it would make for a good 80's sitcom.

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07-14-2019 12:38 AM
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New England is an interesting study in contrasts as compared to the legendary South Florida Gated Communities not too dissimilar from Brazilian Gated Suburbs. Brazil is the way I see South Florida Progressing - Brazilian Gated Communities have massive 16 to 20 foot walls with another 10 foot chain link fence on the top with Razor Wire arced outwards to keep out the illegal gun toting gangs with seriously armed security in the Communities with homes for their security staff so their families do not have to deal with the refuse of the Favellas and the rampant crime and murder OUTSIDE the high secured walls and fences.

I would visit Brazil and Study how these walled, secured and gated communities really work as I have long maintained that these communities present a business success model for the USA. Most of these communities are based upon middle-class business and tech families that want to know their families are safe at night and their kids and wives will not be kidnapped, raped, robbed and murdered on their short drive to School.

New England is a Study in Socio-Economic Contrasts - downtown with a secured new Condo Building on Boston Harbor, the Seaport District, Fenway or Boston Garden/North End and Ink Block secured condo districts - where the discrimination is economic - can you afford a 1200 square foot condo with a limited view for $2 Million USD or with a great view for $4 Million USD.

New Hampshire is still over 95% White with no state sales or income taxes and has become a major magnet for Tech and Financial and EU companies looking to do business in the USA in a safe and low taxed state without a massive welfare class or sanctuary state magnet for Low IQ unskilled Latin Americans or African immigrants. Whereas Massachusetts is a very liberal sanctuary state with a massive illegal immigrants problem with a full suite of welfare benefits - yet Boston is one of the richest cities in North America with a highly diversified economy fueled by 300,000+ Uni students from around the globe and the original Venture Capital Investments going back to Alexander Graham Bell and the Bell Telephones Empire. I have dated a hot sexy Latina Harvard Med School grad who was fond of saying "we are not racists, we are not sexists, we are not gender biased however we are CLASSISTS" ... Class is determined by your university degree, use of common vulgarity or vulgar lifestyles and your income and wealth - trust fund babies being the old money pinnacles of the lot.

Massachusetts also has a type of very old money nominee or real estate trust where the trust nominee (Legal Clerks) may only do as the beneficiaries nominate them to do. This is how oceanfront mansions, farms, and estates are passed down from generation to generation as the nominee trusts are a continuous legal entity and as one generation passes away the next generation are added to the line of beneficiaries succession keeping the trust's properties largely out of probate... Caroline Kennedy has a $65 Million 340 acres "farm" up for sale on Martha's Vineyard Massachusetts that her mother Jackie bought and redesigned in 1979 and added on to over the years for family only on economically and class protected Martha's Vineyard only accessible by rather costly large Ferry Boats.

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/06/27/j...-for-sale/

This ticks all the secure community boxes - an exclusive island of Democrat limousine liberals - RICH and no welfare riff raffs on the island - they import Irish and Polish uni students to work at the markets, stores, and restaurants during the summer peak tourism season. No massive Hotels or Resorts allowed by a restrictive Historical Districts building and zoning codes. The Ultimate example of economic classism.

North of Boston and along the New Hampshire Coast and a bit inland near Derryfield fair are a number of horse communities Ranging from the Myopia Hunt and Polo Club in Hamilton Mass to both Currier and Ives style walkers/trotters inland in New Hampshire to huge Draft Horses and Draft Oxen competitions as well as traditional Champion Poultry and Livestock Breeders still able to survive in 4H style communities across Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire... Of course, the Obamunists attempted to flood Vermont, Maine, and New Hampshire cities with third-worlders with less than stellar results. Crazy stories abound of immigrants roasting pigs in bathtubs only to find the tubs were not cast iron but fiberglass and the entire old post-civil war era multi-family buildings burnt to the ground - this Obamunists influx of barely literate African, Islamist and Latin American immigrants incapable of surviving in an accelerating tech-based economy thereby contributed to bloated welfare roles and to even more white flight to the enchanted suburbs one to two hours North of Boston with Boston financial and tech firms building huge facilities in the safe suburbs with great schools to attract and keep family-oriented workers and middle managers.

Northern New England is also a climate that is swept by frigid Arctic Air in the winters which are not conducive to homeless tent cities and many of the warm climate gimmegrants eventually make their way to warmer parts of the USA like Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, etc.

I also remember a number of high walled gated communities in the rural areas on the way to Domodedovo Airport on biz trips to Moscow with actual solid steel bullet resistant gates to keep the modern Mongol Hordes and corrupt mafiya and politicians out.

The conclusion is gated communities that discriminate on the economic basis of Class will be a thriving growth industry as the Demographics favor the third world low IQ immigrants - eventual voters favored by the Democrat Socialists and Communist Parties of the USA in both the near and longer term futures as the existing white European populations are continually marginalized and the gimmegrants cannot survive without the many DSA/CPUSA social welfare programs.


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07-14-2019 09:20 AM
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< Exactly - the main communities that will exist are either religious or economic. Brazil is what the US, Canada and other Western countries will turn out to be - maybe in some areas it will resemble South Africa.

You can forget the unification on libertarian, liberal or right-leaning agendas. Your armed gated community neighbor may be a liberal, but chances are that he is a well-off somewhat sane liberal closer to Seth MacFarlane.

Deepdiver is absolutely correct that if you want to start a business, then you adjust the Brazilian model to the US, plan ahead to make the place potentially more fortifiable when the times get tougher and you need to add a defensive perimeter and a guard tower around it.

In most of Europe all those things were not necessary similar as in the US. The better areas were just so expensive, that they priced the riffraff out. Though in some areas I remember buildings that had a Rolls Royce coming out being very close to very humble social security recipients. It did not make the area too unsafe. But that was before the more violent low-IQ replacement population coming in.

Only in Italy I remember visiting a buddy some 25 years ago. The entry to the Southern Italian gated community was even shielded, so it was not apparent to most people that well-off people lived there. That was due to the local mafia. In countries like Germany it hardly mattered that the neighbor was driving a Ferrari while you are behind a Fiat Punto.

Either way - OP - the gated community boom is yet to appear in earnest. Forget about selecting the people based on Facebook activity. Make it well-defended by armed security guards and that will scare away most progressives anyway.
07-14-2019 10:36 AM
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(07-14-2019 10:36 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Make it well-defended by armed security guards and that will scare away most progressives anyway.

Actually, liberals have a deep desire to keep firearms away from everyone -- except for the military, police, security guards, and personal body guards.

Indeed, the liberals shall one day learn that such restrictions will one day lead to their own socialist utopia.

   
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If neighbor were good, there would be a line of paint to divide the grounds and not walls!
07-16-2019 03:53 PM
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The Amish seem to have this down pat.
07-17-2019 04:10 AM
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