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(07-23-2019 11:14 AM)Graft Wrote:  It's the type of shit that pisses us off, but me and her have an honest relationship where we can talk unfiltered about these things. It's totally possible that women understand their timeline of attractiveness, but choose to utilize it in different ways.

You are correct. They are aware on some level on what they can get away with, until they about 35 and reality kicks in.

These girls got the backing of the family, government, court system, and the white knights. With a security crew like that, of course she going to act wild. Its in her nature. Back then the churches, religion, and actual men kept them in check.

They also know a cuck is likely going to marry them anyway just for a chance to sleep with her. Although the marriage rate is going down so on some level guys are waking up to this scam.

They also got apps and social media that give them a false sense of an endless supply of quality men.

The sad thing is its going to get a lot worse before the Sun comes up.
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(07-23-2019 11:14 AM)Graft Wrote:  
(07-23-2019 10:24 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(07-23-2019 10:17 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  If you think of it in reverse, it's even funnier --- "Oh, you mean the equivalent of a woman not interested in a charismatic, fit, rich guy who is a lot of fun"? Yeah, I'm sure guys are looking for women just like that --- they want to get lucky with some hottie that doesn't want a man with attractive characteristics. LOL

Talk about self condemnation, that's amazing.

That would require that they actually try to understand what really attracts a man.

Just to add a personal anecdote to another side of the story. I was hanging out with one of my plates recently.

She's 26 or 27, was probably a hard 8 at one point but is more of a 7 at this point. She comes from a very middle class background, but is fairly red pill and savvy in inserting herself with higher class, wealthier men. She describes her theory on women's youth as this:

"It's really such a waste of a woman's youth to have a boyfriend. Her late teens and early twenties should be spent with the world at her feet, getting insane private jet offers from dozens of rich men. What a waste it would be to have a boyfriend during the prime of your life, a time where you should be using your beauty for all it's worth."

I thought about posting it on the "most scandalous things you've ever heard a woman say," but I didn't think it would make the cut.

It's the type of shit that pisses us off, but me and her have an honest relationship where we can talk unfiltered about these things. It's totally possible that women understand their timeline of attractiveness, but choose to utilize it in different ways.

It's these kind of admissions that happen every so often that validate to me that the only sane solution in life is to build a life where you have leverage/control over as many things/factors as possible.

It's also these kinds of admissions, specifically from females, that make me think I have to at least consider (and accept) the possibility a long term future without a traditional LTR or family.

But, to be honest, there are a lot of men with warped long term thinking out there too.

Control what you can control, put in effort in the areas of life that seem important, try to do some good here and there, and let the cards fall where they may.
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I agree with the sentiment that there are an epidemic of childless unmarried woman, but usually these are the feminist hag types who not even a drunk gangbanger would knock up. There are other ones too, good looking and not, but still, one variable shadows this demographic, the epidemic of single-motherhood.

I don't know about you all but it seems like everywhere I go there are single moms. Country concerts, pub crawls, club nights, hot dog stands. Even in major cities, let alone nowhere towns. Everything feels tarnished now, like a permanently stained stench trailing these creatures around wherever they go. "Oh by the way I have a kid, he's half [insert swarthy race here]" "My child is half xxxxxxx of course I hate trump!" "I'm only out this night because its the only night I could get someone to watch my [insert number of brats here]. Rain check please. I only pity the poor abominations these women push out because they have no choice to be brought into this world and I can almost predict what future awaits them.

Traitors, all of them, to their family, their kin, their country, to God, and to themselves. That goes for the choosy-pretentious single mums and the unmarried, childless, dried-up watering holes.
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(07-23-2019 11:14 AM)Graft Wrote:  "It's really such a waste of a woman's youth to have a boyfriend. Her late teens and early twenties should be spent with the world at her feet, getting insane private jet offers from dozens of rich men. What a waste it would be to have a boyfriend during the prime of your life, a time where you should be using your beauty for all it's worth."


There's a broader lessen:

Understanding the difference between a "commodity" to be spent (squandered) and an "asset" to be leveraged (invested) is a fundamental difference between winning and losing at life

(07-23-2019 11:55 AM)GT777733 Wrote:  It's also these kinds of admissions, specifically from females, that make me think I have to at least consider (and accept) the possibility a long term future without a traditional LTR or family.

Dont let the anecdotes overwhelm your whole world view. There are still plenty of good women out there. Especially if you only need one.

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(07-23-2019 10:16 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(07-23-2019 12:48 AM)Swordfish1010 Wrote:  
(07-22-2019 06:23 PM)Graft Wrote:  
(07-22-2019 02:02 PM)SilentOne Wrote:  School is teaching them on how to be a man. They refuse to cook or don't even know how anymore. They can't clean or do laundry for you because that's slave work. They attain this large amount of school debt for the future husband to help payoff. Don't know how to grow a garden of food and just rely on Walmart. They obey their teacher/boss masters more than their significant other who is actually supporting them. I mean the list just goes on and on.

One horrible consequence of an abnormal gender narrative pushed in society is utter gender confusion amongst younger people. Women seem to be unclear about the value that they realistically bring to the table for a man. It seems like they think that their SMV peak is as a sassy, independent, overworked 31 year old who "found herself" as if they had equivalent attraction triggers to a man.

I was speaking to an attractive (but casual about her dating life) 27 year old who had brought up the topic of age and that I was young for being a male. Somehow the topic of men dating 21-22 year olds came up and she mentioned that her hope was to find a man who wasn't attracted to women of that age. When I mentioned that it didn't make evolutionary sense for a man to not be attracted to women of that age it was like her fucking brain had a mini-aneurism. She ended the conversation right there because it was too much for her to handle that she was slowly being replaced on the sexual hierarchy by younger women.

We can debate all day how women are making poor choices for themselves by squandering their youth but a general rule of thumb is that for every woman poorly affected by the dating market, ten men are affected just as bad or worse. Every single washed up 35 year old forever single woman is denying her rusty-ass pussy to ten betas who couldn't get laid to save their lives.

She instantly realized she might have messed up by wasting her best years by sleeping with dozens of random Chads on tinder.

The issue tends to hit a nerve with women.

The late great Patrice Oneal said it best

[Image: pussy-ages-like-bread-not-like-wine-on-t...405515.png]

They know it. We as men know it. Its only the current social engineering dogma that denies it

I mentioned the story of how I brought one of my cousins to tears. She got pregnant young to a clear psychopathic Alpha. She knew that he wouldn't be a good father, but couldn't resist the tingle. Then as a single mother she embarked on Alpha- and good-looking-guy hunting in all of her 20s, so when we had the talk and she was in her 30s when I layed out the conventional life-phases of the current empowered woman, she SUDDENLY KNEW! She tried to defend herself and said that she went out to look for a different kind of man recently I just told her - yes - in your early 30s when the majority of your market value is gone - just like all the other feminist women! Then she cried even as I put it out with love and compassion. The truth hurts.

While all women know at some level, the lies are way too enticing and give women such good feeling, that they simply prefer to close their eyes to reality. All the Western media and establishment is stroking that ego, so it's not going to change anytime soon. Don't expect it to change in the next decades in the West.
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(07-22-2019 02:32 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(07-20-2019 06:43 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(07-20-2019 06:28 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Yes the pairing of an older man outside the top 20% with a woman with most of her fertile window in front of her is the great social taboo of the age. Historically this was the most fecund and financially secure of pairings.

I'm currently facing the option myself and I'm afraid of being socially stigmatized just for just considering it (i. e. without even making a move).

Im almost 48 and my GF is a 26 yo stunner. I daily get tremendous pleasure out of the double takes from men and disapproving looks from middle aged women.

In the end I know the men are jealous of me and triggered when forced to reevaluate their own life choices and the women are just terrified by the physical incarnation of their own obsolescence that a young beautiful woman represents

I really care very little about the what others think ...most especially people I dont know, and therefore mean absolutely nothing to me.

Real friends are happy if youre happy

Ha, congratulations for pulling this off. Though I'm not really looking for the jealousy. I'm following the Lord's plan and that plan might include a woman submitting to Him and having the fertility to actually do something useful (for the Lord). The latter naturally limits the age range.
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(07-23-2019 02:22 PM)wwtl Wrote:  
(07-22-2019 02:32 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(07-20-2019 06:43 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(07-20-2019 06:28 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Yes the pairing of an older man outside the top 20% with a woman with most of her fertile window in front of her is the great social taboo of the age. Historically this was the most fecund and financially secure of pairings.

I'm currently facing the option myself and I'm afraid of being socially stigmatized just for just considering it (i. e. without even making a move).

Im almost 48 and my GF is a 26 yo stunner. I daily get tremendous pleasure out of the double takes from men and disapproving looks from middle aged women.

In the end I know the men are jealous of me and triggered when forced to reevaluate their own life choices and the women are just terrified by the physical incarnation of their own obsolescence that a young beautiful woman represents

I really care very little about the what others think ...most especially people I dont know, and therefore mean absolutely nothing to me.

Real friends are happy if youre happy

Ha, congratulations for pulling this off. Though I'm not really looking for the jealousy. I'm following the Lord's plan and that plan might include a woman submitting to Him and having the fertility to actually do something useful (for the Lord). The latter naturally limits the age range.

I wont pretend to know the "Lord's" plan but I do know that I wont live according to what other people think the plan should be.

Generally though if Im pissing other people off with the way Im living my life (positively yet non conforming) it's just confirmation that Im on the right track

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(07-23-2019 03:16 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(07-23-2019 02:22 PM)wwtl Wrote:  
(07-22-2019 02:32 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(07-20-2019 06:43 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(07-20-2019 06:28 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Yes the pairing of an older man outside the top 20% with a woman with most of her fertile window in front of her is the great social taboo of the age. Historically this was the most fecund and financially secure of pairings.

I'm currently facing the option myself and I'm afraid of being socially stigmatized just for just considering it (i. e. without even making a move).

Im almost 48 and my GF is a 26 yo stunner. I daily get tremendous pleasure out of the double takes from men and disapproving looks from middle aged women.

In the end I know the men are jealous of me and triggered when forced to reevaluate their own life choices and the women are just terrified by the physical incarnation of their own obsolescence that a young beautiful woman represents

I really care very little about the what others think ...most especially people I dont know, and therefore mean absolutely nothing to me.

Real friends are happy if youre happy

Ha, congratulations for pulling this off. Though I'm not really looking for the jealousy. I'm following the Lord's plan and that plan might include a woman submitting to Him and having the fertility to actually do something useful (for the Lord). The latter naturally limits the age range.

I wont pretend to know the "Lord's" plan but I do know that I wont live according to what other people think the plan should be.

Generally though if Im pissing other people off with the way Im living my life (positively yet non conforming) it's just confirmation that Im on the right track

When people run around telling you what the Lord's plan for you is, it's most likely not His plan. Because that He tells you yourself. At least when you're filled by the Spirit. If you not have the Spirit yet but it's needed for the plan then you just receive it. This is how I ended up as an instant convert.

I would never pretend to know and understand the Lord's plan in completeness, so I have to interpret "coincidences", signs, instructions and then I can speculate a bit on it.

So that's what I'm doing now coming back to the topic of this thread: Lets assume the Lord working on solving the problem of "social infertility". I mean desperate women in the late 30s pressing out zero to one last minute child clearly isn't the solution. Fornicating college couples in deep debt suddenly starting families isn't really realistic as well. But what if we pair a whole cohort of well settled 40something men with fertile women in their prime and let them go nuts in reproduction in the West?

Ha, there is the social stigma again! But that is just some brainwashing, that can be solved.

How? Living by example. The Bible is full of examples. And the Lord likes His examples extra weird, extra impossible, extra unlikely, extra cumbersome just to prove His point. The birth of Jesus Christ alone is such an example.
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(07-23-2019 10:16 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(07-23-2019 12:48 AM)Swordfish1010 Wrote:  
(07-22-2019 06:23 PM)Graft Wrote:  
(07-22-2019 02:02 PM)SilentOne Wrote:  School is teaching them on how to be a man. They refuse to cook or don't even know how anymore. They can't clean or do laundry for you because that's slave work. They attain this large amount of school debt for the future husband to help payoff. Don't know how to grow a garden of food and just rely on Walmart. They obey their teacher/boss masters more than their significant other who is actually supporting them. I mean the list just goes on and on.

One horrible consequence of an abnormal gender narrative pushed in society is utter gender confusion amongst younger people. Women seem to be unclear about the value that they realistically bring to the table for a man. It seems like they think that their SMV peak is as a sassy, independent, overworked 31 year old who "found herself" as if they had equivalent attraction triggers to a man.

I was speaking to an attractive (but casual about her dating life) 27 year old who had brought up the topic of age and that I was young for being a male. Somehow the topic of men dating 21-22 year olds came up and she mentioned that her hope was to find a man who wasn't attracted to women of that age. When I mentioned that it didn't make evolutionary sense for a man to not be attracted to women of that age it was like her fucking brain had a mini-aneurism. She ended the conversation right there because it was too much for her to handle that she was slowly being replaced on the sexual hierarchy by younger women.

We can debate all day how women are making poor choices for themselves by squandering their youth but a general rule of thumb is that for every woman poorly affected by the dating market, ten men are affected just as bad or worse. Every single washed up 35 year old forever single woman is denying her rusty-ass pussy to ten betas who couldn't get laid to save their lives.

She instantly realized she might have messed up by wasting her best years by sleeping with dozens of random Chads on tinder.

The issue tends to hit a nerve with women.

The late great Patrice Oneal said it best

[Image: pussy-ages-like-bread-not-like-wine-on-t...405515.png]

They know it. We as men know it. Its only the current social engineering dogma that denies it

RIP Patrice. Hilarious and also always on point about women.

They bought into the feminism lie where being a slut is empowering. Biology says otherwise. Society as well, but those conversations moved offline years ago. There is also a major lack of self reflection going on where they don't accept responsibility for their past. Now they are approaching the wall and getting further from their Sex and the City happy ending of marrying some rich perfect guy who was just waiting for them the whole time.
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A larger age-gap could have benefits but is often overlooked by society, as mentioned by other commenters here. I stated in my earlier post that it can be beneficial for women to work (while living at home) in their 'youth', save up some cash to help them get married. The reason is that most younger men wont be financially secure enough to support a family at < 30, so if the girl wants someone the same age it will be more difficult, but can help if she has some cash of her own. The man should invest more for his later earnings, either spend more on education, or use the time to build up skills to allow himself to earn more over time. So women should try to get their earning done earlier, and men can take risks in their earlier career to position them better later on.

It's strange how common a larger age-gap used to be in the days when things were tougher. You can see it in older movies, especially Westerns. I remember reading a famous book, Gone With The Wind, when I was a teen, it was quite red-pilling. The main 'hero' Rhett Butler, is 35 and the love interest Scarlett, is only 16 when they meet. The book was written by a woman and Rhett comes across as real women's fantasy. Weird how such a pairing cannot even be seen as 'romantic' in the modern world
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(07-23-2019 12:38 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(07-23-2019 11:14 AM)Graft Wrote:  "It's really such a waste of a woman's youth to have a boyfriend. Her late teens and early twenties should be spent with the world at her feet, getting insane private jet offers from dozens of rich men. What a waste it would be to have a boyfriend during the prime of your life, a time where you should be using your beauty for all it's worth."


There's a broader lessen:

Understanding the difference between a "commodity" to be spent (squandered) and an "asset" to be leveraged (invested) is a fundamental difference between winning and losing at life

(07-23-2019 11:55 AM)GT777733 Wrote:  It's also these kinds of admissions, specifically from females, that make me think I have to at least consider (and accept) the possibility a long term future without a traditional LTR or family.

Dont let the anecdotes overwhelm your whole world view. There are still plenty of good women out there. Especially if you only need one.

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In economics we call this time preference. The current mainstream society has an overwhelmingly high time preference, where they think only in the short term and immediate gratification. People with low time preference would rather give up definite gratification in the short term for the potential of long term success. If hot girls understood basic economics and biology, they would be leveraging their fertility to secure the highest value man they could lock down for a family, and understand that the clock is ticking. Stanford did a study about this called the marshmallow test, and they took a group of kids and told them that they could have 1 marshmallow right now, or wait a day and then get 2 marshmallows. The kids that chose the immediate gratification were basically unsuccessful at everything important in life, and the 2 marshmallow kids had high SAT scores, built businesses, etc. The root cause of this is the easy, unsound money being printed up by the truck load, but that is another thread.
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(07-23-2019 11:55 AM)GT777733 Wrote:  It's these kind of admissions that happen every so often that validate to me that the only sane solution in life is to build a life where you have leverage/control over as many things/factors as possible.

It's also these kinds of admissions, specifically from females, that make me think I have to at least consider (and accept) the possibility a long term future without a traditional LTR or family.

But, to be honest, there are a lot of men with warped long term thinking out there too.

Control what you can control, put in effort in the areas of life that seem important, try to do some good here and there, and let the cards fall where they may.

In terms of a traditional LTR or family, I'm pretty much taking my last gulps of air as my muscles weaken and prepare to drown. I'm doing well pulling wise (20-25 girls a year for last 2 years) but I don't think I'll be able to pull much younger women for much longer.

I'm sure things change once we're all in our thirties, but who really wants those broads anyway. I'm fully aware of "the scam" at this point and I'll never fall for it.

To put it in perspective, we should all be happy that we live in a wealthy, knowledge based economy. Once we shift a few cards we have the entire globe of women to play from. If I have six figures in the bank, I don't need to deal with bitchy 28 year old feminists that think they're "young and vibrant."

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RE: Social Infertility - Epidemic of Childless Unmarried Woman
(07-23-2019 10:08 PM)Graft Wrote:  
(07-23-2019 11:55 AM)GT777733 Wrote:  It's these kind of admissions that happen every so often that validate to me that the only sane solution in life is to build a life where you have leverage/control over as many things/factors as possible.

It's also these kinds of admissions, specifically from females, that make me think I have to at least consider (and accept) the possibility a long term future without a traditional LTR or family.

But, to be honest, there are a lot of men with warped long term thinking out there too.

Control what you can control, put in effort in the areas of life that seem important, try to do some good here and there, and let the cards fall where they may.

In terms of a traditional LTR or family, I'm pretty much taking my last gulps of air as my muscles weaken and prepare to drown. I'm doing well pulling wise (20-25 girls a year for last 2 years) but I don't think I'll be able to pull much younger women for much longer.

I'm sure things change once we're all in our thirties, but who really wants those broads anyway. I'm fully aware of "the scam" at this point and I'll never fall for it.

To put it in perspective, we should all be happy that we live in a wealthy, knowledge based economy. Once we shift a few cards we have the entire globe of women to play from. If I have six figures in the bank, I don't need to deal with bitchy 28 year old feminists that think they're "young and vibrant."

I don't understand, how old are you? 30s isn't nearly old enough to give up on casual relationships unless you've taken no care of yourself..?
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(07-23-2019 10:08 PM)Graft Wrote:  
(07-23-2019 11:55 AM)GT777733 Wrote:  It's these kind of admissions that happen every so often that validate to me that the only sane solution in life is to build a life where you have leverage/control over as many things/factors as possible.

It's also these kinds of admissions, specifically from females, that make me think I have to at least consider (and accept) the possibility a long term future without a traditional LTR or family.

But, to be honest, there are a lot of men with warped long term thinking out there too.

Control what you can control, put in effort in the areas of life that seem important, try to do some good here and there, and let the cards fall where they may.

In terms of a traditional LTR or family, I'm pretty much taking my last gulps of air as my muscles weaken and prepare to drown. I'm doing well pulling wise (20-25 girls a year for last 2 years) but I don't think I'll be able to pull much younger women for much longer.

I'm sure things change once we're all in our thirties, but who really wants those broads anyway. I'm fully aware of "the scam" at this point and I'll never fall for it.

To put it in perspective, we should all be happy that we live in a wealthy, knowledge based economy. Once we shift a few cards we have the entire globe of women to play from. If I have six figures in the bank, I don't need to deal with bitchy 28 year old feminists that think they're "young and vibrant."

I always think that.

I don't care how bad the West is culturally - we always have a get out of jail free card up our sleeve if we are willing to put in the work, earn money and leverage it to bring resources and people into our lives, or leverage around the rest of the world.

I feel for the men born in the third world, ex communist and other countries with broken economies and massive visa restrictions. Although life can be relative - maybe they don't know fully what they are missing out on and vica versa.
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RE: Social Infertility - Epidemic of Childless Unmarried Woman
(07-23-2019 04:58 PM)Swordfish1010 Wrote:  
(07-23-2019 12:38 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(07-23-2019 11:14 AM)Graft Wrote:  "It's really such a waste of a woman's youth to have a boyfriend. Her late teens and early twenties should be spent with the world at her feet, getting insane private jet offers from dozens of rich men. What a waste it would be to have a boyfriend during the prime of your life, a time where you should be using your beauty for all it's worth."


There's a broader lessen:

Understanding the difference between a "commodity" to be spent (squandered) and an "asset" to be leveraged (invested) is a fundamental difference between winning and losing at life

(07-23-2019 11:55 AM)GT777733 Wrote:  It's also these kinds of admissions, specifically from females, that make me think I have to at least consider (and accept) the possibility a long term future without a traditional LTR or family.

Dont let the anecdotes overwhelm your whole world view. There are still plenty of good women out there. Especially if you only need one.

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In economics we call this time preference. The current mainstream society has an overwhelmingly high time preference, where they think only in the short term and immediate gratification. People with low time preference would rather give up definite gratification in the short term for the potential of long term success. If hot girls understood basic economics and biology, they would be leveraging their fertility to secure the highest value man they could lock down for a family, and understand that the clock is ticking. Stanford did a study about this called the marshmallow test, and they took a group of kids and told them that they could have 1 marshmallow right now, or wait a day and then get 2 marshmallows. The kids that chose the immediate gratification were basically unsuccessful at everything important in life, and the 2 marshmallow kids had high SAT scores, built businesses, etc. The root cause of this is the easy, unsound money being printed up by the truck load, but that is another thread.

Isn't that called the ability to delay gratification? Either way, you're right.

What a woman can offer a man over the long term doesn't enter their heads. It mostly goes as far as 'I'm ready to settle down now - someone will take me'. It's honestly incredible to watch the smugness/ignorance/confidence that modern women have these days in thinking things will go as they planned. If you could bottle that mindset and sell it to people - you'd be incredibly rich.

Random thought I had which ties into the topic of women getting older and wanting to settle down in their late 20's and into their 30's+ ....

By that time - the mystique of women has worn off for the higher quality men.

At the risk of sounding graphic/vulgar -we know you sh*t, p*ss, fart, talk like a sailor to your girlfriends when you aren't around men, have heavy flow periods, get under boob sweat when you exercise, get diarrhea and throw up when you get sick, can see how you test us and try bend us to your will or pull us down to test our strength of mind, can see how you want the arm candy of a man to show all your friends and family your catch and that you aren't single anymore and you've locked down a baby daddy for a family.

We only see our own value and what we can offer increase as we age, while we see all your flaws and imperfections.

Am I willing to appreciate, respect and 'love' the right woman for all those things? Absolutely.

But, if you're coming to me as a broken down mess with questionable standards, values, expectations and behavior/attitude, and declining looks, on what planet do you live on where you think that's a good deal for a man?

Come to the table with your best (including your peak beauty, and an ability to grow and adapt as you age), and then we can talk.

^This is the traditionalist in me talking though. It's idealistic. At least in the West, I know that all types of relationships are generally seen as quick transactions and highly devalued. Like you said - people are only looking for what they can get right now and not what they can grow and develop over the long term. Things move fast and many things (including humans and relationships) are becoming cheap and disposable.

*Note - these are just observations and generalisations. Don't freak out and think it's gone all black pill. Obviously, worthwhile people and relationships are still out there and still exist - they just take more time, effort and nuance to find and maintain.
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(07-22-2019 09:12 PM)Graft Wrote:  
(07-22-2019 07:01 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  [quote='Graft' pid='2003310' dateline='1563770702']
[quote='SilentOne' pid='2002137' dateline='1563431697']

You have to consider a few things here.
A woman who worked on her diploma and tries to have a career is not going to give priority to his man and his family. Period. It is that simple.

That's just not true.

I can give at least five examples within my immediate social circle:

Girl 1 meets guy in high school, goes for 6 years of undergrad + masters. Marries him as soon as she is done with those and pops out a kid.

Girl 2 meets guy in college, becomes a teacher and moves in immediately with him after. She is pregnant, gave up her classroom, and utilizing her teaching experience as a stay at home tutor.

Girl 3 meets guy in high school, marries him a few years after college. Works five or so years in the corporate world, once his job forced relocation she packed up her shit and moved with him, convinced her company to do her job remotely. Currently having her first child. If the remote option doesn't work out she'll have close to ten years experience when looking for a new job.

Girl 4 meets guy in college, they both have the same career path in the corporate world. Moves in with him and gets engaged a year or two after college. No kids yet but they are mid twenties.

Girl 5 meets guy on a vacation, moves to NYC to pursue her career and live with him. He decides to move to another state for a low paying job, she gives up a pretty glamorous career to move with him.

Girl 6 meets guy in college, graduates a year later. Moves for his job two separate times while she works and gets an online masters. Gets married five or so years after college and is probably on track to make 150k+ in the medical field.

I will give one caveat to all of these examples: they were in high school/college when people have more time than when they are working adults. However I do have one chick in my social circle who works a 60-70 hour week in finance, didn't really prioritize guys that much. As soon as that bio clock started ticking in her late 20's, she found a dude real fast and married him in two years. So it's definitely possible in the working world if she puts her mind to it.

Just some number crunching for you guys-just say a girl graduates at 22 and averages 70k for the next five years until her first kid (70k is a pretty standard slightly above average career). You're talking about a quarter million dollars post tax over the course of those five years. Are you willing to shoulder that? I have a pretty high income and I'm definitely not willing to do it just to say that I have a wife that doesn't work.

Maybe some of you guys have a way different opinion on this, but if I see a 20 year old girl skipping college and waiting to marry a high earning man so she can not work for the rest of her life, I see her as low value and I know that most successful guys would agree with me.


Women going to university working is not the root cause of their problems. It adds fuel to the fire but she can make a happy home if she's not a piece of shit. The main problem is that most of them are pieces of shit to begin with and a four year cockfest + income afterwards exacerbates the real problem.

You definitely live in a rich country . These examples are anomalies.
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Some depressing statistics: the average marriage age in the 1970s, for a female, was 20 years old.

Can you imagine a generation or two ago, young men could deflower a 20 year old bride and support his family on one income? That seems unfathomable in 2019. No wonder they called the US the greatest nation on earth.


If you even get a bride in her late 20s, you're on the lucky side.

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(07-18-2019 05:16 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(07-18-2019 01:46 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  So on one hand it's nice that everyone is so close, and she respects the husband of her best friend so much... but this chick actually thinks she is entitled to a fill-in male mentor because she can't lock her own guy down.
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That she was never really better than a 6 even in her youth, so why would any dude with means and intelligence who is in his late 30s go for her (who has been through a string of relationships), when he could get a girl in her early 20s who has the same level of social graces and is WAY hotter and has been with less men.

Because of her $65K/year salary? Whoopdeedoo.

Her wage is her problem. She needs to lock down a guy who makes more buck than that, while nobody in that income bracket would be desperate enough to marry a 6 in her 30s.

The hard truth is that it's getting increasingly difficult to lock down an attractive early 20's woman, especially for a guy who is in his late 30's and presumably isn't in the right social circles.

The vast majority of men don't have what it takes to date women in their early 20's once these men hit their 30's. What I have seen, and will continue to see, is that most men will take what they can get in the marriage market, even if that means marrying a woman in her early to mid thirties.

The average female marriage age wouldn't be 28 years old (this includes immigrant populations, the south, traditional Midwest, etc) if women were consistently traded out once they hit 30.
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(08-01-2019 02:22 PM)Graft Wrote:  Some depressing statistics: the average marriage age in the 1970s, for a female, was 20 years old.

Can you imagine a generation or two ago, young men could deflower a 20 year old bride and support his family on one income? That seems unfathomable in 2019. No wonder they called the US the greatest nation on earth.


If you even get a bride in her late 20s, you're on the lucky side.

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Ok gentlemen, in response to your concerns about "what age women marry at" here is a list of average ages women marry by State in the USA. Go to Idaho, Wyoming, or Kentucky and pick out your young girl. All 3 of these states are chill. (I omitted Utah because many of you may not want to convert to Mormonism, Arkansas and Oaklahoma because...well just because.)

1. Idaho: 23.2

2. Utah: 23.3

3. Wyoming: 24.2

4. Arkansas: 24.3

5. Oklahoma: 24.4

6. Kentucky: 24.8

7. West Virginia: 25.0

8. Kansas: 25.0

9. Tennessee: 25.2

10. Texas: 25.2

11. Alaska: 25.2

12. North Dakota: 25.3

13. Alabama: 25.3

14. Iowa: 25.4

15. Nebraska: 25.4

16. Missouri: 25.6

17. Nevada: 25.6

18. South Dakota: 25.6

19. North Carolina: 25.7

20. Montana: 25.7

21. Colorado: 25.7

22. Indiana: 25.7

23. Mississippi: 25.8

24. Arizona: 25.8

25. New Mexico: 25.8

26. Louisiana: 25.9

27. Washington: 25.9

28. Georgia: 25.9

29. Oregon: 26.0

30. Minnesota: 26.3

31. Wisconsin: 26.3

32. Ohio: 26.3

33. Maine: 26.4

34. South Carolina: 26.4

35. Florida: 26.4

36. Michigan: 26.4

37: Virginia: 26.4

38: Puerto Rico: 26.5

39. Delaware: 26.6

40. New Hampshire: 26.8

41. California: 26.8

42. Hawaii: 26.9

43. Vermont: 26.9

44. Illinois: 27.0

45. Pennsylvania: 27.1

46. Maryland: 27.3

47. Connecticut: 27.6

48. New Jersey: 27.7

49. Rhode Island: 28.2

50. New York: 28.4

51. Massachusetts: 28.5

52. District of Columbia: 29.7
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NY: 28.5 ??

NYC is at least 30

No wonder I’m so jaded...

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(08-03-2019 06:02 PM)Graft Wrote:  NY: 28.5 ??

NYC is at least 30

No wonder I’m so jaded...

Upstate pulls the average down.
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(08-03-2019 07:37 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  
(08-03-2019 06:02 PM)Graft Wrote:  NY: 28.5 ??

NYC is at least 30

No wonder I’m so jaded...

Upstate pulls the average down.

Behind this quantification, lies one of the biggest social changes possible. If women are getting married at say, 30, men are first getting married in their early to mid 30s. This is another lifetime away from the average 18 year old man.

This has profound implications. Women spend their most fertile years undertaking sexual speculation with people unknown to their mothers (rakes, cads, men of other races - not forgetting the boom of lesbianism since the 1990s). Young men see all this and they don't see any of their older peers getting married because the age of first marriage is so far away. By the time he reaches 30, he sees the divorce train wrecks to the side of the tracks and the increasing attraction younger women have for him. The women his age might shame him for dating younger women but what the Sex in the City brigade didn't plan for was that men their planned marriage ages come with decreasing testosterone levels and increasing redpill experience will not be as romantic or as willing to walk over broken glass for women's favour as they were when they were young.


It is no wonder this destroyed Beta game for everyone except Mr Big in his early 30s who took on the medium to high divorce risk my taking on a Sex in the City refugee. No wonder, this brought about PUA, MGTOW, the incel, travel-MGTOW and ultimately the counter-conservative state of men seeking answers from the Almighty.
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