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(07-26-2019 11:51 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  Men have emotional lives, and emotional lives can be damaged, and size has nothing to do with conning or manipulating someone.

Uncomfortable as this topic is, there is more too it than the man up dynamic.

Yes, men have emotional lives and they can be damaged. I wonder if a statement like this would have flown in here just a couple of years ago.

I have a job as a laborer now, I work with brick, gyprock, drills, saws ... I like it. I have plenty of mental space to think about why I haven't been with a woman for 14 years. The grounding nature of the job has given me the strength to look at my weaknesses, I've discovered that real intimacy and vulnerability scares the s**t out of me because I got absolutely crushed in the past. Casual sex has never interested me, so, it's a real relationship or nothing, and with that, I have to have my emotional house in order.

This said, yes, while it may not be a technical rape, the potential for deep and damaging humiliation is real.
07-27-2019 05:35 AM
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RE: BBC News: "Forced penetration: If a woman forces a man to have sex, is that rape?"
Maybe he should have just fucked her rough Pierre Woodman style. So she knows who is wearing pants. How can a man be raped by a woman? Maybe if she´s ugly and fat. If any woman wants to rape me she can. It´s like those hot school teachers who fuck young kids. I have no issue if my kids are abused by hot school teachers. I used to jerk off thinking about some teachers. I wish they would have abused me. Specially gym teacher. She caught me checking her nice round ass. Why didn´t she abuse me?

A woman can damage by cheating. Divorce raping. Or emotional abuse. But if they do this is because either you married an insatiable slut. Or you´re not keeping frame. Of course the environment is not helping. Before you could just slap her to keep her grounded. But now it´s illegal.

Remember a woman will not pay much attention to words. Because they are not logical. But actions makes them become scary shitless.

Woman are kinda like tenants. You have to screen them before letting them in. It´s not after. There are some people who are just degenerates in society. Try to deal with them the least possible time.

Like the grandmother of a friend used to say: You always have time for a bad marriage. So don´t rush. Shitty woman are always available.
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(07-25-2019 11:16 AM)Harem Scarem Wrote:  The answer to the question, purely on principle, is "obviously". That this is not yet the case in the UK is yet another example of how it's a clown country. Although supposedly women forcibly penetrating men can be prosecuted under other offences that carry the same maximum sentences. So this legal status in the UK is possibly the result of old-school chivalry rather than feminism. Maybe UK users can clarify this.

I can imagine that in the short- to mid-term, SJWs will play word games with "rape" in the same way that they did with "racism", if not legally, then at least morally and culturally. Their view is that white people cannot be the victims of racism, because racism is a system of oppression perpetrated by whites against nonwhite victims. If a nonwhite person uses racial slurs against white people, that is not nice, but it's not "racism" in this new definition. By the same token, the idea will soon enter the mainstream (or maybe it already has) that a man can never be the victim of rape by a woman, because rape (and "rape culture") is part of a system of oppression by men against women. If a woman penetrates a man against his will, that is not cool, it can be assault, but never rape.

The whole semantic game would however be irrelevant if female-on-male rape and violence were limited to extreme cases as described above, e.g. a bunch of predatory women conspiring to drug a man, chain him up in a dungeon, and rape him, i.e. horror-movie stuff or the games that are played by the Epstein/Clinton networks of this world against men, women, and childen alike. But what we're increasingly looking at in Western society is men being overpowered by their female partners, either physically or by being unwilling to use violence in self-defence even against a violently aggressive wife. And then they basically play the role of the battered wife. I do not see how any legal change (which would of course only be fair) can change this degeneration of Western man. The worst match-up in the world must be the sunken-chested soy-fed nu-male shacking up with a high-T woman-beast hybrid. I can feel pity for such a man or disgust for him, but in any case it's going to take centuries to repair the damage that has been done to the Western peoples.

Legally only men can rape in the UK. The offence is defined under section one of the 2003 Sexual Offences Act, and is defined, roughly from memory thus:

Person A commits an offence if he intentionally penetrates the mouth, vagina or anus of another person (B) with HIS PENIS.

Women forcing men to have sex with them can be prosecuted under different sections of the act for things such as forceable penetration. The sentences can be the same, though the guidelines for judges are less strict (rape carries a maximum possible sentence of life in prison).

The label is not the same though, there are no female rapists, it is a legal impossibility.
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(07-25-2019 02:11 AM)WalterBlack Wrote:  On one occasion John woke up to find that his partner had handcuffed his right arm to the metal bed frame. Then she started hitting him on the head with a loudspeaker from the stereo system beside the bed, tied up his other arm with some nylon rope and tried to force him to have sex.

Scared and in pain, John was unable to comply with her demands - so she beat him again and left him chained up for half an hour, before returning and freeing him. Afterwards she refused to talk about what had happened.

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(07-27-2019 05:35 AM)Zep Wrote:  I have a job as a laborer now, I work with brick, gyprock, drills, saws ... I like it.

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On the surface the story is about whether women can rape men but if you look deeper it's subtle brainwashing to train the average man into the narrative that the state is your authority and your relationship with women includes the state. If you have trouble with women you don't deal with it yourself, like a man, you need to ask the state to intervene like it's your daddy. Goyim, you need to third party everything to the state, just like all women love doing.
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(07-27-2019 05:35 AM)Zep Wrote:  
(07-26-2019 11:51 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  Men have emotional lives, and emotional lives can be damaged, and size has nothing to do with conning or manipulating someone.

Uncomfortable as this topic is, there is more too it than the man up dynamic.
I have a job as a laborer now, I work with brick, gyprock, drills, saws ... I like it. I have plenty of mental space to think about why I haven't been with a woman for 14 years. The grounding nature of the job has given me the strength to look at my weaknesses, I've discovered that real intimacy and vulnerability scares the s**t out of me because I got absolutely crushed in the past. Casual sex has never interested me, so, it's a real relationship or nothing, and with that, I have to have my emotional house in order.

Sounds like hamstering to me. What's the REAL reason you haven't been with a woman for a decade and a half? Easy porn? Isolated? Overworked? No access? Too proud to pay? Closet gay?

Don't forget, if you don't use it you'll lose it... (the drive).
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(07-29-2019 02:46 AM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  
(07-27-2019 05:35 AM)Zep Wrote:  
(07-26-2019 11:51 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  Men have emotional lives, and emotional lives can be damaged, and size has nothing to do with conning or manipulating someone.

Uncomfortable as this topic is, there is more too it than the man up dynamic.
I have a job as a laborer now, I work with brick, gyprock, drills, saws ... I like it. I have plenty of mental space to think about why I haven't been with a woman for 14 years. The grounding nature of the job has given me the strength to look at my weaknesses, I've discovered that real intimacy and vulnerability scares the s**t out of me because I got absolutely crushed in the past. Casual sex has never interested me, so, it's a real relationship or nothing, and with that, I have to have my emotional house in order.

Sounds like hamstering to me. What's the REAL reason you haven't been with a woman for a decade and a half? Easy porn? Isolated? Overworked? No access? Too proud to pay? Closet gay?

Don't forget, if you don't use it you'll lose it... (the drive).

No emotional life for you, bucko.

“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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(07-29-2019 02:46 AM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  
(07-27-2019 05:35 AM)Zep Wrote:  
(07-26-2019 11:51 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  Men have emotional lives, and emotional lives can be damaged, and size has nothing to do with conning or manipulating someone.

Uncomfortable as this topic is, there is more too it than the man up dynamic.
I have a job as a laborer now, I work with brick, gyprock, drills, saws ... I like it. I have plenty of mental space to think about why I haven't been with a woman for 14 years. The grounding nature of the job has given me the strength to look at my weaknesses, I've discovered that real intimacy and vulnerability scares the s**t out of me because I got absolutely crushed in the past. Casual sex has never interested me, so, it's a real relationship or nothing, and with that, I have to have my emotional house in order.

Sounds like hamstering to me. What's the REAL reason you haven't been with a woman for a decade and a half? Easy porn? Isolated? Overworked? No access? Too proud to pay? Closet gay?

Don't forget, if you don't use it you'll lose it... (the drive).

I have written in here a couple of times about a lifetime struggle with clinical depression and bad anxiety attacks. In order to be able to operate normally I was given benzos and ssri's. They kind of worked, but the side-effect of zero sex drive was a result.

Now I'm in my 50's and looks wise? think of Scott Adams, Stephan Molyneux or Ramzpaul. Think I can pick up a nice, slim, 30 something year old on my low salary, looking like them? Not. a. chance.

If I could get an erection for 40 or 50 year old women I'd be in heaven right now. They are everywhere, and overweight and sexually uninspiring ( to ME ) .

I know some 50 yr old dudes who are still hot for their 50yr old wives, but keep in mind that they have yrs of sexual association with them. So, there's yrs of anchoring that works for them. There are some dudes who have high sex-drives and will do anything with a pulse. Good for them I guess.

I'm not sexually interested in woman my age. *shrug*

Yea, I've lost my sex drive I suppose. It's not that uncommon. If you live in a city, check out the McDonalds and other fast food chains early in the morning, you'll see a lot of older guys alone in there, reading the paper or something. Now try to befriend one of them and suss out when the last time they had sex was, I'll bet it wasn't for years and years.

The return on investment for cold approaching is what? 3 dates per 50 approaches for an intermediate. These are Krausers stats, and I believe him to be honest. I could not give a damn about p**sy that much? Head out, as a 50 yr old, into the world, and actually try to find 30 to 50 slim women to approach in the first place. Pffffffffft, really? good luck. As a 20 or 30 yr old, fine, you have the drive, the time, the energy, and the prospects in bars and university campuses. But, can you imagine a Stephan Molyneux, Scott Adams or Ramzpaul going out into harsh reality scoping for slim, 30 to 40 year olds? on a laborers salary? yea ok. good luck.

The last date I went on was awful, I remember being angry inside at how lame the woman was, like she had little conversational skill, no interest in flirting with me and expected me to do all the work, and she was at best a 6. In my mind I was thinking "are you serious? you are so plain and you want me to work for you? come on", and the last time I almost had sex, the woman had a huge bush, some serious jungle action going on and I was immediately turned off, that and the fact that her apartment was a mess, dirty floor, unwashed dishes. Oof, I'm shuddering right now. Weird thing was, her personality was great. Her personal hygiene however, did not go in the direction I was expecting it to.

So, these are the women I'm qualified for with my looks and my salary, and I am not interested, and so have taken myself out of the game.

"Too proud to pay?" you said. Not at all!

I remember writing in here a few years ago that paying for it makes total sense to me. Imagine you are a businessman and working 60 hours a week, your job is serious to you, what are you going to do? start cold approaching?? lol, this is absurd. I've been on two PUA bootcamps back in the day, you know the ones written about in The Game? I've met over half the guys in that book. I saw the sheer amount of work they had to put in to get small results. For Krauser and Tom Torero to turn their dating lives around they had to basically quit their jobs and go full time into learning how to pickup from cold approach. A businessman knows this is absurd, so he picks up the phone and gets a girl of a calibre he could never, ever get by cold approaching. He justs makes a call, she comes over, she loves him for the right price, and then leaves. It's perfect. I can't afford it, so tough beans for me I suppose.

Maybe you are right. The REAL reason I haven't been with a woman for years is low sex-drive combined with low prospects due to low sexual market place value, and a desire ONLY for women who are "out of my league". I think that is more the real reason.

It's quite possible that I'll spend the rest of my life celibate, but meh, so what? wait till you're my age, see what's important then, oh and I love hot women! who doesn't? but they don't love me and other low SMV dudes. That's life, maybe one day you'll be in my shoes.
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RE: BBC News: "Forced penetration: If a woman forces a man to have sex, is that rape?"
"I'm not sexually interested in woman my age. *shrug*"

To paraphrase AfOR of the Wimminz blog:

Your only problem is that your penis has better taste than you do.

“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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(07-29-2019 01:25 PM)Zep Wrote:  It's quite possible that I'll spend the rest of my life celibate, but meh, so what? wait till you're my age, see what's important then, oh and I love hot women! who doesn't? but they don't love me and other low SMV dudes. That's life, maybe one day you'll be in my shoes.

I'm 63,
Think same as you, only interested in women aged 18-30 and weighing less than 50Kg. Moved to Asia when I was 52, never had as many attractive women in my life before. Ten years later I don't bother so much (have a wife half my age now), but there are plenty of university students looking for a bit of help with their fees and living expenses..
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