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"Arab world turns its back on religion"
1. Decreases in religiosity in the Arab world according to new surveys.
However, it will still take them decades to match levels of religiosity we see in the West.




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(https://www.theguardian.com/global-devel...-on-the-us)


2. "Survey of 25,000 people in Middle East and North Africa also shows 52% of 18- to 29-year-olds are thinking about migrating"

Religiosity may grow in the West with a continued influx of muslims and Africans. While these muslims are less religious than their parents, on average, they are still more religious than the West has been since the 1950s or earlier.

3. According to an old survey, the world is becoming more religious overall.
(https://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/reli...2010-2050/)

But, if we take a look at this new survey and combine it we can see a more specific situation.

Yes, we will have more muslims and African Christians as a percent of the global population, but those countries will be less religious than they were previously.

More questions than answers...

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RE: "Arab world turns its back on religion"
Does this mean we can finally call a win in this stupid "war on terror" and get rid of TSA at the airports as well?
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(07-25-2019 05:06 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  Does this mean we can finally call a win in this stupid "war on terror" and get rid of TSA at the airports as well?

No, of course not. The TSA will still want to fist, you lest you have a dirty bomb in your butthole and harass Caucasian grannies from Europe on holiday.
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RE: "Arab world turns its back on religion"
Been saying for a while that the arabs coming to europe aren't muslim, they're atheists who pretend to be muslim because the NGO people tell them to.
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RE: "Arab world turns its back on religion"
I..hugged..two Muslim Indonesian woman recently when in Bali. Met them on tinder. Hugged one shortly after meeting her for a beer.

She was going back to mainland Indonesia to meet her family for the end of Ramadan feast
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With the death penalty for apostasy. Perhaps they will be crypto-atheists? Or that there will be a future conflict between the fundamentalists and the atheists.

Which is already happening with the presence of the Syrian Democratic forces in Syria.
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RE: "Arab world turns its back on religion"
Well, it's been said that people generally tend to get more conservative as they get older. So it's possible that some/many of the young people that don't pray now, or generally aren't as enthusiastic about religion now, may actually turn to religion later in life. Especially if they're surrounded by it in their society generally.
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RE: "Arab world turns its back on religion"
Yes, age plays a factor but these societies are growing older with declining birth rates and still have decreases in religiosity.


Interesting finding is the big increase in religiosity in Yemen in the graph below (purple and green dots reversed from the rest)


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RE: "Arab world turns its back on religion"
^ Yemen is in the middle of a civil war and a proxy war right now, and has been for the past few years. So that may explain the unusually high religiosity or increase in religiosity relative to its neighbors.

As for all the others, I think it's possible that globo-homo culture and poison has managed to, or begun to creep into the Muslim world. Regarding birth rates, I think it's more probable though that the Middle East is in a state of perpetual war and chaos which are obviously not favorable to making and raising children. It's just as possible that it's a mix of both perpetual war and globo-homo since Saudi Arabia, Iran and Turkey are relatively prosperous in the region (So more prone to globo-homo infiltration) while all the conflict happens in the spaces and places between them (So perpetual war or conflict everywhere else).

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(07-27-2019 12:16 AM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  ^ Yemen is in the middle of a civil war and a proxy war right now, and has been for the past few years. So that may explain the unusually high religiosity or increase in religiosity relative to its neighbors.

As for all the others, I think it's possible that globo-homo culture and poison has managed to, or begun to creep into the Muslim world. Regarding birth rates, I think it's more probable though that the Middle East is in a state of perpetual war and chaos which are obviously not favorable to making and raising children. It's just as possible that it's a mix of both perpetual war and globo-homo since Saudi Arabia, Iran and Turkey are relatively prosperous in the region (So more prone to globo-homo infiltration) while all the conflict happens in the spaces and places between them (So perpetual war or conflict everywhere else).

Rates of birth in Syrian refugee camps are sky high.

Corresponds with the term Boomer ie: the Baby Boom off the back of much higher rates of pregnancy during WWII.

Im interested, as a Serb.. do you have knowledge or anecdotal evidence of what happened to birth rates during the 90's?

Cos in WWII Europe it seems that everyone fucked like rabbits.
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RE: "Arab world turns its back on religion"
This survey is propaganda.

One of the most potent ways of undermining resistance to an invasion is to keep telling patriots that the enemy is just like them. That's why the media always focuses its immigrant stories on that small slice that either were middle class back in their own countries or managed to crab-crawl into other-than-poverty once they reach the West: the message is that the people flooding your borders are no different to you.

Who conducted this survey? BBC News Arabic and Arab Barometer, a Princeton University-based research network. It is a MSM-designed survey, it was built to serve an agenda, it is painting a target around an already-fired arrow.

And the reason they do it is because, despite a good 20 years since the Iraq War, Islam refuses to change. It hasn't bowed to the Western god of "reform" or "secularisation". Despite a lot of money dropped on it Arabs don't wear rainbow hijabs, and indeed Islam's decentralised faith structure is highly resistant to such "reform"; what might fly at a homo-accepting mosque at the WTC site is zero indication of what flies at the hardcore bombers' mosque two streets over.

In addition, the MSM has failed in its campaign to convince the world that Islam itself is a harmless religion, so this is a shift in tactics: to try and say that most Muslims don't really believe in Islam's principles, the vast majority even in their shithole countries are just as lapsed, hypocritical, and non-practicing as the fat and therefore godless West. In short, it's an attempt to make you think the average Muslim is no different to the average Westerner.

This is a dreadful misconception, for several reasons, but the primary one is the observation that Nassim Taleb has demonstrated mathematically: all other things being equal, it is the intolerant minority that dominates the tolerant majority, forces it to accede to its demands. It doesn't matter how many lapsed Muslims you have, it's the hardcore, virtuous ones that determine things for the rest. Which is why you have decent attempts at theocracies in each of those Middle Eastern shitholes - because, as always, the tolerant majority doesn't matter.

The second significant reason is because it badly underestimates Islam. It recruits, and continues to recruit, because the penalty for leaving the religion is death. There is a reason Omar Sharif stayed a damn Muslim after converting for his wife even after they separated, and it's not because he enjoyed the religion as such.

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"Hey guys, multi-racial societies with large muslim populations are going to be fine! Can't you see with our graph and survey?! Everything's going to be alllllllllllllright....."

Well that's convinced me. No more ethno-nationalism needed. Just off to treat myself to some new consumer products on credit, to celebrate!
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(07-27-2019 12:49 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  Im interested, as a Serb.. do you have knowledge or anecdotal evidence of what happened to birth rates during the 90's?

Cos in WWII Europe it seems that everyone fucked like rabbits.

It may have to do with Men claiming their women, and women doing the same. Also conflict causes people to become closer due to the fear of the future. Extreme emotions and danger might make those involved become more intimate and use sex as an escape. Just my thoughts, I have no clue. I can say I was in Bosnia in 2000/2001 and it seemed like there were a lot of kids under 6 or 7 in the streets.

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(07-27-2019 12:49 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  
(07-27-2019 12:16 AM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  ^ Yemen is in the middle of a civil war and a proxy war right now, and has been for the past few years. So that may explain the unusually high religiosity or increase in religiosity relative to its neighbors.

As for all the others, I think it's possible that globo-homo culture and poison has managed to, or begun to creep into the Muslim world. Regarding birth rates, I think it's more probable though that the Middle East is in a state of perpetual war and chaos which are obviously not favorable to making and raising children. It's just as possible that it's a mix of both perpetual war and globo-homo since Saudi Arabia, Iran and Turkey are relatively prosperous in the region (So more prone to globo-homo infiltration) while all the conflict happens in the spaces and places between them (So perpetual war or conflict everywhere else).

Rates of birth in Syrian refugee camps are sky high.

Corresponds with the term Boomer ie: the Baby Boom off the back of much higher rates of pregnancy during WWII.

Im interested, as a Serb.. do you have knowledge or anecdotal evidence of what happened to birth rates during the 90's?

Cos in WWII Europe it seems that everyone fucked like rabbits.

It's very easy for Syrians in refugee camps to have high birth rates when they are being subsidized by the host governments with the money of natives.

Frankly, i was too young to live through most of the 1990's, but what i do know comes partly from official historical records and statistics, contact with relatives and so on. During the Communist period, birthrates began to decline from the pre-WW2 period and went from around 4 or 3 children per woman all the way down to just above the minimum necessary population replacement number of 2.1 children. Abortions in the Former Yugoslavia were shockingly high in proportion to the population. With the collapse of Yugoslavia and Communism in general in 1991, birth rates began to plummet because Liberalism began to massively enter without any Communist barriers. While i don't know about the birthrates in the Balkan region from 1990-2000, it's clear that from 2000 onward, the birth rates of literally every group in the region went down below the average of 2.1 similar to the rest of East Europe. I believe that the birth rates from 2000-2020 and those yet to be are more important to pay attention to anyway.

Even Balkan Muslims like Bosnian Muslims and Albanians actually had their birthrates drop below 2.1 as well. It may seem unbelievable, but ever since 2000, the birthrates of Muslims in the Balkans have actually fallen below the replenishment level of 2.1, and of all the populations in the region, Muslims are the most eager to emigrate to the West since they are obviously the poorest group relative to all the others. During the Former Yugoslavia, their birth rates were very high because like in the West right now, the state aggressively gave them lots of handouts. The only reason they haven't emigrated more into the EU is because the EU has for reasons which are unclear, still not granted Bosnia, Albania and "Kosovo" approved working visas across the EU despite promising to do that years ago. Without going into further detail, I would also add that the behavior of Bosnian Muslims and Albanians during the former Yugoslavia was very similar to that of the behavior of migrants currently in the West. That is, getting free money from the government and committing endless crime.

If you want more information on birth rates specifically in Bosnia, you should ask forum member Irenicus since he is an expert on the demographics of Bosnia.

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RE: "Arab world turns its back on religion"
The survey does a good job showing trends but take a close look at the numbers on that graph.

Morocco went from 3 percent irrelgion to 9 percent . Yes, thats a 200 percent increase, but it still means 90 percent are religious. By comparison, the US had that level of irreligion in 1950.

These societies are changing too but it takes a long time.

For example, one of the most effective forms of birth control is female education. (Time spent at school and university is time not spent on having children.) We can see that only in the past decade has percent female university enrollment surpassed that of males in the Arab world. (To compare, developed countries have had higher female enrollment for decades: North America since 1980, EU since 1990).

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The issue with Arabs isnt only about religiousity. It is about tribalism - they have been fucking their cousins for 2000 years. This level on inbreeding is horrible for a society and will take 100s of years to rectify.
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(07-27-2019 08:14 AM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  The issue with Arabs isnt only about religiousity. It is about tribalism - they have been fucking their cousins for 2000 years. This level on inbreeding is horrible for a society and will take 100s of years to rectify.

That's the only thing that would stop me from marrying an Arab/Muslim woman. A damn shame cos they're hot as hell.
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Resize your 2nd image. Here is the default code:


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Increase size from there but make it fit a single screen without need to scroll.
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When it comes to situation with radical islamists in Europe and radical islamists generally, people always point at those islamists. But the truth is they are only a "tool".
It´s my opinion, that these big groups of people can be easily manipulated from being "radical islamists" to "not so much religilous at all" and oposite direction. All you need to do is to make their lifes easy/difficult and heavily support that idea group you want to win. It doesn´t have to be only about religion, you can use for example ethnicity too (see Yugoslavia).

If the plan goes well, Europe won´t be islamic, as the most of the people think. Europe will be just without Europeans, but with citizens with adjustable opinions.

For example Tunisia is country with a lot of tourists coming and everything there is being changed there in favor of western society. Religilous pressure is not too strong and young people are looking at western tourists life plus they have access to internet and all the movies and stuff.
All (((someone))) has to do is destabilize country financially with wide area of monetary tools, spread some news to stop foreign people coming, isolate them from the rest for the world and support radical islamists with money, guns, whatever.
This is how can you make the most open-minded islamist state, the most radical one just in few months.
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It's not that easy.
Terrorism is really built into sunni islam, you just have to read the two sahihs to understand it.
They are freely available as double-language (english/arabic) PDFs on the web AFAIK so no big effort required.
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That's kind of the low-grade modern neocon narrative. Muslims have been around for 14 centuries, yet muslim terrorism somehow only appears after the fall of communism, taking the relay as the Straussian great bogeyman. It's basically the continuation of Gladio, where deep state groups terrorized western Europe with a long series of lethal bombings in the 1970s and 80s, culminating in the Bologna Station bombing, which killed 85 people.

The first wave of islamic terrorism hit Europe shortly after the fall of the Iron Curtain in the 90s, it started out in France with Algerian islamic terror cells created by the deep state.

The problem here is that few of us have that historic perspective and the deeper understanding of terror as a very powerful instrument used by the deep state for social control.

More from a post I've made a couple of years ago:


The great majority of islamic terrorism in North Africa is of the deep state false flag variety, this is a pretty well-documented fact. The wave of Algerian islamist terrorism that hit France in the 90s was carried over by Algerian intelligence assets under the false flag of the GIA (Groupe Islamique Armé) with the full collaboration of local authorities.

The very same thing happened in the 1970s and 80s, but the designated bogeymen in deep state false flag terror were Reds (Operation Gladio). Those acts of terror included the bombing of the Bologna, Italy train station in 1983, which killed 85 people and wounded over 200.

Once the Iron Curtain fell, that Red bogeyman morphed from pseudo commie terror factions to islamo-terror, right around 1990, as if on cue. Islamic terror became a thing in the 90s. Even today, nearly all the major/bloody jihadi terror in Europe is of the false flag variety (Charlie Hebdo, Bataclan, Strasbourg etc).

More about Gladio in another post of mine here:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-57038...pid1348261

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(07-28-2019 01:04 PM)911 Wrote:  That's kind of the low-grade modern neocon narrative. Muslims have been around for 14 centuries, yet muslim terrorism somehow only appears after the fall of communism, taking the relay as the Straussian great bogeyman. It's basically the continuation of Gladio, where deep state groups terrorized western Europe with a long series of lethal bombings in the 1970s and 80s, culminating in the Bologna Station bombing, which killed 85 people.

The first wave of islamic terrorism hit Europe shortly after the fall of the Iron Curtain in the 90s, it started out in France with Algerian islamic terror cells created by the deep state.

The problem here is that few of us have that historic perspective and the deeper understanding of terror as a very powerful instrument used by the deep state for social control.

More from a post I've made a couple of years ago:


The great majority of islamic terrorism in North Africa is of the deep state false flag variety, this is a pretty well-documented fact. The wave of Algerian islamist terrorism that hit France in the 90s was carried over by Algerian intelligence assets under the false flag of the GIA (Groupe Islamique Armé) with the full collaboration of local authorities.

The very same thing happened in the 1970s and 80s, but the designated bogeymen in deep state false flag terror were Reds (Operation Gladio). Those acts of terror included the bombing of the Bologna, Italy train station in 1983, which killed 85 people and wounded over 200.

Once the Iron Curtain fell, that Red bogeyman morphed from pseudo commie terror factions to islamo-terror, right around 1990, as if on cue. Islamic terror became a thing in the 90s. Even today, nearly all the major/bloody jihadi terror in Europe is of the false flag variety (Charlie Hebdo, Bataclan, Strasbourg etc).

More about Gladio in another post of mine here:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-57038...pid1348261

Next "enemy" will be Space itself, i.e. its "inhabitants". After all, people should unite against foreign threat, be it reds, muslim terrorists or even Draco Reptilians. Of course, there are no aliens in vicinity (or at all), but this stuff will be fabricated.
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Space aliens have been on the dock as next global enemies for a while now, with presidents from Reagan to Obama holding the same speech about the space alien threat, but for now, they're still a marginal thing, only pushed to a narrow audience (see Rogan) as a diversion in the context of stories about Area 51.

Islamic terrorism is a bit less effective now than it was a few decades ago, because the mainstream has shifted from the Christian, conservative Reagan/Thatcher/Chirac era to the more degenerate globohomo leftist atheist urban blue state culture, which now dominates all levels of the establishment (education, media, legislation/politics, corporate etc) and is more sympathetic to immigrants and foreign cultures.

Globohomo culture is less easily compatible with anti-islam (can't hate brown people!)*, so instead of islamic terror, the current great global villain is now Russia/Putin and conservative, masculine European Christian ideology and their populist supporters in the West. This is funnily enough the mirror image of what we had in the Cold War, where the Soviet Commies along with the commies in Europe were the designated villains.


*Zio-nationalism pushed by the likes of Geert Wilders and Tommy Robinson is the designated right wing opposition to islamo-friendly leftist anti-white globohomo. Their role is to confine the emerging nationalist opposition to globohomo into a narrow anti-islamic doctrine, keeping their supporters on an emotional plane and making sure that those well-meaning patriots never address the real problem, the fact that we've been ruled by globalist banksters who are out to destroy us economically and culturally, gutting out our industry and flooding our countries with third world immigrants.

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Yeah - the propaganda works on them too, but it will take 200-300 years to get to the European levels. By that time they will have utterly fucked up most European countries. On top of it - in order to find their own independent identity in the West, then the new generation of Muslim immigrants actually turns towards Islam more readily than the ones in the motherland.
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