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RE: Is the age of mass commercial tourism coming to an end?
(07-26-2019 09:34 PM)sonoran_ Wrote:  
(07-26-2019 02:53 PM)sanbruno Wrote:  
(07-26-2019 12:59 PM)Solitaire Wrote:  I've been a travel nurse off & on for about sixteen years now. I've seen short-term rental prices skyrocket in the last five years. I took a two year break and lived down in Arizona with a crazy woman (long story with that wacko), when I showed back up to California in August 2017 to work again, everything was outrageously priced. I looked on airbnb again just recently and people are putting tents in their backyards and charging $50-60 a night.

As for tourists, well my little story won't shock anyone. It's a truism that Americans are the mongs of the tourism industry. I stayed for a month with my brother in Playa del Carmen just recently (medical tourism for myself). We went to Walmart there, was super busy with locals everywhere, lots of low volume background noise due to conversations. Cue the Americans practically yelling at one another, standing three feet away from each other. Over and over again. It was American tourists every time. Same thing on Fifth Ave, the beach, everywhere. Heavy sigh.

We are right back to mid-2000s financial exuberance. Hotel rooms downtown in my midwestern metropolis are once again hitting well over $200, even $300 a night. Everyone with a pulse is financing and leasing new cars. I'm currently in the job market and it's astonishing how many jobs, even skilled positions pay less than $20 an hour. The middle and working classes in the US have replaced wage growth with debt. Just in my own social circles, the majority of my friends are either propped up by parents/in-laws or essentially live off debt that will never re-paid. I know women that finance new cars and spend thousands a year on clothes, yet have 80k in student loan debt, delinquent bills stacked on their counter tops, and can barely scrape rent month to month. Of course their social media will always tell a vastly different tale, thanks to $90 Spirit Air deals, and endless high rate credit card offers.

Your post is 100% spot on.

Can you expand on the bolded part? I have a pretty good understanding of the market cycles and recessions but I never really considered wage stagnation as something that happens at the highs of exuberance. I was in grade 9 around 2008 so obviously my knowledge is now from experiencing it in real time.

You probably have more understanding than I do. I guess what I was getting at was that Americans can seem deceptively wealthy, but when you sit down and actually look at what many jobs actually pay, you'll see that many are BARELY getting by. I know because I've done it myself. Even skilled laborers in HVAC, welding, etc. often start at measly wages. Truck drivers are supposedly in dire "shortage" yet I see all kinds of job openings in the $20/hr range for class A drivers. The reality is, it is NOT easy to make more than 40-50k for your average American, yet you would never guess it by outward appearances.
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World famous destinations are plagued with twats using selfie sticks aswell. Leaning Tower of Pisa is notorious for basic mofos doing that lean pose.
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RE: Is the age of mass commercial tourism coming to an end?
The thing about America though is the quality of life you can attain with that meager $20/hour.

A decent western lifestyle in any Asian or South American country is going to cost 2-5x what it would in the west.

You can buy a 7,000 sqft McMansion for half a million in the southern US. The same money in the Philippines would get you a house 1/3rd the size with 1/3rd the quality. At least in any proper area.
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(07-27-2019 03:18 PM)re busted dudes Wrote:  The thing about America though is the quality of life you can attain with that meager $20/hour.

A decent western lifestyle in any Asian or South American country is going to cost 2-5x what it would in the west.

You can buy a 7,000 sqft McMansion for half a million in the southern US. The same money in the Philippines would get you a house 1/3rd the size with 1/3rd the quality. At least in any proper area.

True. When I see cost of living in the UK and Europe and the wages... I have no idea how regular people do it. It just seems like everyone I see in America pretends they make twice what they do (I'm guilty of it myself), and survives off debt, essentially faking it until they make it. My mid-western city is starting to feel like 2006 all over again, restaurants and bars are packed, rents and housing are ridiculous. You would think it's "easy" to just walk into a $70k a year job here by the looks of it. Then again, I'm not a people personand have always been a bit of an outsider, so maybe I just don't see the same opportunities others do.
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(07-27-2019 03:18 PM)re busted dudes Wrote:  The thing about America though is the quality of life you can attain with that meager $20/hour.

A decent western lifestyle in any Asian or South American country is going to cost 2-5x what it would in the west.

You can buy a 7,000 sqft McMansion for half a million in the southern US. The same money in the Philippines would get you a house 1/3rd the size with 1/3rd the quality. At least in any proper area.

Youre not wrong. I was just talking to a business owner I rent a warehouse to who immigrated from Vietnam when he was younger. I don't know the truth to his figures but he was saying the wealth distribution there was about 95% poor people and 5% extremely wealthy.

Now you could say that there is a large discrepancy here in america between the wealthy and poor also, but the poor here are still living a way better quality of life than the poor in Vietnam. People there would dream to make $20/hr in america and many come here and are happy making less. Its all about perspective.

Of course that doesn't help you if youre in america and want to do something else with your life, thats hard to do on $20/hr.
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RE: Is the age of mass commercial tourism coming to an end?
On the contrary, I believe more people will be spending more money on tourism every year in the near future. But what is happening is the market is maturing, which means local market and foreigner saturation and decreasing bang for your buck (literally).

20 years ago, there were tons of places where you'd be exotic and attractive as a (mostly white, decent looking) foreigner. Now those places are more like islands in the sea. People and girls want a certain amount of foreigners there, and as that quota is reached, you go from exotic to someone with disadvantages and lower status from not being a local.

Another mature market characteristic is 1st tier tourist countries are giving way to 2nd tier ones, but even the 2nd tier ones are tightening up. Noone wants to collect the trash. Thailand is offloading their less-earning tourists to countries like the Philippines and Cambodia, but in those countries they're both tightening visa restrictions.

I used to have some guy pick up and deliver my passport and deliver it to wherever it is they renew the visa for $3 or something for years in Cambodia. I just lied and said I was doing research for a business venture every time I wanted an extendable visa, noone gave a shit and at the end they even knew me at the airport visa counter. But now both those countries are starting to deny long-stayers on tourist visas. Brazil is tired of tourists, so now a lot are going to other Latin American countries. My friend just got back to Russia after many years, and when he left, people and especially girls would get interested if someone spoke English. Now it's a lot nicer and more civilized, but speaking English gets zero attention now. I could go on and on, but people probably get the idea by now.
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(07-29-2019 12:02 PM)Lechon Wrote:  On the contrary, I believe more people will be spending more money on tourism every year in the near future. But what is happening is the market is maturing, which means local market and foreigner saturation and decreasing bang for your buck (literally).

20 years ago, there were tons of places where you'd be exotic and attractive as a (mostly white, decent looking) foreigner. Now those places are more like islands in the sea. People and girls want a certain amount of foreigners there, and as that quota is reached, you go from exotic to someone with disadvantages and lower status from not being a local.

Another mature market characteristic is 1st tier tourist countries are giving way to 2nd tier ones, but even the 2nd tier ones are tightening up. Noone wants to collect the trash. Thailand is offloading their less-earning tourists to countries like the Philippines and Cambodia, but in those countries they're both tightening visa restrictions.

I used to have some guy pick up and deliver my passport and deliver it to wherever it is they renew the visa for $3 or something for years in Cambodia. I just lied and said I was doing research for a business venture every time I wanted an extendable visa, noone gave a shit and at the end they even knew me at the airport visa counter. But now both those countries are starting to deny long-stayers on tourist visas. Brazil is tired of tourists, so now a lot are going to other Latin American countries. My friend just got back to Russia after many years, and when he left, people and especially girls would get interested if someone spoke English. Now it's a lot nicer and more civilized, but speaking English gets zero attention now. I could go on and on, but people probably get the idea by now.

Nailing it. Atta boy.

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(07-29-2019 12:02 PM)Lechon Wrote:  People and girls want a certain amount of foreigners there, and as that quota is reached, you go from exotic to someone with disadvantages and lower status from not being a local.

So foreigners have less status now than local guys?
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When I started to look up data, I found that tourism to almost every country has increased 3-5x in the last 5-10 years. It's really a huge increase. That alone would explain much of the change we've seen in this forum regarding the attitude of women to traveling men, even leaving aside other things like social media and feminism.

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I appreciate the optimism of those who believe tourism will continue to boom, but I really don't think so - at least not in the west. Tourism in its current capacity is unsustainable. There're growing movements in many parts of Italy, Amsterdam of course, Iceland, Belgium, and other parts I'm not remembering that are becoming anti-tourist. I think the US may be averse to the decline because it's such a massive country, but the more cliche (Paris), smaller cities (by comparison) in Europe are a different animal.

However, I think much of this backlash is derived from the fact many tourists nowadays are either: wealthy Chinese people in large groups who ignore social and cultural norms in the west, or derpy IG obsessed people who don't give a shit about much of anything other than IG likes. The annoying or idiot American abroad isn't really common anymore. Everyone speaks English so even the language is no longer annoying. Yeah, Americans still tend to be loud but so are Italians and Spaniards and it's not overly frowned upon. But a Chinese tourist with a selfie stick blocking the way, or chatting loudly on a cellphone on public transport? There's increasingly a stigma against that.

I think many cities most young people avoid may thrive, but the days of Amsterdam or Reykjavik being a place you go to party and are liked are coming to an end for foreigners. It's becoming the opposite. We're just run-of-the-mill idiots in these cities nowadays.

(07-30-2019 06:07 AM)RawGod Wrote:  When I started to look up data, I found that tourism to almost every country has increased 3-5x in the last 5-10 years. It's really a huge increase. That alone would explain much of the change we've seen in this forum regarding the attitude of women to traveling men, even leaving aside other things like social media and feminism.

There's just a general attitude that people are fed up with tourists. Shit, even I fall into that category. Granted, I'm more of an immigrant but I really dread summer and the impending influx of tourists. The amount is just obscene.
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I think to say you've 'travelled' somewhere and to say you have 'lived somewhere' is where you start to differentiate yourself. If I was called a tourist after living in a place for 3-6 months, actually trying to integrate with the society and learn the language, eat the food and make friends with the locals, I would take offence.

Most people status signal with "I've been to X number of countries" but haven't shifted their perspective at all, because they are simply eating burgers, french fries, going to places where everyone is like them, and lying on a beach or in a hotel pool.

To each their own, but I don't consider that travelling, or growing as a human being.

But, for every one of me, there are 10 fat, flip-flop wearing, blobs of people that go to an all-inclusive resort for a week and claim to be 'travelled'.

If there were more people doing the whole expat thing, not trying to bring America everywhere they go, the world would be better off. If commercial tourism is going the way of the dodo, good riddance.

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(07-30-2019 06:07 AM)RawGod Wrote:  When I started to look up data, I found that tourism to almost every country has increased 3-5x in the last 5-10 years. It's really a huge increase. That alone would explain much of the change we've seen in this forum regarding the attitude of women to traveling men, even leaving aside other things like social media and feminism.

Can you send the Data? I've assumed that even though the internet has created opportunities for digital nomads to exist, The trend of the hourglass economy is increasing, and people generally are getting poorer in the west.

Not to mention the political situation in the west, which could maybe drive bluepilled expats to unconsciously seek a better life abroad.
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This is an interesting topic I have also been thinking about recently.

Low class prole tourism will probably continue unabashed, as the proles from western Europe and the US want their cheap boozing vacations in sunny places.

Middle class tourism from people that don't engage in such degenerate behavior will shift to new places or stay within Europe / North America because there is no value to be had anymore in lots of places like Thailand.

It's still a 3rd world sh*thole, prostitutes are old, ugly and apparently ask sky high rates thanks to thirsty Indians and hotels cost a fortune if you want quality (120+ a night) and are still footsteps away from filth and squalor and you deal with local scumbags (taxi mafia, tuk tuks, scammers etc.) on every corner.

There is also increasing nationalism in these places as average joe is pushed further and further out of the city center due to unaffordable rents and whites are confronted with open disdain and hostility from locals.

Younger backpackers will notice and vow to never return and whoremongers realize it's cheaper to get prostitutes in the developed world which will spell the end for western tourism in Thailand for the most part.

Might as well venture to a developed place like Taiwan to explore, pay less for it and deal with civilized people instead of 3rd world scum that wants to bite off the hand that feeds them.

Generally I see nationalism rising as economies fall off the cliff with increasing automation and wealth almost entirely in the hands of the 1% which might result in international travel falling off a cliff as well in the not so distant future, but we shall see...
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(08-03-2019 11:12 PM)iThinkThereforeIam Wrote:  This is an interesting topic I have also been thinking about recently.

Low class prole tourism will probably continue unabashed, as the proles from western Europe and the US want their cheap boozing vacations in sunny places.

Middle class tourism from people that don't engage in such degenerate behavior will shift to new places or stay within Europe / North America because there is no value to be had anymore in lots of places like Thailand.

It's still a 3rd world sh*thole, prostitutes are old, ugly and apparently ask sky high rates thanks to thirsty Indians and hotels cost a fortune if you want quality (120+ a night) and are still footsteps away from filth and squalor and you deal with local scumbags (taxi mafia, tuk tuks, scammers etc.) on every corner.

There is also increasing nationalism in these places as average joe is pushed further and further out of the city center due to unaffordable rents and whites are confronted with open disdain and hostility from locals.

Younger backpackers will notice and vow to never return and whoremongers realize it's cheaper to get prostitutes in the developed world which will spell the end for western tourism in Thailand for the most part.

Might as well venture to a developed place like Taiwan to explore, pay less for it and deal with civilized people instead of 3rd world scum that wants to bite off the hand that feeds them.

Generally I see nationalism rising as economies fall off the cliff with increasing automation and wealth almost entirely in the hands of the 1% which might result in international travel falling off a cliff as well in the not so distant future, but we shall see...

I`ve never been to Pattaya/Thailand myself, but this is the impression I have also from talking to friends who`s been there recently. (+Youtube channels etc.)

What do you really get for your money in such a place? An expensive and long flight, ugly pros, STD`s, (if you engage in those activities) air pollution, food poisoning maybe, dangerous traffic etc. I`d rather go hiking in the Swiss alps, thx you very much.

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When you get a bit older you start to realise that the world is often pretty much the same, whether it's living in a bungalow on the beach in Thailand eating fried rice, or in Vietnam

The golden age in travel has also been and gone, now the process is arduous for most of us; security control at the airport, cramming yourself into a tiny plane seat, when you get to the destination you realise that half your country is there too, taking Instagram photos in the same beauty spot.

The cheap tourist hotspots are quite have rubbish everywhere, tonnes of pollution, dead animals all over the place.

It doesn't stop the Chinese, they are relatively new to mass tourism
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In the first year of the new millennium, a modest 10.5m overseas trips were made by Chinese residents. Fast forward to 2018 and the figure was 149.7m – an astounding increase of 1,326 per cent
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(07-30-2019 08:46 PM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  I think to say you've 'travelled' somewhere and to say you have 'lived somewhere' is where you start to differentiate yourself. If I was called a tourist after living in a place for 3-6 months, actually trying to integrate with the society and learn the language, eat the food and make friends with the locals, I would take offence.

Most people status signal with "I've been to X number of countries" but haven't shifted their perspective at all, because they are simply eating burgers, french fries, going to places where everyone is like them, and lying on a beach or in a hotel pool.

To each their own, but I don't consider that travelling, or growing as a human being.

But, for every one of me, there are 10 fat, flip-flop wearing, blobs of people that go to an all-inclusive resort for a week and claim to be 'travelled'.

If there were more people doing the whole expat thing, not trying to bring America everywhere they go, the world would be better off. If commercial tourism is going the way of the dodo, good riddance.

This is how we stand out. The idea of going to a resort and not bothering to learn the language is weak as fuck. Mexicans are legit shocked when I speak half decent Spanish to them, and some will switch to Spanish when when they realize I know more than hola and como estas.

I even had a lady tell me that she was so proud of me. Learning the language and staying long term is the only way to travel.

African-Americans were horrified that the history of their ancestors was being, quite literally, whitewashed.
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(07-30-2019 06:07 AM)RawGod Wrote:  When I started to look up data, I found that tourism to almost every country has increased 3-5x in the last 5-10 years. It's really a huge increase. That alone would explain much of the change we've seen in this forum regarding the attitude of women to traveling men, even leaving aside other things like social media and feminism.

A few years ago before I went to Medellin for the first time, I chatted with Linux beforehand and he actually said he didn't like going (at this point I'm sure it was an "anymore" addition). Here's why, and for this forum it's one of the classic spots to talk about, a prototypical location if you will:

Tourism was clear and evident, at least around Poblado etc. Most people still didn't speak English (of course service people here and there) but you inevitably would even run into cunty types that (and I speak Spanish fine) would respond to you in English just because, and it's not like they spoke English really well. It just seemed like a place that, and I have written on this before, that had been smartphoned --- and that was my new theory. In around 2012 when smartphones also became big or more common, travel really began. Until 2014 you could still hit up that window of fairly untouched ground (incidentally that was dating apps/tinder's timeline too if you paid real attention). By 2016 the game was pretty much over in the high volume locations, and Medellin certainly was one of them. Without knowing a circle or being there a long time, forget about it. This was pretty much confirmed by both Scotian, another Colombia veteran, and I have heard as much from Dantes who has been there and elsewhere around the world to know very well how challenging a place is, or isn't.

Think of it, just like the sports bubble, the debt bubbles, the student loan bubbles, you name the bubble, they are all convergent = tourism bubble being entertainment of that same variety is no different.

The niches are still there, as are the colder climates (let the savvy reader understand) but the remainder will be strokedick infested until the collapse comes, and then we'll see how this whole ball of wax resets ...

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I hope not as someone that works in a factory, and has no hope of finding a wife in Australia Asia or Eastern Europe is my only shot.
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(07-26-2019 12:26 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  There seems to be a lot more negativity among locals in various popular tourist destinations towards foreigners these days. Popular Spanish destinations like Palma (Mallorca) and Magaluf on the mainland are cracking down on what they see as unacceptable behaviour. Not that tourists are acting worse than before, but the tolerance is reduced now. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/115...alma-hotel

Even Pattaya is seeing an exodus of expats it seems. The Thai Government has pretty much declared that they want to take the place back as a holiday spot for locals, and are pestering tourists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEhf_O1XXs4

I think that this is a trend that will continue and be enhanced in the future. The 2015 migrant crisis might have been a trigger. But locals are also fed up of things like Airbnb driving up housing/rental costs, migrant workers reducing wages and stealing jobs, (In some countries at least) as well as overcrowding and lack of respect for the local culture and ways of doing things. The gravy train of faux EU money might also have something to do with it in southern Euro countries. Maybe they depend less on tourists now? There`s also this flight-shame phenomenon that supposedly started i Sweden, (sounds likely) where some folks are ashamed to fly due to the idea that it will promote unnecessary emissions and hence contribute towards global warming. I suspect that the time of budget airlines will soon also come to an end. (Which might be a net positive.)

For whatever reason(s), I think that mass tourism might be headed for a serious decline. For the reasons mentioned here and maybe other things as well. What do you guys think, and are there other elements at play here?

Americans have no vacation days and only slightly more disposable income than a W. European, so they are non-entities as far as tourism goes.
What I see is less Western tourism. Even today, W. Euros on holiiday is mostly a function of the past: retires with proper pensions, and students on gap years and scholarships. We will see third world elites, gorging off of Western off-shoring, filling the gap (moderately).

Additionally, the real world travelers these days are refugees and immigrant workers, about 500 million of them. I met a Canadian Arab who has family in France and moved to Europe after not getting a job in Canada. He has family back in the Middle East and Italy. Other than bidding my time as a soldier, I have no ability to move to any cool country, much less a third world country, where I would need to rely on a (non-existent) group of in-group co-ethnics. In the USA, at least, I don't see much in the way of immigrants working. The model is working in the black economy, usually through some pseudo-criminal enterprise, like a convenience store, and having an official income of zero, the only way to qualify for benefits in the USA.
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RE: Is the age of mass commercial tourism coming to an end?
(07-26-2019 12:26 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  I suspect that the time of budget airlines will soon also come to an end. (Which might be a net positive.)

More to do with the decline of western civilisation IMHO.
I live in SEA and flights have never been so cheap, and Chinese mass tourism is at unprecedented levels.
Here's a photo of Chinese tourists on Da Nang beach I took last month
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(my AirAsia flight was $35 each way, I just went for a long weekend).
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RE: Is the age of mass commercial tourism coming to an end?
(08-04-2019 11:37 AM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  What do you really get for your money in such a place? An expensive and long flight, ugly pros, STD`s, (if you engage in those activities) air pollution, food poisoning maybe, dangerous traffic etc. I`d rather go hiking in the Swiss alps, thx you very much.
An interesting opinion, but completely false.
I've interacted with about 50 ladies of questionable character while hanging around in SEA, they were all better looking (none under a 7), under 50Kg, younger, better company and gave me more realistic feelings of love and affection than any white woman ever managed (including the white Christian virgin schoolteacher to whom I was married for 30 years)
PS, no condoms and no diseases in ten years.

As for the hiking and cycling in my new home town of Chiang Mai, it's world class, and I'm out most days.
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RE: Is the age of mass commercial tourism coming to an end?
OP, what kind of tourism are you talking about btw?

Standard issue tourists or guys looking for girls specifically? Imo the first type will only increase as time goes on, the second type will decrease.
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RE: Is the age of mass commercial tourism coming to an end?
(08-09-2019 08:02 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  
(08-04-2019 11:37 AM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  What do you really get for your money in such a place? An expensive and long flight, ugly pros, STD`s, (if you engage in those activities) air pollution, food poisoning maybe, dangerous traffic etc. I`d rather go hiking in the Swiss alps, thx you very much.
An interesting opinion, but completely false.
I've interacted with about 50 ladies of questionable character while hanging around in SEA, they were all better looking (none under a 7), under 50Kg, younger, better company and gave me more realistic feelings of love and affection than any white woman ever managed (including the white Christian virgin schoolteacher to whom I was married for 30 years)
PS, no condoms and no diseases in ten years.

As for the hiking and cycling in my new home town of Chiang Mai, it's world class, and I'm out most days.
[Image: S7VKhkTl.jpg]


-I was referring to Pattaya specifically. But Chiang Mai has it`s problems also, in terms of air pollution/dangerous traffic etc. That goes for SEA in general though. (haven`t been there, but the data is available) The scenery looks nice though.







-If you have sex with many women, you will contract something. Basically every time you have sex with someone this is the case. You might not have symptoms, but that does not mean you didn`t contract one or several pathogens. (Doesn`t automatically mean that Asian women are more dangerous, but with pros that is most likely the case.)

-It`s an excellent point you make in that China (and maybe India) will replace some of the Western tourists. But they might not travel as much too and from Western/Anglosphere nations, (including AUS) if my possible scenario plays out. The climate scare/hysteria is going to continue to grow in the years to come. I feel quite certain of this. And that will drive the reduction in tourism, including heavy taxation on the aviation industry. So Asians might travel more in the future, but probably more so within their part on the world. (As a flight to say Europe will become more expensive.)

We will stomp to the top with the wind in our teeth.

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(07-26-2019 02:02 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  
(07-26-2019 01:00 PM)Baron De Cyr Wrote:  On the other hand, i feel with the rise of instagram travel celebs, there has been an over saturation in travel photos, people being inspired to go on vacation and even losing the sense of novelty about it.
I remember on dating apps like 5 years ago, telling girls about your travels was very wow to them. Now a days they hardly find it impressive as they've traveled too.

Bang on here, I sometimes its killed my own sense of curiosity, like they've already mapped the world with social media, where's the allure now? If I couldn't see it so easily through social media, my imagination would drive to see what was like for myself. You're never the first there (or at least once you could have the fantasy), travelling used to be a fairly private thing.

Some cunts think they're Shackelton now.

Yeah I always wondered why is it so important to take photos of the places? That shot was already done by 5 million other people. Same shit you see on the internet. The only unique thing for yourself is that you actually went there. Same for that whole video recording of events with the phones. There are 1000 identical recordings of it happening beside you. Why focus so much on recording it. Just live the moment.
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