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(08-07-2019 08:41 AM)perros Wrote:  Im trying to learn German, but I feel its so useless. No one outside of Germany speaks German.

Switzerland, Austria, and parts of northern Italy. I took German for 4 years in high school, did an exchange program there and was pretty close to fluent but haven't bothered to keep it up. Partially due to the fact that my personal interest has shifted to other parts of the world (sped along by the "cultural enrichment" of Germany) but also because just about everyone you're likely to interact with as a foreigner in any of the German-speaking countries speaks English. Learned Mandarin in the military and have enough on my plate language-wise between keeping that up and trying to learn Spanish.

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If you guys want to sound more like a local and less like a college professor, I found some books that would totally help with that. They're the D!rty _____ books. It teaches the slang of the language that you're learning, from what's up all the way to fuck you. Since most of us are planning to use languages to connect with the native speakers, I'm sure knowing some slang would come in handy. I asked a native Spanish speaker to confirm some of the lingo, and it checked out.

Something else I really like is that they tell you what region the slang is used in. I'm sure you know Brit slang is way different from the good ole USA's, so the benefit should be obvious.

Just plug your language in the blank and see what they have. I can tell you there's: Spanish, Korean, Japanese, Portuguese, Chinese (mandarin) and French. There's another series called Making Out in _____. I don't have any exp with those but they have good reviews.

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whitewashedblackguy, thank you.

I have the app now and am learning already.
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Glad you like it. Sucks you got banned already.

You guys might hit a point were the language your learning feels like it's in purgatory. Your speech skills might not seem like they're improving, even though your reading comprehension is pretty decent. Even though you're doing all this reading, you feel like you don't remember anything in conversation. It's a bit demoralizing.

For those of you in that area, start a daily diary in your target language. You'll be surprised at how much you actually know, and you'll find out what filler phrases you need to sound more natural when you talk. On top of that, it's far less stressful than talking to an actually human being, although that's important, of course.

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Isn't learning languages fun on it's own?

Here is how you make learning language fun:

Find a book, author, philosophy, religion, movie, cartoon or anything in that language you find interesting.

Learning that language is now fun for you.

You like manga? Japanese is automatically fun for you.

You want to read Bible? Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek is automatically fun for you.

You like Yoga? Hindu and Sanskrit is automatically fun for you.

You like history of ancient Rome? Latin and Italian is automatically fun for you.

You like western philosophy? Greek and German is automatically fun for you.

You like opera? Italian is automatically fun for you.

You like history of the age of exploration? Spanish and Portuguese is automatically fun for you.

You like history of WW2? English, German and Russian is automatically fun for you.
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(09-05-2019 01:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  Isn't learning languages fun on it's own?

Here is how you make learning language fun:

Find a book, author, philosophy, religion, movie, cartoon or anything in that language you find interesting.

Learning that language is now fun for you.

You like manga? Japanese is automatically fun for you.

You want to read Bible? Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek is automatically fun for you.

You like Yoga? Hindu and Sanskrit is automatically fun for you.

You like history of ancient Rome? Latin and Italian is automatically fun for you.

You like western philosophy? Greek and German is automatically fun for you.

You like opera? Italian is automatically fun for you.

You like history of the age of exploration? Spanish and Portuguese is automatically fun for you.

You like history of WW2? English, German and Russian is automatically fun for you.

I know plenty of people that love anime, but fail to learn Japanese. Lots of people love salsa music, but fail to learn Spanish. That's because the traditional way of actually sitting down and figuring out how the language works sucks. I don't know how you felt about Spanish in High School, but I hated it. But now I enjoy it.

Thinking a language and culture is cool, and actually sitting down and learning it, are two totally different things. You should watch the videos I have linked on the first page. It'll give you insight on what I mean by fun.

African-Americans were horrified that the history of their ancestors was being, quite literally, whitewashed.
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(09-05-2019 07:13 PM)whitewashedblackguy Wrote:  
(09-05-2019 01:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  Isn't learning languages fun on it's own?

Here is how you make learning language fun:

Find a book, author, philosophy, religion, movie, cartoon or anything in that language you find interesting.

Learning that language is now fun for you.

You like manga? Japanese is automatically fun for you.

You want to read Bible? Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek is automatically fun for you.

You like Yoga? Hindu and Sanskrit is automatically fun for you.

You like history of ancient Rome? Latin and Italian is automatically fun for you.

You like western philosophy? Greek and German is automatically fun for you.

You like opera? Italian is automatically fun for you.

You like history of the age of exploration? Spanish and Portuguese is automatically fun for you.

You like history of WW2? English, German and Russian is automatically fun for you.

I know plenty of people that love anime, but fail to learn Japanese. Lots of people love salsa music, but fail to learn Spanish. That's because the traditional way of actually sitting down and figuring out how the language works sucks. I don't know how you felt about Spanish in High School, but I hated it. But now I enjoy it.

Thinking a language and culture is cool, and actually sitting down and learning it, are two totally different things. You should watch the videos I have linked on the first page. It'll give you insight on what I mean by fun.

The gold standard is girls that speak the target language but not your own.
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^^^
It’s up there.

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I gave the forever fluent app a crack with the two week trial, but it was buggy as all hell and constantly crashed. Was only ever able to complete the first lesson with before a crash out of the app.

If they can get it to actually work consistently I might be interested, but as it stands it's functionally useless to me.
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How is using this on a language you're learning from scratch?
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(09-06-2019 12:33 AM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  How is using this on a language you're learning from scratch?

It's the best way. You won't have to unlearn any bad habit from learning it somewhere else.

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(09-06-2019 12:28 AM)Bluey Wrote:  I gave the forever fluent app a crack with the two week trial, but it was buggy as all hell and constantly crashed. Was only ever able to complete the first lesson with before a crash out of the app.

If they can get it to actually work consistently I might be interested, but as it stands it's functionally useless to me.

That's a shame the app sucks, but it's not necessary to use it. I go through the punctuation trainer, the first 625 words, grammar, and beyond all on Anki. FF provides the PT and the soundbites for the 625, and then I take examples from grammar books and tie them to pics that make sense. After that, picking up some books on slang, idioms, flirting, and actual novels seems like the best way to fill in the rest.

Don't give up on the method because of the shitty app. FF is still better than 99% of shit out there, IMO. You'll just have to be a little more hands.

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What exactly is the punctuation trainer?
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My bad, it should say 'pronunciation' trainer.

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(09-05-2019 07:13 PM)whitewashedblackguy Wrote:  I know plenty of people that love anime, but fail to learn Japanese. Lots of people love salsa music, but fail to learn Spanish. That's because the traditional way of actually sitting down and figuring out how the language works sucks. I don't know how you felt about Spanish in High School, but I hated it. But now I enjoy it.

Thinking a language and culture is cool, and actually sitting down and learning it, are two totally different things. You should watch the videos I have linked on the first page. It'll give you insight on what I mean by fun.

What makes you think I had Spanish in high school?

I have learned all my foreign languages from computer games, TV and books on subjects that interest me.

I cannot relate. I always had fun learning languages.

Every child outside USA and Russia has fun learning languages. Only the imperialist children think they don't need them. Until they grow up and want to escape on some level.

I have my own method.
First thing you learn is pronouns. From there you can go learning about 100 most common verbs and their conjugations. Then you can add nouns and adjectives indefinitely.

Stressing about pronunciation and accent is stupid. You are never going to sound like a local unless you live in the environment of that language for a decade or so.

Unless you plan on being a spy, accents make you more interesting anyway.
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(09-06-2019 05:54 PM)Mage Wrote:  
(09-05-2019 07:13 PM)whitewashedblackguy Wrote:  I know plenty of people that love anime, but fail to learn Japanese. Lots of people love salsa music, but fail to learn Spanish. That's because the traditional way of actually sitting down and figuring out how the language works sucks. I don't know how you felt about Spanish in High School, but I hated it. But now I enjoy it.

Thinking a language and culture is cool, and actually sitting down and learning it, are two totally different things. You should watch the videos I have linked on the first page. It'll give you insight on what I mean by fun.

What makes you think I had Spanish in high school?

I have learned all my foreign languages from computer games, TV and books on subjects that interest me.

I cannot relate. I always had fun learning languages.

Every child outside USA and Russia has fun learning languages. Only the imperialist children think they don't need them. Until they grow up and want to escape on some level.

I have my own method.
First thing you learn is pronouns. From there you can go learning about 100 most common verbs and their conjugations. Then you can add nouns and adjectives indefinitely.

Stressing about pronunciation and accent is stupid. You are never going to sound like a local unless you live in the environment of that language for a decade or so.

Unless you plan on being a spy, accents make you more interesting anyway.

What makes you think I want a perfect accent? It's about learning how to hear what people are saying, and then learning how to 'roll your r's'. Kinda hard to communicate if people don't even know what you're saying.

For the extreme, let's talk about Chinese or Vietnamese. One false tone can be the difference between calling someone a horse instead of your friend. It has nothing to do with an accent, like Brit vs American. It's about pronunciation, like 'I read yesterday' vs 'I read now'.

Anyways, FF is similar to what you do to learn, and most people don't decide to learn like this. Most go to school for two-four years, or they're exposed to multiple languages while they're young. Maybe you don't get it because you didn't learn a language in school, but you have to understand that they make it as boring as humanly possible.

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(09-06-2019 06:01 PM)whitewashedblackguy Wrote:  Anyways, this is similar. Learn the top 625, then grammar, then the rest. Maybe it's because you didn't go to school to learn a language, but you have to understand that they make it as boring as humanly possible.

What makes you think I didn't go to school to learn a language.

I absolutely had languages in school but you are right and nobody learns languages at school.

Outside big countries like USA and to lesser extent Russia children find learning languages fun and do it on their own trough exposure of foreign computer games and television.

If the method is similar then its nothing that new or unique really.

I thought you concentrate on pronunciation because it was first point of your method in OP.

If by that you thought how to tell a words spoken form from written form and vice versa, then you are right.

The trick is that some languages like English have no reliable rules to tell written form from spoken form and vice versa. In some other languages like French it works one way but doesn't work other way. In other languages it works both ways.

So for instances when learning Franch you must start with the written form, because you will be able to deduce spoken form from it but not the other way around. When learning Russian you better start with spoken form, because you will be able to deduce written form relatively easily and you will be able to start speaking sooner that way.

English is shitty language in that regard that even English own kids have spelling contests. I know of no other language where that would make sense.
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(09-06-2019 06:16 PM)Mage Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 06:01 PM)whitewashedblackguy Wrote:  Anyways, this is similar. Learn the top 625, then grammar, then the rest. Maybe it's because you didn't go to school to learn a language, but you have to understand that they make it as boring as humanly possible.

What makes you think I didn't go to school to learn a language.

I absolutely had languages in school but you are right and nobody learns languages at school.

Outside big countries like USA and to lesser extent Russia children find learning languages fun and do it on their own trough exposure of foreign computer games and television.

If the method is similar then its nothing that new or unique really.

I thought you concentrate on pronunciation because it was first point of your method in OP.

If by that you thought how to tell a words spoken form from written form and vice versa, then you are right.

The trick is that some languages like English have no reliable rules to tell written form from spoken form and vice versa. In some other languages like French it works one way but doesn't work other way. In other languages it works both ways.

So for instances when learning French you must start with the written form, because you will be able to deduce spoken form from it but not the other way around. When learning Russian you better start with spoken form, because you will be able to deduce written form relatively easily and you will be able to start speaking sooner that way.

English is shitty language in that regard that even English own kids have spelling contests. I know of no other language where that would make sense.

Sounds like we're on the same page then. Yeah, English rules are pretty bad. But there's another language where a spelling bee would make sense. Look up Thai writing system on YT and see what you find.

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(08-07-2019 08:41 AM)perros Wrote:  Im trying to learn German, but I feel its so useless. No one outside of Germany speaks German.
A lot of people outside of Germany speak German, a fair few Czech and Polish girls speak German, hell I'd say if they have poor English, German is a solid option.

German is preferred for business in the EU due to the juggernaut that Germany is and will open up opportunities career-wise, you also have places in Africa and Latin America that speak German.

Anecdotally, I've had success using German to communicate in France and Italian hotels, restaurants etc rather than English or the local language. German also opens up the gates to learning a Scandinavian language or Dutch, of which Dutch is genuinely pointless.
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Has anyone tried this with Russian?
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I'm quite interested, but the Android app is completely non functional. It won't log me in on mobile, despite being able to do so on the web.

Guess I'll wait for an update and cross my fingers.
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(09-10-2019 01:20 PM)JiggyLordJr Wrote:  I'm quite interested, but the Android app is completely non functional. It won't log me in on mobile, despite being able to do so on the web.

Guess I'll wait for an update and cross my fingers.

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That's a shame the app sucks, but it's not necessary to use it. I go through the punctuation trainer, the first 625 words, grammar, and beyond all on Anki. FF provides the PT and the soundbites for the 625, and then I take examples from grammar books and tie them to pics from google that make sense. After that, picking up some books on slang, idioms, flirting, and actual novels seems like the best way to fill in the rest.

Don't give up on the method because of the shitty app. FF is still better than 99% of shit out there, IMO. You'll just have to be a little more hands on.

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(09-11-2019 01:51 PM)whitewashedblackguy Wrote:  
(09-10-2019 01:20 PM)JiggyLordJr Wrote:  I'm quite interested, but the Android app is completely non functional. It won't log me in on mobile, despite being able to do so on the web.

Guess I'll wait for an update and cross my fingers.

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That's a shame the app sucks, but it's not necessary to use it. I go through the punctuation trainer, the first 625 words, grammar, and beyond all on Anki. FF provides the PT and the soundbites for the 625, and then I take examples from grammar books and tie them to pics from google that make sense. After that, picking up some books on slang, idioms, flirting, and actual novels seems like the best way to fill in the rest.

Don't give up on the method because of the shitty app. FF is still better than 99% of shit out there, IMO. You'll just have to be a little more hands on.

So you buy the product just to manually put all the stuff in Anki? Why not just use Anki from the start?
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(09-11-2019 02:14 PM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:51 PM)whitewashedblackguy Wrote:  
(09-10-2019 01:20 PM)JiggyLordJr Wrote:  I'm quite interested, but the Android app is completely non functional. It won't log me in on mobile, despite being able to do so on the web.

Guess I'll wait for an update and cross my fingers.

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That's a shame the app sucks, but it's not necessary to use it. I go through the punctuation trainer, the first 625 words, grammar, and beyond all on Anki. FF provides the PT and the soundbites for the 625, and then I take examples from grammar books and tie them to pics from google that make sense. After that, picking up some books on slang, idioms, flirting, and actual novels seems like the best way to fill in the rest.

Don't give up on the method because of the shitty app. FF is still better than 99% of shit out there, IMO. You'll just have to be a little more hands on.

So you buy the product just to manually put all the stuff in Anki? Why not just use Anki from the start?

Years before there was an app, Fluent Forever was a system to use Anki. His book and his early instructionals were all built around Anki, and he included pre-made Anki decks in some cases.
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https://youglish.com

This is a great site which essentially allows you to search a word in the language you want to hear it in such as French, Spanish, Chinese, Italian, Portuguese and German. Then it presents many youtube videos with English subtitles and the exact subtitles of the native language you are hearing it in. It is a free service and the video options are endless.

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