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What has contributed most to the social incompetency of young men?
I'm very curious to know the forums opinion on a particular topic.

What has contributed the most to the social incompetency of the young adult men of this generation when it comes to dealing with women? I live in The United States but this might also apply in Canada and Europe.

A lot of men of other generations blame the social incompetence and awkwardness of young men on the absence of fathers from young boy's development since a lot of boys now a days are raised by single mothers. I have a different opinion. I was in middle school/ high school in the early to mid 2000's, graduated HS in 2007. Most boys I knew, including myself, spent their afternoons playing video games or surfing the web. This was before Facebook, Instagram and Snapchat. Over the years I've known plenty of above average looking kids(relatives, sibblings of friends) who have simply checked out and are not dealing with women at all. They spend their free time playing video games or goofing around with their friends. When I ask them why, they say because they don't know how to talk to women they like or they give me some super blue pill answer like "I want a meaningful relationship".

So while the majority of these 19,20,21 year old boys are on the sidelines, most girls of the same age are out there jumping on every cock they can get their hands on and gaining experience.

These boys should be out on the prowl looking for meat, not playing video games and jerking off. I am genuinely saddened by the state of young men in America today. I wish I could help them.
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RE: What has contributed most to the social incompetency of young men?
One thing I've noticed as I try to shed being a people pleaser is that you always get told how to act by your mom, which is how women act. They always try to smile and appear pleasant, avoid awkwardness, avoid direct conflict. Men interact differently. You don't have to always avoid these things and appear pleasent, or you get no respect and make things weird. You get taught that fighting is wrong, but sometimes that's how men get emotions out and bond, giving eachother a hard time. I heard this quote somewhere:

"Women say nice things to each other and dont mean it. Men say mean things to each other and don't mean it."
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RE: What has contributed most to the social incompetency of young men?
(07-26-2019 05:54 PM)FresnoState1776 Wrote:  I'm very curious to know the forums opinion on a particular topic.

What has contributed the most to the social incompetency of the young adult men of this generation when it comes to dealing with women? I live in The United States but this might also apply in Canada and Europe.

A lot of men of other generations blame the social incompetence and awkwardness of young men on the absence of fathers from young boy's development since a lot of boys now a days are raised by single mothers. I have a different opinion. I was in middle school/ high school in the early to mid 2000's, graduated HS in 2007. Most boys I knew, including myself, spent their afternoons playing video games or surfing the web. This was before Facebook, Instagram and Snapchat. Over the years I've known plenty of above average looking kids(relatives, sibblings of friends) who have simply checked out and are not dealing with women at all. They spend their free time playing video games or goofing around with their friends. When I ask them why, they say because they don't know how to talk to women they like or they give me some super blue pill answer like "I want a meaningful relationship".

So while the majority of these 19,20,21 year old boys are on the sidelines, most girls of the same age are out there jumping on every cock they can get their hands on and gaining experience.

These boys should be out on the prowl looking for meat, not playing video games and jerking off. I am genuinely saddened by the state of young men in America today. I wish I could help them.

I agree on the video games, "prowl looking for meat" is a little creepy though. How bout, "making connections with girls".

I'm a product of a single mom with no father relationship. I have way more grit than the dual parent kids I know and I'm probably 300% more socially adept than most guys. I've always done well with women, even before I knew about "game". I had to fend for myself a lot as a kid, that's why. A bad father around is worse than no father. My father was an abusive drug addict and my mother protected me from him.
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RE: What has contributed most to the social incompetency of young men?
Things compound one on top of the other.

The lack of the father in the home is the big one.

Then the internet came and got rid of most mens clubs and associations in quick time.

Then came social media which is turning the entire human race into literal freaks and zombies.

Plus immigration in places like Europe which is also destroying communities.

I feel sorry for the young guys I see these days, I'm embarrassed for them.
Not all, there's some tough, red pilled, interesting guys around
but so many are just lost - all with the same clothes, haircuts, attitude and act. As if that is the answer to how to be a man.
My fear is that there is really nothing underneath the front.

Being around real men day in, day out is what's missing.

Doesn't have to be Super Alphas. Just spending free time around working men of all ages, shapes and sizes. Bitching about their fridge installation, their teen girlfriend, or their teen kids, the police hassling them or police bitching about the stupid shits they have to arrest.

I played a game once as a teen against a works team from Luton's (Tommy Robinsons Luton) Vauxhall Car Plant. They had a key player who was old as the hills but wily as anything and vicious to boot, they had another old guy who thought he was a tough nut. Another old guy got him in a clinch and he was yelling - "I'm gonna kill you!!" - everybody stopped and even the refereee started laughing. The old guy on our team kept hold of him and said "mate, I don't know about you but Ive gotta get up for work on Monday morning".
All bought each other beers in the bar afterwards.

Now with the internet now ..
Not so much communities of men.
Rather Men young and old going on about this-and-that.. fucking life hack, this app, that app, lookism, intermittent fasting, DMT, mewing, beard.., the walnut diet, fucking octopus diet, do fucking octopus yoga, keto, fucking man bun, man bun, tattoo.

It's sad to see.
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RE: What has contributed most to the social incompetency of young men?
So what are things that young men can do to turn things around?
I'm thinking playing sports with other men is a good one. It's easy to get into and not awkward because you are focused on playing the sport.
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RE: What has contributed most to the social incompetency of young men?
I was raised by a single father, strong personality, a ladies man even, who I had a close relationship with. My parents divorced when I was young. I grew up with WEAK natural skills when it comes to women. I strongly believe there's more at play than just an alpha male role model in life, such as a healthy example for male-female dynamics from your parents, no "absence" by mother, ability to trust people, etc.

Not contesting that being raised by a single mom is probably way tougher, but just pointing out that a strong single dad isn't an automatic path to mad skillz with the ladies either.
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RE: What has contributed most to the social incompetency of young men?
(07-26-2019 05:54 PM)FresnoState1776 Wrote:  What has contributed the most to the social incompetency of the young adult men of this generation when it comes to dealing with women? I live in The United States but this might also apply in Canada and Europe.

I think a substantial problem is that many young men are scared off from approaching and trying moves on girls due to the heavy presence of radical feminism and the "me too" bullshit. All their lives they're told that men are bad, that men's sexual desires are wrong, and that any awkward sexual advance without affirmative, notarized consent forms is the equivalent of rape. They see many of their peers reported and ostracized for sexual harassment over saying the wrong thing to the wrong girl. When you're young and awkward and need to experiment with girls to figure out what works and what doesn't, but you know the wrong approach could lead to being expelled from school or even arrested - what exactly do you think that would do to the male psyche? I can't blame those men from refusing to even try and retreating into their personal hobbies.

I even have direct firsthand experience with this. Back when I was 14 in 2000, I had the police called on me by a girl's parents because I made a dark joke in an e-mail to her during an awkward attempt to flirt with her. My little joke got blown way out of proportion, and I received a serious talking-to from both the police and my school principal the next day. Having my first serious attempt to flirt with a girl end up this way completely scared me off from even trying with girls for the rest of middle school and all of high school, putting me way socially behind by the time I got to college to the point I never even hooked up with a girl until after college. I do okay with girls now, nearly 20 years later, but I'd be lying if I said that trauma doesn't still haunt me. Sometimes I wonder if my social development would have been any different if my first awkward attempt to flirt had simply been brushed off as just what it was.

I can only imagine how much worse the culture and climate has gotten for the boys in middle school and high school today.

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RE: What has contributed most to the social incompetency of young men?
Materialistic and short term culture.

Men need principles to live by, yet the superficial, attention seeking and 'quick results' way of life is the dominant culture.
That way is perfect for the feminine- that is how a woman thinks- but terrible for the masculine.

When a man holds firm to true principles, he thrives. Men are literally being taught the opposite, though.
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I don't think young men are socially incompetent at all. I think the concept is a "clown world" media creation. In medialand, up is down, good is bad, and black is white.

The media lies about violent inner city criminals being "gentle giants," about single mothers being "strong" (as opposed to morally abhorrent), about the Muslim religion being "the religion of peace," and about the male-female pay gap which does not exist.

These are just four examples of media deception.

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There was a recent incident in which a young white man got into a car accident in Detroit, and when he got out of his car to assess the damage, he was beaten to death.

This story did not go national. Why? Because the media and tech oligarchy saw to it that it didn't. Google alters search results for political reasons. Newspaper companies choose which national wire stories to run.

In other words, out "outer reality" is largely a fictional creation. And it's not to be believed.

What is to be believed? What we see with our own eyes. The younger guys I see at the hardware store, at the supermarket, and on my street don't seem awkward at all.
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I think a large part of it is young men being robbed of the status that used to be naturally rewarded to them in the past for being a working man, contributor to the community and having a place on societal hierarchy etc. Status is key when socialising, you can have all the witty anecdotes and cool life experiences ready to divulge. But if people don't view you in a position that you're worth talking to, it becomes very difficult to actually have meaningful conversations and encounters. That's why most girls seem to posses the gift of the gab from an early age, whereas men tend to take into their mid 20s and beyond to develop their 'charisma'.

Men of previous generations could forgo having some charisma, if they had a respectable profession or a job which put them around big groups of working men. Nowadays a lot of those professions have been eroded by the increase in student numbers/degrees becoming a common thing. People don't hold lawyers with the same prestige they did 30 or so years ago; and large scale industries of men working together don't exist in the same numbers they used to.

Today young men are left with jobs which people don't give them (enough) credit for, and which are generally quite isolating.
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I am an older guy raised by a single mother as oldest child of three. One thing you have to live forever with is intentionally going against deeply ingrained behavior under emotional pressure. That behavior is essential for surviving the unchecked wrath of dragon as a child, but doesn't help in adult life at all. You have to learn every healthy habit after the fact and then always keep in tight control of yourself, especially around women.

Of course most men with that background do not manage to do so.

One advantage is that you can see all the red flags instantly. When you meet a single mum working in public service making decent buck who is proudly presenting her 10 year old boy who is "good with the girls" (because he is a little girl himself) and is "doing well" except for breaking some windows in a house (starting his crime career early as usual). It's so typical that I already know how the poor child is going to steal and do drugs later and still live with his mom, when he hits 30 without ever having seen a pussy.

One thing is that the typical single mother is completely incapable of is selecting decent male company. She is unable to do that for herself and therefore can't prevent her son ending up in the wrong neighborhoods. Also children of working single mothers are mostly on their own anyway.
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Honestly think a big often unspoken problem, is people dont want to act out of the norm IRL due to the prevalence of smart phones. Years ago we'd go clubbing in the mid 90s on friday nights, do e's, stay out dancing all night, never thinking 'someone might film me and put me on youtube'. Next day after a sleep in the afternoon we'd go out in the evening go to some cheesy bar get drunk and just take the piss, dancing outrageously, mess around, hit on girls, just be totally self-entertained. People do the same now, some sassy twat or passive aggressive dick could be at the bar fiming it.

Same applies for a lot of bad behaviou not getting auto-corrected by society. Twats on busses being rude or aggressive, swearing a lot or confrontational. I'm guilty of hearing this and first thing is i want to tell the to shut the fuck up, then i think, if it escalates and gets confrontational some dick's going to pull a phone out and i could end up on some video either knocking this guy out, or in some screaming match or whatever.

It's stifling. The results of a self-surveilling society. Everywhere you go now, anything even somewhat remarkable occurs and lasts for more than 10-15 seconds, someone's pulling their phone out. Grim
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RE: What has contributed most to the social incompetency of young men?
Porn, #metoo, smartphones, divorce, video games, declining wages, multiculturalism

Recipe for disaster

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Bitchy whiney entitled young men.

Nothing comes easy.

Blame someone or something, how about looking in the mirror.

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Moral of the story is that it's no single factor.

That being said, technology underpins the entire thing. Career success in the information age requires brain more than brawn, focused introversion rather than extroversion. These favor beta social behaviors which don't lead to success with women.

Even someone like Elon Musk, despite his seemingly masculine workaholism, is really only able to attract women due to his money because he's basically an undiagnosed stutterer with no actual charisma (certainly not like how Tony Stark is in the MCU). And he's an Adonis compared to Gates, Bezos, or Zuck.

Outside of your usual sports figures, actors, and rock stars there are no masculine role models. Just about all young(ish) captains of industry of started as computer geeks.

In other words, there is a disconnect between what 21st century society needs from men to keep the lights on and the what the reptilian brain of women still want. Due to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, most men will shoot for career success first, women second. So they will follow the incentives of career success towards intellectual careers, hence becoming socially stunted.
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RE: What has contributed most to the social incompetency of young men?
Endocrine disruption.
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RE: What has contributed most to the social incompetency of young men?
That's simple: hard times make strong men, easy times make weak men.

I would recommend to any 18 old guy join army for one year at least. But I have noticed a lot of desertions because some guys are so mental weak that they can't stay 3 days in army.

Kick out some hollywood movies, romantic books, drama shows or any toxic thing. My grandpa was an "ideal men", he could literally survive in a jungle, build a house alone or anything but he was stupid as a rock cuz never entered in a school.

Now people can have both (manly and intelligence) but prefer the easy way.
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RE: What has contributed most to the social incompetency of young men?
A [Spending all of their time isolated playing videos games/ surfing the web] is a subset of B [Being Raised by single mothers(lack of masculine role models)].
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(07-27-2019 11:48 AM)redbeard Wrote:  Porn, #metoo, smartphones, divorce, video games, declining wages, multiculturalism

Recipe for disaster

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I think the pareto principle was always at play. Getting great with women was always something that was revered because it was rare and/or difficult. This is why Casanova was known in history. Whilst he was one of the firsts, a lot of players now actually get better success with him.

I think now in the age of the internet we are more aware of how well the top top guys are doing as well as things are more visible and global.

My parents are still together and get along quite well still. I had lots of friends growing up but I too still had to really claw my way up to get success because societal programming, shame etc. that sneaks up into your psyche growing up has to be transcended with more accurate + positive mental models.
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(07-27-2019 12:05 AM)FullThrottleTX Wrote:  I agree on the video games, "prowl looking for meat" is a little creepy though. How bout, "making connections with girls".

I apologize for wording it in such a crude primitive mannor. Men are attracted to women and wheather a man is looking for a hookup or a long term gf, he still must go out there and get it because only genetic celebrities get approached by women.
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RE: What has contributed most to the social incompetency of young men?
I am an older guy, technically I am your indirect competition.

My advice to younger guys that are willing to listen.

Stop whining.
Lift and get your body in the best shape possible, you don't need TRT. Lose the belly.
Dress well, not the latest trendy fashions. Get a style that will last, get one decent suit and a decent pair of dress shoes.
Make money, invest in something. Either yourself or some tangible thing.
Socialize, talk to everyone. Young, old, male, female, someone from every other culture.
Travel to every continent and learn as many languages possible.

Control the things you can (i.e video games etc).


Don't focus on the things you cannot control (i.e - divorce, multiculturism etc)

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