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TRT, early or later i life?
A question came up with a group of friends last night.

We were discussing TRT, to which point I said that when I turn 30, I'm definitely getting on it.

I told them all the usual info. That your levels start to drop off, that by this time you've hopefully spent a decade in the gym and you have proper muscle density, etc.

A bodybuilding friend of mine said "why not just start now then?"

I don't really have a great answer to that other than I've heard starting younger can put too much pressure on your endocrine system, so if you ever choose to get off you're kind of fucked.

This would be purely for optimization purposes for a guy who has an average level of T around 700, who is just greedy and wants it high as fuck forever.

TLDR: What's the difference between starting TRT in your mid 20's vs 30? Assuming you have already been in the gym for a long time, never touched any androgens before, etc.
(This post was last modified: 07-27-2019 11:11 AM by ArloDash.)
07-27-2019 11:01 AM
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RE: TRT, early or later i life?
As a man still in his early 20s, I would focus on my getting my food intake, work out and sports, stress levels, sleep, and eventually, sex life right, before thinking of TRT. TRT should be deferred as much as possible, no shortcuts.

Having said that OP, I do think that this is a great question, and I hope to get this information as well.
07-27-2019 11:24 AM
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RE: TRT, early or later i life?
I would stay off it as long as you can, unless you have eunuch level testosterone.

I think it’s more for older guys. I’ve been considering it myself for a couple of years, but haven’t made any moves to make it happen. I’m in my late 40’s.
07-27-2019 02:02 PM
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RE: TRT, early or later i life?
Why are all these TRT threads popping up when there’s already other ones that answer these questions?

Anyway, unless you legit need it I would avoid it as long as possible. I didn’t need it but started it at 33 because I wanted easier gains, overall it’s been good but I wish I had got my heavy drinking under control before I started.

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07-27-2019 08:02 PM
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RE: TRT, early or later i life?
If gains are your main goal, a proper roid stack would give you better results... but more importantly... cost you less! Something to think about!
07-27-2019 08:50 PM
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RE: TRT, early or later i life?
Well since this thread is up I'll ask my question here and hope somebody answers.

Question:
Has anybody here actually boost their testosterone through the traditional methods (zinc, better sleep, herbs, better diet) and if so by how much

Background:
I got my test checked and man oh man was it low, the Doctor told me it low average but man I feel like a complete bitch. My test levels were somewhere in the 500s but I want to say closer to 499 than 600. I workout constantly but I have been much less productive in the gym, I lost that "focus" I used to have which was kinda like tunnel vision and I could workout and go crazy (I miss that), My diet is TRASH I want to try the keto diet or the paleo diet as I love protein and fats, My sleep habits are also trash but I still get at least 5-6 hours of sleep, Not high quality sleep but sleep (I also have a really hard time going to sleep cause of my depression). I'm very depressed, plagued with deaths (lost 3 people this year) a horrible relationship which almost cucked me(literally as I was typing this she texted me and told me she never loved me), Losing a brother to a horrible woman who is tearing him down, $10000 in debt, problems after problems. Im 26 years old, 220 pounds with a bunch of muscle but alot of fat, Balding with a full beard.

Is there any hope for me to go from 500 to 700 with simple lifestyle changes?
07-28-2019 12:20 PM
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RE: TRT, early or later i life?
(07-28-2019 12:20 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  Well since this thread is up I'll ask my question here and hope somebody answers.

Question:
Has anybody here actually boost their testosterone through the traditional methods (zinc, better sleep, herbs, better diet) and if so by how much

Background:
I got my test checked and man oh man was it low, the Doctor told me it low average but man I feel like a complete bitch. My test levels were somewhere in the 500s but I want to say closer to 499 than 600. I workout constantly but I have been much less productive in the gym, I lost that "focus" I used to have which was kinda like tunnel vision and I could workout and go crazy (I miss that), My diet is TRASH I want to try the keto diet or the paleo diet as I love protein and fats, My sleep habits are also trash but I still get at least 5-6 hours of sleep, Not high quality sleep but sleep (I also have a really hard time going to sleep cause of my depression). I'm very depressed, plagued with deaths (lost 3 people this year) a horrible relationship which almost cucked me(literally as I was typing this she texted me and told me she never loved me), Losing a brother to a horrible woman who is tearing him down, $10000 in debt, problems after problems. Im 26 years old, 220 pounds with a bunch of muscle but alot of fat, Balding with a full beard.

Is there any hope for me to go from 500 to 700 with simple lifestyle changes?

Dude...what did I just read.

It's a miracle your test is as high as it is when you self admit to having a trash diet and trash sleep.

Yes. Obviously sleep, diet and lifting are necessary to having high T.

I did one summer of trash diet and trash sleep and I lost 20 pounds and could not even get my dick hard (true story) after a while. You're lucky.

I think the first thing you need to do is sort out your life before you consider anything else.

I'm sorry this stuff is going on, but I really think you need to get off the forum and start taking action in your own life if you want this stuff to get better.

This is pretty basic, but Jordan Peterson is a good person to read when you're at a very low point like this.

Best of luck.
07-28-2019 12:36 PM
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RE: TRT, early or later i life?
(07-27-2019 08:02 PM)scotian Wrote:  Why are all these TRT threads popping up when there’s already other ones that answer these questions?

Anyway, unless you legit need it I would avoid it as long as possible. I didn’t need it but started it at 33 because I wanted easier gains, overall it’s been good but I wish I had got my heavy drinking under control before I started.

Ouch. So what's that been like, drinking heavily while on TRT?

I've been told that's a huge no-no.
07-28-2019 12:38 PM
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RE: TRT, early or later i life?
@donfitz

Do the snake diet until you get lean.

As far as food to eat, check the vertical diet by stan efferding.

Also get a sleep study done to see if you have apnea or anything else. Listen to the doctor.

From personal experience I can tell you that my libido was basically nonexistent when I was 21 from a combination of garbage college food, heavy drinking, and shit sleep. After I graduated and cleaned up the diet (basically meat and rice with some vegetables) dropped 20 lbs and started working out smarter along with IF, my libido went through the roof.

Your test is not terrifically low, in all likelihood your body just isnt all that receptive anymore. You're likely too fat, which blunts test sensitivity. After you read this post just go ahead, mix up some snake juice, and do at least a 48 hour fast.

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07-29-2019 11:30 AM
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(07-28-2019 12:38 PM)ArloDash Wrote:  
(07-27-2019 08:02 PM)scotian Wrote:  Why are all these TRT threads popping up when there’s already other ones that answer these questions?

Anyway, unless you legit need it I would avoid it as long as possible. I didn’t need it but started it at 33 because I wanted easier gains, overall it’s been good but I wish I had got my heavy drinking under control before I started.

Ouch. So what's that been like, drinking heavily while on TRT?

I've been told that's a huge no-no.

It was ok, I had more mass then but was more bloated. I felt fine and looked good but feel way better now since I quit drinking.

Don’t sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things.
08-02-2019 10:59 PM
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RE: TRT, early or later i life?
There is no difference between starting trt in your mid 20s to starting when you are 40. I have never read about or met anyone who did not recover from injecting steriods from an early age. I also have many old friends who injected themselves with testosterone from starting when they were 16-18 years old for 3-7 years and came off and recovered fine with no issues. Its a myth that you need to be older to start because of the endocrine system...

So if you want inject it and if after 6 months if you think its overrated then come off. You will recover fine.(not right away... may take few months but after a year at most you will be back to normal)


Now that being said, if you dont workout seriously and your test levels are in normal range. There is no point in taking trt... I dont recommend trt if you have levels in range. Test levels arent the only reason for libido and erection issues. In fact, iv come off myself after 8 years of being on with no pct(not intentional, just had no access to test) for 2 months and my erections were normal, same with sex drive. I just came less.... and was more tired which i hated. And my test levels were proboably the same as an old man. I think there are other factors that play a role with these things such as depression, diet, anxiety, bodyfat%.

Also, you can drink heavy on trt.... TRT isnt unhealthy, you should have healthy liver, kidney, and lipid values... it doesnt effect it. So i dont see why drinking heavy would be a big no no on trt... One thing i realized is i dont get any hangovers after i started injecting myself with testosterone.



I do 250 mg a week and my blood pressure, lipids, liver/kidney values are in healthy range. And 250 mg a week is not a trt dose ... so id imagine a real trt dose would be even less harmful to you...






So really i only recommend TRT if you workout seriously or your test levels are below the normal range. But if its in range(even lower side) there is no point if you dont workout seriously. If you want to experiment with it then go for it. You can come off and recover fine despite what people think.

one of the negative things about trt is that it makes your face puffy(bloated). Seems to not be talked about a lot which is why im bringing it up. Look at Matt Ogus from youtube(he claims natural but he is full of shit). You see how shredded and lean he is but has a puffy face. Thats from injecting testosterone even with a small dose it will create a puffy face in most people.
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08-03-2019 08:57 PM
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RE: TRT, early or later i life?
Your testosterone levels slowly start declining once you reach your thirties. Until you reach middle age you should practically be capable of keeping your T-levels in check by making the right life style decisions.
08-05-2019 05:58 AM
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I went and got my results back from my blood test today. I am 40 years old. My overal testosterone is 213. My estrogen levels are 39. My LH whater level was fucked up. They said my pituitary gland is not functioning right. I do not feel depressed. But all I do is work, sllep, drink beer and eat shit foods. My cholesterol is low as fuck too. But blood gluclose and creatine leves were super high. I guess from drinking energy drinks all night.
08-08-2019 03:25 AM
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I think you guys have to get out from this culture of medication and pharmacy.
08-08-2019 03:26 AM
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