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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
(08-02-2019 12:36 AM)abt Wrote:  
(08-01-2019 11:23 PM)FresnoState1776 Wrote:  
(08-01-2019 10:55 PM)abt Wrote:  Sounds pretty rational. Why do guys get so upset over this.

What part of my comment are you referring to?

(08-01-2019 11:23 PM)FresnoState1776 Wrote:  She monkey branched over to a similar looking guy who came from a well off family, she eventually married the guy and when the inlaws die they will be set for life.

Nice attempt at trolling.
08-02-2019 02:49 AM
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
Yes they are

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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
(08-02-2019 02:49 AM)zeke_a88 Wrote:  
(08-02-2019 12:36 AM)abt Wrote:  
(08-01-2019 11:23 PM)FresnoState1776 Wrote:  
(08-01-2019 10:55 PM)abt Wrote:  Sounds pretty rational. Why do guys get so upset over this.

What part of my comment are you referring to?

(08-01-2019 11:23 PM)FresnoState1776 Wrote:  She monkey branched over to a similar looking guy who came from a well off family, she eventually married the guy and when the inlaws die they will be set for life.

Nice attempt at trolling.

I guess I could be in the wrong. Women can act rationally and guys can still get upset at the same time - the two concepts are not mutually exclusive. Love is not supposed to be rational - otherwise it could be considered 'transactional'. I've had a woman leave me for a richer guy before, and I did get extremely upset, but now I just assume that's going to happen a lot (but not all) of the time.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
Human beings are hypergamous. Western women and to the extreme online want to get the best because they think they can. They are just playing the hand they are dealt. Its like saying a famous actor, Leonardo for example is hypergamous, what else would you expect?

That said I know lots of good women that are happily in LTR's and are not looking for 'something better'.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
There wouldn't be that much hypergamy if the society would be divorce-shaming ; fat-shaming ; celibacy-shaming.

Women have to marry at much younger age to commit and to get the moral boundaries they deserve .

The way it s going now ; they can do what they want without being judged by society .

It became an absolutely normal thing to divorce and to grow a kid alone. When you think about it deeply it s an absurdity and the consequence of a godless society .

Hypergamy is probably in women s nature but can be minimised if the societies provides the right moral code.
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08-02-2019 07:58 AM
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
(07-30-2019 10:33 PM)Graft Wrote:  Are they more lazy/comfortable than hypergamous?
I'd say that from what I've seen they do get comfortable however on a night out, it's rare to see a girl who wouldn't take advantage of being out with the girls to neck on with a few guys, possibly go further for a drink or just because the guy is hot.

I have very little respect to a guy who willingly lets his girl go out and get it on with a bunch of guys before returning to him, I know at least two guys who have girlfriends that do this but I'm friends with the girls more than them so Banana
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
(08-02-2019 07:58 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  There wouldn't be that much hypergamy if the society would be divorce-shaming ; fat-shaming ; celibacy-shaming.

Women have to marry at much younger age to commit and to get the moral boundaries they deserve .

The way it s going now ; they can do what they want without being judged by society .

It became an absolutely normal thing to divorce and to grow a kid alone. When you think about it deeply it s an absurdity and the consequence of a godless society .

Hypergamy is probably in women s nature but can be minimised if the societies provides the right moral code.

Exactly. With the exception of Islam and a few other cultures in the third world, there is no moral code that shames women from acting on hypergamy w/o consequence.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
@fresnostate . There is . Traditional Catholicism provides this , and without the "humiliations" Islam has.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
(08-02-2019 05:57 AM)kazz Wrote:  Human beings are hypergamous. Western women and to the extreme online want to get the best because they think they can. They are just playing the hand they are dealt. Its like saying a famous actor, Leonardo for example is hypergamous, what else would you expect?

That said I know lots of good women that are happily in LTR's and are not looking for 'something better'.

I agree with the first paragraph but not the second. I doubt you are with them 24 hours of the day so you don't really know everything they are doing. It's kind of like knowing someone and actually dating them, there's a difference to it.

It's in their nature to look for something better and they will monkey branch at some point. Some do it in six months and others may take a decade or two, but odds are it's going to happen.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
(08-03-2019 09:45 AM)SilentOne Wrote:  
(08-02-2019 05:57 AM)kazz Wrote:  Human beings are hypergamous. Western women and to the extreme online want to get the best because they think they can. They are just playing the hand they are dealt. Its like saying a famous actor, Leonardo for example is hypergamous, what else would you expect?

That said I know lots of good women that are happily in LTR's and are not looking for 'something better'.

I agree with the first paragraph but not the second. I doubt you are with them 24 hours of the day so you don't really know everything they are doing. It's kind of like knowing someone and actually dating them, there's a difference to it.

It's in their nature to look for something better and they will monkey branch at some point. Some do it in six months and others may take a decade or two, but odds are it's going to happen.

I find this to be generally true. The exception maybe being the women that are in traditional communities (religious, ethnic or otherwise) in which they could be seriously shunned or face extreme backlash for "branching out". Even they probably want to, but the risk is too high.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
One interesting point about alpha vs beta bux dichotomy is that once the women secure their beta bux and break up with them nothing stops them from wanting and seeking commitment from an alpha. That’s Hypergamy to me
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
(08-02-2019 05:57 AM)kazz Wrote:  Human beings are hypergamous. Western women and to the extreme online want to get the best because they think they can. They are just playing the hand they are dealt. Its like saying a famous actor, Leonardo for example is hypergamous, what else would you expect?

That said I know lots of good women that are happily in LTR's and are not looking for 'something better'.

This is false only women are hypergamous from a mating perspective. They want to get the best man that they can get and they'll trade up if they're able to do so regardless if the man they were with did everything for her (briffaults law). Also you have no idea what the women are thinking, you can't read their mind. Perhaps they don't act on their hypergamous urges out of morals or imo because of circumstances, but the biological urge is there regardless.

Men are polygamous, their imperative is to mate with as many women as possible. The actor analogy is completely irrelevant.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
Everyone is a maximizer. The term hypergamous is too specific.

Men want the best woman they can get (assuming they're married and can only have one). Men want the best job, car, house, etc. they can get.

So do women. So do all human beings.

The only divergence is between short term and long term.
For a man, who he can get short term and long term is pretty similar in quality.
But for a woman, men are always trying to deceive them so it's tricky to decide who is best long term vs short term.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
(08-04-2019 10:25 PM)abt Wrote:  Everyone is a maximizer. The term hypergamous is too specific.

Men want the best woman they can get (assuming they're married and can only have one). Men want the best job, car, house, etc. they can get.

So do women. So do all human beings.

The only divergence is between short term and long term.
For a man, who he can get short term and long term is pretty similar in quality.
But for a woman, men are always trying to deceive them so it's tricky to decide who is best long term vs short term.

We are talking about a gender's mating strategy and they are fundamentally different between men and women. We are being specific here because what women and want men want are completely different. Men don't just want one woman, that is a cultural norm to restrict men's baser urges which is to mate with as many women as possible. We are biologically inclined to spread our seed as much as possible.

There's nothing right now to restrict women's baser urges which is completely unrestrained hypergamy. Read some rationale male and chateau heartiste. Hypergamy being unique to women isn't even just acknowledged by red pillers it's acknowledged by psychologists as well.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
(08-05-2019 12:09 AM)zeke_a88 Wrote:  
(08-04-2019 10:25 PM)abt Wrote:  Everyone is a maximizer. The term hypergamous is too specific.

Men want the best woman they can get (assuming they're married and can only have one). Men want the best job, car, house, etc. they can get.

So do women. So do all human beings.

The only divergence is between short term and long term.
For a man, who he can get short term and long term is pretty similar in quality.
But for a woman, men are always trying to deceive them so it's tricky to decide who is best long term vs short term.

We are talking about a gender's mating strategy and they are fundamentally different between men and women. We are being specific here because what women and want men want are completely different. Men don't just want one woman, that is a cultural norm to restrict men's baser urges which is to mate with as many women as possible. We are biologically inclined to spread our seed as much as possible.

There's nothing right now to restrict women's baser urges which is completely unrestrained hypergamy. Read some rationale male and chateau heartiste. Hypergamy being unique to women isn't even just acknowledged by red pillers it's acknowledged by psychologists as well.

Agreed.

Weird example I've noticed - on the TV show 90 Day Fiance, the only couples that stay together are the ones that have kids pretty quickly. Everyone else usually gets divorced. Even if the guy is broke and the girl is hot, she'll still stay with the guy if they have a kid together.

So maybe having kids together is one of the more effective ways of improving the chances of keeping a high-value woman.
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