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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
As an ex-military guy, you run into this from time to time. The shoulda/coulda crowd with regards to joining. Lots of "I was gonna/could have been be a ranger/SEAL/spec ops" folks out there.

If your options are bleak and you can do a relatively fun/fulfilling job with a good group of people, the military can be an amazing experience where you could see yourself doing 20 years and getting the pension. When it's good, it's REALLY good. Everything just gels and it's a really great feeling. On the other hand, if you had options, signed up, and ended up in a shit job with mostly shit people, you will feel like you're in a hellish prison for years on end.

In short, when it works, it's a good experience. When it doesn't, it's a living nightmare. Whatever ends up happening, you will build some character and have some interesting stories. That and your tolerance for BS will be both higher and lower if you know what I mean. Higher when necessary; lower when not. Good skill set to have all around for both professional and personal reasons.

The biggest reason to not join today in my opinion would be due to how the military really pumps and dumps its people medically and tries to deny responsibility for any negligence. Go look up "burn pits" and "military base water contamination" to see what I mean. You shouldn't sign your life away to an organization that has a multi-decade record of treating its people so badly.

Furthermore, I think A LOT of people underestimate the burden of being US government property for years and the possible consequences that can lead to:

1. You can't quit your job.

2. You might be force into a job you don't like for years on end.

3. You can't find a new boss.

4. You can't move to a place you like.

5. You can't get promoted faster based on merit (mostly).

6. You are on the clock 24/7/365.

7. There is no overtime. You can be forced to work 90 hours/week. Every week.

8. The politicians are constantly trying to find ways to screw you out of your benefits and create new ways for you to get killed; the military industrial complex needs its profits.

9. You could get kicked out/RIF'ed before your 20 through no fault of your own and get virtually nothing for over a decade of service.

10. You must accept being injected with dubious vaccines by dubious quality military doctors. You don't get to decide what goes into your body.

11. You will always have a boss over you that could legally force you to do something stupid that could get you killed or seriously injured. If you refuse, you will be placed in handcuffs.

12. If you live on-base, your higher ranking co-workers can pretty much raid your house at anytime for "inspections."

13. Now, you have to deal with women in combat roles, out and proud faggots, and an ultra PC environment in most areas of the military. Most military "leadership" are actually managers; not leaders. Big difference. Remember, they can get you killed. That or the weak ass wanna-be Captain Marvel female who can't carry the ammo backpack will get you killed instead.

If you join the USA military in 2019, you're really rolling the dice. I would do extensive homework about the branch and specific job you're going into before signing the dotted line. Broadly speaking, I wouldn't do it personally since there are plenty of other ways to earn your Man Card and serve your country outside the military.
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08-08-2019 12:32 AM
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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
Never have regretted joining but it was a different military. I was getting out as all the SWJ stuff was coming in. Now it's debatable whether or not the regular line troops can even win battles against a competent force.

I never saw joining the military as a career option really and saw joining in response to 9/11. My brother in law said that the military is in a firm mindset now of conducting "wars of imperialism" which seems pretty pointless. At least they don't care about "democracy spreading" during the Bush Obama years. Total train wreck and alot of us Americans aren't too happy about it.

The military did definitely help toughen me up but it's pretty PC mostly now. I doubt they fixed any of the social problems when I was in such as reforming family law, getting rid of "me-too" stuff before it went mainstream, etc.

The job and leadership is key. It's not something to do for the money but if you get your right job and have good leadership then you'll love it -note that I don't know about what constitutes good jobs and leadership with the SWJ military- especially if you are an officer I'd imagine.

If you are interested in combat arms join a police force swat team, secret service, or something similar might be a better option. They get paid more and it's more like an actual job. If it's in a big city then they most likely has a high turnover rate so you get in, accomplish what you want then get out. I wouldn't go for being a normal cop given all the bs they have to put up with seven in the news but I'm sure those positions are well paid.

I can imagine swat does not have to deal with all that.

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08-08-2019 02:31 AM
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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
Im not sure killing and terrorising goat herders in foreign lands for Israel, witnessing horrific shit, getting my leg blown off and sent home to a shitty pension with ptsd and the children of Israel in my homelands browbeating me everywhere I look that I am white-male scum that needs eradicating is the masculinity im looking for.
08-08-2019 03:17 AM
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(08-08-2019 03:17 AM)Sword and Board Wrote:  Im not sure killing and terrorising goat herders in foreign lands for Israel, witnessing horrific shit, getting my leg blown off and sent home to a shitty pension with ptsd and the children of Israel in my homelands browbeating me everywhere I look that I am white-male scum that needs eradicating is the masculinity im looking for.

Yeah, I don't regret never becoming a ZOGlodite soldier. Tho, i'd likely would've joined the Coast Guard if anything.
08-08-2019 04:58 AM
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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
I feel some regret - never went further than inquiry with recruiter. Surprised no one has cited this quote yet?

“Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier, or not having been at sea.” Samuel Johnson
08-08-2019 07:13 AM
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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
More on this:

Men have to learn to 'submit' to the process, just like women have to learn to 'submit' to a good man.

Men can say 'this job isn't good enough for me to work hard for'. That says more about them than it does about the job. If you cannot give your gifts in a lesser job, then you will not be disciplined enough to give your gifts in a better job.

A woman can say 'I need a guy to be 6ft tall, rich' etc etc but if she cannot show an ounce of feminine energy to someone who isn't that guy, it says more about her. She will never be able to keep the alpha Chad that she desires.

(08-07-2019 07:45 PM)Rorogue Wrote:  I regret not becoming a barrister. Dropped out at law school at 21 because I wanted 'freedom' and to pursue my 'creative side'. Did drunken stand up and ended up in rehab. Wasted my talent in my 20s.

Advice to young guys- get a skill that makes real $ in 20s. Will make you a better and stronger person.

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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
Isn't the military PC (a joke) now that they have to fill female quotas?

The best thing I ever did when I turned 30 and following ROK advise was becoming a labour. Working with women does your fucking head in!!! I've also quit many jobs when I have to work under a woman!
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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
One of the forum members made an amazing data sheet on what it’s like to be active duty in the US Air Force.

edit: found it https://www.rooshvforum.com/archive/inde...29991.html

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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
I always wanted to join the military, and I still do but Im 30 years old now. Probably too old for all branches of the military.
08-08-2019 10:25 AM
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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
I am not US citizen, so my point of view is maybe a little bit different. I live in small country, so it´s very different in comparison to USA. We don´t have branches, there´s just "army".
In short, I was wearing uniform since 15 years on military schools, was at above-average combat unit, now I am civilian and going back to the army in few months (at age 27).
It took a lot from me, but also gave a lot to me. I love how it contributed to my life, even though I often felt I am myssing a lot. My counclusion:
- If you don´t have different life goal like being doctor or whatever, do it. But don´t expect alpha male environment. Plan far ahead and take a military only as a opportunity to become the best of you physically and mentally and earn some good money for the future. And friends.
- Don´t settle with anything less than SF. Everything else is just not good enough. I haven´t been there and I kind of regret I didn´t strive for that, when I was younger and had a lot of time.

I would regret not joining military very much.

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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
I'd rather be a firefighter. Or civilian pilot, mariner, etc. Fuck all that military bullshit.
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My boomer dad always used to point at plumbers and construction workers and say, "that's why you don't drop out of college."

Yeah, I regret listening to that advice.

I'm medically DQed from the military, so that wasn't an option for me. Doubt I would qualify for a top secret clearance anyway. Would have loved to fight though.
08-08-2019 12:10 PM
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(08-08-2019 12:10 PM)VNvet Wrote:  My boomer dad always used to point at plumbers and construction workers and say, "that's why you don't drop out of college."

Yeah, I regret listening to that advice.

I'm medically DQed from the military, so that wasn't an option for me. Doubt I would qualify for a top secret clearance anyway. Would have loved to fight though.

My old neighbor, who was a vietnam navy veteran gunner and deaf from being in battleship turrets, used to tell his kids

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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
At present, the military exists for the sake of the Military-Industrial Complex. Its purpose is to dispose of the ordinance produced by industry, so that those in the arms industry can stay employed. Women are just as effective at doing this as men. War is slightly better than peace, because during peace you're restricted by training budgets; with war, going over-budget is permissable.

If I had a son who was considering the military today, I'd steer him towards the Coast Guard. It's military, without the blood on your hands.

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I was both a military officer and a cop. I have fond memories of both and I think I’m a better and more well-rounded person for having done them. With that said, I would not do it over again and would counsel my sons to avoid both the military and law enforcement. I don’t want them risking their lives for rich globalists or to protect street ferals from themselves. As far as being “tough” goes, there are plenty of pussies in the military and plenty of pretty tough people who never served a day. A DD-214 does not necessarily make you a Superman. Live your life, challenge yourself constantly-both physically and intellectually, and don’t worry about what you didn’t do or could have done in the past.
08-08-2019 01:41 PM
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What's the statistic?...

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08-09-2019 06:43 AM
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When my life is over and I look back on it... not serving will probably still be my greatest regret. It's not about acting for the public good, or whatever benefits. My good friends joined and fought while I worked on my career.
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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
I've been thinking about this quite a bit lately, with me having a pretty exhausting job this summer. My vision and an acute disability I had that might disqualify me aside, I think I'm far too anti-American to have enlisted. I mean, what made me political active was the blatant lying about starting the war in Iraq, and I was just a teenager then. To add to that, one of my uncles had a pretty bad experience during Desert Storm that involved exposure to chemical weapons and the US govt denying it afterwards.

The thought is about all that it is. I like my freedom to move too much. I would hate to live in the US again. I have above a Bachelor's degree so I'd probably have it pretty easy compared to a high school graduate or dropout, but no thanks. There are other ways to toughen yourself up.
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Every night before I go to sleep I get a hard on thinking about how I could have been maimed or could have died for Israel in any number of ways.

I truly regret not signing my life away and by extension my family's legacy to go die for a foreign nation in the middle of nowhere for people who wouldn't reciprocate those blood sacrifices to me or my family and who would openly scoff at it from a talmudic point of view.
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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
There have been times that I wish I had joined the military. Two of my closest buds in high school both joined Marines, both became snipers, served two tours and have that to bond over with forever. One became infamous as one of the few scout snipers that had the "SS" tattoo that made national headlines few years back.
Because of that he landed supplement and bodybuilding sponsors that eventually got him into muscle magazines and what not. The other is a family man just like I became.


I instead chose a different route as my WW2 grandfathers both advised me joining the military. So I've done electrician, demolition, finally ending up in warehouse logistics management where I have the same male camaradarie minus the female influence prevalent in the workplace.

Something about kicking ass and taking names still makes me think to what could have been with some bros I grew up with.

I doubt it. Remember that your lower level, millenial leftist isn't good at critical thinking. They're largely like trained dogs who emote in response to programmed cues like the word "racism" and "socialism". Easy_C

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For me it was never about wars for Israel, wars for oil, shooting brown people, globohomo or the military-industrial complex (and I don’t deny that all those things exist). It was far more about testing myself, being judged worthy or wanting by other more accomplished men, and the bonds that form between men who have shared hardship.

I served a total of 11 years between active duty Army and Guard, with one overseas deployment in Afghanistan and a few post-9/11 activations, including one six-month stint on the Mexican border. I graduated a variety of schools from infantry to airborne to armorer. I got to shoot every variety of weapon you can imagine, kick in doors, jump out of airplanes, air assault from helicopters, rappel down buildings, and blow up all kinds of things. I got to play with cool-guy gear like night vision and GPS before it was on everyone’s phone. I got to wear uniforms and boots and berets and have a bunch of metal dangling off the chest of my dress uniform (and yeah, the chicks do dig it). I’ve been shot at, mortared and rocketed (and yeah, it’s exciting).

But all that stuff pales in comparison to the men I served with and the moments we shared.

The first time I was addressed as a man was in basic training at Fort Benning, GA. Drill Sergeant Cody – a Panama vet, Ranger and Delta Force candidate – assembled the platoon of scrawny, pimply-faced teenagers he was expected to turn into 55 war machines. “Listen up, men!” he shouted. I perked right up, because no one had ever called me a man before, certainly not a tough and accomplished man like SFC Cody. And over the next 14 weeks, he turned us from high school kids into strong men, trained for battle and afraid of nothing. We’d have done anything to make him proud of us.

My father was an Army major when I was a lowly private in the infantry school. He came to Georgia for my company’s “turning blue” ceremony, where newly-graduated infantrymen are awarded the blue cord to wear on their dress uniform. We stood facing each other in our Class A uniforms, each of us swelling with different kinds of pride. He slid the cord up my arm and affixed it to my shoulder. He took a step back and we saluted one another, not as peers, but nonetheless with the respect a soldier accords another soldier. I won’t lie, each of us may have had slightly wet eyes.

A few short weeks later, I was at the airborne school, also at Fort Benning. It was Thanksgiving weekend, and Thanksgiving is far and away my favorite holiday. My classmates from infantry school had gotten their assignments and only two of them had also wound up at the airborne school. I desperately wanted to quit, as did my roommate, but we talked each other out of giving up and going home. Thanksgiving morning I was standing in front of the barracks, contemplating a Thanksgiving meal in the chow hall, when a battered VW Bug rolled up. A head poked out of it: Private Charles, one of the two men from my infantry class to come to the airborne school. “Get in, Private!” he shouted. I jumped in and away we drove, laughing, our other classmate already in the back seat. Charles was married and thus had an off-post apartment with his pregnant wife. He took us there and she served us a simple but beautiful dinner, enjoyed with friends. Two weeks later I ran into Charles on the quad, both of us wearing the maroon beret of the airborne and carrying our duffles, off to the next assignment (he to Ranger school, me to my unit). We said little, but we dropped our bags in the grass, stood at attention and saluted each other. We picked up our duffles, walked away and never spoke again.

Years later I was on the short list for an Iraq deployment. This was in 2005 when Iraq was getting very hot. The Army was desperate for anyone with a combat arms background, assembling Guard units basically ad hoc. I was called into the readiness NCO’s office and told to start getting my things on order, as I’d be going to Iraq in a few months. I expected this, of course, and went back outside and told my squadmates the news. My young friend Ray, a man ten years my junior and fairly new to the unit, piped up. “I’d better go volunteer. You have a wife and kid.” He trotted off to the readiness NCO’s office and put himself on the list. In the end, they took him instead of me. The man literally went to war in my place. No bitching, no complaints, just doing what he saw as his duty – not to America or the Army, but simply to me, his friend and fellow soldier.

Not all is happy, either. When I was on the border mission I befriended Josh, a fresh-faced young man just out of infantry school. Josh was really gung-ho to get a deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan so he could put his training to good use and feel the rush of combat. I was the old man in that friendship, and simply told him “You’ll get your chance. We’ll all get our chance.” A year and a half later I was counseling him in Afghanistan after an ambush where his squad leader and close friend was literally blown to pieces by an IED right before his eyes. Josh and I remain friends 12 years later. I am very, very glad I could be there for him on what he describes as the worst day of his life.

There are many other men and many other experiences from my time in the Army. I never think about how I served the interests of Israel or Big Oil, or the political correctness of today’s Army. None of that matters to me. I just remember the times – good and bad – spent with some of the best men I’ve ever known. I remember being tested to the point of physical, mental and psychological exhaustion and seeing it through to the end. I remember feeling the love and pride of family and friends as I stepped off the plane coming home from Afghanistan, marched into the airport hangar, and stood in a final formation with my brothers in arms.

I wouldn’t trade that for anything in this world.
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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
While not exactly regret over doing a "masculine" occupation, I have had some regrets in my twenties has been jumping right into the white collar world. On one hand, the money is good and unless the market crashes, there is stability and benefits (401k, health insurance, life, etc.). On the other, it is cut and dry, people are boring, there is corporate politics, hours can get long, and you travel a ton at times to places you do not want to be at.

I lived a very clean life for most of my adolescence and even college, always playing by the rules, getting good grades, employable major, and getting a good job afterwards. At 25 (turning 26 in a few months), I feel like I avoided the stuff that gets some guys into trouble.

What I do regret is not doing more of a "fun" type of job or in-between sort of job where I could have worked on my people skills, being around confident cool guys, and got hot girls as a result of it. I always envied the guy who spent a couple years being a DJ at some party location, club promoter, or bartending in his school days at the place everyone partied at. At times I feel like a part of my personality that could have developed into becoming more relatable and given me that extra cool factor just kind of got left there.

At this point I in my life it is too late for me to turn it around to enjoy something like that or being in that environment, if I did, I'd lose out on a lot of money. Thankfully I have managed to get a better friend group that loves going out but still deep down, I feel like a part of me is missing by not having done a fun job.

Who knows where life goes from here. Maybe if I become rich enough to where I don't have to work I can just do that as work for the fun of it.
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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
Why live with regrets? If you don't want full time there's always the national guard or reserves. Lowest age limit is I think 28 or something for the Marines and Coast Guard, 34 for navy, 35 for army and 39 for Air Force. If you're past those ages, well, I guess you're shit out of luck and just deal with it. Maybe you could police reserves or something if your backgrounds ok. I knew a cop reservist once who was like 55 when he went through the academy.

But then you still have actual men's work that makes the world go around. There's nothing holding any man back from making a change to do so except that man. Go on Craigslist under general labor or what is it the other trade section and start reaching out. You're starting at the bottom but at least your starting somewhere and getting out of an office doing make work and doing work the world actually needs. Unless someone explicitly says "experience required" , hell reach out to them. Tell them your eager to learn. Companies need bodies out there because no one wants to work. It ain't hard to break in and go swing a hammer instead of chickenscratchin keyboards. And whether you see it this way or not you are serving your country. Abrams tanks don't build homes. Howitzers don't keep the lights running. Mortars don't keep water flowing. And you can't eat bullets. Well, actually I guess you can.Confused

Edit* I guess this is a little personal for me. I had regrets about the military once upon a time. Went to military school so it seemed like the next logical step. But then I read a book on 9/11 and said fuck that. Worked a good job but felt like I was dying inside and growing up in the shadows of Vietnam and WWII vets I felt like I didn't measure up. But I took those steps I listed above. Dabbled in a trade for a bit and then wound up working in agriculture. And it has 100% filled that void about the military. But every mans different, what's good for the goose ain't always good for the gander. It's a battle you'll fight, and fight alone.

Dreams are like horses; they run wild on the earth. Catch one and ride it. Throw a leg over and ride it for all its worth.
Psalm 25:7
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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
Sometimes. And other times I think I dodged a disaster.

Though I should note I was a Tried And Denied.
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