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RE: What basics are needed for 1-2 days camping?
Electricity, phone chargers.
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The hotels at Yellowstone used to offer showers for $5.00. Not sure if they still do. These hotels are remarkably nice, 4 star quality
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RE: What basics are needed for 1-2 days camping?
In Madison you were annoyed by the homeless guys.

Soon they will be your tribe.

If the weather is nice, why not sleep under the stars?

For rain emergencies, you can get a waterproof breathable bivy sack for less than a tent, and you don't have to set it up and take it down all the time.

You don't really need a tent to store your gear because you aren't backpacking. You can keep everything in your car.

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There are many advantages to sleeping in a waterproof bivy sack over a tent. It is easy to find a place to put a bivy sack at night, since it only requires as much space as your sleeping bag and sleeping bag or quilt. Simply lay out your bivy sack, slip your sleeping pad inside, and stuff your sleeping bag on top of your pad. There are no guylines to set up or tent stakes to pound into the ground, making it ideal for sleeping out in the open on rock ledges or in dense forest. Being waterproof, you don’t have to lie on top of a ground sheet either, since the bottom of a waterproof bivy sack is designed to keep you dry.

Disadvantages of Bivy Sacks
Bivy sacks are much more confining then tents, with only enough space for you and a few small personal items. Your backpack and the rest of your gear will be fully exposed a night without any cover. Getting out and back in can also be challenging in rain, since you won’t have enough space to put on or take off rain gear when you need to get up to go to the bathroom at night.

Bivy sacks are also more prone to internal condensation than tent, even when manufactured with waterproof breathable materials. You’re best off keeping them open or unzipped at night to maximize air circulation and ventilation in order to keep your sleeping bag/quilt dry and condensation free. In very humid and tropical environments, you’ll probably be better off using a tent than relying on the breathability or ventilation of a bivy sack.

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Make sure to bring wet wipes and hand sanitizer
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(08-08-2019 11:22 PM)Luther Wrote:  Had to chime in about all the posts on hanging shower bags. Not needed or the most practical. All you need is a cheap garden watering can. Lift can up with one arm and dose yourself, lather, lift can up and rinse off. You get better volume of water/pressure than a shower bag and no stupid cheap shut off valve.
Take it from a guy who's currently living in a cabin in the bush with no plumbing, since may. And I promise my ass don't stink.
Definitely get the headlight though. I've worked many hrs in the dark with no other light source.

Do you have a solar set up? I use a small 12v compressor to pressurize a solar PVC pipe for showers. Its great, the water gets up to 35degress and we have enough water for 4 quick showers. A couple golf cart batteries tied into a cheap 100w panel to keep the batteries topped up!
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(08-08-2019 11:22 PM)Luther Wrote:  Take it from a guy who's currently living in a cabin in the bush with no plumbing, since may.

I'd like to hear more about this. Do you have a Youtube channel?

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No I don’t have a YouTube channel or anything like that. I just like to live out here from time to time. I’m working in the area, building another cabin in a resort town nearby for resale.
Its my parents cabin and it’s cool in its own right. They bought 160 acres of recreation property, mostly bush, and this was the original homestead log house. It’s about 100 years old. We tore it down log by log and moved it back into a meadow and rebuilt it. It’s a nice little log cabin it’s just off grid.
I have a solar panel wired to a marine deep cycle battery, 12 volt lighting, and propane fridge and stove. A wood stove for the chilly nights, I’m in central Canada, and a wood fired dry sauna. There’s a hand pump well for water and an outhouse to do my business.
I like to sauna and I’ll heat water on the sauna stove to shower off with after. Otherwise i just heat water on the kitchen stove stove to shower or wash, or just shower cold.
I don’t know how to post pics but I’d put up a few if you tell me.
That’s a neat idea for a pressurized hot shower Laner. I already have a 12V transfer pump I use to fill up my travel trailer.
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Controlled fire because insects just love flocking to light sources at night.

Mosquito repellent.
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For camping near national parks, I'd highly recommend using https://freecampsites.net as a resource.

It's a pretty good resource for finding free, dispersed camping locations available on public lands, if you don't want to pay the fees to use the established campgrounds inside the parks. A lot of the free sites even already have fire rings built.

I used it extensively on a road trip a couple months ago when I was camping around a few parks in Arizona and Utah. I even used it to find a free site inside Grand Canyon National Park (though technically the land is in the Kaibab National Forest).

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RE: What basics are needed for 1-2 days camping?
(08-09-2019 02:40 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 11:22 PM)Luther Wrote:  Take it from a guy who's currently living in a cabin in the bush with no plumbing, since may.

I'd like to hear more about this. Do you have a Youtube channel?

Since Luther doesn't have a Youtube channel, maybe you'll want to check out this other Canadian bushcraft guy:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIMXKin...q2UJePJEog
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I recommend a good air mattress or if you want to save money, foam pad. Thermarest makes the best ones I know of. The RidgeRest is what I used for 5 years in the military. Now as a civilian I use the NeoAir XTherm and sleep like a baby. My only complaint with the NeoAir XTherm is that there is a scrunching noise if you move around. A good tip with air mattresses is that you shouldn't blow into the valve, instead, use the supplied bag to pump air into the mattress so that you don't get the moisture in your breath inside the mattress.

Sleeping bags comes in either natural or synthetic materials. The gist of it is that natural down is warmer but doesn't keep you warm if it is wet and that synthetic will keep you warm when it's wet but will not keep you as warm as down. It comes down to warmth, weight and compress-ability.

I would recommend always using a liner with your bag because the natural oils in your skin will get into the materials of the bag and break it down. If you have a liner then you can just throw the liner into the wash after every trip. This will not only increase your sleeping bags lifespan but will also increase the warmth of the bag. If it gets too warm you can just open the bag.

Bivy bags are convenient because of how quick they are to set up. You can pre place your foam pad and sleeping bag inside the bivy bag and when you want to sleep you can just roll it out and when you're done, roll it back. Make sure to get a Gore-Tex one because its breathable yet waterproof.

A tent is nice if you're in an area with bugs. My tent is a 3 season tent and comes with an inner layer which is mesh and an outer layer which is a rain fly. You can use it during the summer to keep the bugs out and when it's pouring rain or snowing. As someone else said, make sure to use a foot print to protect the tent. Either the one that comes with your tent or if your tent doesn't come with one, you can buy Tyvek material in hardware stores and used that instead. A foot print will protect your tent from debris, sharp rocks, and moisture making your tent last longer.

An alternative to a tent would be a hammock or a poncho. All 4 shelter options, bivy, tent, hammock, poncho have their pros and cons.

Whenever I travel I also always carry a head lamp. I use the Petzl e+Lite. Extremely small and light plus it has a rape whistle incase you're in that situation.

For a pillow, I just use a stuff bag and fill it with clothes.

To cook, you can get those tiny canister stoves, the ones that go on top of your butane bottle. They're cheap but they don't work well in colder temperatures. Personally, I use the MSR Dragonfly because it works with a variety of fuel and at higher altitude, and it will last my lifetime.

In the first aid kit, you should divide it up into a booboo kit and a trauma kit. Booboo kit for small cuts, insect bites, headaches, etc. Trauma kit for more serious scenarios.

This website has good reviews on different pieces of gear: https://www.outdoorgearlab.com

I don't mind spending a little bit of money on my gear because if you take care of it, it will last a lifetime and vastly increases your comfort out in the bush. As a car camper though, the more serious gear isn't really needed so you can get away with the cheaper stuff. Stuff like an air mattress, headlamp or multitool are good to spend money on because you can use them in many different situations such as when travelling.

Speaking of multitools, those red Swiss army tools are complete crap in my opinion. A Leatherman or Gerber multitool will last you a lifetime and actually be useful in 100s of situations.

The more you spend on gear, the lighter, more durable and smaller it will pack down generally.

That being said, you don't need the gear if you know what you are doing and how to survive.

Always go over your gear before leaving for a trip. Know how to set up your tent in the dark, etc.
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Sleep in your car at a truck stop, Pilot/Flying J/Petro/TA/Love's (Petro has the best food, Iron Skillet). Leave on the ac all night and put a blindfold over your eyes They're safe and you can shower for $12.
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I'm late to this, and as an RV camper lately I like to stay at army corps parks. The cost is usually $25 maximum but that is for RV sites, if you pick a tent one it gets cheaper. Almost all of them have a shower house with flush toilets and running hot water which will cut down on extra stuff you need to buy for bathroom needs. A primitive site (no water or power) is usually $10 a night but you still get access to the showers and toilets.

http://www.recreation.gov is where you can reserve them online, just pull up to the campsite and check in at the gate.

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RE: What basics are needed for 1-2 days camping?
Get a metal water bottle that will keep your water cold.

If you are going for any length of time(weeks not just days), you need iodine drops, one drop of iodine for 8 oz of water from a stream will make it drinkable.

Or boil it.

The point about the backpacking stove is valid
https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/ca...king-stove

If you are going to be camping for many days you may want a shower as well.
Something like this.

https://www.amazon.com/Gallons-Portable-...way&sr=8-5

And yes, a shovel and toilet paper will be important. I went to Yellowstone a few years ago, there were plenty of public toilets, if you go way off the beaten path for days at a time though, you will want a shovel and toilet paper.

I must be forgetting a ton.

Sunscreen. Insect repellent. plenty of extra socks. You will need a tent for when it rains, unless you are going to stay relatively close to your car.

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Quickest way for Roosh to get sick of this road trip is to sleep on the ground for a couple of days. We should be trying to talk him out of it.

Camping gear can be very expensive and to do it comfortably, even more so.
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(08-10-2019 09:55 AM)RougeNoir Wrote:  Sleep in your car at a truck stop, Pilot/Flying J/Petro/TA/Love's (Petro has the best food, Iron Skillet). Leave on the ac all night and put a blindfold over your eyes They're safe and you can shower for $12.

Sounds awful, but a better suggestion than buying a bunch of gear to camp...
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Can’t you buy or rent an rv?
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(08-11-2019 05:10 PM)conspirator Wrote:  Can’t you buy or rent an rv?

That is extremely expensive, you're literally better off buying one cheap on a good deal after extensive research, then selling it in a year and getting your money back (plus some extra if you're lucky).

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An important consideration is where you are camping.

National Parks are high traffic areas, almost like Disneyland, so camping is limited to designated areas. There are nightly fees of around $25, but that comes with access to facilities. You can't just camp anywhere in a national park but are limited to designated campsites. Digging a hole to shit in is probably a federal offense.

In contrast, National Forests generally allow dispersed camping, but there are few if any facilities. Out west, Bureau of Land Management land is also an option.

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It seems the best option is to sleep in your car.
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Sleeping in a car is extremely uncomfortable unless you have a van with a bed in the back.
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(08-12-2019 03:31 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  Sleeping in a car is extremely uncomfortable unless you have a van with a bed in the back.

I think a tent is the dividing line between camping and being homeless.

Where I live they pretend being homeless is just camping inappropriately.

Anywhere they don't want homeless people, they have signs that say:

"No Camping"

Like it is just ill conceived recreation.

You might as well put up signs that say "No Lawn Bowling."

If you have a tent, you can read the "No Camping" signs and know they aren't directed at you.

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I go trout fishing a lot and trout streams are usually clean but if an animal is eaten and remains left to rot by the banks you need to filter for biologics - so I carry one of these very lightweight and basically a one micron manual gravity R.O. Filter that you can reverse flush with clean tap water back in civilization with the included flush pump...

This sawyer that I have is only $20
https://www.amazon.com/Sawyer-Products-S...00FA2RLX2/ Any body of water clean enoungh for trout becomes an unlimited water supply...

This one is for the Ocean - desalination filter - pricey but a life saver if near the Ocean - mandatory survival gear in any liferaft kit.
https://www.amazon.com/Katadyn-8013418-S...000F395X0/ They have electric pump units as well but need sealed batteries and solar chargers etc.

The sawyer meets most of my needs and I have a Zero Water ionic filter pitcher at home for coffee, tea and ice cubes with a TDS Meter - new filters read 000 total dissolved solids - you would be surprised at the TDS readings of most bottled "spring water"...

Lots of good camping/parks info and off grid living tips in this thread...

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Those Sawyers are great for backpacking.

Also some people swear by hammocks even though a hammock with a tarp and big screen weighs as much as a backpacking tent
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RE: What basics are needed for 1-2 days camping?
I highly recommend a swag over a tent. So much more comfortable and easy to setup/pack down. Literally unroll, connect the hoops and two pegs - done.

Unsure if you have them in the US or if you call them something else.

One of these things -

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They come with a basic 2-3 inch foam mattress inside. You can also leave your sleeping bag in it when rolling it up. I've had my best's night sleep ever in these - pitch black, warm when cold, cool when warm, stops wind, and will stay dry even in a heaviest downpour and you can stay cool with all the vents open on a hot night.

Even more spartan, in the Army, we just had a (good quality) sleeping bag on the ground and slept looking up at the stars. In the rain or in Winter, we erected a sheet of plastic we called a 'hoochie' with a simple cord (don't ask me why the name) - like this. It just keeps rain and dew off your face.

These ex-military sleeping bags from surplus stores are a bargain here.

Also, +1 for the thermarest from me Smile

The swag is much nicer though.

I don't think you need cookers or much else really.

Lots of interesting 'van life' and 'stealth sleeper van' channels on YouTube if you're doing this longer term. If you buy right you might be able to sell and not lose anything.
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